Harlem | 10
Show Notes:
Harlem is an Amazon Prime original released December 3rd, 2021, and 10 episodes of everything I hoped and dreamed a tv show taking place in New York would ever be; a show that makes me fantasize about living in New York.
In this episode, I am joined by Kachet Jackson-Henderson and this is a mostly spoiler-free conversation. Can you believe it??
Transcript:
Julia: Hey friends, this is pop culture Makes me jealous where we talk about pop culture through the lens of race or gender and sometimes both. And I'm very excited about today's guest. My friend, cache Jackson. Henderson is here and we are going to be talking about one of my favorite shows of 2021 Harlem.
Julia: Harlem is an Amazon Prime original, released December 3rd, 2021, and all 10 episodes of everything I ever hoped and dreamed a TV show taking place in New York would ever be a show that makes me fantasize out living in New York. Finally happened. But first, let me introduce you to my guest. Cache is a lifestyle content creator, creative business coach, and marketing consultant.
Julia: Her passion lies in inspiring others to live their best lives and pursue their dreams. No matter how big or small she believes in embracing the unexpected and giving convention the middle finger. She is also my friend in real life and I love when my friends in real life show up on the show. Welcome to the show Cache.
Julia: Yay, .
Kachet: Thanks for having me. I'm so happy to be here. Here.
Julia: I know people, friends at home. We've been trying to get cache on the show for a while, but she is busy making boss moves, so it's hard to like hammer down someone who's got c e o
Kachet: vibes. Oh, stop. Aw, it's true. I appreciate that girl. Thanks. Yeah. We're here, we're here to talk about Harlem.
Kachet: I'm pumped. Pumped.
Julia: When you, when you said you liked Harlem, like you loved Harlem, and I was like, I love Harlem. I, I was, girl, we gotta talk about Harlem .
Kachet: No, it, it's so good. And, you know, it, it was pain hurting, hurting my heart when I would, you know, people would be like, what are you streaming? Whatcha are you watching?
Kachet: I'm just talking with friends. That, or you're actually just being like, yo, have you seen this show Harlem? Mm-hmm. And they're like, what's that? And I'm like, you don't even know what it is. Come on. And I'm like,
Julia: yeah, I can, I
Kachet: can match people in my life to the character. So I'm like, you're so, you know, I don't, I'm Adam, but you know what I mean?
Kachet: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it.
Julia: Yeah. So friend, before we dive into our conversation about Harlem, this is a question I'm opening every episode this season with, because our theme as a reminder to everyone at home, representation of wealthy women in media. Do you remember what you thought of rich or wealthy women or what messages you received about wealth and money when you were a kid?
Kachet: Ooh. Um. I guess I'd say probably like my first impression of said was just watching soap operas with my, Hmm. I mean, I think just from like the opulence, you know Yeah. Of homes and, you know, that was kind of like the eighties to nineties transition. Mm-hmm. , so, you know, women seeming, while they're obviously was drama and affairs Yeah.
Kachet: But living, you know, relatively, I'll say lavish or, you know, comfortable lives if you will. Mm-hmm. , uh, was very, I'll say aspirational. Mm-hmm. for someone like me who likes to play in grandma's clothes and put on the jewelry and do all the things and try to look, you know, like so and so. Um, but definitely, you know, growing up I never went without mm-hmm.
Kachet: but I was always very mindful of, this is a treat, you can get this when this happens, you know, you need to work for it. So, um, Granted, that's thinking of, yes. If I'm thinking about myself as woman in media, like I definitely try to put myself in situations where I'm at, you know, adopting an abundance mindset and trying to impart that on those that I coach because mm-hmm.
Kachet: you know, I think there's been, you know, I'm not exactly sure how to describe this, but a limit I think, on how much you sh should want something. Yeah. You know, without being, like, not being humble, um, that was always a big word in my household as well. Mm-hmm. . And I feel like, you know, I guess my grandmother would call it boastful, but you know, now I'm in more of like a celebratory and sharing, like I said, of information and of said wealth with others.
Kachet: So anyway. Yeah.
Julia: I'm getting on a whole different tangent, but it's like, no, that's okay. That's okay cuz you know, it's interesting because when I, when, you know, when I think about my grandmother's generation and granted our, our grandmothers are probably of different generations. Um, cuz you, people like to have kids late in life.
Julia: In my family, um, , you know, there's this definite like, like they lived through World War ii, like my grandfather lived through the depression era and World War ii. So there's like the, there's this definite like, cause I always talk about how my dad's parents were very sophisticated looking, but like humble means, right?
Julia: Like, they didn't have a ton of money, but they looked like they, like grandpa was always isn't a three piece suit? Uhhuh
Kachet: very much like yeah. Uhhuh together in that side, for sure. Yeah.
Julia: And so it's interesting because the humble part of it too, like you're right, like there was this, you. you can want, but to an extent, right?
Julia: Like there's limitations. Because once you pass that limitation, now you're just a, a braggy brag, brag. And we don't, that's not what they called it, but you know what I mean? Like then now you're just absolutely mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm . And that's so interesting. That's so interesting. Cuz I feel like I'd be curious if men received that message, like in certain groups, you know what
Kachet: I mean?
Kachet: Yeah. So yeah, men weigh in if you're listening. . Yeah. . I'm always curious.
Julia: Yeah. Okay, so let's do a quick sim summary of Harlem. And I love to pull it from Google because I used to write my own, but then I thought, well what does Google say? Because if somebody type something into Google, what is
Kachet: Google gonna tell them?
Kachet: right. And y'all what it says.
Julia: Google did not have a lot. And I'm annoyed. This is literally the description. Four ambitious best friends, Camille, Ty, Quinn, and Angie navigate relationships and careers. That's literally it. That's not enough. That's not enough. I was like, listen, it's not, I'm db. I'm dirty too, with a very similar explanation and I was like, I'm not, I'm not a fan.
Julia: I feel like the show is very much more than one single line. The Hollywood. Very, yeah. The Hollywood Reporter said this quote, Harlem is retrofitted for a contemporary audience, hungry for self-reflection, served with a side of fantasy. The Ho end quote, the Hollywood reporter had a lot more to say, but I wanna talk about the show overall first.
Julia: What are your overall opinions of the show?
Kachet: I would say, well, I loved it, but besides saying I loved it, I loved it because it, I could, I could identify very much with the characters where I am in my life. I feel like those were, that could have been me and my friends on the show based on just our different personalities and our pursuits and.
Kachet: like even some, like some of the topics, like they just, they hit different part, different, uh, episodes during that entire season. Yeah. Hit a different part of me. Um, and it was nice to see that because, you know, I'll say it till I'm blue in the face. There still isn't enough representation of like black female friends.
Kachet: I'll just say blacks in general, you know, on popular shows. Mm. Um, and this show was just, this is a black show. Yep. It's an everyone show, but black, there's a black cast beyond, um, just the main characters. Mm-hmm. , although, you know, other groups are represented of course. But it's, it's nice because
Julia: I think it kind of also
Kachet: came out around the time that n just like that did.
Kachet: Mm-hmm. . And I think obviously all, maybe that's why no one really heard of Harlem for a moment because was going to that and you know, of course that's a whole different Yeah. . It's just, I'm not going there, I'm coming back. But even with, you know, I'm a black woman, us represented mm-hmm. within that show, this is a entirely different ballgame.
Kachet: Our eyeballs, our ears, our hearts, and. . Yeah, I was, I was about it.
Julia: Yeah. I fucking loved this show because I felt like it was exactly what I've been looking for, which is you have four black women living life like humans do. Right. Just and then, and then you have experiences that sort of maybe, okay, so like this is a racial thing that happened and because I feel like sometimes with what's represented in pop culture in black culture is that it's constant trauma porn.
Kachet: It's constant trauma porn to we're, we're never, um, I do I
Julia: say thriving. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Because it's like, oh, everybo, every time we leave the house, we're harassed. And like, right. You know, sometimes that's true and sometimes that's also not true. Right? Like there are days where like microaggressions exist for a reason.
Julia: Like that term exists for a reason because it's small. It's a bite sized, shitty situation. But with Harlem, it was like, you have these four friends, been friends since college, they're all having their careers, they're all doing a damn thing. And they are all so well developed. I thought. Like, you
Kachet: knew,
Julia: they, like, by the time you get to episode four, you're like, oh, Quinn's gonna have something to say.
Kachet: Yeah, .
Julia: And it just felt so exactly normal and natural and, and, and comfortable. Now I've never, I have not spent a lot of time in New York. . So I don't know about, you know, if that's really what life is in New York, but also we give grace to sex in the city for not being real, and people still love it. So I feel like we need to do the same for Harlem.
Julia: Mm-hmm. , if you understand the nuances and intersections of being a Bipo woman, a woman identifying a woman in a male dominated industry, and all the microaggressions that come with the daily existence in how media reinforces those stereotypes, but you still love pop culture, then pop culture makes me jealous.
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Julia: See you there. What character did you relate to the most?
Kachet: Going back, I'm dodging the question a little bit. , going back to what I just said, there were pieces of each of them, I think in me, right. Okay. Like, um, or that I saw. Um, so like Ty, who's very like driven and she's in like that startup world and very like boss lady and you know, almost a little stealthy in her approach with some things too.
Kachet: Mm-hmm. , you know, so from that sense I'm like, yep, I see you girl. I'm with that. Um, Quinn of course, I think a little bit when it comes to, I'll just say the, the, the way she carries herself. Mm-hmm. a little bit. . Yeah. Um, Angie, because obviously with her, you know, online social medianess at least Yeah. From the beginnings, even though we saw a little bit different side of her on the show, I'm like, you were the, the past, you know, the montages, but mm-hmm.
Kachet: And, um, I think Camille and she, to me, appeared to be more of like that girl next door a little bit. Mm-hmm. , um, you know, definitely educated, driven and all of that too. But still there's that innocence, or I'll even say a piece of her that doesn't seem maybe come across as seeing herself as worthy of certain experiences and things.
Kachet: You know? And I will just be honest, like, you know, just in my own growth stage, I could definitely identify with that. Especially as, you know, some of the, and even just, yeah, I'm getting too far ahead cause there's something else I definitely wanna address about this too, that relates to real life. It's just, yeah, it was, the writing was so spot on, you know, and I, I just, I really have to give credit to that because as much as I love the show girlfriends, that definitely was a comedy.
Kachet: Mm-hmm. and it was on prime time. It was just a different situation. But you know, this evolution. is very much, you know, appreciated by someone like me because Yeah. Again, it's the shows you just can't stop talking about.
Julia: I agree. I, okay, so first of all, Quinn was my favorite. . Yeah. Because I feel like she, like, they're all complicated characters, but I think that she was struggling the most because like she has the not to spoil anything.
Julia: And normally we're not a spoil free show, but I really need everybody listening who has Amazon Prime video to get on Amazon and watch it. She has this serious awakening that we get to witness for sure. And she, and she's just sort of like, I am just not sure. And Jasmine guy
Kachet: plays her mother, which I love how to bring that up.
Kachet: right?
Julia: I was likely Gilbert. We love you girl. Um, and so, so just to kind of see that sort of like transition from like the perfect girl. Who's got her perfect plan. Mm-hmm. and who's going to make things right. Who comes from a wealthy family and is very much like, I mean, her, oh my God, her clothes were so good.
Julia: Her
Kachet: clothes were so good. That's what I meant. Like she killes she carries herself like in my mind, like I, I want to or do dress like that under Yeah. Not covid circumstances. Yeah. You do have good style. You do have good style. Like I get out here, can get out. But, um, you, you're right, we do witness that awakening and I think why it's so beautiful is because we all have had the mm-hmm.
Kachet: we've had those experience or we're having them and we'll have another one. But being able to witness it episode by episode by episode. Mm-hmm. Plus, I guess the one spoiler I think might be safe to give is that she does come from more of a corporate world, go, but she's a boutique owner, you know, and.
Kachet: Even in that, she sacrificed a lot. Mm-hmm. , like that's a big leap. Like a lot of people haven't made the leap. Yeah. A lot of people won't make the leap, and again that's okay. But for, for her, I think, you know, she did that and while maybe it wasn't necessarily turning out how she wanted to on the onset as an entrepreneur, and I'm sure you did too, like you can relate to those ebbs and flows.
Kachet: Yeah. And absolutely knowing how tight she was to her family mm-hmm. and the show with that too was just like, uh, yeah girl, we gotta, we gotta get, we gotta, we gotta change some things.
Julia: Yeah. And they do. There's a lot of like single digit representation that's happening on the show too that I love. Ty is a business tech owner.
Julia: She's created this incredible app that's like clearly needed, um, in the community and, and so she's kind of, Position of like, she's dealing with people who don't understand the needs of the black queer community. Right. But she needs funding. So watching that process and seeing what, how she's able to sort of grow from there.
Julia: So that's a single digit representation. Mm-hmm. . And then, um, to go back to Quinn working in finance, she was a vp, like a, a, a junior v I don't know what kind of VP she was in finance. Like I cannot think of one single black woman who is in finance that gets public attention if there are any. Right. And then with, um, Camille, Megan Goods character.
Julia: The numbers of women, the digits, the representation of black women who hold PhDs is still really small. Mm-hmm. . So you have these aspirational characters because they're in places where we don't always get to see black women. Oh yeah. And that to me was also huge because I to one I toy with getting a PhD.
Julia: I'm like constantly on the fence about that because I love school. Oh yeah. And I love studying and there's so many things that I think that we could dive into that I. Defend, you know, working towards a PhD would be kind of fun for sure. Who, who thinks that's fun? This psycho .
Kachet: This psycho. Why? We love this psycho, and I'm,
Julia: why y'all listening , right?
Julia: And then I think Angie has this great value that she adds because she's, she's big and boisterous and her personality's huge and she's got this great creative spirit. Like I cannot be contained. And I love that because again, we don't get to see a ton of personal freedom when it comes to black women on tv.
Julia: You have to be like very withheld, like that whole absolutely. Concept of like free range parenting. Like you can't, like black kids don't get to experience necessarily. That and we don't get to see a lot. But those people exist. They exist. They exist. They might be the minority, but it's a little scary to be sort of that free, like in that way, you know, like the ones I can think of are all men, Jimmy Hendrix, prince.
Julia: Right. You know what I mean? Like they were sort of a different type of expression and started that path of, of acceptance of like, you don't have to be, you can be wild and free. Mm-hmm. , Lenny Kravitz is like a modern day version, but again, male. Male. So you have Angie who's like, I am an artist. Yes. Little diva type, but still like it works.
Julia: Yeah. And she leans into it and you just, by the end of the show, you're just like, I don't, I don't know who I love more, but watching it again is like,
Kachet: I fucking love Quinn . No, she's really great. But an
Julia: Angie is great too, and I.
Kachet: You know, I'll be honest, I wanna say maybe in the earlier episodes I kind of wrote her off a little bit.
Kachet: Mm-hmm. in my mind, like, I mean, she was part of the show, but I wasn't paying as close of attention to her as I was other characters. Yeah. But there's that turning point in the show y'all, where you're like, oh, okay. I get it now. . Yeah. And like I respect it now, you know?
Julia: Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Because I think what they do really well, and I found some critics who disagree, which whatever, but what I think they did really
Kachet: well,
Kachet: Mm-hmm. ,
Julia: what I think they did really well was we exist as black women and then here's some of the shit we deal with, right? But it's like we push it away. So then that way we can go back to being like our group of four, our support, our thriving moments. But there's still those small things that happen because again, I feel like there's so much representation in pop culture right now where like every black person that leaves their house is getting emotionally abused and beat up and you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Julia: And while that does exist, again, I cannot say it enough on the show, we are not a monolith right there. a multifaceted existence within the black community. And I feel like Harlem taps into that. It absolutely does. And even some of, I'll just say,
Kachet: um, I mean it's a little bit traumatic, but it's something that is real.
Kachet: Mm-hmm. And that is happening. Mm-hmm. and, you know, it'll be, I'm gonna, you know, no spoiler alert. Sorry. But it's
Julia: okay.
Kachet: I'll just say someone goes through kind of a medical gaslighting experience. Yep. And you know, that kind of hit a little bit home for me cuz I have a, like a new diagnosis of an autoimmune disorder that has had me in the hospital and the clinics and all the things a lot the past year.
Kachet: And thankfully like that hasn't, I haven't experienced it there. Mm-hmm. in that. But I have in like my life, I mean, I'm gonna be 30, I'm 35 years old. Um, and you hear about it so much amongst black women, like even. To me talking with my friends who are not black even. Um, you know, they, they don't have these experiences
Julia: Right. And I think her like,
Kachet: I'm not making this shit up. Like Right. This actually happens. And what was more with the whole medical gaslight, it was after one of the characters kind of ignored mm-hmm. some signs that she might not be all good, like she might actually need to go to a doc, you know, get that checked out.
Kachet: Yeah. Okay. Get that checked out, girl. You know, we all have said that at one point, but we've also been like, well I'm, as soon as I'm done with this thing mm-hmm. , and let me just go to this event and let me get through this launch. And it's like how often and I, you know, women, are we going to ignore the si the signals our bodies are giving us?
Kachet: No, don't. And don't medically gaslight yourself if you aren't usually, you know, having a period for two weeks and all of a sudden you are. Yep. Just go to the doctor and see what's going on. Um, you know that. Yeah, I guess that's more of a personal example,
Julia: but you know, but it's still relevant because I think what it high, to me, what it highlighted was just how complicated it is to be black acce accessing medical care.
Julia: Absolutely. It, I think it was nuanced in the way that it should have. It needed to be, it wasn't a heavy handed message of like, see, black people are treated like shit. It was a very real situation. It was a very real scenario. And even though I haven't necessarily been in that position directly, cuz I don't go to the doctor because I have had two instances where I'm just like,
Kachet: fuck you, bye
Kachet: Right. And yeah, you ain't going back after that. Mm-hmm. No, but
Julia: that fear that Ty feels, About finding out the truth. Who I was like, yep, I know. Yep. I've, I, I remember what that feels like. And girl, I'd have done the same thing. Catch me, catch me, catch me . Catch me as I fall and pray to God I got three girlfriends in the room with me, you know, advocating
Kachet: for me.
Kachet: Yes. Amen
Julia: to that. The other thing I wanted to mention too was, um, with Angie's storyline, again, it's so hard not to give away stuff and we're such a spoiler filled show sometimes, but I think you've sound pretty
Kachet: good on this episode. So you can, you can pour a little, yeah, pour
Julia: little out pearl. I'll pour a little out.
Julia: Yeah. So Angie gets a job that, um, is really fun to watch her go through because again, another situation in scenario, one of the characters on the show that she encounters in her new job is constantly using the term ghetto for things that are not like fully up to par, her standard. And that is a pet peeve of mine.
Julia: I hate it when people use that term in that way. It like, to the point where I've corrected people, I'm just like, Hey, you know, it's not cool. I have corrected people as well and I love how they unfolded that. Scenario because I was like, Ooh, Angie, girl, we got you. We got you. In no way. We've all been there, girl.
Julia: We've all been there. We've all
Kachet: been there. In pop, in private, and at work, and everywhere else in between.
Julia: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pop culture makes me jealous, is written, edited, and produced by me, Julia Washington. And I am fueled by the incredible support system of women who allow me to run ideas, cry, meltdown whenever I feel overwhelmed.
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Julia: It's a sharp, funny comedy about women who thrive, fail, and survive in the midst of our dysfunctional world. Like most millennials, Camille and her friends are obsessed with pop culture and Harlem delivers some true show within the show Brilliance End quote. So there have been a few tos that I have come across the, that have discussed how television and movies these days that center around black stories have a heavy handed message about racial issues.
Julia: And I wish I could find them, but TikTok is one of those ethers where I'm just like, if I don't save it, it's gone. , it's gone. Can't find it. Save a screenshot. Gone. Yeah. Later on in that Hollywood Reporter review that we talked about earlier, they offered this, when conversations drift away from the specificity of the four friends dynamic, the show falls into the trap of overly expository writing.
Julia: another quote within this quote. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. Westin Indian are beautifully complex and diverse. People whose cultural influence should be celebrated, not mocked, especially by fellow d Diasporan and quote in the quote within the quote. Mm-hmm. Quinn Quip, Angie, when the latter impersonates a Jamaican nanny to get a gig, none of what she says is untrue, but its blunt insertion makes it feel like a public service announcement instead of a natural part of an interactive flow.
Julia: End quote officially, end quote, Harlem was often compared to shows like Sex in the City, girlfriends, girls Living, single and Insecure. I, I have a point I wanna make about that quote that, um, yeah, let's go.
Kachet: So, ,
Julia: my, I feel like again, it, just because we're all black doesn't mean we're not all different.
Julia: Correct. And I felt like that comment that Quinn makes to Angie wasn't out of place because Agreed Quinn's character, her family is Jamaican. Yep. And so, or Caribbean, I think specifically Jamaican, right? I can't remember now, but I, they're Caribbean. Caribbean.
Kachet: And I wanna say that her act like, uh, grace Gilley is, um, from the, uh, Cayman Island humans, right?
Julia: Yeah. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. So she, so, so that's a completely different experience in, in culturally too. And the US didn't open up for folks from African countries or the Caribbean to come and immigrate here until like the sixties. Mm-hmm. . So that's another layer of a different cultural experience because you're literally banned from con coming from our country to this country.
Julia: So like, I didn't feel like. That was an out of place thing, and I felt like it lent itself to the concept and idea that we're always trying to harp on people, which is, we're not all the same, and not everybody understands that.
Kachet: Totally. I feel the exact same. I actually made a note to bring this up, so I'm glad that you, uh, you went into it, but Yes.
Kachet: Um, it, it was a needed quote. It was a needed moment. Mm-hmm. , because I remember even without the quote, I was ki that that was actually, even though I, I always grew to love, that was a cringe. I cringed during that whole time Uhhuh when she, you know, we'll say when she was playing that role. Um, and I know sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, but like, I also was like, uh, this is like so bad.
Kachet: So I, I, Quinn needed to say that. because, you know, I've seen it manifest itself in relationships that I have with people too. Mm-hmm. . So, you know, um, maybe not getting as specific, um, but also needing to be kind of corrected and like Uhuh Yeah.
Julia: What comes from, yeah, because it's a di like I have a friend who's, you know, mom is like in the sense of like, my dad were descendants from, you know, the enslavement era of this mm-hmm.
Julia: nation and our dad's literally from a West African country who was allowed to show up at some point in the mid-century because they finally opened borders. And so she even battles this sort of bicultural experience because like her. Experiencing culture and her mom's experience in culture aren't the same.
Julia: But people look at her and make assumptions. They look at her parents and make it and see, oh, you both have brown skin and make assumptions. And it's just, it's so mind blowing to me how we still don't have this under a greater, I mean, I'm not perfect. I'm still working on it too, but just that, you know, blanket statement, not all black people are the same guys.
Julia: great.
Kachet: Hello?
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Julia: you. In terms of the show's predecessors, because I cannot tell you I, every re review I found compared that this show to either Sex and the City girlfriends, girls living single, insecure, and like over and over and over again.
Julia: How do you think it compares to those to, because you're, I mean, to those shows, like what do you, how do you think it falls in? I think it stands
Kachet: on its own. I take think it takes, I think it's a blend of sex in the city meets insecure.
Julia: Mm. Throw in a pinch of
Kachet: girlfriends. Yeah. And that is, that's Harlem. Um, and I say that because, um, the way that they, even just from the, the cinematography mm-hmm.
Kachet: I'm, hopefully I'm using the right term, um, , but it kind of reminded me of sex in the city. And I don't know if that's like a New York thing or what mm-hmm. . But it did give some, um, I'll say light to kind of each character and allowed an individual story to develop, but also went very much back to kind of, you know, uniting them as well.
Kachet: Yeah, yeah. Um, so that kind of reminded me of Sex in the City, but I would just say obviously insecure with the type, with the characters, um, their own individual kind of flair, if you will. Mm-hmm. plus the music and the clothing was really good too. Mm-hmm. , you know, um, it just showed people that look like me and that are around my age really living their best lives.
Kachet: Yeah. Um, I feel like that was very r represented and insecure and comes even more to life, um, I'd say in
Julia: Harlem. Yeah. Um, yeah. But
Kachet: I do wanna say, while it does get influenced from, I'd say those of course, right. Just based on there's four women and we're doing this, but, um, I do think it sets the tone for future shows and movies that highlight I think black female friendships and, um, , you know, the black, you know, millennial professional.
Kachet: as well. Um, cuz like you said, there are certain positions like, you know, even with um, I'd say Quinn and Camille, like there aren't many seats at those tables. Mm-hmm. . So being able to see that insiders look at what it's like to be there. Yeah. I think, um, will give more visibility to other, I think industries too, um, when it comes to character
Julia: development.
Julia: Yeah. Yeah. So friends at home, if you have not seen the show, Camille is a, um, adjunct professor at Columbia, which is, you know, we all know it's part of the Ivy system, right? And it's like a prestigious school and they, uh, have some amazing talent has come out of there, et cetera, et cetera. And part of her story is that she wants to become an associate professor, which gets you off the tenure track or gets you off of the adjunct track and puts you on a tenure track, which is a little bit more job secure.
Julia: Not a lot of black women are in that position of being a tenured professor. Or on their way to being a tenured professor. Mm-hmm. . And so we see her relationship. First of all, whoopy Goldberg is on this show. Oh, how do I forget to mention that? ? I don't even
Kachet: know, but I fucking love Whoopy. I she energy. And honestly, as much as I love Camille, you know, some of that energy that Whoopy was giving her, she needed Yeah.
Kachet: She, she needed that kind of, I'll just say it fucking better term, tough love. Mm-hmm.
Julia: to kinda level up.
Kachet: Yeah. You know, she had been playing very safe in some areas, you know? Yeah. And cautious because of, you know, some past stuff, which you guys will get a sneak peek of too. Um, but you know, She needed that in order to really, I think, find her voice and find her wings.
Kachet: Yeah. But anyway, sorry.
Julia: No, it's okay. I agree. I completely agree. Because the person that we see, who is her advisor before Whoopee shows up, doesn't challenge, Camille, doesn't do anything but sort of like, you're beautiful, you're wonderful, you're so smart, right? This is great. You're doing great. But she's not helping her accelerate or even level up to the greatness she can be.
Julia: And then here comes Whoopy, who opens an actual can of girl, get your shit together. Mm-hmm. . And that's really hard to swallow. And it's, and that I really appreciated getting sort of. because I think about academia all the time. I think about, like I said earlier, going back and getting my PhD, I always think about like, well what kind of level would I would love to teach?
Julia: Like I love being in the classroom. And so seeing that dynamic, it was just like, oh, I've completely fantasized the idea of teaching at a university at that level or any level. That's a four year university. Yep. I didn't realize there's a lot of work cuz Whoopi gives her a straight up. You, you, you have all these great articles and all these magazines, but that's all pop shit.
Julia: Like where are your academic, where's your scholarly research? Where's all this? I would've a hundred percent been Camille. I've been like, well I don't know. I got picked up in pop sugar. Who cares? Like, that's good too. .
Kachet: Right, right. And I feel, you know, and some of that I was. again, we, we all, we all can take pieces of, of her, right?
Kachet: Mm-hmm. at different stages. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. I feel the same way about some of that stuff
Julia: too. Yeah. And I didn't put this in the script, but I was just like, oh, I should have put this in the script, but like a moment for all of the beautiful black men that showed up on the show.
Kachet: Oh, yeah. Pause for the, cause, you know,
Kachet: Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. .
Julia: I was like, ID love to be in this position. I'll take any of you. You're all gorgeous.
Kachet: gorgeous. Gorgeous. And, um, I'll say varied. Yes.
Julia: Right? Yes. I'd say
Kachet: from like Uber driver all the way to like, for, you know, top Chef. Yes. All the way to professor. All the way to, yeah.
Julia: Mm. and they, you know, they're flawed themselves, but they're not so flawed that you're just like, okay, get out with this boy.
Julia: Like, don't waste your time with this fool.
Kachet: And I think that actually is a big piece of, um, shows that have black female friends or women. There's all Yeah, that's the theme too. So let's give it up for the black boy Joy on the show as well.
Julia: For real. Yeah. And it was just, it was so nice to like see their complicated relationships, but then also these guys aren't trash.
Julia: Not at all. Not at all. And that's the other thing that breaks my heart sometimes about like, again, representation. Oh, I remember I was gonna say too, I was livid every time girls showed up as a comparison. Yeah,
Kachet: me too. So I didn't finish Girls full disclosure, but I've wa I watched half of it and I got the characters I got, I got it.
Kachet: Can't
Julia: compare. Can't compare because there's, it's such a different, Experience to me girls isn't a relatable show and shaking my head folks. Yeah. I hate watched it because I think I hung around for Adam Driver, which speaks to former toxic behaviors I had with men. That's
Kachet: okay. We'll have another show about that.
Kachet: Yeah. .
Julia: Um, and it just, it may like, it just, there's so many major issues and flaws with that show and I still don't know if it's because I'm not a fan of Lena Denim's work generally. Mm-hmm. or if it's just this show has a lot of issues and it's very
Julia: blind. Yeah. The only way I can say that without being too much
Kachet: of a dick, she said, blind your face. I wish you guys could see her face. Right.
Kachet: She's like, sorry. It had to be said.
Julia: It had to be said. I love, you know, I just, and, but again, I'll latch, I do latch onto stuff that takes place in New York City or like any big city, anything that sort of represents like, not live, like people who left their hometown and are trying. Right. Um, but yeah, I probably could have, I probably could have not watched girls and it
Kachet: would've been okay.
Kachet: Yeah. It's okay. You checked the box off. You're good. Yeah. You can watch again. It won't be on a marathon for you. No,
Julia: no because the characters in Harlem have self-awareness. They have understanding. And is it the potential 10 year age gap because, 20. And these women we assume are in their thirties, early thirties, um, whatever.
Julia: But the point is, is like they have more depth, they're still going through this self-discovery, but I just felt like they had way more depth and way more depth, way more
Kachet: likeability. Yes. For one another, you know? Mm-hmm. , which I think is important to see. Cuz you always have this narrative of like the angry black woman and mm-hmm.
Kachet: you know, com competition. Like they weren't really competing amongst one another. I will say I was glad that Quinn
Julia: another drop in the bucket for her. Yeah. But when she
Kachet: finally kind of like, made a little bit of a stand because she was feeling like, because of certain, you know, check boxes in her life and in her lifestyle, that almost like some of her quote, you know, drama or her plight wasn't as regarded amongst her friends or groups Cause Oh, you got so easy girl.
Kachet: Yeah. And it's like, Like, I got problems too. And it's, yeah. , and, you know, that was a very, I think, poignant moment for her. Um, and then to see it, you know, and feel it again, you're like, I feel like I've been, I've been the friend saying that, and I've been the friend hearing that too. Yeah.
Julia: Yeah. That's
Kachet: real.
Kachet: It is. So many. And I think that's really what it is. There were so many real life moments that you could really relate to from, again, the growth of self-discovery, um, friendship, needing to maybe say the things that are hard to say, but you gotta say 'em anyway from like, you know, a little bit of relationship, drama, you know?
Kachet: Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , wink, wink, Camille, um, .
Julia: But it's just like you.
Kachet: Again, I'll say it till I'm, I'm blue in the face. But it truly is like, there are so many moments, real life moments that you can clinging to mm-hmm. the show and it's so validating sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. You know, in different moments. Because granted, you have your, your real, I'm talking about my fr they're my friends.
Kachet: You have your real life friends and you've got, you know, all this. But then you also are able, again, to see it represented. And I think, again, this is just a moment that would not have been a thing 10, 10 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Even five years ago, people, I mean, we were really gonna go there. So,
Julia: I mean, honestly it's true.
Julia: You know, I, when I was looking into it more and I was paying attention to the credits more cause I re-watched it in preparation for a conversation. Amy PO's an executive producer.
Kachet: I did not realize
Julia: that. Yeah. I was like, okay, Amy, way to be an uplifter without fucking telling everybody and being like, he's so
Kachet: out me.
Kachet: I feel like she is quietly and a little And a little loud. Yeah. Which I do appreciate. Yeah. Can we like loan her? Thanks.
Julia: Right, right. Like use your money open. She's like, I'm telling them girl. Yeah. Yeah. ,
Kachet: which
Julia: I love. Yeah. There was some, you know, there were, people were critical of the show. I don't know if I agree and I don't think, I don't know if, I think it's fair because you can have shows like n just like that get renewed for second seasons and you're just like, really
Kachet: guys?
Kachet: Yeah. Like we, like we did it. We checked the box, we did what we needed to do.
Julia: Like we're really gonna give more weight to that. I know.
Kachet: Okay. Like I feel like they gave the people what they wanted and could have stopped. I mean, I'm gonna watch, but Yeah. Yeah. I would've rather, it would've be great to see another show like this come out.
Julia: Yeah. And you could do the similar concept of like being in your fifties without it, it could be couples.
Kachet: Mm-hmm. or least couples, but maybe there is a little more emphasis on, on like the women sometimes, you know? Yeah. It could just more black stories.
Julia: That's, that's the other thing that I loved about Harlem.
Julia: I felt like every woman had equal footing on the show, whereas like to me, sex and the city very much felt like this is Carrie's show and everyone else is just a side character. Correct. And I loved, I loved that because it was like, you get to know Ty just as much as you get to know Angie, just as much as Camille, just as much as Quinn.
Julia: And you see, which I think makes it a more well-rounded, balanced storytelling because for sure you really are getting those moments with them. The vulnerability I loved when. Uh,
Kachet: oh. Back to Quinn . There's an
Julia: episode. So Quinn meets this guy. He can't
Kachet: help it. Watch the show. You'll understand.
Julia: Yeah. Quinn meets this guy gorgeous.
Julia: She's not super thrilled about his career choice. She's not super thrilled about how they met. And so she's at this fundraiser and they're chatting, and everyone comes up from the campaign is like, oh, Quinn, we love your mom, blah, blah. She has a complicated relationship with her mother, which you're just like, woo.
Julia: And so even just throwing that layer in of like, Quinn has a complicated relationship with her mother, but literally everybody loves her mother. I know. So they're, they're like, oh, introduce us to this beautiful man. And she, and he, and What are you doing? And he goes to stage, she's like, oh, he's a, something a little bit more prestigious.
Julia: Does, you know, erases some facts about him because she's trying to fit this very, and I was just like, , uh, I would have done the same thing 10 years ago. . Mm-hmm. , Uhhuh, . Now I should give a shit. You treat me good. You look at me like I'm the hottest thing in the world and
Kachet: I'm cool. Yeah, I know. But I would have it previously too.
Kachet: Mm-hmm.
Julia: another moment. And then that creates that tension that they're trying to work through and watching Quinn work through, like, this was my expectation of life. You were not expected. And now I have to figure it out. Like, ah, it just felt so,
Kachet: I don't know.
Julia: You do know. I do know. It made me so happy. I'm also happy to report that there is a season two coming according to Amazon
Kachet: Prime.
Kachet: Yes. How can we get to the premier? I feel like we, this is, we need to talk about how we pitch this . Yeah. My specialty. .
Julia: How do we, do we reach out to Megan? Good. Do we reach out to Amy? No, you put, you reach, you reach out to
Kachet: Amazon. You gotta figure out who the PR team is and who's work and the red carpet.
Kachet: They have
Julia: such Figure that out. They have such a huge PR
Kachet: team. It's insane. They're gonna make me like, look something up now. .
Julia: there, like there's,
Kachet: what's production name called? Is it Amazon
Julia: Studios? Amazon Studios. Mm-hmm. . I just wanna hug Megan. Good. I just love her so much. I know. She's pretty, she's so, and she and I lo, that's the other thing with the flashbacks.
Julia: I love how they show the flashbacks and just how often the hair changes too. I was like, yes. Thank you. Yes. Cause
Kachet: that's so real. Mm-hmm. . It's so real. Yep. . She
Julia: her
Kachet: purse.
Kachet: I died.
Julia: I was like, I know people who do that too. ,
Kachet: right? My goodness. No, it was so real. I feel like I, someone should drink every time. Cache says it was so real. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I've said that like 12 million
Julia: times. But yeah, because it is, and it's, and I, I guess, you know, we're Jim.
Kachet: Yeah. I think it's just like, and I wanna hold it close and I'm so glad, like
Julia: you said, they're coming after for season two.
Julia: Yeah. I would love to ask them about what their inspiration is to create the, because their characters are each so unique from, you know, they're so different from each other and they're so unique. Unique. And you do get, like, you can see who sort of couples with who, like who kind of gravitates. But I don't know, it's still just, it just felt good.
Julia: It just was a show that felt good.
Kachet: It felt good. It hit at the right time for sure. Yeah. And um, kind of even at toward the end, made you really want to kind of assess mm-hmm. , like where you're at. Like what, what moves do you need to make? Cuz you've just witnessed four incredible women make
each
Julia: make one.
Julia: Mm-hmm. . Yeah,
Kachet: definitely inspiring. You walk away in, you know, obviously delighted and entertained, but you do walk away inspired. I think maybe that's why I'm so like huh, about it too. Yeah,
Julia: that was definitely Camille's storyline for me. It was just like, oh, am I surrounded by people who just think I'm, and at the time in the job that I had, I really and truly was surrounded by people who were just like so impressed with all the work that I was doing.
Julia: But then I'm like, well if I take this to a higher level company, I, you know, when I saw Camille's situation, it's like, I think I'm gonna have to work hell harder because these people don't do what I do. They don't understand what I do, and they think that what I'm doing is amazing.
Kachet: I know I'm phoning it in
Kachet: They ain't gotta know that though. They don't. I don't work there anymore. It's fine. Yeah.
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Julia: Okay. Final question. Yes ma'am. How do you think this show contributes to the representation of wealthy women? Do you think it's in a positive or a negative way?
Kachet: Um, I would say positive for sure. Maybe it is going back to a little bit of what I said in the beginning about, you know, staying humble but still having something too.
Kachet: Mm-hmm. being able to like both can coexist. Mm-hmm. and I think that Harlem did a good job of showing that. Yeah.
Julia: Yeah. So it kind
Kachet: of spoke to me on that level too, beyond just like said the inspirational
Julia: side I mentioned a minute ago. Yeah, I, I agree. I think it is a positive representation. I think it hits a couple of marks.
Julia: It's positive representation of women with both because you and with Quinn's Quinn, Quinn's mom, you know, she's donating to campaign that she believes in. So she's like, not just sitting on her cash being like, we're rich people. Right. Um, Quinn's business, her boutique, like for every sale she makes a donation to, I forget what, but like she gives back to the community in some way.
Julia: Um, so there's those factors. But then also too, like the, again, back to the representation of like, there's a lot of one like single digit representation happening here. Mm-hmm. on a bigger platform. You know, we're not seeing this stereotypical sort of careers
Kachet: happening. . Right. Which I love. And I'll also just add us a little tidbit on that.
Kachet: Like there also is a display of individuals relationships with money
Julia: too. Yes.
Kachet: Which I think is a big deal. Um,
Julia: yeah, that mindset stuff. The
Kachet: mindset. I definitely too, and here's another, like, spoiler alert, but you know, Quinn's, you know, has received assistance from her mother or her family will say when it comes to her shop sometimes.
Kachet: Mm-hmm. , you know, I think that that's a thing too in, in our community, whether it is borrowing money versus, you know, just the power that might, that. Goes with, you know, alone . Yeah. When it's, when it's from family, you know, just say, call it what it is. You know? You see how that can be something, um, that can, I don't wanna say hang over your head, but kind of in Quinn's
Julia: situation, it feels heavy.
Julia: It feels definitely made her feel
Kachet: heavy. Feels, it feels, if yes, it does not feel light for her, that is a burden.
Julia: Yeah, that's a really good point because I think, you know, as we, as people go and educate themselves about the disparities between, you know, non-white people and white people, there is a lot of heavy emphasis on, you know, the differences in, in ability to generate wealth and then having generational wealth.
Julia: Right? That is true. That exists. That is real. It also is true and real and exists that there are very wealthy black people in the world. . Mm-hmm. . And we don't see them on TV a lot unless they're a basketball player. Right. A rapper, you know? And, and, okay. Those that exists.
Kachet: Yeah. But that's not all that exists.
Kachet: That's not it.
Julia: Mm-hmm. . Right? Because at some point in the show we learned that Quinn has had a relationship in the past with a.
Kachet: Beautiful black man. mine. I was like
Julia: closer. Uh, hello. How
Kachet: are you?
Julia: can't, like, first of all, where do I need at Dallas? That's where I need to move . Oh. Because when I was in, when I was in Dallas, LA last May, everywhere I went, I was like, look at all these beautiful men
Kachet: like
Kachet: There, there are a lot of attractive men here in Dallas, I'm not gonna lie.
Julia: Yeah. It's like everyone wants to equate beauty with California, but holy. Like my, um, sister, like the best of
Kachet: California's relocating.
Julia: There you go. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, my sister-in-law went to dinner one night and I was like, this, this is like, ha, like there's a group of beautiful, there's a group of beautiful men like Dallas.
Julia: You're a sleeper. Okay. Yeah. Anyway.
Kachet: The Awakening has HA is happening right
Julia: now. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . But anyway, he works in finance. This former Yeah. Love of Quinn. You know, and again, you know, it's like we don't see that a lot. We don't see, it's either some big sports person or some musician, which is fine.
Julia: There's nothing wrong with that that exists. But I also wanna know that like my , my fantasy of meeting a black British banker can exist .
Kachet: Totally. And it can in this world. Yeah. As it
Julia: should. Yeah. I am kind of curious to know what Quinn's family does, because they never really speak of what business her dad is in.
Julia: Um, but we do know that it has, you know, I know it's created an, an exorbitant amount
Kachet: of wealth for them. And do we think it goes back a generation too? I mean, I don't know why I get the vibe that it is, um, generational wealth combined with. Higher ed, you know, education and, you know, I don't, is Quinn's dad a doctor?
Kachet: I, you know what? I
Julia: don't think they ever say, they don't say do they? I'll be curious to know what they add in season two. And I didn't add this in there, but what would you like to see in season two? Um, because it ends with a pretty good
Kachet: clipper . I, it does, I was gonna lead with it talking about Quinn again, but, um, , I want to see more of her cuz like I, she was the one who I think had the, the multifaceted awakening.
Kachet: Mm-hmm. . Um, you know, I just wanted, I want to really pick up where we left off. I hope we don't fast forward any years or anything like the, the story was ending, like, okay, what's next? Yeah, like, don't try to like catch me up in like one episode on
Julia: the past three. The first time I watched it, the way that it end, it, it, this big thing happens and then it went to credits and I was like, oh my God.
Julia: And then in the corner it was like a different show telling me was gonna play next. And I was like, oh my God.
Kachet: You're like, how do we end there?
Julia: You are.
Kachet: So re because
Julia: I know have so many questions, um, because you're right. I would like to see, like Quinn kind of has this revelation that she comes to and makes this big gesture.
Julia: And I'd love to see that resolved and I'd kind of like to see her fumble through it a little bit. Yep. And get it wrong
Kachet: for sure. And yeah, I feel like she will, I feel like they'll do that.
Julia: Predictions folks. Yeah, we're making predictions. And then with Camille, that's sticky, that's a sticky one. I don't know, I don't wanna speculate there because that's sticky.
Julia: But with Ty, Ty's got, you know, her business. She's sort of made these revelations about how she interacts romantically with people mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. and a previous relationship that sort of popped back up that her girlfriends didn't know about. Um, yeah. And, and that sort of, kind of ended in a very big question mark, so I'm curious to see how they resolved that.
Julia: Um, and that was a really good example too, of a situation that could have been resolved if she had just gone to this person and said, what is it that you want? Correct. And instead she's listening to outside sources and, and, and sort of buying into this mentality of like, everyone's out for my money.
Julia: Mm-hmm. , which I feel like, you know, you are a little bit more protective when you've earned wealth yourself and you are a black queer woman. Like that's a. There's a lot of like hurdles in front of you, so
Kachet: Yeah. You're gonna wanna hang on at all. Um, and
Julia: so I thought I really appreciated how they handled that complication because you, you're just like, the whole time you're just like, girl, just talk to 'em.
Julia: And then you're just like, well, that person , you're listening to
Kachet: the wrong person, . Right, exactly. And again, going back to how many, how many of us can relate to that? But we've been there, we've done that. Mm-hmm. , we've done that. How often have we just not, you know, gone with our
Julia: guts? Yeah, yeah. For sure. I gotta
Kachet: say the, say some certain things.
Julia: Yeah. Like I said earlier, Harlem was one of. If not my favorite show of 2021. Amazon has a thing where they typically drop every episode, um, make every episode available when they release a show. So I hope that stays true for season two. I wanna binge . I know, I just wanna, and like I literally did. I started it at like five o'clock at night.
Julia: They're like 40 minute episodes,
Kachet: so, uh, . Yeah, I watched it over a weekend, so, yep. I'm with you. So funny. Sorry, I didn't mean
Julia: to interrupt, but I'm just like No, you're fine. Put that, put that in the universe for all of us. Yes, yes. Cache. I'm so glad I finally got you on the show. It always makes me happy when we can chat in real time versus voice memos and dms on Instagram and I love those two, but this is way better.
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Julia: yeah. Yeah. And my
Kachet: dog. How could I forget to shut out? I was getting to see like, you're forgetting. Where's
Julia: the, the ruler of my heart? Yes. That little cute beci piss.
Kachet: I know. He knows that.
Kachet: He's so handsome. It's so stupid here talking about the, the damn dog. But he went to the vet yesterday for like, his wellness visit and to get like seven vaccines cuz you know, we, we had to get 'em all at once. Like we're not going in piecemeal anyway. Every he goes in. Oh, Rudy. Oh, it's Rudy. Oh, you're just so handsome.
Kachet: Like they just get gas him up. I'm like, No wonder he acts like he runs the house cuz they shoot like he's freaking royalty. And it's everywhere we go. Doesn't matter. It could be the vet, it could be Petmart, it could be just walking. Aw, you're so cute. And it's almost like he does like his little trot, even like harder.
Kachet: Like, I see you looking
Julia: girl. He's like, I know. I'm cute. Thanks. I know I'm,
Kachet: I'm sexy. Yeah, I know it. Yes. He really is
Julia: cute. The new song. Yeah. I hate some stories. Okay. Enough about Rudy . Oh, I love it. We are, we are pet friendly here at pop culture. Who jealous. Josephine has been heard in the background barking several times.
Julia: Um, and she does my video recaps on the weekends for with me. She hates it. Every time I turn on the camera, she's like, don't you dare bitch . She knows
Kachet: what it is. Just like Rudy knows I'm on the phone or on laptop. He's actually at daycare right now, so I'm gonna go, we'll come up to we're done. Um, but yeah, it's just, it's, it's just so funny.
Julia: It really is. Anyway, friends, like I said, um, we're gonna link everything so that way you can keep up with Cache and get, and
Kachet: Rudy, I'll share his Rudy too. Perfect.
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