The Nanny | 9
Show Notes:
This week on the show we are discussing the flashy girl from Flushing with Kelli Perrault!
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Transcript:
Julia: Hey friends, this is pop culture Makes me jealous where we analyze pop culture through the lens of race or gender, and sometimes both. I'm your host Julia Washington, and on today's show, my friend Kelly is here and we are discussing the flashy girl from Flushing.
Julia: The nanny debuted on November 3rd, 1993, and starred Fran Drescher, Charles Shawney, and so many other awesome folks. This brought delightful shenanigans into living rooms every week for six seasons. But before we dive in, let me introduce you to my guest. Kelly is a self-taught graphic and web designer and digital artist.
Julia: She enjoys channeling her love of house plants, humor, feminist pop culture, and retro design styles into her art. When not making art, Kelly can be found adequately mothering her two daughters, taking walks while listening to podcasts, or wondering if that weird neck pain is because of how she slept last night, or just because she's in her thirties now.
Julia: welcome to the show, Kelly .
Kelli: It is because I'm in my thirties now. Yeah. It's not how I sleep. .
Julia: Oh man. Isn't that the truth? I've sort of inherit. I've started doing like this old lady shuffle when I get up in the morning. ,
Kelli: you're like kind of like crouched for like we have to like lean into the day.
Julia: Uhhuh, , Uhhuh,
Julia: I'm just like, this is not good. This is why I'm gonna die alone. I'm gonna have like a date one time in the future, and he's gonna be like, that's how you get outta bed. Bye . No, you, you got friends at home. Kelly is the one who also designed our website. So when she says that she is a web designer, she is not just saying that she actually is.
Julia: Because you know how people are like, oh, I designed websites, and you're like, but do you though
Kelli: I have done one? Yay.
Julia: More than one. More than one. Yes. More than one. Yes. Yes. Well, I'm excited you're here. We're friends in real life. So it's always fun when a friend in real life comes on. Okay, so let's do a quick recap because honestly, it's been such a long time since the show's been on the Air and Friends.
Julia: This is a direct quote from I M D B. So here we go. After being fired from her job and dumped by her boyfriend, a cosmetic saleswoman becomes the nanny to three children of a rich English widower. As time passes, the two fall for each other. I just feel like that's not enough of a description. I probably should have done better, but, huh?
Julia: Life's hard. I think it's great. Thank you. Good job. Im GB . In a 1993 LA Times review writer, Howard Rosenberg had this to say in the high toned atmosphere, Fran is the unrefined outsider who schlep is showing. Somehow though everything works out impervious to the sarcasm of the Sheffield snooty butler and Maxwell snotty associate.
Julia: Fran reshapes the household and becomes surrogate mother to mousey Maggie, monstrous Brighton, and precocious grace to the new nanny. Being in these swell surroundings is like living at Caesar's Palace. End quote. I actually even think she says that. That's a direct quote from the pilot, I think. I think it is.
Julia: Yeah. Yeah. So let's start with an easy one where we always begin . Why do you love this show?
Kelli: Okay. I mean, it's outrageous. I love out outrageousness. I do. I live for it. I am, I don't know, I'm not outrageous. I don't, I don't think of myself as outrageous, but I'm one of those people who wishes she could be outrageous.
Kelli: Oh, okay. You're kind of
Julia: wish that you could be like a Fran.
Kelli: Yeah. I like to live vicariously. Like I tend to be, I'm less quiet now, but I've al I was always kinda like the quiet kid in school, but all my friends were loud mouths. Mm. And I don't think that that was a coincidence. It was like, I wanna be like this person hitch, my wagon, it's loud mouth and I love them.
Kelli: I, and, and she was loud and brash and brazen and, you know, all these things that I kind of aspired to be and I mean, and everything like her, her fashion and her. Big hair. Oh, the hair
Julia: so good. She didn't do anything. Yes. And you know how like over a series, A series that's multiple seasons, like the first season, everyone kind of looks a little rough because they don't have a lot of money.
Julia: So you're like, this is clearly low budget. Mm-hmm. with Fran, she, they never devia deviated away from her original look in season one. No,
Kelli: no. They, I mean, spot on. Like I have a feeling like, so she, she created the show. Mm-hmm. And so I think that she had ave must have had a very clear picture in her head and was like, Nope, this is what we're doing.
Kelli: This is, this is what I want her to be. And she stuck to
Julia: it. Yeah. . And we had a moment where we were talking about the theme song, but I feel like it's worth talking about cuz you know how , you know how you can skip the intro for some shows. Uhhuh , I won't do it. For the nanny because the song is so
Kelli: great, . I love it.
Kelli: I sing along like I don't sing along with most theme songs. I especially don't sing along with the theme songs. When there's someone around me, I will sing along with that theme song. Yes. I don't care who's around me, it's just you can't, if you hear it, you have to. It's so good. It's very
Julia: catchy and super memorable.
Julia: Like you hear it, you know immediately. Yes. Which I love.
Kelli: I saw a tweet and it was something like Eminem could Never . Stop. What was it? Ta. Oh God. What line? They were just like the rhyming. The rhyming. How do you rhyme this word and that word. And I was like, you know what? Yes, that's true. Mm-hmm. .
Julia: Yeah. Cuz the one that I love that I'm always like, yes, let's sing it is, I forget what the line is before, but then like, while everybody else is wearing tan Yes.
Julia: I was like, oh my god, this is genius. Because they really do put the rest of the cast in very dull, boring colors. .
Kelli: Yes. The lady in Rhett, she's a lady in red. The
Julia: lady in everybody else is wearing tan. That's it. That's it. It's like, this is so good and it sets the tone really well for the show, I think.
Kelli: Yes.
Kelli: Well, and I think that's another reason why it appeals to me is is it, it's definitely like a fish out of water. Mm-hmm. type story. Mm-hmm . And I mean at the time I was watching it, I was probably watching it mostly in reruns and I was end of high school, freshly into college where like, You feel like a fish outta water no matter what.
Kelli: You don't belong. You're like, you're not quite an adult, you're not quite a kid. And you just, I mean the, the, I'm going into a whole new world. No, very, very appealed to me. Yeah. There's definitely that aspect of like, I don't belong anywhere. Mm-hmm. , oh, here's someone who doesn't belong anywhere. And I think she's awesome
Julia: and she, she kind of doesn't care.
Julia: She's like, you guys are stuffy. Let's fix that. .
Kelli: Yes. God. The, the pilot I think is when she like shows up at the party, she's like, we'll just do it . Yeah. We'll just show up to the party. What's he gonna do? Yeah.
Julia: Yeah. Cuz they want, they don't have the kids. The kids are like, we never go to the parties. And she's like, why wouldn't you go to the parties?
Julia: That's dumb . Yeah. It's your dad's
Kelli: party.
Julia: Yes. It was so great. And she makes a really good point. People ha shell out more money when there's kids around cuz they're cute. Yes, yes.
Kelli: Yeah. She was very smart.
Julia: Very smart indeed. And I just, We'll get into this a little bit more later, but the comedy definitely holds up, which I love.
Julia: Yes, because I, it's on H B O max right now, so I was like, I'm gonna, Refresh my memory with some of these episodes, , because like you, I watched it in reruns all the time too. Um, I don't think I caught any of it live. Maybe the later seasons, because that was the end of high school for me. Nope, that wasn't the end of high school in 1999.
Julia: That's wrong. That was the beginning of high school. And well, here I am lying about my age. Really? I'm like 47. Trying to pass myself off as a 38 year old. Don't you wanna age this? Well, guys, .
Kelli: Hey. Very on brand. We're talking about Fran Fine. Who was 29 for like five seasons.
Julia: Yes. . I forgot how good the pilot was.
Kelli: It was like it was slot. Like they didn't miss a note. Nope.
Julia: Everything was like, mm mm. Yes, they came out strong and the only major changes was the set. And that's, that's pretty common because pilots are usually shot months before um, anything gets picked up. So, you know, you c obviously you're gonna make changes, but the continuity between the pilot and episode two was so good and so clear.
Julia: Cuz I had this theory that the only good first pilot I can recall is the Huxtables cuz it's so good. Mm-hmm. . Um, same with, you know, they had a couple of changes that went, the, the show went through before getting to the second episode, but the writing was so on point, like so hilarious. Everyone remembers the scene between Cliff and Theo, you know, about the monopoly money and the real world and all that stuff.
Julia: But this nanny pilot episode, I was like, oh shit. I, no, no, no. You fired me. You fired me so I can collect unemployment. Like that line was genius. And the delivery right back too.
Kelli: Like there's callbacks, uh, Uhhuh . Hmm. Yes. The writing was
Julia: wonderful. Yeah.
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Julia: The tension between Maxwell and Fran is clear from the beginning, but Maxwell was super cute. So, and now as a grown ass woman, I'm just like, mm-hmm. . Yeah. Intentional writing or not. The two are intrigued by each other, but there's this third cog in the wheel, Cece Babcock. She's an associate of Maxwell's.
Julia: She, she too is wealthy and lives in a world where it makes absolute perfect sense for someone like her and someone like Maxwell to be in romantic pair and someone like Fran to remain in Queens, even if she's the nanny. The differences between Fran and Cece couldn't be more glaring or intentional. Cece is uptight, frigid, rude, a snob.
Julia: Fran is loving, practical, where the kids are concerned and isn't easily blown away by prestige. She's grounded in a way that Cece is not. That's not to say Cece doesn't have her own version of grounding either. She understands Maxwell's world and can navigate it, but Fran is here to shake up the status quo.
Julia: Otherwise we wouldn't have the shell. But wealthy women in television is a very specific trope that Cece fits into perfectly. So I really wanna dive into the contrast of Cece and Fran. So what did you think of Cece way back when, when you first encountered the show? Oh man.
Kelli: She sucked . That was how I felt.
Kelli: I was like, why does she have to be there? Why does she have to ruin all the plans? Yeah. You have to be so mean. Yeah. But I also really loved the like contention between her and Nile's, the Butler. Like, oh my God, it was the best you lived for that every episode. And I was like, this is why she needs to be here.
Kelli: Uh, obviously like for these, for this side story. And I, she drove me crazy and I thought she was a big jerk, , but I also was like, okay, she needs to be there because. Story writing, I guess.
Julia: Yeah. The sparring that she and Niles goes through is epic.
Kelli: It's so good. I mean, and they just, the digs, they both and they both like equal footing.
Kelli: Yeah. That was always was like, yes.
Julia: Yeah. And they never missed the beat. And there's a few episodes I forgot about this, where the scene is so funny that some of the characters break. And I love that because it's like, I love that you, whoever just directed that episode, decided to leave it in there for the whole world to enjoy
Kelli: Yes. I mean, and they looked, I mean, and that's the thing is like, it did look like a fun show to film all the way throughout, but like especially those scenes where like, because as you're watching it, you can't help but just like fall the pieces. Yeah. With laughter and like of course the people that you're watching have to find this funny.
Kelli: Or even the characters at some point have to find like this ridiculousness
Julia: funny. Yeah. I can't even imagine. I did. I would, I would like you. I thought Cece was the worst. I thought, oh my God, I can't with this person. She sucks. She's no fun. She is. She takes herself way too seriously, and she's just very, like, polished in a way that I would be scared.
Julia: I'd accidentally spill something on her, and then she'd lose it on me. Yes. And that's terrible. She's very intimidating. Mm-hmm. , now that we're grown , are your opinions of her a little different?
Kelli: Oh, they're a ton different. I, I maybe love the character of Cece as much as I love the character of Fran. Tell me why.
Kelli: Because they are both, like, they're both two sides of the same coin, right? Mm-hmm. like it, like they were e equally matched. They both knew what they. and weren't afraid of getting what they wanted or, you know, doing what they needed to do to get what they wanted. I mean, she was like, if you look at her, like looking at her now owning a business mm-hmm.
Kelli: looking at her as a business woman, I'm like, yeah, I wanna be her. Mm-hmm. , she is like, she's ruthless, but in a way that like, I mean, in a way that's cruel. Like I wouldn't necessarily want to actually be here. Cuz there are some times in some scenes where they're like, Hmm, , you're a little too mean. Yeah. But also like, she's not afraid to like, do business.
Kelli: Yeah. And, you know, make those deals and, you know,
Julia: and she, she kind of has to be ruthless because especially in the nineties, she's in a male dominated industry, you know, she's working for someone rather than being like a full partner in the company. Um, and just battling sort of those patriarchal bullshit.
Julia: Situations of being probably the only woman in the room who's an executive and not, you know, the person taking the notes. Like Yeah,
Kelli: there's a, yeah, well, trying to be at, at, at the same time, she's not just trying to be high-powered businesswoman. Mm-hmm. go get her. She's also trying, sometimes failing, I mean, in the show, failing.
Kelli: Mm-hmm. in, like, looking at her not failing, trying to be attractive. Mm-hmm. to a specific person and failing repeatedly. Like, looking at her now, I'm like, man, she was actually a really good looking lady, but at the time, watching it, it was like she, she's played for laughs and she's, you know, with Nile's jokes and stuff mm-hmm.
Kelli: like talking about, oh, she's a dog. And it's like, look, now I'm like, um, no she's not. She looks great. Yeah. But, The character just trying and failing and trying and failing, but also being a successful person. Yeah. It's a, it's such a, she's such a good character to watch and also the, the perfect character
Julia: for Fran.
Julia: Yeah. And she's a great, it's more than just a contrast too, right? Because she's, like you say, she and Fran have a lot in common. Um, the actress, what is her real name? Lauren Lane. Okay. She left Hollywood after doing the name Good. Mm-hmm. . Wow. She, because an actress though, she was a classic, classically trained.
Julia: I didn't put any of the quotes in the article, so I need to maybe, I don't know. But she had a very, like, good, uh, training experience in acting. And then she put in the article that she had private. privately. She had faced her own obstacles is how they worded it in the vice article. Um, and then when the nanny ended, quote a, after the nanny ended, she felt effectively forced out of Hollywood and chose to reinvent a life herself completely separate from her sitcom past.
Julia: Wow. And I thought that was interesting because she talks about in this article, ageism, sexism, sizeism, um, that she was
Kelli: on a season or two. So
Julia: Yeah. And I don't think she slimmed down right away after she had the baby. Um, and I know, I think I, they do pick on her weight to, right? Like they pick on our weight.
Kelli: I think so. But I think they picked on it before, like, I think it was one of those, like through the whole thing. Yeah. It was just like, we're gonna just make it part of her character. Unless I'm remembering wrong, but like weight was a thing with the mom too, so I could be
Julia: remembering that. Yeah. Weight is just a thing that women are put through on everything.
Julia: Like, I can't name a show in the, you know, that doesn't have some sort of subtle fat phobic Oh, yeah.
Kelli: All, all of them. They, you can't find, you can't find
Julia: one. You can't. Yeah. That is a challenge to our friends at home to send in some shows so we can watch them . I want that because it's bullshit. Because it's bullshit to go for somebody's weight because you don't know if they have a health problem.
Julia: You don't know, you know, what kind of stressors like were they, there's all these different things that contribute to weight that aren't just, you eat like shit.
Kelli: Right? Yeah. Most of the time it's not that. It's, most time it's something
Julia: else. Yeah. In this article she was said, she says, quote, I was living in this world of like, I'm a classically trained theater actress, and the nanny's a great job.
Julia: I'm happy, I'm grateful, but it's not what I'm going to end up doing and not what I'm good at. She said, now at my age, I'm like, you're so silly. You were so blind. I wish I'd been smarter about it because you know, like I mentioned earlier, she did leave Hollywood. Um, later in this article, she talks about how she kind of becomes regular, like her type of actress is Evil Vixen.
Julia: Yeah, I can see that. Mm-hmm. . So in a way, I guess she kind of fits into the, she's this f stepping stone of being Cece because she's a heavy reader. She's classically trained in theater. Like those are all, you know, her character. Cece might not be classically trained in theater, but there's a level of like grace that goes into that.
Kelli: She an actress. Mm-hmm. , Cece would've been classically trained for sure.
Julia: Yep. Yep. And, Oh, she even says she found it fitting. She was the closest to Daniel Davis, who plays Niles. Mm-hmm. . Um, and I guess there is, she said that they were friends even well before the series began, which I think is really cute. I love
Kelli: that.
Kelli: Yeah. Mm-hmm. did not know that. Yeah, I did find out He is southern. He's not even British. What? Yes, yes. I have not been able to find a, any, like he has a straight Southern accent. You wouldn't know
Julia: it. No. Yeah. And bad accents are like nails on a chalkboard for me. Yes. Whenever we watch British TV and they have somebody playing in America, I'm like, you just should have found a fucking American.
Julia: Like this is, and same with British. Whenever, like there's TV in an American and they're like, we need a British person. There's plenty of shortage actors here. There's no shortage
Kelli: or American actors. Yeah, I don't, yeah. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. No, he's, he's straight southern twangy and he played a British butler and you
Julia: can't even hear the difference between him and, and what's his face?
Julia: Charles? Is that his first name? Charles? Yeah. Yeah. Who really is British because then fast forward all these years and he shows up on Mad Men, and that was the first time I had seen him acting since the nanny and I was. Maxwell Sheffield, what are you doing on Madman? Right?
Kelli: Confession. I did not watch madman.
Julia: That's okay. Um, it actually irritates the show really actually bothers me a lot, but I
Kelli: can't, I tried, I watched the first couple of episodes and I was like, you know what? I can't do it. Yeah. It's already making me angry. Yeah.
Julia: The whole, every season, every season it's like, can I throw But I can't turn away and I don't know why I get that.
Julia: I don't know why. Oh, maybe because I wanna be super rich. Just to have like one great idea a month and get paid a shit ton of money for it. . Like that's the dream job. . Yes. As a creative, you understand? You were nodding. Yes, totally. Us creatives are like, we're brilliant. Pay us our worth. Stop trying to pay me $10 an hour to work 47 million hours for some tiny little thing you need.
Julia: Yes,
Kelli: creativity is important and nobody seems to get
Julia: that. I do kind of feel like. The way that we portray because she's so, like, she becomes like mushy and sort of defrosts in a way that is so the polar opposite of her frigidness when Maxwell's around that it's like she can be one side of the spectrum and that's it.
Julia: Mm-hmm. .
Kelli: Yeah. She's a very tricky character in that, in that way. Mm-hmm. , but like from a storytelling perspective, like, she's perfect. She like with like, if you have this, you know, uncouth wrong side of the tracks, fish outta water type person who's just bubbly and, and wants to, kind of, wants to belong or, or it's not even that she wants to belong, she just, Feels that she belongs there.
Kelli: Right? She's just like, well, why not? Like, kind of like with the kids, like, why wouldn't I go to the party? Like I, I'm gonna live here. If you guys live here and the party's here, like, why wouldn't we all go? Yeah. And just, just like that not having that concept almost of, or at least not acknowledging that concept of not belong.
Kelli: Like, of course I belong. I'm, I'm here. Yeah. And then you have Cece who like, she's the perfect foil. She's everything that Fran is not. Mm-hmm. and Frans everything that she is not. And just like, it, it sets you up. It's like an e it's like an easy like gimme for the writers, right? Yeah. Like, yeah. You can just keep cranking an o They did.
Kelli: We got all kinds of conflicts that we can, right. Here's this episode of this episode. Yeah. Like it's per like the, the characters like, and that was the other thing. Is there, there weren't a lot of like cast change there. I don't think there were any cast changes.
Julia: I don't think so. I
Kelli: think Uhhuh . and like that speaks a lot to like their planning of like the characters when they set it up too.
Kelli: Just like Yeah.
Julia: And too the, the behind the scenes stuff as well, right? Like we hear a lot on sitcoms or TV shows that people don't get along or what have you. And while, you know, there are sitcoms that don't experience cash changes, you can tell when they're working together on screen. Like you can just tell that everyone really enjoyed working on that show.
Julia: At least the adults. I don't know about the kids. I always get really excited when I saw the kids grown on something else. They're just like, oh my God, you .
Kelli: Yes. You're so grown . They're so cute. But
Julia: yeah, I think you're right. I think that, that they needed each other and they needed to be that extreme in order for it to work.
Julia: I don't think it, it would work any other way in that way. Um, so it makes it also all the more. Wonderful. When they do have really good bonding moments and when they do show up for each other. Yes. Because you're like, see, even people who don't get along can fucking rally and like Yes.
Kelli: Yeah. There, and there were a few, and like they, it was almost like they broke the fourth wall when they would do stuff like that.
Kelli: Mm-hmm. and be like, yeah. And there was, there was one episode toward this, towards the end where it's like they have, like, Fran and Maxwell have like come out and said like, we're in a relationship, da da da. And Cece's going, losing it, completely losing it, or she's completely lost it. And she's come back from losing it.
Kelli: Yeah. And he's, he's done something to piss off Fran. And she's mad and she's like, I'm leaving, and da da da. And she talks, she, you don't leave. You live here and you have every right to be here. And you tell him what, da, da, da da. And she's like, you get back in there, champ. Kind of kind of pep talk. Yeah. And then I think like Nile says something to her and he's like, You just tried to save their relationship.
Kelli: She's like, yeah, I know. You know, just like, I can't believe it either, but here I am, you know? Yeah. It's very like a wink and a nod to the audience and I loved that. Yeah. Or um, what other, what other episode earlier in the show where they get locked in the basement together. That was a good mm-hmm. force 'em to be together.
Kelli: She like does Cece's hair to look like her mother's hair. Yeah. that part. I was dying. I loved that part. But, you know, just very, just like girl talking like you're stuck together. Yeah. You got something in common, keep talking. You know? Yeah. That was always, that was always fun. Oh my
Julia: gosh. We could do a whole episode two on Fran's mom.
Julia: Oh God. We don't have that kind of time today. But ,
Kelli: no, but again, talking about like the whole like, you know, eating, uh, eating, eating too much eating. Mm-hmm. , she was, I loved that about her. Like they did make too many fat jokes at her expense, I think. Which I didn't like, but she was always a character. It was just like, yeah, I'm going to eat a lot.
Kelli: Yeah.
Julia: Who,
Kelli: who doesn't of like, she was just very much like, this is who I am. Yeah. I enjoy eating. I'm gonna do what I enjoy and yes, you know what? I respect it. I probably was influenced by that a little bit. . I was never like a closet eater or anything. I was just like, Nope, I'm. Four pieces of pizza. Thank you very much.
Julia: Yeah, same. You know how like we're always told don't eat a burger on a first day order, a salad. Fuck that shit. Oh no. You are going to pay for what I want. because that is what I want on the menu, and I'm not going to, I do have a weird thing about getting my hands dirty when I eat, if I'm like, yeah, like, but I also have a weird thing about food
Julia: Yeah. I have this thing about just my hands being dirty in general. . Mm-hmm. . Yeah, it's fine. I have mental health. It's fine. Fran Drescher has said her favorite episode is the pilot, but in an interview with the Today Show, she mentioned that the episode that everyone mentions to her is season three, episode 18.
Julia: Val's boyfriend, Val has a boyfriend. Fran's feeling a little left out because Fran Val is spending all this time with his boyfriend, Fran. And Si. Fran and Cece go out for sushi, and Fran has never had sushi, nor does she know what Wasabi is before she takes a bite of wasabi. And, well, if you haven't seen this episode, but you've consumed Wasabi, you can imagine the.
Julia: Lucille Ball is credited often for being a master of physical comedy. Carol Burnett comes quickly to mind as well, but I think Fran Drescher is often overlooked, like most women are when it comes to comedy for her comedic contributions. So I wanna talk about the physicality and the comedic elements of not just the scene but the show.
Julia: Because what's brilliant and I watched it today to refresh my memory cause it's like, I remember this episode because the wasabi bit is like, I'd be curious who did the wasabi bit first, cuz it's in so it, you see it so much. It like happens so much now. But she cece's like, it's like mustard. So Fran's like I love mustard and then takes this huge bite.
Julia: Totally has this physical reaction, facial re like she's and Cece's just chatting away with her problems and whatever. And Fran is having this full moment that Cece is completely unaware of and then eventually falls off her stool. Friends, when she pops back up. Cuz Fran Dreher's voice does not sound like that in real life.
Julia: that is not her normal voice. She pops up and she has her normal voice and CC'S like, oh my God, who's this hottie? And then she transitioned so seamlessly. Because the joke is like, oh my God, it clears your sinuses. The line. Yeah. I couldn't remember . And then she's like, I wonder how long it will last. And you're just like, dying.
Julia: Cause she seamlessly goes back into that nasal hypo choice that we know and you're just like, holy shit, this was so good.
Kelli: So good. That scene. No, I can definitely believe that she gets comments on that scene all the time because it is a great scene. And not just like the physicality, cuz she fully like, throws herself back and forth.
Kelli: I can picture this scene in my head, like throws herself back and forth, you know, falls off the stool and like her arm reaching up onto the bar to like pull herself back up. Like she looks like she's in physical pain and the, but the, the facial expressions too, like she's very, like you said, Lucille Ball, like she's very Lucille Ball.
Kelli: Mm-hmm. Esque in a lot of, I think I even did an episode where she like, like, Pretended like imagined herself as Lucille Ball and Full Lucille Ball look. And like her facial expressions with the wide eyes. Yeah. And the mouth. Like she could give Lucille Ball a run for her money. Like she, she could do it.
Kelli: She and a lot of her scenes were very physical and like exaggerated and big. Mm-hmm. and, and it made it all the funnier like, yeah, it really, the running away from him all the time. .
Julia: In heels. In heels. It really did. And you know, a lot of people d don't give credit to the show where the credit is due. And I think it's because female lead, high pitched voice, you know, women are already battling the stereotype of being shrill.
Julia: So here, if you spend any time watching, again, start with the pilot because it's 100% worth
Kelli: it. . Oh, it's,
Julia: yes. You just really aren't disappointed because the lines, the com and the way that everybody on the show delivers their lines. Mm-hmm. is so well executed. But yeah. The physical elements of it, you're just, you forget, and women often aren't credited for being physical in comedy.
Julia: That's a dude thing. Yes. Yeah.
Kelli: Which is so dumb. And Yeah. Well, like, I mean, women have physical bodies. We can do physical things. It's, mm-hmm. , it's a whole. It's the whole thing. We can do . Yeah, .
Julia: And sometimes funnier because we can do, we're like, we're forced into having to be physically active to stay trim and fit.
Julia: So there's things we can do with our bodies that are just funnier. Yes,
Kelli: absolutely. Well, and also like a lot of comedy is the unexpected, right? Mm-hmm. , like I get surprised you laugh a lot harder. Like if you, or if you watched a show, I was talking with my daughters the other day and we were watching Bluey and we watched all the episodes of Bluey a billion times.
Kelli: And there was one, it was like my favorite and it was the first one that I sat down and watched and I remember crying, crying, laughing at this episode. Yeah. And then we were watching it the other night and she was like, I wanna watch the show and I wanna watch that episode. And I put it on, she's like, I like it, but it's, it's not as funny as the first time.
Kelli: And I was like, yeah, that's the thing. Like, yeah, when you rewatch things, they're still good, but they might not get you right. Where, where they got you before. Mm-hmm. . Cause you're not sup. It was the surprise when it takes you by surprise, it's a lot funnier. . Yeah. Yeah. And, and I think that's, you know, that's part of it.
Kelli: But. That's an advantage I think that women can have doing physical comedy cuz no one expects it. Right. So then you have, I mean that's why this is this, this uh, wasabi bit is so funny. No one expected her to eat a whole mouthful of wasabi and fall off the dang chair. It was gonna be a normal episode. It was gonna be a normal conversation.
Kelli: They were gonna have their little and then in scene. Yeah. And you didn't get that. And,
Julia: and to set it up with comparing the wasabi to mustard . I was like that on purpose. I think so. I think so,
Kelli: yes. Oh, a hundred percent. First of all,
Julia: I don't think that was mustard or anything alike. No, not at all.
Kelli: Not at all.
Kelli: Like they're No. Yeah, no, no. You don't use them the same. I was trying to think of anything. Common between them and I, I can't, yeah, no.
Julia: They're definitely not used for the same reason and, and I was probably like, I don't know, 35 before I even liked Mustard. So if that were me in the situation, I would be like, well then I'm not eating it.
Julia: And then there goes your scene. . Mm-hmm. . Yeah. We don't get anything. We get nothing. You get no comedy. That's right. Rebooting and reimagining is very popular these days, but the thing we often forget about is that every idea is already recycled and repackaged since Shakespeare. So here's my question. How do you think this show would be different if it were produced today?
Kelli: Huh? I mean, I first of all can't imagine re casting anyone. Yeah. , I can, I cannot.
Julia: Because is there even another Fran Reer type person? You know what I mean? Cause Oh no. Because you know, in Hollywood they do the whole Get me Don Chle, or get me someone who's Don Chle. Get me someone like Don Chle. Get me Don Chle.
Julia: Get me a young Don Chle. Like that's the progression of your career in Hollywood.
Kelli: Yeah. I mean, I can't, I can't imagine. I can't think, I can't think of who would replace Fran Drescher. I just, I don't know. It would have to be
Julia: She's iconic.
Kelli: What's she is? Who is that? I can't remember her name. Is it Natasha Leon? The, oh my
Julia: God, I love Natasha Leon from Russian Doll. Mm-hmm. like
Kelli: a gritty reboot of the nanny with her. Yes. . I would love to see it .
Julia: Oh my God. Because you know what, that's a good choice because Natasha Leon does have a unique voice.
Kelli: Yes. Yeah, she does. It's not Fran Dreher's voice, but it is unique. It is. And and I, I don't, I mean, I don't know if sh I watched her on SNL the other night. Yes. Oh my God, that was a great episode. It was great. And like I think she can, I mean, she obviously, she can comedy the, the physicality. I don't know.
Kelli: She does great facial expressions. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think a gritty reboot of the nanny with her. I can't think of anybody else who, who would also be in that cast. Yeah. Cause
Julia: like who would be the British hottie in modern era? Because if you think about it, they're technically probably our age, right?
Julia: Like Mr. Sheffield. And Fran and Cece were probably late thirties because we've learned that Hollywood doesn't actually want you to be 40, but they will make you look like you're 45, even if you're playing a 38 year old character. Yes.
Kelli: What if he's
Julia: not British?
Kelli: What. Oh my God. What if he's still like from another country, but not Britain?
Kelli: I like that. Yeah. Decolonize it. That's absolutely,
Julia: yeah. Who, what, what country though? I
Kelli: don't know. That's as far as my brain can go. You know what? I can't. I'm not good at thinking on the
Julia: fly. That's okay. That's okay. I like the idea of maybe doing like Upper Crust India or like maybe like Upper Crest Kenya or something like that.
Julia: That could be fun. That would be interesting. But I, you know, but you know what? We're all hot for British accents anyway. Oh. Here's how we solve this problem. We have, we have the son of Nigerian immigrants raised in England, playing the new Mr. Sheffield. Yes. .
Kelli: Yes. Oh my God, I wanna watch this show. Yeah.
Julia: And then I can't see him and Natasha Leon falling in love though.
Julia: But yeah. But, and then, and then the kids could be mixed just mm-hmm. , right? Don't care what mix. Mom could have been Japanese. Yeah. Yeah.
Kelli: Oh my gosh. I love it. Can we bring back, what's his name to still be Niles though? , yes. Which is Southern, his southern British accent that is somehow flawless.
Julia: Oh, good. You know what's interesting though, how southern accents sort of get deemed always to be like a less intelligent human.
Julia: And that always bothered me too because some of the people I loved the most in childhood had a bit of a southern twist to 'em because that's where some of my family's from. Mm-hmm. . And it didn't make sense to me that we sort of, there's that spectrum, right? The highfaluting British accent. We deem it to be the most sophisticated.
Julia: And there's definitely an element where I'm just like, I texted my friend NICU is like, I think I might be in a state where I just, like, if the world were to send me a black man with a British accent, I think I would die . And just to hear him say he loved me every day. Okay. Um, , absolutely. But it kind of falls into that whole, like how that hierarchy, that's total bullshit because just because you know, the posh British accent doesn't mean that you're, um, any better than someone who is from like rural North Carolina.
Julia: Yeah,
Kelli: absolutely. Hundred percent agree and well, and then like, that's like, that's another trope, like mm-hmm. the wealthy woman to kind of, kind of trope is like, if you want your character to be smart, if you have a scientist or if you have, you know, a professor, they typically will, you know, a lot. Not typically, but a lot of times they'll, let's throw a British accent on there.
Kelli: Make him sound smart. Him up. Yeah.
Julia: So, oh my God. Daniel Craig doing an Bri uh, Southern accent. Did you see knives out when it came out?
Kelli: I was like, I can still always hear like British people doing southern accents. It's, I can always hear it. Like, even if I'm like, I, it's like, this sounds bad. Like when there's like, when when you go to your, go in your house and something smells off, you know, something smells off even if you don't know what it is.
Kelli: Yeah. Yeah. Like that. Not to disparage either accent, but it's just like, this doesn't sound. On for some reason. Yeah. Yeah.
Julia: I dunno what it is. Yeah. But I do love that they brought an intelligent character in, in, in a space where he, that is true is Southern. Cuz we don't see that a lot. Yeah,
Kelli: that is, that is a good point.
Kelli: Yes.
Julia: In regards to Cece though, I mean I think that there's still probably a lot to choose from who could play Cece because they, again, they still do that trope of like frigid bitch uptight. If she just had a man, she'd be, because doesn't she chill out a little bit after she and Nile's hook up?
Kelli: Yes. A little bit.
Kelli: Yeah. , it's terrible but I'm gonna say it. I don't think it would actually be a good choice. But if we're doing a gritty reboot, what's her name from Gone Girl? . Oh my God. What is her name? Wait, like the short? She's got the same hair, the short blonde hair. Hold on. You know who I'm talking about,
Julia: right? I don't know.
Julia: I don't, yes, so, so I'm gonna look her up on I M D B cause I'm like, what is her name? You're thinking? Rosen Pike. Yeah. .
Kelli: I'm like I said, it's not a good choice. Yeah. . It's the first one that pops in my head. If we're doing like a gritty she'd be, she'd be a gritty CC Babcock.
Julia: I love the idea though, of like Cece being British and then Maxwell being not British.
Julia: Yeah. Does that add to the trope? It does. I like it. I have not seen Gone Girl. I only like incessantly watched the trailer multiple times
Kelli: because I can't see, I mean, I don't remember most of it. I watched it like eight years ago when I came out. Yeah. And so I don't remember a whole lot of details. I literally remember.
Kelli: Her look. Yeah. And her look is very mm-hmm. , 2000 tens Cece .
Julia: Yeah. And I feel like Roseman Pike, I think is another one that sort of gets cast into frigid roles too. Mm-hmm. , which isn't fair
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Julia: Who was your favorite character on the show?
Kelli: Mm. It's a toss up between Fran, obviously, obviously, and I kind of loved Gracie. Oh yeah, she was adorable. She had great comedic timing. Mm-hmm. , she like her neurotic little. Was awesome and they
Julia: really did a good job setting that up with season one. Like they did not hold back.
Julia: Like the pilot is so good as the foundation of the show. Yes. Oh, you really know what you're getting into. Mm-hmm. .
Kelli: Yep. Ugh. So good. Well, and then just throughout the, you know, as she like, and they showed like a progression, like she grows up, she gets better. She, you know, she works through her, all of her stuff.
Kelli: she's a poor kid. She had so much going on . She really
Julia: did. Yeah. Um, I always felt bad too cuz I was like, she played one of the stepsisters in a Cinderella story with um, oh yeah, Hillary Duff for the amount of times I've seen that movie. That took way too long for me to remember and I was just like, please don't let this be what your careers do.
Julia: It's not, but it, I ha I was fearful for her for a while. It
Kelli: was still just like, oh yeah. I think my favorite episode with the two of, of them, of, with Fran and Gracie interacting was when Fran killed her imaginary best friend. Oh my God. She had a little, like, it was like short, imaginary friend was this big, and she'd sit in a teacup and da da da da, and then Fran sat on her
Kelli: Yeah. And that whole episode was just, I mean, and talking about like the physicality and like this little girl just like completely just like going for it. Yeah. It's so good. So well acted like she's, she's good.
Julia: I agree. And what else is nice is I don't recall her being in any weird, like clearly they took care of the children because I don't think any of the children that I'm aware of had any major issues, which a lot of childhood actors can, because the pressure of the fame and the money and you know, you don't ha you don't live in reality cuz no one, everyone's trying to please your every need.
Julia: And I don't think she had that issue. I don't
Kelli: recall seeing anything with any of them. No. Well and that was the thing too, is I think the character of Fran. Mm-hmm and Fran Drescher, I think both it showed like she seemed to genuinely be caring. Mm-hmm about the kids. Like that was the only thing that I liked about the show.
Kelli: Like yes, the show is about the two of them and their relationship, but like the kids usually in shows, like kids kind of. Tosh decide the character has a baby and then you never see it again. And they were very much a part of the show. Mm-hmm. . And it was very much a part of, of Fran's character that like, I mean, she'd make jokes about like, who's supposed to be watching the kids?
Kelli: Oh yeah, it's me. You know? Yeah. But she also like, was always fully committed to like their wellbeing. Mm-hmm. , that was something, especially now watching the show, like, then it was like, yes, like as like a young adult, it would be cool to have her as my nanny and, and be my like, mentor, you know, as like, like the Maggie character.
Kelli: And looking back now, I'm like, that's how I wanna treat my kids. Like, she like talked to them realistically. Mm-hmm. , she, you know, used sarcasm with them like, but it was also like, oh, she like cares about these kids. Yeah. And that was always a good thing to see. Yeah. Both perspective.
Julia: Yeah, for sure. For sure.
Julia: And your point too, I was thinking about it, I was like, you know, because it, someone could say, well, the show is called The Nanny, you have to have the kids. And it's like, no, you don't, because just because her job is to be a nanny doesn't mean that Hollywood's gonna write it to where we actually see her and see the kids as often as we see the kids.
Kelli: Right. I mean, I can definitely see it being continue on with that name and yet becoming a completely different show. Mm-hmm. just like, oh, dish the kids. Yeah. It's like with,
Julia: um, Bridgeton and everyone's all like Lady Whistle down and all this stuff, and, but in the books, lady Whistle Down is revealed in book four, and then every book after that, you don't have Lady Whistle down and it just, you don't, it's, the stories don't hit the same because you don't have the gossip coming in like you did.
Julia: Yeah. Um. once it's revealed. And that's kind
Kelli: of, kind of takes you out of it.
Julia: Yeah. So you you, there's elements that you need for it to work and the kids, you need them for it to work.
Kelli: Yeah. Yes. Well, and it reveals a c side of her character that you don't see otherwise. Like she's very, like the, the brashness and stuff that gets toned down when she's with the kids.
Kelli: Like, she, like, it's, it softens her. Like, it, I mean, I hate, I hate like, like, oh, like the kids soften her up and that's not necessarily what I'm trying to, to say, but it's just like she's speaking to their level. Yeah. And it almost makes her a little more like, it, it cuts through her, um, def like as much defenses as she might have.
Kelli: Mm-hmm. . Cause she does have defenses, but like, she's a little bit more like Yeah. Genuine and authentic in interactions with the kids. Like she just tells it like it is, whereas like she's trying to like hide the stupid thing that she did from Maxwell or, you know. Yeah. She's not trying to hide anything from the kids.
Kelli: And I think that. That tends to show in like the writing that they do with interacting with them.
Julia: Yeah, for sure. Um, I watched this show so much that I think I eventually believed and maybe still do a little bit actually, that I would one day work as a supporting role for a very wealthy, handsome man who would see how delightful and brilliant I am and immediately fall in love, sweet me off my feet and all would be right in the.
Julia: Because apparently when you're in the millennial generation, that's the messaging that we got in a lot of stuff. . Yeah. .
Kelli: Yeah. We did .
Julia: In this scenario though, I would be like a house sitter because housing California is a financial stressor, so he hires me to live in his house, so that way it's not unattended and people don't come in and squat, but I'm paid rather than paying to live there.
Julia: I know it doesn't make sense, but it's just in okay. Oh, great though.
Kelli: Yeah, it's still, it sounds lovely in the best
Julia: neighborhood. It's got a pool, like all the things that you want. House staff. Not that I want house staff, but I definitely hate doing things. Certain things like myself, like I forget to eat all the time.
Julia: my kid doesn't come out looking for food. I'm not eating .
Kelli: Mm-hmm. . Yeah, just, or like just the I, I'll think about food and I'm like, and then I have to make it. Yeah,
Julia: I didn't realize. I think my grandmother set me up for failure and I love her so much. God rest her soul. She would cut our fruit. Oh. And so I loved cut fruit.
Julia: I love cut fruit. I fucking love fruit. Mm-hmm. the effort to go into cutting fruit. Man, I wish that woman was still alive. So I'd be like, grandma, thank you so much for spending four hours so I could have a bowl of fruit. .
Kelli: We are still trying, like we're gonna buy a bunch of fruits and vegetables and we're gonna cut 'em all up on Sundays.
Kelli: We're gonna have boxes of, you know, containers of fruits and vegetables just ready to snack on through the week. We have done it once. Yeah. It's so hot over dark. It is.
Julia: I can't hang. I can't hang. I need my grandma to cut up my pineapple . She's dead. It's fine. This took a weird turn. Talking
Kelli: about grandmas.
Kelli: We forgot about Grandma Yetta. Oh
Julia: my God. How do we forget about
Kelli: Grandma Yetta? I don't know. She's in the running for my also favorite .
Julia: She was the best. She was amazing. Oh, until Violet Crawley. I was like, this is the kind of grandma I wanna be. .
Kelli: Yes. Oh, I'm for sure. I'm like, I've already got my like sequined.
Kelli: Tracksuit. Yes. In my head it's yes. Mm-hmm. the wig, the big permed wig. Oh. Mm-hmm. . I'm probably gonna be here for Halloween at some point.
Julia: Omg. I love that. ,
Kelli: but it's gonna happen. She
Julia: was a great character. Mm. Love her. Because even though again, they play into, you know, caricatures for some of the characters, they still handle them with care and love.
Julia: Yes. Which is just so nice to see. Mm-hmm. like Fran is still devoted to her family. Like not just the family she cares for, but her parents and her, which do we ever see her
Kelli: dad? We did in like the last episode of the entire show. Oh. Oh,
Julia: that's
Kelli: smart. Yeah, it was. I loved how they, he was just like off the other room.
Kelli: He was, he was a tope getting like thrown off to the side of the camera. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Sometimes he was a voice, maybe.
Julia: Yeah. That was a fun element to the show too, cuz he's still a little bit of a mystery. Mm-hmm. , I forgot they revealed him in the final, I'll
Kelli: have to go back and watch it. Yeah, I, I only know cuz I wasn't watching the show like two days ago and I happened to be like at the end of, at the end of the series and I was like, oh yeah, he comes in at the end.
Julia: I love that. They're like, let's just give to people what they want. The series is ending. Yes, friends. The nanny is currently on H b o Max. You can view it if you have a subscription. Kelly, thank you so much for being here today. Can you tell everyone where they can find you if they wanna keep up with you
Kelli: online?
Kelli: Yes, you can find me mostly on Instagram. Yeah. I'm at Pleasant creative.co. I am also on my own website@pleasantcreative.co. , like to keep things simple around here. I'm also on TikTok, but I hardly ever post there. that might change. Yeah. But it's also pleasant creative.co .
Julia: Nice. We'll link to everything in the show notes so everyone can have easy access to you.
Julia: And really, honestly, friends, like even if you're not interested in branding and design, it's still a fun follow because Kelly talks a lot about storytelling. Um, and she does a lot of creative stuff. I ordered Golden Girls tickets from her, not tickets. Oh my God. God, I wish
Kelli: I had, I wish I had that kinda pull.
Kelli: I know, right. Golden Girls
Julia: stickers. And I wouldn't have known about them unless I was following her on the internet. And they're adorable. I'm currently battling, I want them on my computer, but also I don't want the, I don't like stuff on my computer , so I'm having this moment. I, we'll see what
Kelli: wins. Yes. I have like a collection of like three to five stickers at all times.
Kelli: Like. Trying to decide where they go.
Julia: Yeah. It's so hard. You'd think that as a grownup it'd be easier as you get older. No, it's not.
Kelli: Mm-hmm. Still hoarding them.
Julia: If anything, everything just gets harder. .
Kelli: That's the truth. That's why Fran stayed 29. It's hard
Julia: to get older. You know what? On my next birthday, I'm turning 29.
Julia: I wonder if people would buy it if I said I was 29. That would be a fun experiment. Do it. I wonder how old I should do like a man on the street thing and walk up to people and be like, how old do you think I am? Yes. Do it. I love it. I would be, people would get freaked the fuck out. .
Kelli: I hate it. People talking about Val on working moms, how old she was.
Julia: That was really hard to take.
Kelli: God. It was. I think it was intentionally like painful. Uhhuh. . I think they did it. I think they did it on purpose and I'm not okay with it. agreed. I didn't realize that they're married. Like her and Nathan are actually in real life. Yes. They're married in real life. Oh my God.
Kelli: They both produced the show
Julia: and he's okay with playing a garbage
Kelli: human apparently. I mean, maybe it's fun for him. I don't, I don't, yeah, but they're married. I was, I was trying to fight with, we finished season six last night and I was trying to find out like they're doing season seven. Right. They better with the way that fucking ended ended.
Kelli: Oh God. I'm so mad. I looked at Ryan and I was like, how dare they uhhuh? That's not okay.
Julia: That's not okay. And I know I say this a lot in my life and people make fun of me for it. My mother is an actual therapist, so like, when the daughter was doing what she was doing, it was like, uh, okay, you, you, you didn't, in my mind it was like, cuz my mom made it very clear the power of her role.
Julia: Mm-hmm. . . Um, and so I was like, what did you explain to your children that you do? And she's a psychiatrist, so it's different. Mm-hmm. , but there's still a lot of power wielded in that. Yeah. Because she can su prescribe medication. So I don't know. It was just like, I, that whole dynamic, Alison and, um, Annie Ann.
Kelli: Yeah. And Maded be real mad this season, and she's like, what are you doing? I loved Anne from the beginning. Yeah. She was my favorite. Angry. Be angry. I love it. Mm-hmm. . And this season was
like,
Julia: because you know what? This whole season stressed me out. It made me really, because the whole kid thing, like and how passive Kate was in Almo, just the first two seasons were.
Julia: Oh yeah. And then ever since then, there's just things where I'm just like, am I expected? Are we getting gonna get dumber the older we get? Because I'm very confused as to why you are letting your husband walk all over you like this.
Kelli: Yeah. Like he's never there. Like what? And then it's like you
Julia: need to ask for help.
Julia: Kate Nathan, she literally has asked you for help in every episode and you don't do shit. Yes. Yes,
Kelli: yes. Mm-hmm. ,
Julia: you haven't watched season six of Working Mom. Sorry for ruining it for you . But you should know by now if you're a regular, this is not a spoiler free show. . This is a spoiler filled show.
Julia: Absolutely,
Kelli: yes. But still watch it cuz it's good . It
Julia: is good. It may, it brings up, it brought for me a lot of emotions and a lot of things where I'm like, do I need to explore my thoughts and what I believe in this scenario? The answer is always yes. Yes. Oh my gosh, Kelly, I'm so glad
Kelli: you were here. Me too.
Kelli: This, I was looking forward to this well all day, but like we're also like the last two weeks
Julia: I know we've been planning and plotting and it makes me happy. Pop culture makes me jealous, is written, edited, and produced by me, Julia Washington. And I am fueled by the incredible support system of women who allow me to run ideas, cry, melt down whenever I feel overwhelmed.
Julia: I also wanna do a big shout out to our Patreon community. Thank you for your continued support. It brings me the greatest joy to bring you quality content and our regular get togethers. I love seeing everybody in the dms. I love seeing you all in our virtual meetups. I have to also do a big shout out cuz Kelly was our first Patreon pal.
Julia: So big shout out to her. And what better way to support our Patreon community than by supporting our members. So you should definitely follow Kelly. The content is worth it. No pressure, Kelly , but it really is. I actually took some of your reels and I was like, when I say we need to be thinking outside of the box about our story, this is what I'm talking about.
Julia: Thank you so friends. As always, thanks for tuning in until next time, and we'll see you in the dms on Instagram .
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