Don’t Worry Darling | 30

Show Notes:

Pop Culture Makes Me Jealous and To All the Men I've Tolerated Before team up to bring you Still Comfy? a show that examines pop culture properties and whether or not Julia Washington and Natalie Katona are still comfy with them. 

In this episode, the pair is joined by Mario Mello to discuss Olivia Wilde's Don't Worry Darling which was released September 23, 2022

This episode originally aired September 26th, 2022.

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Transcript:

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Julia: Our special guest is Mario Mellow, and I will let him introduce himself, but I need y'all to know that he is a pop culture. Makes me jealous. Alum. 

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Mario: Thank you guys. I'm Mario from movies with Mr. Mario, where I do movie reviews and send out all the up and upcoming news regarding movies, celebrities, and all that entertainment stuff.

Mario: So thank 

Natalie: you for having me here. We're excited you're 

Julia: here for Mario. We are gathered here today to discuss Olivia Wilds. Don't worry, darling. Which released Friday, September 22nd, 

Mario: 23rd. Well, Thursday the 20 

Natalie: camp. 

Julia: Oh, Thursday, Friday, September 23rd. Yes. Starring Harry Styles. Mm-hmm. and Florence Pew with some visitations from Chris Pine, Gemma Chan.

Julia: Nick Kroll. I don't know why anybody isn't talking about what Nick Kro being in this movie and mm-hmm. Other people, 

Natalie: Olivia 

Mario: Wild 

Julia: herself, Olivia Wild herself is Bunny, which I loved. Secondly, my first question is,

Julia: at which point did you know that Gemma Chan was gonna save the day? 

Natalie: I, No. I'm confused by that. So I am too. 

Mario: Really? I had a 

Natalie: lot of Que didn't, I had a lot of questions. They didn't give us enough context about Gemma. I need a, a whole prequel about 

Julia: Gemma at dinner. She went hard for her husband. I was like, Oh, she's gonna do something to him.

Julia: Yeah. And she's gonna be Why Flow gets out . 

Mario: So we need to reward everybody. There's lots of 

Julia: spoilers right now. Oh, thank you Mario. I made spoilers in the caption. This is not a spoiler free. This is a not a spoiler free show. Pop culture makes me jealous. We do spoilers. So that is the vibe we're bringing tonight.

Julia: Thank you Mario, for reminding me. He's been on the show. 

Mario: Watch know. If you haven't watched it, come back and watch the replay. 

Natalie: Right. I, I told the whole internet that I was spoiling the fuck out of this movie because I would not be contained. We 

Julia: will not be contained. Damnit. Okay. So Ill not be So, okay.

Julia: First new question. Tell me what you thought about the movie, because could critics hate it? Wait, are we going back to those 

Natalie: critics Are men ? No, 

Julia: I read. Oh no, actually the female critic I read from The New York Times wasn't a critic anymore, and she said that her 14 year old daughter loved it 

Natalie: somewhat.

Natalie: Women are misogynist and disguise. Um, so I had two leaving thoughts, um, on my list for Don't worry, Darlene. Mm-hmm. . The first one was, have you ever watched a movie where it affirmed everything that you knew you knew in your gut, and then built an entire brand and a podcast out of? And then my second thought was when my sister asked me how the movie was, I said, This will be a movie that men will tell us is bad for years to come, because it will make them very, very fragile to watch it.

Julia: Mario, what were your thoughts? 

Mario: Um, when I first walk, when I walked out, I was like, Dang, what did I just watch? ? It's one of those ones, it's like, did that really happen? ? And then at driving home, I, you know, you know, I, uh, decompress and think about it as I drive home. And by the time I go home I was like, Dang.

Mario: I really enjoyed it a lot. Yeah, a lot. Um, overall, I, I loved it. 

Natalie: That soundtrack slapped the sound, 

Julia: the opening song. You cannot go wrong with Ray Charles. You can't ever go 

Natalie: wrong. 

Julia: My God. If you wanna set the stage for a mid-century film, He is the guy to do it. Mm-hmm. , you've got Palm Spring vibes in this fucking victory town, whatever the hell it's called.

Julia: You've got all this beautiful mid-century architecture. You've got cars from the forties, the fifties, the sixties. I was like, What is this? Golden heaven? It's gonna be hell. 

Natalie: It's gonna be, 

Mario: Of course. It was too perfect. It 

Julia: was too perfect. Who says goodbye to their husband in just a button down white t-shirt.

Julia: A brand 

Natalie: lost woman. Yeah. I have to, I have a lot to say about the way that Alice was clearly reprogrammed for the victory per object compared to the way the other wives were reprogrammed for the victory project. 

Julia: Yeah. You know, it got me thinking because, I mean, obviously we're gonna talk about this outta order, but when you kind of realize, um, that, you know, program like.

Julia: When you get the confirmation that programming is happening mm-hmm. and who Alice was prior to. Right. And then it made me wonder what were the other women like before? Because with Alice you get the vibe that she is the smartest one in the group out of all those women. Mm-hmm. 

Natalie: not, Go ahead. What was, what was the um, the first lady's name that jumped off the roof?

Natalie: Megan. Margaret Mar. Margaret. Margaret. I knew it was an m um, because she found out about it first. So I was like, well maybe she was a rocket science. And isn't it 

Julia: always black women always with who? Shed the light on the trash that's happening first. Mm-hmm. . I was like, Of course. Of course. Cuz y'all, none of y'all are gonna listen to a black woman.

Julia: Of course. She's right.

Mario: Mm. I took it as the horror movie where the black person always dies first. Right. Yeah. And so I was like, Oh 

Natalie: yeah, Cause it was a horror movie. I love psychological thrillers. Like fuck me up with a psychological 

Julia: thriller. Yeah. Yeah. I grew up on psychological thrillers, so I think I What I was telling Natalie Mario, after I saw it on Saturday, I was like, I, it's so like when people gasped at certain parts of the film, I had these moments of like, how did you not know that was coming?

Julia: Have you never seen a psychological thriller before? I'm pretty sure the answer's yes. . I'm truly 

Natalie: like, I really think that it is a genre that's fallen by the wayside because it hasn't been very popular since, like, remember when we had that entire year where every book was called. Woman on a train. Gone Woman.

Natalie: Yeah. Gone girl. Woman in distress. Yeah. . 

Julia: Also, we just wanna remind everybody if you are watching live, because we are using a third party, we can't see your co, we don't know you're here unless you comment. So go ahead and give us some comments in there. Tell us us. 

Natalie: If you're things watching the replay, I would like to know what do you think the moral of this movie was supposed to be?

Natalie: What was Olivia Wild trying to teach us? I have two , 

Mario: so I gotta say I kindness saw the incoming, but I didn't see the whole Indian coming. Okay. I was, I was still pretty shocked what it actually was. Yeah, I know. I did figure out, I mean, I figured there was some. Brainwashing, like Stepford wives, It was a totally Stepford Wises movie.

Mario: Or it 

Natalie: was like the village where they were in. Yes, that's what I was thinking it was. Or in a bellum it hadn't an a bellum vibe. Yeah. Yes. 

Mario: So it's like they're secretly, you know, put in there. Mm-hmm. picking the 50. But then, so then when we see her as a surgeon, I was like, okay, I was right. Uh, but then to see that she's still there in bed, And this VR setup, and you're like Clockwork, orange type vibe right there.

Mario: And I'm just like, Oh man, I did not see that coming. And then mm-hmm. . 

Natalie: So 

Julia: I, I did see it coming. So the first flash we get from her and she's like, What the shit was that? I was like, Okay, we're not in reality, something's going on. There's, and then everything that, you know, they created the eye shape all the time.

Julia: And it was multiple times like, okay, so then it has something to do with the. So I, so then I'm like, Okay, but don't figure it out Julian, cuz you wanna enjoy the movie . And now, 

Natalie: and now that I'm thinking about it, like every time they had eye imagery it was like slowly rotating. I'm like, Yes. Like the buffer symbol.

Natalie: Yes. . Mm-hmm. . And we like the buffer 

Julia: symbol and that's the images that they're seeing in the tent that they're in, which I thought was really smart that, you know, she's having those flashes. It was like, good, That was a good touch I thought. Mm-hmm. . Um, and then when there was another point too where I was like, Oh, this is, oh shoot, now I can't remember where my other thought.

Julia: But 

Natalie: yeah, 

Julia: I think it's, I think it's, I think it was a really well done 

Natalie: movie. It wa it was really well done, I 

Julia: think irritated that the critics are like dragging it so hard. 

Natalie: I think people are haters and I think that. People don't like the moral of this story, which is, and I quote, let me get out my notes, , Hey, kids, husbands are dangerous

Natalie: Even the ones that look like Harry Styles . And then when they said, I'll do anything to make you happy, it means I'll do anything to make me feel less inadequate. Men

Mario: I mean, if you look back though at the other, like the other step wives like the Nicole Kidman one and then the one way back when they didn't get good, they didn't get good reviews either. No. Gets that whole storyline. Yeah, I totally agree 

Natalie: with you. Do not like movies where women are honest. in an art form about their own oppression.

Natalie: Mm-hmm. actually. Especially when white women do it. 

Julia: Yeah. The New York Times had a really good article about that, and I'm going to share it in the comments for people to read if they want to, but the author basically says that, you know, I'm pretty sure it's the New York Times, um, that, you know, Olivia Wild is basically getting into this, um, what is it called?

Julia: Shoot, it's a really long article. Um, M A U D I T is what it's called. Mm-hmm. . Um, I wanna say it's mod and I'm just assuming cuz I've never heard it. I've only seen it written. Um, but basically what it means is that it's movies rendered marginal by disrepute and a lot of female led films, Director. Female movies directed by women tend to fall, get this label and this author's arguing it's unfairly getting this label.

Julia: Of course, of course. Because even people hated Book Smart and she comments on, you know, I, a lot of the reviews I read were like, Book Smartt was so much better and Olivia Wild, and what is she doing? And I was like, Y'all hated it. Yeah. Like nobody ever hat her smart When it first first came out for me and my kid, we left the, the theater.

Julia: Like that was the greatest movie we've seen all year, . 

Natalie: And now that I've seen the movie, I do really understand why Florence Pew was so pissed off that all anyone could talk about was Harry Styles was gonna go down on her. Yeah. She's like, There's a lot to this movie. Yeah. It's gonna be a lot. And it's not just gonna be Harry banging me backwards on a table, like, 

Julia: and every review I read today, Pulled in the drama.

Julia: Mm-hmm. , they, every single one referenced the drama that was surrounding the film and it, and there, which I think moves them away from what the film is actually about. 

Natalie: So there have been allegations that the drama was fabricated so that the movie would have a great opening weekend, which honestly, white men do that all the time.

Julia: They did have a great opening weekend. They were number one. 

Natalie: Yeah. People pay people to go to their movies. People buy enough books to where their book ends up on the New York, uh, best sellers list. Like everything is a scam. People, I can't help it, that you're not in on the game. Um, so I felt really sad that we're still at a place in our society where Olivia Wild couldn't feel comfortable making.

Natalie: Kind of cut, cutting edge, not Marvel movie, um, with no VAM hires or to Thor or anything and have to like rely on, let's start some petty rumors so people come you down Harry and Harry's like, Yeah, I'll pretend to spit on Chris. Yeah. Yeah. But I think Chris and Flow weren't down and that's why they removed themselves from the 

Julia: drama

Julia: Well, you know, when you think about Chris Pine's, um, body of work too, like he doesn't really play into the paparazzi. And if they do find him, he's very much like, Here's the books I just bought, support, support writers. Right? Like, he's not, he's not like some of these other celebs who are like, Eating it up and I don't know.

Julia: It's interesting, Mario, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the movie structure and everything, because you do have a lot of movie. You, I mean, you and Alee both are more, I've moved away from horror films because I can't do, like, when they get gory, I can't hang, but like this kind of psychological thriller I can do all day, every day.

Julia: But also my knowledge base on films like this are from like 50 years ago. Cuz that's what I grew up on with my folks. So anything modern, like hated the Village. I had it figured out like that and it was so irritated that everybody thought it was brilliant. Same with, well Sixth Sense was pretty good. But anyway, go ahead.

Mario: Um, I, yes, I think it was a very good, like I said, I, I kind of saw it coming, I think because I've seen so many movies. Mm-hmm. , I saw most of it coming, but I think that's why I enjoyed it so much, because I still was surprised. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , Um, A lot of people in my audience did gasp a lot. They're like, And then just to see like Harry styles as kind of the bad guy.

Mario: That's right. Like on the outside world. Mm-hmm. , like even more than he was in the inside. Like the virtual world I think got people, um, 

Natalie: and like a mediocre, bad guy at that. Like what was his greatest flaw? His greatest fault flaw was that he was insecure. 

Mario: Yeah, he couldn't keep a 

Natalie: job. He couldn't keep a wife and he couldn't keep a job.

Natalie: So 

Mario: it was funny because during the, his like little monologue at the end where he was like telling her like why he did this and stuff. Like, and he was supposed to be like this big old monologue for him. Yeah. Like everyone in the audience was laughing about it. Like they were just like, Oh my gosh. Like they can't take him seriously.

Mario: Like, oh my gosh. The big, It was more funny cuz I was just like, Okay, , 

Natalie: oh well the gas lighting, the quintessential gas lighting moment where it's like, I did it for you. I did it because you weren't dancing anymore. And then I reprogrammed you to be distracted by your entire environment if I gave you an orgasm.

Natalie: Okay. And that was for you? It was for you?

Mario: but yeah, I don't know. I mean, I, I think it. I, I, I've seen several male reviewers on like Twitter and stuff that actually did praise it. And they said, you know, don't believe the majority of the critics. So, I mean, I, I do think there are, um, men out there that see both sides. Um, so I don't think, not everyone is misogynistic.

Mario: I felt, No, don't get me wrong, there's still tons and we still have a lot of work to do, but at least out of the reviews I was reading, I did see several men. Defending the movie especially, especially like, you know, supporting Florence Pew and mm-hmm. , just saying like, I'm glad she stayed at all the drama and stuff like that.

Mario: Like her, 

Julia: she's better performance is flawless. Well, I was like, give this girl her Oscar, Why didn't they release this in December so it'd be fresh on everyone's mind. So she'd get nominated for an Academy Award for best actress because her performance was so good. 

Natalie: Yeah. Down to her pinky toe. Yes. And then like I, I read a petty review where someone was like, Well, Florence's performance came off manic.

Natalie: And like over the top in co comparison to others, I was like, You could have rewritten that entire whole sentence to go. Harry Styles couldn't act and therefore it was really jarring to watch Florence be a pro. 

Julia: Yeah. You know, and it was hard sometimes with some scenes with Harry because he did sound a little bit like he was reading off a script.

Julia: Bless his heart. Um, . And I think the only scene that he did do, I thought he delivered well, which makes me sad for your audience, Mario, because the scene that I thought he did deliver Well, when was when he was like, I did this all first year. I know. I was like, Finally, You figured it out. You figured out where the acting chops are.

Julia: Good job son, . 

Natalie: Well, and honestly, I don't think Harry's character was actually supposed to be at any point of the movie, the center focus of the story. Like you could have swapped him out with anyone. Right. And anyone could have done the part and anyone could have played the bumbling husband, 

Julia: who I agree.

Julia: I'm also gonna add, I do think you need a very, Attractive bordering on Pretty Man. Like I can't see Shila buff in this film just because I think he has a weaker jawline. You know, like he's not a bad looking dude. But the polished mid-century sixties, man, I don't see that look on him. However, 

Natalie: I will say we need to go outside of the Florence Pu of the Alice and Harry Style's home and look at the other husbands besides Chris Pine, because I was like, of course Nick Kroll couldn't pull Olivia Wild unless it.

Natalie: The Sims and then like, there was a, and oh my gosh. Did you guys watch, um, Big Love on HBO when it was popular? Oh my God. Mm-hmm. . So the really skinny kid who has the the newest 

Julia: couple. Yeah. Violet and yeah, the male 

Natalie: of that couple. He was the oldest son in Big Love and he was just as dorky and lanky and like cringy as that kid who was like, I really thought I'd get to talk to Kyle today.

Natalie: And I was like, Ooh, he hasn't grown at all. Good for him. So I almost thought that like, because when they went to like basement hair styles where he was like greasy and listening to an Andrew Tate podcast, I was like, Oh, . It could have been Hil above because Hil above is creepy. 

Julia: Yeah. Like he could do the outside world version.

Natalie: Yeah. And then they clean him up for the simulation. Yeah. Cause that was very part of it too. 

Julia: Yeah. But I still can't see it. I still can't see it because again, I'm going back to the jawline. Like I don't think Hil Lauff has the strong like, you know, Disney Prince Jawline that the character of, what's his name?

Julia: Harry Styles, character's name, I don't know. What is it? Jack. Jack, thank you. Yeah. Even though Jack is like a super basic character, super, you know, all these things, like he's still, there's still something about Jack and Alice being the most beautiful couple next to Chris Pine and Gemma. . And I think that's, I call me superficial, but I think that's actually a really important nuance for the film.

Julia: Mm. Because Olivia Wild's gorgeous. Right. But also she's married to Nick Kroll, and then you have the gal from a league of their own. Mm-hmm. , like, who's even her husband? I don't even remember. It's an, it's a completely forgettable man. Yeah. Like which one? The pregnant lady? 

Mario: Yeah. She was the, she had the, um, Indian guy.

Mario: Yeah. Was, which is, which is funny because he's also in Wanda Vision who's also stuck in a virtual reality world, which is kind funny. That is funny. 

Julia: You're being typecast, . Yeah. 

Natalie: I, um, Can we talk about like how Chris Pine started his whole. Through a podcast like he was Joe Rogan. I was like, Harry, it's 3:00 AM He's clicking another episode.

Natalie: He is like, Yeah, Joe, tell him. Tell him what the downfall of America was. It was that they could get abortions and jobs. Mm-hmm. like Andrew on TikTok, he's another asshole who women are always like, Why does this guy have a microphone? ? 

Julia: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know the guy that plays the doctor? Oh yeah. 

Natalie: Is 

Mario: Oh uh, Timothy Sim 

Natalie: Sim.

Natalie: He's one of my favorite character actors. Cause he's on heve. Yeah. 

Julia: He's the dorky guy. So when he walks in, I was like, This guy's gonna be a creep. I've never seen this guy be anything but a creeper. Whether it's a dorky creeper or a 

Natalie: predatory creeper. . Yeah. Or like how shocking was it to be a woman living in 2022 and watching like Chris Pine and Harry Styles lead a room full of men being like, This is our world.

Natalie: Whose world our world? I'm like, Did you after that, 

Julia: After that whole dance song and like when he forces Harry to come up on stage and like Dan, like a monkey. Yeah, Dan monkey, like you might as well been shooting guns at his feet to make him dance. And then just how, like I thought Harry again, I thought he did a really good job because he delivers performances better when there's no lines for him.

Julia: I thought he did a really good job of like having panic in his eyes, Uhhuh, while still like, I gotta do what I gotta do. This is part of the game. This is part of the game. And like his face was so. Perfectly acted in that scene because you feel his panic, but you also feel like, I gotta keep it up cuz I don't wanna lose it.

Julia: And like 

Natalie: at that point I was like, oh, he's fully committed to whatever this is. It's signed, sealed, and delivered and whatever flow has to say is gonna be a lie so he can get a pay raise or you know, he gets to suck Chris Pine's dick on Fridays or whatever the perks were. Cause they had to, the men had to go back out in the real world.

Natalie: Right. And like to work, to work in a factory that Chris Pine like work at. Like where did they go? . You know, that's, I don't, I'm 

Mario: not Yeah. Had to 

Julia: work nine to five somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. That part wasn't fully clear on where they went to do. And you know, the other part that I thought was really interesting, the pregnant lady whose character name I forgot, which is not fair.

Julia: She was very gossipy about, she was Bobby, all the things. And it's like, you know, that the husband's telling her this, or at least to me, it felt like the husband's telling her this to sort of throw her off the trail. Mm-hmm. of like, what's actually happening. Um, and then this leads me to the question of when did you guys know that Olivia Wild was in on it, , or not in on it, but knew that it wasn't, like, knew the truth, that she was 

Natalie: signed, fully signed, sealed, delivered.

Natalie: I think it was the bathroom scene where she gets so hurt by Florence pew. Okay. For wanting to know the truth. 

Julia: Yeah. Yeah. Was that for you too, Mario? It 

Mario: it, yeah. I knew she knew something. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , I didn't, but then like I knew she knew it, like, but I figured she was probably a bad guy too. Like in on it.

Mario: Yeah. But then, but then just to realize that her story is she just lost her kids, so she likes it. Yeah. And so for her it was more of a, a tragic, and she chose to be there, so that did surprise me at that part. But yeah, I did know she 

Natalie: knew something because it wasn't like angry at flow. She wasn't trying to redirect her or Gaslight or whatever.

Natalie: She was literally just like, I've just lost my only friend in this fucking simulation. Yeah. Because she's gonna figure 

Julia: it out. Yeah. For me, it was when they were at the pool and the pregnant girl was like, my husband said, and this, that, and the other thing, and she's looking around and she's. Basically gives her the shut the fuck up face.

Julia: Mm-hmm. . I was like, girls in on it, . We don't know how yet, but she knows the truth. so well then I 

Mario: think she really, I think she really cared about Alice as a person too, because I think it was just her trying to protect her because she even said like, you know, they're gonna kill you. Like, 

Julia: Yeah. Like, you have to get out.

Natalie: You have to 

Mario: get out to her. It was not just shut the F up because you're, I'm losing my friend, but I'm protecting you 

Natalie: too, 

Julia: because, Well, but like in the, Yeah, like the whole time. I think that's what she's doing generally for all of the women. She's like being mindful of like, Don't, cuz they will, because what did she say?

Julia: Like, if a man dies in here, he dies in real life, but they will come and find 

Natalie: you. Yeah. They'll dip your body. 

Julia: Mm-hmm. . And she's so vulnerable. Like all the women, you're in such a vulnerable state with the way they have this setup, which, Oh my god. Cause you're 

Natalie: basically, because I think also Harry was like in charge of like IV her fluids and like keeping her lotioned up and supple and all of 

Julia: it.

Julia: Yeah. Yeah, I don't like having my eyes open, so Yeah, you definitely have to, No, I mean like during the day, but like forced open, right? Like, like when people are like, Oh you should get LASIK for your vision one, I can't. Cause I have as stigmatism and two, you have to sit there with your eyes wide open. You have while they do it.

Julia: Like, I'm 

Natalie: good, I'm good. You have to hear it. You have to smell it. It's a whole sensory 

Julia: overload. You would have to dope me up so hard to make this happen. 

Mario: Don't watch final Destination four then. 

Natalie: No, I watch 

Julia: the first final destination. I'm good. Like I will never do a final destination. Natalie knows what I'm talking about.

I 

Natalie: love the final destination franchise. Oh my God. No, I'm cool. I'm cool. My vibe . So can we talk about, so like Olivia Wild was in it for a tragic reason. Yeah. Like this was part of her grief cycle and who even like I couldn't even tell if like, So is this something her husband's just doing? Because like what do you do when your wife isn't 

Julia: anything want?

Julia: Well, it made me think, it made me think, are they even really a married couple? Right. Like, Like maybe 

Natalie: snatch her It's a simulation. Yeah. Because one of the questions that runs through when a, when we're figuring out that that's what's going on is who is your preferred wife? And then they go embody, snatch them and put them in a tent.

Natalie: So I was like, Well, could I pay like extra money? And my wife is nab dormer, like, what's going on?

Natalie: Is there like a pay plan or is like, Well, I would really like it if my husband, if my wife enjoyed having sex with me again. So I guess her like, oh my gosh. 

Mario: Oh, 

Natalie: But then the Gemma Chan of it all where it's like, what was in this for Gemma Chan? Because that's what confuses me when she stab. Chris Pine through the gut.

Natalie: I'm like, Cool girl, you're sick of being his doll. But she whispers to, I'm like, It's my turn now. Well, what the fuck does that mean, Gemma? Are you just taking over the Sims factory? Like what's 

Julia: happening? I think it's supposed to be open like that. I think that's the point because then, you know, not that I'm saying there needs to be a sequel cuz sequels are too much.

Julia: But I think because we don't get a ton of backstory on her and we don't know where she is. But you can feel that she's trapped too. Mm-hmm. like she has to play the perfect wife. She does the long stare of being exasperated so well. That when she like took that knife and did the deed, I was like, That's my girl.

Julia: You're fucking done. I don't know what, I don't know what's gonna happen to you. I don't know if you're gonna be also as evil as Chris Pine, but at this moment you basically called off the guard. Good her. Maybe you'll go free too. I don't know. But you did it girl. Good for her. Good for 

Natalie: her . Because if you think about it, if it wasn't for the whole, like I was just reprogrammed to be some morons fantasy.

Natalie: Mm-hmm. , it's not a bad deal. Like if it was just like a woman only commune and it was like we have pretty dresses and we get to sit by the pool and like we always have bacon like now,

Natalie: and we killed Chris Pine, so we're just gonna live our best like, Line dress life and we're gonna shop forward life, 

Mario: but then he's gonna take care of you when you're lying there cause the man had take care of you that to keep you alive. That's, 

Natalie: that's 

Julia: right. Mm-hmm. , it's a complicated system, but I do appreciate to how you sort of see flows progression into reality.

Julia: Going back into reality. Like the first time we meet her, they're so happy and unlove and she's wearing the white button down and she's like the sexy little kitten 

Natalie: housewife. Um, and she does baby talk all the time. 

Julia: And then, and then, you know, the first blip, the next day she's like in her beautiful house thingy or whatever.

Julia: And then the next, and then as she's slowly declining, it's becoming less and less polished. Mm-hmm. and less and less desirable. But you know, Harry's do, He's in whatever world he's in, cuz apparently he's in more than one world. And you know, he's just kind of living his life and figuring it out and, and then when she does get, you know, electro shocked back into it and she's back in her like, I'm a sexy kitten.

Julia: Look at how pretty I am. And you're just like, Oh girl, you can't fight against electroshock therapy. Like, there's no fighting against that. Like that is a thing that will fuck you.

Natalie: But yeah, the baby talk got me when she was, when like her plate falls off her head or something and she's like, Not even fail because I knew how good job and she distracted me. I 

Mario: was like, she, she did that in little limit too though. Do you remember? Yes. You do that. So I don't know if it's just, I don't know, part 

Julia: of her process.

Natalie: Lauren P was the only person who can make me feel anything for Amy March. So good for her. . 

Julia: I mean also true. And it helps that they sort of restructured Amy A. Little bit too in the newest version because you know that speech she gives to Laurie does not exist in the book. Mm-hmm. and would never exists.

Julia: But I agree with Greta Wick's decision to add it because I feel like it was implied in Louise from Louise Ma Alcott. Um, can we also talk about like Chris BeIN's character. It's not just a creep, he's a mega creep. Mm-hmm. . Because like he walks in on Harry and flow and just is like, Yeah, I'm watching . And you're just like, Oh my God.

Julia: Yeah. I was 

Natalie: like, Oh, this is a cold. And part of getting into Chris's pines like cold is that he gets to fuck your wife. Like it's that situation. 

Julia: Oh, it's just made me so uncomfortable. Plus there was like an old dude, one seat over. There wasn't anybody in between us. And I'm just like, I'm not comfortable with how many people, No, over 65 or in this movie theater with some of these scenes happening.

Julia: Well, but that was sitting this close to me. If it was a packed house, I wouldn't care. Right. Cuz it's whatever. But it's not a packed house. There's 20 people in here. So 

Natalie: that was my first inclination though, that the sex was actually part of the gas lighting, the simulation, and her reprogramming. Mm.

Natalie: Because you can see it on her face where she's like, I should be feeling something about this or I should be like telling you about watching. Yeah, about Harry getting off me. Like she says nothing. She's just making frightened eye contact with Chris. Fine. She's not alerting her husband that they've been caught or anything, and I'm like, Oh, that's how he gets her 

Julia: back into it.

Julia: Yeah. You know what? I just realized we didn't do a summary of the movie for anybody who hasn't seen it yet. So let me just do that really quickly. And friends, uh, if you listen to pop culture makes me jealous. You know, that I love to pull him from Google because Google sometimes says things and you're like, What?

Julia: In the 1950s, Alice and Jack live in a, in the idealized community of victory, an experimental company town that houses the men who work on a top secret project while the husband's toil away, the wives get to enjoy. The beauty, luxury, and debauchery of their seemingly perfect paradise. However, when cracks in her idyllic life begin to appear exposing flashes of something sinister, lurking below the surface, Alice can't help but question exactly what she's doing in victory three.

Julia: See, and I got a sixties vibe, not a fifties vibe. Yeah. But I don't, That matters. 

Natalie: I think it was also kind of a mash up of both of the decades. 

Julia: Mm-hmm. . And it's interesting how the frame is, your life is perfect woman because you get to be in this idyllic setting. You get to be, you get to go shopping, you get to go swimming, and I have to go work in this gross, disgusting thing.

Julia: But like, as we were talking about over the weekend, Natalie and I were talking about over the weekend, you know, there's. That level of stay at home life. Fitness isn't a privilege for everybody, right? Like women who think that like life was better when you were a stay at home wife who did take care of all the things and you, it was so much easier and better.

Julia: That's not the truth for everybody. Like my people in the fifties and later were mates raising their children, someone else's children, you know? So it's kind of like, whose perfect world is this? Because all I see is a bunch of intelligent women sort of withering away, um, not allowed to have any potential or minds of their own.

Julia: Or like with the pregnant gal, they're like, Oh, she's always pregnant. Remember how that's the one that's always pregnant? Like, that sounds awful. . 

Natalie: Yeah, always. And I think. That guy must have had a pregnancy fetish, which like, no shame, but I was like, okay, so if Olivia Wilds children are fake and they're the only children who we've seen, How do have No, were the 

Julia: baby.

Julia: Oh yeah. They were fake. 

Natalie: Or maybe Gemma Chan's kids were those creepy kids. They 

Mario: were the creepy kids. That was 

Julia: their kid. Yeah. It was Gem and Chan kids were the creepy ones that were serving. Yeah. The ones that were serving the twins and it, They were dressed. What the, like is it the Twins from The Shining?

Julia: Yeah, that's what they reminded me of. 

Natalie: Yeah. Tweedle the, And 

Mario: play with us, 

Natalie: Danny. 

Julia: Oh, it's frozen. Just a moment. Here we go. Here we go.

Julia: Are we back? Yeah, we're back For that brief moment. We had a 

Natalie: frozen moment, but, yeah. Well, and I think what's so timely about this movie coming out this weekend is last week was the week that to, um, chose to get me onto the side of TikTok where women are glorifying the fifties and sixties and being like, I don't know why women wanna work.

Natalie: And I don't know why. Like, everyone thinks that this is better. Like equality is better, isn't now, We have to sit in an office, but also now the younger women don't wanna work. And this I was like, Oh, we really are just like, we just going right back Yeah. To the aprons. 

Julia: Yeah, my grand Zach , both of my grandmothers made it very clear.

Julia: One worked as a made and one did odd jobs as a secretary or whatever else, or whoever, whatever, whoever would hire a black woman that day. Um, and made it very clear to me, You need to have your own money. Yeah. 

Natalie: 100 para cent. You can't get divorced without money. You can't wake up and look at that man and be like, He's not.

Natalie: Without knowing that you're gonna have to like pay a lawyer and like also support yourself after probably years out of the workforce and all of it. 

Julia: I, I still feel like it should be more expensive to get a marriage license. To get a, than to get a divorce. Correct. Because if it's more expensive to get it.

Julia: Not a wedding. Cuz weddings are expensive, period. Throwing a party is just a big deal. But like the license itself should not be $37. Like anybody can scrap together $37. I think they might even be cheaper in Vegas, like, anyway back. 

Natalie: But I think so I think that was what Harry Styles was starting to spiral about, where he was like, well if she's the one working, if she's the one that's bringing him money, then I have like no purpose in my home and I'm clearly not cleaning anything because I'm just listening to Joe Rogan all day long.

Natalie: I can't even wash my own 

Julia: hair. So I also kind of took it as, you know, he's so convicted in his belief that he wants to make his wife's life easier because he's so convinced that she feels her life is hard. Yeah. And you know, working 30 hour shifts, which should not be allowed even in the medical profession.

Julia: Like I understand some surgeries take a really long time, but there really has to be a standard of care for our medical staff too, I would think. Um, but you know, to me it kind of read like, he's like, I'm trying to, you know, and he screams that at her, You get to be here in this perfect world. Well, I have to go back out there so we can pay for it.

Julia: And she, and you know, she's just her whole like, vibe of like, I can't believe you think that this is what I wanted. . Mm-hmm. , like clearly you didn't talk to your wife about it, you know? Right. If you don't choose the medical profession, To become a surgeon unless you have a passion for it. Like that's not a thing that someone's just like, you know, I think I wanna become a doctor and then spends the next 12 years and then decides, you know what?

Julia: I just wasted 12 years of my life. At some point through medical school, you're going to realize, I don't know, when you're cutting in on a cadaver that it's not for you. And I understand some people leave after 15 years or 10 years or whatever, but like weeding out school weeds out pretty much people who aren't into it.

Natalie: Yeah. That's the beauty of student teaching. Mm-hmm. makes all of the people who don't have the gut for it have 

Julia: the gut for it. I sure don't have the gut to be a doctor. Are you kidding me? Um, . 

Natalie: But I think, I think what's also fascinating about psychological thrillers, and I felt the same way about. The best blockbuster of the summer body's, bodies, bodies is that we're always like, Oh my gosh, how is, like, how is someone outside of our, of our, of our universe or like the aliens or like the, you know, someone's gonna press a button and like, that's what's gonna end the world.

Natalie: And it's like we don't need the aliens to do it. Like, or like God to decide that he's gonna mite us and flood us one more time. Like we're doing a really great job of doing it. Like we're ending our own world. We're even going backwards to do it. Like if we are currently living in a simulation and have been since 2012, it's because men won the war against women.

Natalie: That's what's happened. Yeah. Did you guys 

Julia: have a favorite character in the. 

Natalie: Florence p I was gonna 

Mario: say Florence pew, Like there's no question. Yeah. Yeah. She, But I did, I did really like Bunny, 

Natalie: so Yeah. I thought Olivia Wild did a really great job. Yeah. Especially, go ahead. Especially considering what we heard about her, like shirking her directing, um, duties and like being a terror on set and fighting with flow and 

Julia: all of it.

Julia: I was like, all the, Didn't the crew come out and say like, That never happened. Exactly. 

Natalie: The crew was like, No, stop. . 

Julia: Yeah. I'm like, Can you stop with your lives? The kids that played the, her kids in the movie, or at least the daughter, anyway, that was her daughter, was it? 

Natalie: Mm-hmm. . That's it. Aw, that's cute.

Natalie: Mm-hmm. Thanks Jason for letting that happen. Signing whatever paper you had to sign and then have delivered to set Standup guy, Jason Sudokus, Ted lasso himself. 

Julia: I love Ted Lasso. I loved so hard. 

Natalie: I, Here's my other Hot Take. I can love Harry Styles despite the fact that he's a bad actor. You don't have to be good at all the things.

Julia: Yeah. You know, I kind of got this vibe like, you know, cuz there's always one from the boy brand who breaks out and can do it all right? Like Justin Timberlake is the only one I can think of from that era. 

Natalie: Nicholas, She tried to act for a while, but it ended up on reality 

Julia: tv. Yeah. That's not, I mean, I'm, I'm lumping that particular era in one

Julia: Oh, you're just 

Natalie: doing Justin. I don't think Justin does a very good job in movies. Like, I don't think he's, I think he does in the right 

Julia: role. He does. He's ha Yeah, he's done movies that where he's performed really well cuz he is in the right role. Um, but like, and I think har I think everyone thought that Harry would be the next boy band breakout cuz he did such a great job in his solo career and is doing a great job in his solo career.

Julia: And it's just like all the press for my policeman, which I was a movie, I was very, I am still very excited to see because I love the actor in it. Um, he was in the Last Kingdom. And, and then Aaron Corbin. Aaron Corman, e m Emma Corbin. Diana in the Crown anyway. So some of the cast, I was just like, Oh, I love these people.

Julia: I'm so excited and I love looking at Harry. Okay. And then when he was talking about how the movies about wasted time and I was like, Did we watch the same trailer? Cause I got that this movie was about a man who doesn't understand his sexuality and it's the mid-century. So now there's a lot of heartache and maybe Was of Time is a theme, but I didn't feel like wasted time came through.

Julia: Maybe he meant in the trailer, 

Natalie: maybe he meant like romantic waste of time. I don't know. He doesn't seem very bright. 

Julia: And then when he said about this, I love this movie. Feels 

Natalie: like a movie. And then Chris Pine withered away into Dust . 

Mario: It was, I was reading some um, like blogs and stuff and they said that Harry did really bad interviews during the.

Mario: Bennett Film Festival. So that's why he, You haven't seen him on like, talk shows promoting the movie because Yeah. Nobody wants to interview him because they're like, Yeah, he's horrible. 

Natalie: You know what, if he's not bright, that's fine tune. Like, you don't have to be good at all of the things for Naline to love you.

Natalie: Like do your little songs, Wear your glittery outfits. Make out with Nia Twain. I love that video 

Julia: so hard for Coachella Lane. 

Mario: I think he's, I think he would do better as like a supported role. Yeah, lead role. Cause he was in Dun and he had some lines and he, he was fine in that. Like 

Natalie: he was fine. He needs 

Julia: a five line.

Julia: He was in it. I'll have to watch it. Um, I didn't realize he was in it. Why didn't they talk about that more? I think they 

Mario: did. They did Because it was this, I think that was his first starring role. I don't watch war, but he was support. . Oh, interesting. I just watch it cuz it's Christopher 

Natalie: Nolan. 

Julia: I mean, I don't, I have a hard time with more war ish type movies.

Julia: Right. But that's a whole other conversation. . Um, apparently I can't function unless it's a rom calm you guys. Apparently not. 

Natalie: This, um, this hour and a half is brought to you by me needing to know if Chris Pine is in fact, okay. Like, are you fine? Chris . I realized that they made you do a lot of bullshit for this movie.

Natalie: I realized that they made you babysit Harry the entire time and I know that the Dungeons and Dragons movie is making you babysit Hugh Grant the entire time. God. 

Julia: So I just, Chris and his babysitting British men phase of career. You can 

Natalie: reach out Chris Pine if you're not fine. However, I do love this evolution of Chris Pine only wearing silk pajamas 

Julia: everywhere.

Julia: Oh his um, grandma, his grandma Beat Chic or whatever it's called. Yes. Yeah. He is dressing 

Natalie: like all of our great aunts who had a roommate for their entire life. Yeah, yeah. And 

Julia: I love it. Yeah. I still think he's adorable. Great Aunt 

Natalie: Chic. I would hang out with Chris Pine any day of the week, like I have dreams where I'm going to the like Dungeons and Dragons, Premier Uhhuh, and it's just like me, Hugh and Chris just like shooting the shit.

Natalie: Hugh Grant making his little BDSM jokes and me being like, What do you know about an old man? And then Chris Pine, like, just remember 

Julia: I'm trying up with, with a prostitute. And when he was dating Liz Curley, that's where it probably started . 

Natalie: Just as for that sex worker, she how then that Hugh Grant was cheating on was her name.

Natalie: What was her name? I don't remember. I don't remember. Was you still don't know her 

Julia: name. I'm sure if we Googled it, it'll kind of 

Natalie: restin rest in memory. That woman, that UJA Hugh Grant, paid for a 

Julia: blow job. Yeah, I feel like, I 

Natalie: feel like we blow blow jobs way out of proportion. Like, I don't know. I don't care about Hugh.

Natalie: Or our 

Julia: president got a job, just the, or Clinton cares, um, Don care. But I mean, I feel like for how often the paparazzi captures Chris Pine coming out of a bookstore, I feel like he and I need to go to the bookstore together. 

Natalie: Chris reads, he didn't wanna hear Harry call a movie. A movie, Right. He's like a.

Julia: And it read like deep shit. Cause you know, when I'm just Google Chris Pine Pop, you know, because he's holding up the spines and you're just like, Oh, I see what you're reading. Chris and I, I think that you are an intelligent man. Thank you. He literally like the look 

Natalie: that he gave after Harry Sells went, It's a movie that feels like a movie cuz it's a movie.

Natalie: I was like, oh, my grandma Peg used to make that face at me right before she'd. Threaten to backhand me . Cause I was being such a dumb ass. And then it, I was like, that's Chris Pine's. Like, oh, you think you're real damn cute 

Julia: look, don't you? 

Natalie: Yeah, Yeah. Like, he's embarrassed. He's disappointed. Yeah. He's gonna make you pay for that 

later.

Julia: Mm-hmm. . Mario, I want your, I wanna know your opinion about the cinematography, cuz I know you pay attention to that stuff. Not that I don't, but you pay attention more than I do. I was gonna say, it's 

Mario: so beautiful. It is a beautiful movie. The, the housing and just the, like the pool, like the shopping center.

Mario: Even like the mountains. Just like the mountain. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. Display and stuff that, that whole car chasing at the end was just beautifully shot. Like. Yes. You just go in and you go out and you just like, oh my 

Natalie: gosh. Yeah. Her in that it was on her own. That was a good thing too. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. Um, now 

Julia: do you, we know where they shot the film.

Julia: No, I can 

Mario: figure that out though. 

Julia: Cause I feel like the intentions is for it to feel like Palm Springs like that. Cuz the Palm Springs was like the playground to, I mean it still kind of is a playground to celebs, but not in the way it was in Lucy Lucie Balls Day. It was Palm Springs. They come in Palm Springs.

Julia: I'm proud of myself for figuring that out 

Mario: Springs. Yeah. And LA most, 

Julia: Yeah. Um, 

Natalie: one of the dings that Olivia is getting is that she spent too much time on her atmosphere and not enough time on her character development and story. And I'm like, Oh, interest. I was like, everybody hates it. When we take a moment to take in the landscape and to get to know the like fucking area that we're in.

Julia: I feel like that's a character in the film. and it needed to ha and I don't feel like it was more fleshed out than the char than the human characters in the film. Like you fully under, at least I did fully understood, you know, Bunny and her husband's role in the world. You know, the pregnant lady and her husband.

Julia: Like you get it. Like you, you could drop in on any given day and fully understand the dynamic, fully understand who these people are, who's gonna gossip about what, like, I, I mean, and maybe cuz I lived in a, a version of that world with like mom world with kids for a while. I don't know. I'm not gonna assume that's why I fully got it.

Julia: Cause I feel like it was full. I feel like it was fleshed out really, really well. Honestly, 

Natalie: I went in. To the movie thinking that Alice and Jack were gonna be the new couple in town. Mm-hmm. . So when it opened it up and they were clearly like well established and Jack's on his way to a promotion and all 

Julia: that.

Julia: Yeah. What are your thoughts, Mario? 

Mario: I was just, I was, I was really thinking So that did, that did give you a question like what was the promotion like, What did he have to do to get that promotion in life? Because Nick Crawl already had it cuz it was the ring. Yeah. Cause Nick Crawl already was in that promotion and the other two guys, the other husbands were like, Vine for too.

Mario: Like, Oh, I hope he picks 

Natalie: me. I wonder if it's like, Jack, I wonder if it's like a recruitment process for the Victory Project. 

Julia: Oh, it's just a, it's a pyramid scheme. Not only, not only is it Sims, but it's Sims. But with a pyramid scheme, like, here's your MLM. And Im story. And 

Natalie: that's why they 

Julia: have to leave.

Julia: Cause they're recruiting people. Cause they're 

Natalie: recruiting other sad, lonely men. 

Julia: Hmm. I mean, again, I mean in an Olivia Wild's case it was, she's the one who was like, Honey, let's do this. Or at least that's what I assumed when she said that she lost her kids. Yeah. But it's so mostly the men. Hmm. It's just really like refreshing.

Julia: And I told Natalie this on Saturday. To see a movie that's not trying too hard to be smart. It's just smart. And it makes me like, like how it's just, it bums me out that everybody hates it. . Cause it's not trying too hard at all. Well, it's a very, it's not a simple plot, but you, I, you follow along, you kind of figure out what's going on.

Julia: I didn't think that because I figured out what was going on, that didn't ruin it for me. It kept me engaged to see if I was fucking right . 

Natalie: Well, and you know what? It made me remember it, it made me remember all of the period pieces, television shows that were about women that ABC or another American television company tried to do.

Natalie: And they got one season and we're done like mm-hmm. . I love the Christina Ricci one about the airline. Um, Oh, I forgot about that show. Pan. I loved Pan. Oh yeah, Pan. I also, the one about like where they threw all of the astronauts into the same neighborhood and it was all about how the wives had to maintain.

Natalie: Was it space Wives? It might have been, Or, or 

Julia: astronauts. Wives, wives, astro wives, something like that. Yeah. Space wives. Space wise. Yeah. I like my title 

Natalie: better. And they literally had to just like keep up, up appearance because like, what if your husband didn't get to go to space because your hair didn't look great?

Natalie: Like mm-hmm. or the one that took place in the sun. 

Julia: I, you know, they would've told me 55, 60 years ago that I need to fix my hair. Look at, I mean, nowadays I can wear my natural hair, but that was not a thing that you had to, even curly hair girls who were white, it was not a thing. And then 

Natalie: like, uh, the one in the seventies about the women who were running the feminist magazine, it got like eight episodes and then they canceled it.

Natalie: And then I think Hulu or Netflix were supposed to pick it up. And then they did 

Julia: it about the seven. You're not talking about Good Girls Revol, are you? Yeah, that one. They were working at a magazine that was supposed to be like Time Magazine, but it wasn't Time Magazine, 

Natalie: but it was the sixties or the seventies.

Natalie: Yeah. And then, And Gloria Steinem was a character in that show, wasn't you? Or like someone that they were always talking about 

Julia: Nora Efron or Nora was a character. Meryl Streep's daughter played her and then she leaves to go to the Post. Who actually is willing to print women Cuz no magazine will print women at that time.

Julia: Yeah. Which is true. Like Nora Efron literally left to go to a, a print publication that would, was willing to publish her. It's 

Natalie: literally all of these stories where it's like, well this is how women were choosing to do what they needed to do during the times of their own oppression. Where like everyone's like, We don't wanna watch that.

Natalie: Wants to watch women talking about like how we won't pay them enough money.

Natalie: Who wants to talk, who wants to listen to women? Talk about how, like, how they should have body autonomy. Like what do you mean that I hair styles don't own your body and can't program it to be my living sex pot, little sex doll. 

Julia: Yeah. I wonder too if somebody else had, um, because even the screenwriter, uh, ju just, uh, I can see.

Julia: Shoot. 

Natalie: Well, you know, so I, 

Julia: Katie Silverman, you know, she took, she wrote the script, but it's based off of something else written by two guys I believe. As I was reading in one of my reviews that I looked up today and like even the screenwriters getting, you know, people are kind of giving her flack for not writing a very well developed script.

Julia: And I thought, wow, that's very interesting. And I wonder, cuz you know, we talk about this on over on pop culture a couple times, a few times, whenever it is relevant, you know, in the hands of a male director and a female writer. Stories are very, very different when you have a female writer or a female director, or a male director and a male writer.

Julia: But it's a female-centric story, like the outcome is always different. And I wonder what would've happened and what would be the conversation if Olivia Wild was Oliver Wild and you know, Would she be, he be getting criticized like this? Well, I mean, dating the star of the movie 10 years, her, his senior, his junior like, hello.

Julia: Like that just been happening in Hollywood all the time with, with male directors. Like look at Brad Pitt just came out dating, What's her face like? That was confirmed today or something like that. Oh no, no, they're not dating. They're just talking and not dating yet. They're, she's like 14. Yeah. And she's like, I don't know.

Julia: Younger than everybody on this call. And he's old enough to, you know, be my father. Well, 

Natalie: and let's think about all of the movies that were run by men who, that like, literally it, like they're just like a garbled nothing of a story. And then we applaud them for years to come. Like fucking forest. Like, what the fuck is Forest 

Julia: Gump about?

Julia: Well, don't come at Forest. I like that movie. Wait, 

Natalie: but do you like that movie or were we conditioned to be like, This 

Julia: is a great movie? No, I do actually like that movie, . 

Natalie: It's a weird 

Julia: ass movie. I think that's the point. Um, there are other, 

Natalie: there are other movies where I end up watching them and I'm like, Fight.

Natalie: Every man wants to build his entire life around fucking Fight Club. And I'm like, 

Julia: I just, I, I, but I see, I like Chuck P, who's the author of Fight Club. So like that's a hard one for me too. Um, well then 

Natalie: you come up with one. 

Julia: I'll back you up. No, I'm gonna switch topics. I'm gonna ask, I wanna ask, what gossip around this movie did you get into the most?

Julia: Chris 

Natalie: Pine hating Harry Styles. That's all I wanted. I wanted petty, petty memes of Chris Pine looking like he wanted to pass away. Like I didn't give a fuck that. Olivia Wild was fucking Harry Styles number one. I thought we were all well 

Julia: aware of that. Yeah, I thought we knew 

Natalie: that. I was like, why are people surprised that she's fucking hair styles?

Natalie: I feel like I've known that for five 

Julia: years. Well, cuz they start, they met, they started dating because they met on set. Right. Mm-hmm. , when did, when did they actually film this movie? Last year sometime. Was it last year? 

Natalie: Or like Florence Pew? Like not wanting to work with sh above. I was like, that's valid. No one should wanna work with sh above, No one wants to watch sh Above have sex with 

Julia: Florence Pew.

Julia: They wrapped on February 13th, 2021. Okay. So yeah. 

Mario: So yeah. So that would've been like, 

Julia: So if they had 2020 through 2021. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz it says, it says the uh, filming was halted temporary temporarily for two weeks on November 4th after a crew tested positive for Covid 19 close on shoot. Yeah. So that makes sense.

Julia: That tracks then because all of 2021 is when we were hearing about like speculation about Harry, because Doo as you both know, I love to follow like she was on that story. Big time. Like she's like, They're totally dating. Here's photo proof and no one else is talking about it. And then all of a sudden, you know, the print mags are printing it online.

Julia: Harry and Olivia dating, and I'm like, Old news 

Natalie: already knew. I'm confused by everyone's confusion that you would, number one, be on a covid set where you can only speak to the people that you were on set with because of testing and covid 

Julia: and all of it. The stars had to quarantine Pew Styles and Pine all had to be quarantined.

Julia: When that, and 

Natalie: be surprised, then it just doesn't become a fuck fest because there's nothing else to do. , 

Julia: especially if you're in Palm Springs, like, I mean, that's the Palm Springs has a. Going for it. But it's also the desert. It's the desert. And if they're filming, okay, so if they're filming in this winter, that's actually the best time to be in Palm Springs.

Julia: Um, but still, you know, if the end of 2021 was everything open in California? I'm trying to remember when did the state fully reopen Mario, do you remember? It was 

Mario: like, Probably right before summer hit, like things started 

Julia: opening up. Yeah. Cause I feel like some places were still, Oh my god, you guys, they were filming in Palm Springs when I was in Palm Springs.

Julia: I just put that together. 

Natalie: Did you see them like I saw David Dekaney and returned to me? 

Julia: No, but I wish now I had known they filming when I was there. Cause then I would've dragged those people I was with to help to find, When I 

Natalie: was a kid, I was at the Lincoln Park Zoo. The day that they were filming returned to me in the Gorilla House.

Natalie: Haha. I still did

Natalie: But I really do think that like when we all like collectively clutch our pearls because someone like fucked someone else on a movie. I was like, Y'all never been in an office before? People fuck at work . Yeah. You spend a lot of time at work and you have hormones and you have like ons and all of it. And people fuck 

Julia: at work

Julia: Well, and then too when you're doing something like being on set or in a play is like summer camp. You're only doing it for so much time and it's a different vibe and you don't get it unless you've been there kind of thing. Like when I came back from this summer art program, I met this guy from this small town and I was like, Oh, one of the gals on my floor when I went to this program is from there.

Julia: And he's like, Oh yeah, I know who she is. Um, so you went there too? And I was like, Yeah. And he is like, Oh, is was it amazing? As she talks about and I. Yeah. Is he So you gross because you know when you, because when you come back from this program, that's literally all you can talk about. It was the, it's an intensive art program for creatives.

Julia: It's for high school kids. It's so amazing. I mean, it's been 20 years since I've been, and I still think about it and I still think about how life changing it was and eyeopening it was for me. I hate, we 

Natalie: demonize excitement. Like what's that is deal get on. 

Julia: But, but also, like, I'm not, I'm. Validating his anger or saying it was right.

Julia: I'm just saying like as a person who's been on the other side of the coin where I'm like, I ha I'm not a part of something, and that you are so adamant about like it some, now that I've had experiences where I've been like, Oh, this is a magical thing that I can't recreate. And I realize too that I'm chasing that still.

Julia: Like I want that the magic, like I love having groups of people where we have a shared experience that no one else is a part of and that's what art school was. And that's what sets are. If you have a good set and that's what a play, you know, a stage play is if you have a good crew and a good cast and you know, people who aren't involved don't get it.

Julia: And I think that's what's hard. And see, it's the same with musicians, People in bands, like if you're not there, you don't. Get it because you are isolated. You are working with people 12 hours a day. You are sort of creating these bonds that are centered around something that you're very passionate about.

Julia: So it's not, I don't know. See, I'm, And it's not a thing where it's like, I'm gonna be working here for 20 years, because you could be in the business for 20 years, but you have different teammates every six months. 

Natalie: No, I'm, I'm still on team. That guy is gross. Because here's the thing, I can make a trip to Target magical.

Natalie: Maybe I'll make a PowerPoint and sell it for $200 a download about how to make the mundane magical so that when someone gets to go to the Dungeons and Dragons premiere, you're not some salty, little petty bitch who's like, I've never even seen a movie before, let alone go, go to a movie her mirror. How dare you be excited about your exciting thing that you paid money for and worked at

Julia: Like, Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, it's, it's, it was a four week long end program. I don't remember, but you know, you're gone for a long time. So there's growth that happens that people don't always understand. And that's what, that was what was hard for me coming back is like, I just had this really awesome experience where I was around literally hundreds of other types of artists.

Julia: And then to come back to Modesto and be like, I mean, we sat on Grassy Noles and like wrote and draw while the musicians played, while the filmmakers were making movies. And like it was, Oh, I st I I, I just wish that was my whole life all the time. , 

Natalie: I mean, you can come and visit Cox Aum. It's two minutes of the hill.

Natalie: It's got ducks, it's got koi fish, it's got giant dinosaur turtles. It's always got some lady doing yoga, someone doing a photo art at exhibit, like, just like taking wildlife photos. Someone's always got an acoustic guitar and someone's always having an adorable picnic. It's. Literally the perfect metro park.

Julia: That's cute, That's cute. But I mean like, but you, you know, you're like becoming friends with filmmakers, future filmmakers and you know, doing all these things. And then you live in the dorms together and you eat your meals together and then you go to the cafe to listen to whatever band is playing. And then if you're 18 like I am, you're walking across the street to the store to buy everybody's cigarettes cuz no one's old enough but you

Julia: Wow. I didn't do that. I 

Natalie: hope that was like, I like romantically linked to that girl cuz I hope she dumped him and if she didn't, she needs to 

Julia: call me. I don't know. I don't know. It was 20 years ago. I am not 

Natalie: sure we know, don't have sex with men who don't appreciate our 

Julia: joy. Yeah, I don't know. It was just, it was a random, it was totally random how I met him because I'd never met anybody else from that tiny town before.

Julia: Um, and we were at a punk show, so we 

Natalie: don't, we don't buy birthday cards for bitches who don't enjoy our joy and we don't fuck men who don't enjoy our joy. And that's the moral of the movie . Um, but yeah, I mean, what was your favorite rumor, Mario? I get confused when people are like, What do you mean people have sex?

Natalie: Give me some simine Petty any day against a rampant sexual desire 

Julia: for Harry Styles . 

Mario: My fear was when. Florence p and Olivia Wild had a screen match. Oh yeah. . I was like, Dang, that'd be, be fun to watch. 

Natalie: Number one. It took me right back to like Joan Crawford and Who was she? 

Julia: Famous? What's her name? Yeah, who 

Natalie: is she famously always in a feud with?

Natalie: They just did like, it was a show too. Yeah. They just, they just did a 

Julia: show on it. They called it Tone and Betty. Betty, Was it Betty Davis? 

Natalie: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, like, just like the fact, well, number one, the movie takes place in a time where women really had to feel like, um, they were in competition to one another and then, Mirrored the fact that we kept penning Olivia and flow against one another and we're like, You're just making Olivia's point.

Natalie: Yeah, 

Julia: that's, And I, you know what? That could totally be, you know, part of the, if it was all planted gossip that's, you know, part of the plan. I do think it would be interesting to see, only because they're like a foot apart, you know? You know when people who are like abnormally hided from each other are fighting.

Julia: Mm-hmm. , you're just like, How I, what? Taller, Why are you fighting 

Mario: window? Because she has all that stunt training 

Natalie: from crabby 

Julia: Black Widow. Yeah, 

Mario: true. She's like, I take you and just destroy you. But I feel like Olivia would fight dirty. She would fight dirty or something. Yeah, she'd ring out one of those brass knuckles 

Natalie: and just like scrappy.

Julia: Olivia Wild. And I have the same birthday, so yes, I will. I will concur. I will agree with you. I feel like she would fight dirty cuz I would fight dirty if I needed to. . 

Natalie: No, you're not gonna put the, We don't fuck people who don't enjoy our joy either. It's just the 

Julia: birthday card. It's the birthday card card.

Julia: I feel like you missed 

Natalie: the 

Julia: most important part of the lesson. Yeah. Well, sorry. 

Mario: I did, I did. I thought that another juicy one was when, um, Olivia was saying that he Hil got fired. Yeah. Like he didn't he quit? He quit. Yeah. And then, And then that video popped up of her like trying to convince him come back.

Mario: Yeah. 

Julia: Like I was like, Girl, you're just send that video to Variety. He was 

Mario: like, I got receipts. And I'm just like, Girl, you're just digging yourself a 

Natalie: right here. The only time, the only time I've ever wanted to talk to Hil above is to like figure out like, Let me see your phone. Yeah, yeah. Let me see your phone.

Natalie: Like, 

Julia: don't be weird about it. Just like, don't timestamp. Yeah. Like 

Natalie: don't be weird about it. Like, No, I don't want you to show me your phone. I want it in my hand and I wanna scroll through it. Don't be weird about it. . 

Julia: Yeah. Yeah. Just let me see your phone. I won't 

Natalie: tell anybody, but I would like to know. I won't tell anybody, but I would like to know.

Natalie: Well, and then I thought he was, I thought he 

Julia: was booted out of Hollywood. Like when did, when was he gracefully received 

Natalie: back? I think when he played his abusive, um, father in Honey Boo Boo or whatever that movie was. It wasn't Honey Boo Boo. It was like, Honey child . Like what? 

Julia: How about I have no knowledge of 

Natalie: what you're talking about.

Natalie: I haven't watched that movie yet, but I am obsessed that like number one child above told his abusive father, 

Julia: Honey 

Natalie: Boy, Honey boy, that he was going to do this movie. And his father said, Oh, who's gonna play me? And then Hil above went, Don't worry, it's gonna be Brad Pitt or so like someone else.

Natalie: Ridiculous. And then Hil above. So meta that he played his own abusive father. Abusing a tinier child of 

Julia: Love . Yeah, 

Natalie: it's crazy, crazy. It has big Jeanette McCarty 

Julia: energy to it, that book. Oh my God. And so I think then people are like, Oh, you know, it went into the second printing within like a month. Yeah.

Julia: That's unheard of. 

Natalie: So I think people were like, Oh, ch, come on you, You serious? You better than that kid from suburbia. Come on. And so they welcomed him Mac and then like, I like how he tried to blame flow for like Hil above not being in this movie. Like it was gonna make Gerberg the movie, where it was like, well, I too would be kind of freaked out if I had to work with Hil above.

Natalie: You don't always know how 

Julia: he is. Is he a, is he, is he a method actor? I believe so. Yeah. Working with a method actor in a film that's got emotional abuse in it. Yeah. I can't even imagine it being method is a rare form anymore anyway. I get it. Because it is easier to go into your character and stay there while you're doing the whole day, um, or week or months or whatever you choose to, however you choose to interpret that.

Julia: Because it is hard to go in and out. Like it's not hard, like it's a hard thing to do. It's just emotionally taxing on you when you are playing a shitty character to go constantly in and out between takes. I, 

Natalie: um, I would also like love for the mystery to be solved for me on whether or not flow complained because I like the vibe that I'm getting.

Natalie: Is that like Hil above showed up to set? and that like Florence pew wasn't like warm, but she wasn't like 

Julia: cold and then fresh. So I mean, it's not like they're the most welcoming of people. They conquered the world and then shy went, 

Natalie: You hate me. And then Flo like tried two or three times and be like, I don't hate you.

Natalie: I just have like shit going on. We don't have to hang out. Yeah. It's also a pandemic. And he was like, You hate me. And then he had some like tantrum and then quit . Mm-hmm. . I don't even think she complained about him. Mm. I don't even think that they were filming for her to complain 

Julia: about it. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I got the impression that they hadn't started filming yet when he was replaced.

Julia: Um, but I don't know. Okay. Final question of the night. What's your comfort level with this movie? 

Mario: Oh, that's the final question of the night 

Natalie: question. Wait. Okay. Go ahead Mario. Sorry. 

Mario: Because. In the beginning, this was gonna be such a, an award winning movie. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. with like NAMS for everything.

Mario: Mm-hmm. , do you think there's still awards chances at all for this film? No. I think they've fucked that. Or do you think it's gonna be like, because of all the drama, because of Yeah, the critical response. It's like, we're never gonna hear 

Natalie: about this movie again. I think once they rolled in the circus tent that they really fucked it, because now I think what it did was it put into people's mind like this was a movie that they had to start a circus about to be a shit show and therefore the movie is a shit show.

Natalie: So all people are going to be doing is talking about what a big shit show this was for all of that drama to happen. 

Julia: Well, and you know, when you read the reviews, they always, they're all citing the dr some, some facet of the drama around it. What I think is kind of a shame is that they decided to release the film in September rather than in December.

Julia: So that way you, because you know a lot of the films that get released between December 21st and Decem, you know, cuz the last day to enter for the Academy Awards, you have to, uh, run for so many days and you have to be, um, in theaters in LA and New York by November, December 25th, right? Mm-hmm. , I think is what, how it works and.

Julia: It's a shame that they didn't do it at Christmas, because then you're more in the forefront when it comes to like, okay, now we're gonna start nominating. Whereas in September, everything that's like September forward mostly gets forgotten. Um, so regardless of the drama, I feel like it has the potential to, it had the potential to get forgotten regardless of drama around it.

Julia: I don't think the drama, um, is gonna help. Like the year that, um, Get out, get out, got nominated, right. For Best screenplay. Mm-hmm. , when that got nominated, I was like, Yo, that movie dropped in February. Like, who the fuck remembered? Like, good job. Because movies in February don't get recognized. You don't drop the Blockbuster award winning films in February.

Julia: You don't really do that. That's not a thing. January through like. May, because Memorial Day weekends is when you start sort of seeing the bigger films that maybe a contender maybe, but are still forgotten about. And it's, you know, Thanksgiving weekend through the end of, through Christmas days when you see everything that's getting released that they really think is gonna be a contender.

Julia: And I, and I, I think it's a shame that the studio didn't drop it in that window rather than in September. Because Florence, again, I go back to Florence Pew's performance is so flawless. It is a lesson in how to perform. And she, if she and she, the chances of her getting overlooked are greater now. Yeah, I think, 

Natalie: I think it's really unfortunate that they had to roll out the circus tent, but I also think it's unfortunate that they're getting so much fire for rolling out a circus tent where we've seen circus tents before and we've ignored them.

Julia: Yeah. What do you think, Mario? 

Mario: Um, I was really thinking about this too, cuz I was like, Dang, I, like you said, or role was flawless and it was like, Oh, she deserves the best actress. And um, I see. Possibly Golden Globes. Oh yeah. So they're, since they're bringing Golden Globes back mm-hmm. and Golden Globes tend to.

Mario: You know, share the love with movies that people don't remember, or Right. Movies that weren't good. I mean, we, they always refer back to the, why was the tourist rated for, you know, running for best picture when it was like the worst movie of the year. Right. Um, so I'm hoping that the Golden Globes will shine some light on the film, like whether it's just Florence's Pew, I hope.

Mario: And I feel like if they do, they, it might bring some attention to the Oscars. Right. I don't, I don't see her getting it. Um, I think the, I think the competition this year is just too, it's 

Julia: too tough. 

Mario: It's too tough. And because of all the drama behind it, I feel like it did hurt her chances. Mm-hmm. , but I see it, I see a couple noms for Golden Globes.

Mario: That is my prediction. 

Natalie: Well, Golden Globes does a nice job of ignoring whether, cause like the Oscars, it's like these same six films will be Best Picture Kns and Best Score. Kns and best actor Knm. Yeah. So Golden Globes is more of. a family reunion, grab that buffet. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. where it's like, Oh, don't worry.

Natalie: Darlene may have been an okay movie, but Florence Pew did a really good job, so let's at least recognize her. Yeah. And it's fine for them to just nominate her for that one thing. Mm-hmm. . 

Julia: Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? Screen actor guild's really good at two because it is only about performances and actors rather than everything else.

Julia: Mm-hmm. , I would like to see the costume designer nominated because I think she did a really great job. I think there's a lot of symbolism in the costumes that, you know, we didn't talk about tonight, but that's okay. We can do it another day. Um, and I think that the set designer did a fantastic job. Of creating a world that feels idyllic and like it haunting and haunting, same time.

Julia: And, but at the same time, I feel like Lucie Ball is gonna show up with Desi armed at any minute, because that's what celebrities did. They ran off to Palm Springs or Palm Desert to get away from Hollywood. Right? So to create that po that feel for like, this is where we recoup so we can have another version of our life.

Julia: Like, holy shit, give that person a nomination for something. Well, 

Natalie: It's also one of the rare psychological thrillers where I myself wasn't tense or stressed throughout the movie. And I think that was also intentional. Mm-hmm. , because it's like, why would you be stressed? You were with us in paradise. Yeah.

Natalie: So you're not really stressed until she's hitting him on the head and you're like, Oh, flow, we done 

Julia: it. Right. Right. So it, I think it will be sad if it doesn't get any recognition, um, at all. You know, obviously, like Olivia Wild's gonna get ignored for director nods because that's just how she does works with women and directors in Hollywood.

Julia: But I would, you know, it'd be nice to see, like, like you say, Mario, a cold and or even a screen actor skilled. 

Mario: Yep. Yeah. Okay. 

Julia: So back to your question. Okay. Did you get all your questions? Worry? I did, I did. I didn't mean to ignore you. No, you're good. Okay. Now back to our final question of the night. How, what is your comfort level with this?

Natalie: I feel like, don't worry, Darlene made me comfortable in a very uncomfortable way because again, it served a lot of affirmation for what I think about the world at large anyways and where women are currently in our culture and society and the value that we hold and whether or not it's actually gotten better.

Natalie: Mm mm-hmm. . And so it's uncomfortable to sit in a movie and go, Huh, I fully believe that at any moment some petty rich man could body snatch me and put me in a simulation if he wanted that much control over me. Like, but it's also comforting to know that I'm right and I'm on top of the game and that you can't play me cuz I already know your game.

Natalie: But it also, like Olivia Wilds or not Olivia, Gemma Hans character makes me uncomfortable because she's one of those women who links herself with powerful men to be like, And this is how I will leach my power. And Olivia Wild is allowed to ignore the suffering of other women, so she herself can be comfortable.

Natalie: And these are very much real things that happen. So it was a very affirming movie for me. Like I loved fist pumping. I was like, Oh, I fucking knew it. This is how they see us. I want to march . 

Julia: So there, yeah, I loved it. Yeah. Everyone's wrong in a hater. , what about you, Mario? 

Mario: Um, I'm comfortable. With the uncomfortability.

Mario: Mm-hmm. , I guess. Uh, cuz I mean, I, it's, it's a till as old as time really. Um, it's just very modern and we see it all the time. And even as a man, I see it mm-hmm. , so it's just like, it's like some of these guys you're like, Do better please. Yeah. Like, but. Andrew, I'm one of the minority. I'm one of the minority for like 

Natalie: Joe Rogan looking at you

Mario: Yeah. But I did enjoy the movie a lot. A lot more than I thought I would. I've just, like I said, I, I'm sad that all the behind the scenes drama mm-hmm. , you know, kind of overshadow this film cuz I think a lot more people would've loved it. Yeah. They didn't know all the drama. 

Julia: Yeah. Yeah. Like that writer from before that I mentioned from the New York Times, she, her daughter knew nothing about any of the drama.

Julia: Walked into it blind and walked out going, I love this film. It 

Natalie: was a movie that I wanted to see from the very first time a trailer dropped 

Julia: on it. Yeah. Same. Um, I also feel very comfortable with this film for so many reasons, and I feel like, you know, they did a really good job. I walked out like Natalie, I walked out thinking, Oh my God, I'm so glad I'm not the only person on the planet that sees it.

Julia: Like, this is so validating. It's just like in our Thumb and Louise episode Yeah. In the setting that we still have to, like, these things are still relevant today and we haven't made much progress. But at the same time, you know, a movie like this wouldn't have been able to be made 30 years ago. And so that's a form of progress, if you will.

Julia: Um, and I loved it. , I 

Natalie: have a follow up, comfy question. Okay. How comfy are we with living and knowing that there is a possibility that the drama was staged? Because for me, I'm. Roll the dice on that. Like if you knew that your movie was on the fence and it was like it might pull a crowd, it might not, it's actually probably gonna piss off a lot of people.

Natalie: Roll the dice with your hairstyles drama and see you can get girls in your theater. Just be like, He may spit on Chris. Fine. 

Mario: I don't know if it was, I I really don't think it was fabricated. I think it may have been exaggerated. Yeah. A little more than I, but I feel like there was tension there. I felt like people didn't like each other at certain points or people were tired of their It will make, because I mean cuz I mean you see Chris Pine Florence, you didn't do any press for it, right?

Mario: Like 

Natalie: Yeah, he's media a person. No. But even 

Julia: though you're still ask for his stuff, like he's never wanted to shy away from the junket. 

Natalie: No. 

Mario: Or at least in my so would see that. And even, we even seen like them at the Venice Film Festival where they kind of were just like civil, but they weren't like, Like compared to other films where everyone was like hugging each 

Natalie: other, the bullet 

Julia: train pass, Oh my God.

Julia: We could not keep those guys off each other. 

Mario: But it was just like, eh, 

Natalie: Like, Well, I also have to wonder like how much we have to chalk up a sets dynamic to being a covid heavy set dynamic. So it's like, how well are you allowed to get to know yourselves? Or how easy is it to snipe with one another? If you're quarantining 

Julia: together.

Julia: Well, and I, but I think that, you know, goes back to a lot of other things too. Like Mario was saying, some of the cast from other films that debuted at Venice and Toronto and what have you, they don't have a chemistry problem. No. You know, you see them on stage and they're like, they're reuniting on the red carpet, like it's their long lost brother that they've missed forever.

Julia: I'm also on the fence on whether or not the drama was staged because again, I go back to, you know, my obsession with Duma and some of the stuff that she posts and some of the stuff that the other gossip brag post. And then, you know, with Duma at least she comes back and says, You guys, I don't vet any of this information, so whatever you share with me and I share it out, take it with a grain of salt.

Julia: But the following. That the gossip brags have, people aren't taking it with a grain of salt. They're taking what the is being posted and running with it, and it just, we live in the age where everything becomes wildfire because everybody has a computer and a camera in their hand. Well, 

Natalie: and. The unfortunate thing is whether or not they liked one another.

Natalie: The movie got made and the movie was a good movie. Yeah. So I think we also have to let go of this expectation that like everyone should be making out with one another. And that's how we support one another. They supported one another by showing up and doing their job. Right. So I will be sad if Olivia Wild in Florence, pew, like literally are women who can't be in the room with other, um, with each other, talented women.

Natalie: Mm-hmm. because it's like, I don't get that vibe from Florence because she was in the like, little woman reboot. 

Julia: Well, and when she was reunited with Scarlet Johansen on the Black Widow, you know, for Black Widow on the red carpet, that there wasn't an issue. It was like sisters being reunited. So, and. Go ahead.

Natalie: I will be sad if that's Olivia's 

Julia: story. I don't know if it's Olivia's story per se, but I do know there are some women on this planet that I cannot be in the same room with because we do not jive. Right. And I think that's fine. And I hope to God I never have to work with them because if I do, and if we were famous, there will be tabloid headlines about screaming matches, even though we spoke tely to each other, because that's probably what happened.

Julia: Yeah, they're probably just curly speaking to each other and someone was like, they were screaming at each 

Natalie: other. Well, I also think that a lot of the reason why we have conflict management issues in our society is because we still play with kindergarten rules. Like sharing is caring. Make new friends but keep the old, like, yeah, everyone has to be a friend.

Natalie: Everybody has to get along and do after work drinks and happy hour and yeah. Coworker karaoke night and it's like, some people literally just wanna do their job and go home. 

Julia: Yeah. Like I've never subscribed to being friends with my coworkers. I've actually seen coworkers take each other down and get like, BFF Besty best friend coworkers.

Julia: And then when it comes down to it, who's getting fired, one of 'em throws the other one under the bus. And so, you know, that was in my formative career. So after that I was like, I will never become close friends with anybody I work with. Cause you could turn on me. Um, alright friends. Um, Mario, tell us where everyone can find you if they wanna keep up with you online.

Mario: Uh, you can follow me on my Instagram page at movies with Mr. Mario, where I do movie reviews and keep up with the latest movie news, gossip, and entertainment. 

Julia: Did you do a review for, Don't worry, darling. Or were you waiting until, 

Mario: I was gonna wait until after tonight. 

Natalie: Cause I didn't wanna Okay. We will reshare it on that.

Natalie: You'll reshare 

Julia: it. Culture. Um, because I would love to see your grade. I don't want you to give it to now cause I don't want any, I want everyone to go to your page to see what your grade is. Okay. 

Natalie: And you, if you've been hoping that my freak flag would fly and I would get to talk about scary movies more on the internet, Mario is giving me that platform to do it.

Julia: Yes. All right. Natalie. Working. 

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Julia: We are still currently in rebroadcast mode. New season will drop October 11. 12. Season four is Wednesday is Wednesday, so October 12th and season four is all about wealthy women in the media. And we have guests, These two people in right now are guests in season four and it's very exciting. So you'll wanna make sure that on October 12th you have subscribed to our channel by then, so that way you can wa or tune into the season.

Julia: Also, tomorrow night, Natalie and I will be on Instagram talking. That's right about episodes four, five and six. If season two of One Tree Hill and what is happening, you have to tune in because I 

Natalie: got question. I got to listen. While I was making Penelope Crystal Shop house for Halloween, I got to listen to the girls interview, Paul Joe Hanson, who played Dan Scott and what, and they cried because he's such a lovely human being.

Natalie: So like if he wants to talk to us, about Dan Scott, 

Julia: struggle with people who. People claim to be lovely human beings, but then play horrible characters on tv. There's a part of you's not as a shitty person. If you can play a shitty person that well, it is 

Natalie: truly my greatest joy when I know that you can play a dirt bag, but you are a teddy bear.

Natalie: Like it is my greatest joy to know that he is a wonderful human being. So, so shout out to the Drama Queens podcast. Nice. Um, but yeah, that's a men. I've tolerated pod on Instagram and Mario and I even get to be on an episode of pop culture. Makes me jealous together because I elbowed my way into a movie that I like.

Natalie: I was like, hmm. Make room for 

Julia: me. Yes. Um, and like I said, new season starts October 12th. We also have merch as well in the merch store. We have seasonal stuff right now out, as does Natalie. So you wanna nab those seasonal items before they go away. I love Halloween. Yes. Mario's wearing 

Natalie: Halloween merch, right?

Julia: Yes. Scary movies are my vibe. Yeah, that's, Yep. Um, and so do you wanna club? Oh yeah. Well, pop culture makes me jealous. As a book club, you should join the book club, and if you're a pal on Patreon, you actually get voting rights and access to the replay. Everyone else, you have to show up live. But that's not the point.

Julia: We only read books that have been adapted to screen. That is the theme of our book club. Um, and let's see. I think that's it y'all. The next still comfy next week, right? Next week yes. Is we are capping our Instagram series of the New Prime Original League of their Own with the og, a League of their Own with Gina Davis.

Julia: Mm-hmm the one and only League of Their Own that The Better League of Their Own. That informed exactly my identity Politics . Um, that is next week on Natalie's channel and I think that's everything we got going on in the next two weeks. So be sure to scr subscribe to Mario's channel on Instagram, our channels, all the things so you never miss a live show or whatever it is that we're talking about, cuz you know you want it.

Julia: Friends. Until next time, we will see you in the dms. See you tomorrow 

Natalie: night on the River Court and stay cozy. Stay comfy. Wait, .

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• Season 1 31
• Season 2 25
• Season 3 25
• Season 4 30
• Season 5 21
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