Bridgerton Pt. 3 | 18
Show Notes:
Melissa is back! And this time we are talking about episodes 5 & 6 of Bridgerton.
Transcript:
Melissa: Welcome back gentle listeners. We are
Julia: at part three of bridge written here on pop culture. Makes me jealous. I'm your host, Julie.
Melissa. And I are talking episodes five and six and it turned out to be a rather short conversation, but it's jam packed with so much, be sure to stay tuned until the end. I've got some details to share. This episode of pop culture makes me jealous is brought to you by Modesto reads that has to reads as a community on Instagram highlighting what people in the city of Modesto, California are reading.
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Melissa: shell.
Julia: in episode five. They're there at this point now where like, you know, we open up and Daphne's like, oh, they think they've shot her. Like, oh my God, this sta just sitting here watching this, like, um, okay. And like in their
Melissa: defense, the aiming quality of a gun at that point in time, so terrible that he may even talk about it.
Like, well, where should I aim if I only want to injure? And the doctor was just like, if you think that you can control the aim of a. You are, you are not
Julia: greatly mistaken, gravely mistaken,
Melissa: sir. Like that's not. So it's kind of funny that they do think that they hit her on both accounts. Like they thought that they aimed that well, that they hit her and they.
That they actually hit
Julia: something right. In general, these guys they're so pretty. Thank you. Thank you, Netflix and Shondra, Sean Deland. Anyway, I digress. Um, so, you know, then we get into episode five and we have lots of things happening, right. So now it's, you know, Daphne's made the realization at the end of episode four, that summer.
Alice knows that they were in the garden together. So now that changes the game, they have to go through with this because now she really does run the risk of being ruined. And that's why she goes to try to stop the duel. And then we opened with, you know, they think you shot her, blah, blah, blah. But additionally, in that we see sort of over episode four marinas, like, oh, Colin Richardson, Okay, hold on.
I'll call in Britain. Yeah. So she's sort of develops this scheme to entrap Colin Richardson, but, but now, but Penelope being in love with Colin, but also having have developed a relationship with marina is really, really struggling with that. So now we have these two. So in my mind, episode five is when it really starts to get interesting because it's like.
Well, what's the duke going to do now, because are you really going, let Def, like, are you going to let this little rumor mill person ruined Daphne on your fault? Cause you don't strike me as the type of guy who's gonna let that happen. And to like Marina's scheme, like Holland is just please just so cute.
Melissa: Poor Colin is so cute and so dumb. I feel so bad for him, but also like, like, yeah, it's a mess up thing that she's trying to trick Colin. Okay. But like, this is kind of just a product of the game that they're all playing and like, does she want to hurt Collin? No. Does she want, like, she would actually like very much to marry Colin, whether she was pregnant or not.
Right because he would be a good man. He would be a nice match and he would be kind to her. And that's really the underbelly of all of that is that whether there was a pregnancy there or not, she would want to make, I think that she would want to match with Colin. And I still think that, that it would be, um, like this conflict between marina and Penelope and Colin, because.
That could still happen, whether the pregnancy was there or not. Right. Right. But because we've got this pregnancy now there has to be a lie and now it makes it even more
Julia: tanky feeling.
Melissa: Because now we've got Penelope knowing that her friend is lying to the person that she loves and he got like, she can't have the person that she loves and it's just like,
Julia: yeah, you really feel for marina because earlier in the episodes, a lady Farrington sort of forges this letter, Telling marina that her, you know, her love her beloved George is doesn't want her, it doesn't want her and is like, basically like, that's your problem and base totally abandoned answer.
And based on what we learn in earlier, episodes that doesn't jive with the way that marina portrays the relationship. And so when that happens, you kind of feel for her because there really isn't because. Lady feathering 10 is trying to like match her with somebody to make this go away really easily.
There's still hope for me, there was that this guy is going to show up and be like, marina, I'm back from battle. I love you. Let's get married. This is exciting, blah blah. So there's still that little bit of hope. And then when that letter comes, you're just like, what is happening? And then we learned that, you know, lady feathering 10, because
Melissa: she's a veteran.
Julia: Like she's desperate bitch. The desperate bitch. That's like, that's the kind of pitch you don't want to get involved with. Someone's desperate run. Real, real facts right there.
Melissa: Like straight up, but no, like it's sad that she's trying to trick. It's just sad for all of them all around. Like it's just such a crappy situation.
And the fact that marina has to.
Julia: Sure she has no other option. She has to get married. She literally has no other options. Yeah. Like
Melissa: what she, what she going to do? She's going to have this baby out of wedlock and then she'll never, ever, ever get married. Right. She will literally have to become a. That would be the
Julia: only other option.
Right. And we see something similar happening like that in Downton Abbey, but that's a whole conversation for another day.
Melissa: I love that storyline. I love that they put it in there, but it's just like,
Julia: so in that also, so now the duke is like, okay, let's get married. Let's do this. But grudges.
Melissa: Yes, he's agreed.
Well, he he's been told that they are going to get married. There was no proposal. Like
Julia: this will happen.
Melissa: Like it was, he tells her I can't, I, I have too high of a regard to marry you. You want children? You want that. And I can't give you that. I cannot give you children. Yes. I cannot have children. That is what Daphne is under the impression.
Cause I'm telling you that's it. That's how he says it. And so she does. The noble thing. And in my mind, that's exactly what she
Julia: did. Yes. She makes ultimate sacrifice.
Melissa: She makes the ultimate sacrifice and she goes, but I love him. I love him. And you know what? We could just be happy and it's fine. And I'll, I'll, I'm, I'm okay with that and then says for both of them, We're getting married.
So now he's like, now that we
Julia: can agree that we will not have children because you cannot have children, right.
Melissa: That's fine. We're going to do, and he's just
Julia: like
Melissa: a shit.
Julia: Aha. And then spend like the next three days hella drunk. Like that's not. That's not what it, that's not pre wedded bliss. It's not a good sign. It's not a good sign. So they're trying to get this special license, right. So that way they can get married quickly. So that way they can quash any potential rumors because that blonde chick basically threatened to them
Melissa: that.
We're Brooke got to bury her to be engaged to her. Just what,
Julia: two weeks, two weeks prior. I don't know. Something like that. So then to get this license again. Yeah. But this time it's denied. Cause you know, the Queen's mad because she's not, he's not marrying, she's not marrying her nephew. So when they go to the queen to make the plea and you know, Daphne's just struggling to be convincing.
And then here comes the. And he just is girl. Oh my God. I was like, I want somebody to speak like that about me.
Melissa: Get someone that speaks about you the way like the duke speaks about Daphne and you are golden people. It's such a good speech. It's a really convicting one,
Julia: a lot of conviction in there. It was hot.
It was really hot. Then you have this preparation process. So the Queen's like, okay, that's fine. If you can find a relationship on friendship, that's great. Cause you know, her relationships basically crumbling. And so she's feeling and so. I wasn't there at the mode beast, and they're talking like, so there's all these like honeymoon references that start, right.
So they're at the boat Easton, Madame Delek watt is like, oh yeah, we'll make dresses. And you know, her mom's like, oh yeah, I'd probably five. And Daphne's like, I don't need that many night dresses. And they're like, they're not for you. Just confused. Like, what
Melissa: is he gonna
Julia: wear? Like, no one bothers to explain it to her.
No one is like, oh yeah, this is nighttime expectations.
Melissa: No one says anything. No one, you know, lets her in on the secret. No one lets her into the, into the joke, you know, nothing. And like, oh, we all know that feeling right. Of like everyone knows the joke. Like you don't understand it. And no one tells you and no one explains it to you.
And you're the odd man out. But like this isn't a joke. This is real life. And she doesn't know what she's expecting. And now they're giving her like all of these nightgowns that she is supposed to know what they're for or like. Or actually she's not supposed to know what they're for. So it's actually better that she is so naive.
Right. But like that would just be a horror. That's a horrible,
Julia: that's a horrible feeling because then there's this constant comments up until we actually get to. The wedding night where they have people make these implications. It happens again at the wedding later on. When someone makes a comment about the queen, the queen makes the reference about the wedding night and Daphne's just like, I don't understand.
Like, she's just so confused, but you can't ask the queen to clarify.
Melissa: No, you sure can't, she might be the mother of your country, but she ain't your
Julia: mama. When Daphne tries to like, she's feeling overwhelmed and I escaped the reception and then her mom comes find her. And in the awkward
Melissa: conversation, I just felt so bad.
Julia: Like girl, like you are not preparing your daughter for whatever. Expectations, her husband who's clearly had sex with lots of women, um, may have, and that's just such a disservice, especially when you're that young. Well, that, and then
Melissa: like the, the speech that she gives her is like, so not helpful, like is, it is like the most.
Uninformative piece of information I've ever heard anyone say in my life, I've never heard anything so ridiculous. And like, there's a point where she's, she's even taught. She starts talking about it. Right. And she tries to say it, but you can't say it. You can't say she can't say the word. So then she tries to compare it to such, she tries a comparison to the bat that hounds will.
Do you remember? Yes. Yes, yes. I remember that then, you know, and then it's like, it's like it dawns on her as she's talking to Daphne. Oh, well, you know, no one had to explain it to the hounds, like right. They just knew what to do. And then there were puppies and then there were unmasked and that's how it's going to be for you.
No one needs to explain this to you. There will be a baby.
Julia: We have to explain this because you have to consider your courses. You have to consider like, well that, and then,
Melissa: and then not only that Daphne is under the impression that her husband can't have
Julia: children.
Melissa: And so does that mean that they are going to have marital relations?
Wait, what if we can't do this thing that I don't know what we're supposed to do, but he says that he can't have kids. So that must mean that he can't do that thing. Right, right. That would be the logic for me not understanding anything. Right. Like, well, if he says that he can't have kids, that means that he can't do the fit.
Right. And so whatever this thing is, it doesn't really matter because we're not going to do
Julia: it then.
Melissa: Uh,
Julia: it's just so cringey, because you're just like this it's like, like you said, it's like being in on a joke that no one's explaining to her. So then when they like leave and it really was sad when they like depart from the family, because she's gonna be leaving this loud, robust home to go.
And just being heard and Simon like servants, and it's just been quiet. And then,
Melissa: and then there's still all this tension between her and Simon too,
Julia: because
Melissa: they both think that they've trapped each other,
Julia: which is so funny.
Melissa: That's so funny. It's almost like gifted the match. I, you know, that story where, you know, and it's kind of like the same thing, like, well, I gave up this thing for you.
Well, I gave up that thing for you. Okay. Like it's kind of that same thing. Like they just, each thing that they trapped each other at this moment where they, when they both actually both want each other.
Julia: Right. Which leads us to episode six, episode six is titled swish, which I thought was appropriate. And it's, I'm just going to read the description from IMD B.
Cause I felt like this. This is a really good description on her honeymoon. Daphne discovers just how uninformed she is about the particulars of sharing the marital bed.
Melissa: That is the biggest understatement I've ever heard in my life. Yeah.
Julia: So then they get to. Cliveden and the housekeeper wants to give him a tour and Simon's like, no, I got this.
You know, which, Ooh, that's kind of, you don't slight the housekeeper, but he, but neither of them understand that, right. Because they're both new in their roles and they've never really had like, yes, they Daphne's been bred to be a beautiful wife who can run and manage a household. Maybe they didn't consider on the scale of, you know, being a Duchess.
The duke really doesn't have an understanding. What it takes, we really learn and understand. We really learned that in this episode that he just doesn't have any understanding on his region of the land.
Melissa: I'm really trained. It's like going in for a job that you never got training for, and then being expected.
To do
Julia: it perfectly.
Melissa: How do you do that? You can't, you can't do that. It's not, it's
Julia: not a, it's not. Okay. Um, and then, you know, she's just kind of, I feel like she's in over her head personally, and the housekeeper does these subtle slights at her, these judgements where you're just, I, they could be microaggressions or you could call them passive aggressive.
I feel like both would work.
Melissa: Yeah, I think so, too. And like, It's hard to watch some of it because like Daphne, feel she, when she first gets there, you can tell that she feels really prepared like that. Her mom, mama taught me all of these things and I have done in my whole life. I have dedicated myself to doing these things and being good at them.
Right. I am a good one. Like I was the diamond of the, of the season. Yeah. I, of course I'm a D like, I, I am prepared. I can do this. She tried. I don't think that she's saying anything that she's saying, like, to be like snooty or like, it was more like, almost like a child saying facts that they know. Oh, like, oh yeah.
I read about that too. And like I read about the history of the club that, yes, that was actually part of my studies and I really loved Biden and I did extra studies on this, whatever. Not attention seeking. It's not like she's not being rude or snooty or anything. She's really proud of herself. And then they just knock
Julia: her down.
Yeah. Yes,
Melissa: yes, yes. Yeah. They're like, they're really, they're harsh with her. Like
Julia: they really are. Oh, the scene at the fair. I didn't write this in the notes, but like when, uh, You know, she's like, oh, all the pigs win. And everyone's like smiling and clapping, but it's so unenthusiastic. And then she doesn't understand like, Because she's new.
And so it was the duke, like how are they to know that whoever the winner is, is going to be the person who can supply, you know, meat to the, to the Cliveden house or whatever it's called for for a year. Like that's a contract that you win. Like they don't know those things.
Melissa: And they think that it's just like a contest of who has the best pig.
Right. Fun times
Julia: right now. Oh, what I forgot to bring up though, at the end of season, episode five, when they finally. Do it.
Melissa: Oh yeah.
Julia: And like, again, sorry, mom. There's just like, when they get all passionate and they're really getting into it and it's just like, you know, this romantic scene with their music, whatever, pull
Melissa: down.
Okay, hang on. Can we talk about, this is the most realistic imagery of pulling out that I've ever seen in my motherfucking life. That is 100% accurate. If you are pull out fully yet and you don't look like that, you're not pulling out.
It's true. It's true. And then I love,
Julia: and she doesn't think there's any difference. She doesn't know that like that's like, that's how you do it. That's how you do it. Like
Melissa: we do this and then, and then I do this then, and I love when she asks, does that hurt? Oh,
Julia: She does. She
Melissa: asks.
Julia: Yeah. And he's like, oh no, it feels as good as it feels for you or some shit like that.
Melissa: Right. Like, no, it's not in his defense. Like he's still finishing.
Julia: Yeah. And he, and she doesn't understand that that's what you need to get pregnant. Right. She has to understand
Melissa: that that's actually the ingredient.
We're wasting the ingredients here,
but like, I love what she asks him about and he lie. Yes. Which
Julia: he just, oh man. And it's just so frustrating cause like this. Okay. All right. Listen, I, you know, there's a lot that we can talk about in episode six, but at the end of it, I think it's at the end of episode six when she, yeah. So it's at the end of episode six when she realizes like, what, what is cause he's done this enough times that she's starting to kind of be like, um, to your point when she asks, if that hurts and then they're in his study and he's got like tissue and she's very confused at why, like, what is this, why
Melissa: isn't this tissue tissue?
Right? Like,
Julia: So then she goes to her lady's maid and is like, I don't really understand what's happening. How do like children get made? And so, you know, we don't see them have the conversation, but now we know that she knows how it's done and now she feels like ultimately betrayed because the entire time he's like you said, I cannot give you children, which to me means you're not physically capable.
You're sterile. And so that was a thing that was a thing. And so her utter disappointment and learning, it's still a thing. So her utter disappointment and learning that her husband is choosing not to give her children and saying it, like he says to her. I was prepared to die in that field rather than marry you and take your dream away.
I would have died for you, but you were the one. And I stopped there because I was like, are we redirecting blame in this fight? Because I feel like,
Melissa: oh yes
Julia: we are. Yeah. Cause you're the one Simon. You're the one who said, I cannot give you children, which is totally different from, I won't give you total.
Melissa: It's very different. Like, I don't want children very different from, I cannot have them and he, he manipulated her
Julia: 100%.
Melissa: He didn't manipulate her. He didn't manipulate her to marry him. He manipulated the situation for her not to marry him and it didn't work. Like that's interesting. And I definitely agree that it's totally redirecting blame because he got caught.
Yeah.
Julia: So in that scenario simultaneously, so, so then there's that scene, is it in this episode where she just like takes matters in her own hands and like, yes. So number one, I'm just going to have to tell my mom, she can't listen to this episode. So number one, I, I don't know if I've ever been able to.
Without my partners, without my partners help flip them over. You know what I mean? Like that's always been a, I've never had the strength and she's, she's a tiny little nugget, so I've never physically had the strength, even when I'm like in the heat of fashion to like flip someone else over, it's always been like a shared, you know, we're, we're sinked shared.
Okay. Okay. So when that scene happened, yes. And so she's now like, okay, I'm taking matters into my own hands to see test my theory because my husband's a fucking liar, which apparently in the book, by the way, because that scene was very controversial. She basically takes matters into her own hands. She gets on top.
She. Allows him to complete inside of her. And so I'm so uncomfortable talking about this clearly. Um, and so, you know, after the fact people, the internet lost its shit, cause they're like she sexually assaulted him. Like that's totally not okay. Blah, blah, blah. But apparently in the book I haven't made it there, but I was reading an article about it apparently in the book.
When they have the fights back and forth about like never having sex again. And, you know, she's going to move out of his, out of his room and into the judges chambers, which I thought we'll put a pin in that. Um, and so she takes the matters into her own hands. And does that in the book, apparently in the fights that they have, he threatens her with like sexual assault by like still taking her when he wants.
Apparently I haven't made it there, obviously I've only chapter three. So that's what this article says. So that element is not in the show where he's like, basically at least I didn't pick up on it. So then for her to sort of initiate the situation and then the internet loses its shit, half the internet.
It's like she sexually assaulted him. And the other half of the internet it's like, but I just felt very, like I was in the camp of. She's trying to figure out whether or not her husband is a liar. And this is the only way she knows how
Melissa: I, so like I read that article in cut. I want to say
Julia: it's in pet magazine.
Melissa: Um, and I I've read that article. Um, after I watched it the first time I watched this whole thing, uh, the first time on
Julia: new year's Eve, I watched him go anywhere. So watch.
Melissa: Richard. Yes, I watch, I watched bridge written in my bathroom and then my husband played video games until midnight, and then we, the weakest and then we went to bed.
It was real boring. Um, but so I watched, I watched it the first time and I was like, oh, this is interesting. Okay. This is an interesting scene. Then the article came out super irritated by this article. I was super heated. I was super heated by it. I've read it again, and I'm not so heated by it because I understand where they're coming from with it.
Here's my thing, Hollywood and any big budget production company has made money for years. Creating content, exploiting women being raped, being violently,
Julia: violently assaulted. Okay.
Melissa: Like, I mean, perfect example. Game of Thrones. We've got girl with the dragon tattoo. That entire series is, I don't care who likes it.
I think it's garbage. I can't even get through. I can't even get through eight minutes of it because it was it's so. Graphic. Okay. And the list the list goes on and on me, and you could make an entire
Julia: entire season of a whole
Melissa: episode. There is literally, there was literally an award out there. There was an award out there for producers that choose not.
To exploit women and choose if they go any other different direction, besides exploiting violence against women, there is a literal award for it because it's done so little that we have to entice people to make different contents.
Julia: Yeah. I don't understand why that type of.
Melissa: Because it's a fetish.
Julia: It is a fetish and it's really upsetting.
And I was talking to my friend about this too. Like I'm tired of, I can't do shit right now. I just can't like, I'm tired of it. When, when it comes to the black community, stop telling us we started as slaves, stop giving us slave narratives, movies, and TV shows. Like I understand that that's our history at the start of America or since 16.
Like I get that, but I can't take it anymore. I need black jokes. All that, like, give me my romcoms, give me my like, like stop with like the, we only get the trauma of our community movies and TV I can't anymore. So I understand I can. Yeah. Yeah.
Melissa: So we've got that. That's been, I mean, since the beginning of Hollywood, this has been a thing.
So why are we fucking freaking out right now that a female asserted dominance in the bedroom did not assault him? Did not assault him. Did not hurt him. Did not. He never, he never went. Grimaced backed away said no gave any type of body language that that's not what he wanted to do, that he wanted to stop.
There. There was no indicator that an assault was happening. And I'm not saying that if those things don't happen, that there is no assault. I am saying that the way that this was portrayed, it was not
Julia: assault.
Melissa: Right. And this was a female figuring out biologically how a baby is made. Like wanting to know and kind of prove a theory to herself is lying to me.
If I do this, is he, is he going to get mad? Right? Am I going to, is he going to get caught up when I do this? And then he did.
Julia: Right. And so now she's in this position of like, I, I feel, you know, cause in the week, like we mentioned before, they talk about, you know, they have this implication that they are avoid each other and up to the wedding because they feel like they're in trapping each other.
But now she really does feel like she's been in trapped. Like now she really does feel betrayed because he wasn't honest with her. Nobody, nobody was honest with her about how children are created. And so now it's not just. Being mad at Simon. It's also being mad at her mother. And we later see in episode, I think it's seven when she's just mom, like borates her mom.
And then they have these like moments back and forth in episode six, besides that situation happening. We have marina and Colin sort of creating the scheme to go to Scotland to get married because they can't get married right away because of the processes that goes into getting married. And they're not going to get a special license, yada, yada, yada.
So in the fight, in, in a dinner scene where assignment and. Daphne, you're fighting, whistled down, shows up and you know, she's reading that there's, Marina's pregnant. And she has been since she showed up to London. And so now it's already known Collins and she ain't calling her engaged each other. So she's like, we gotta go.
So Simon's like, should I come with you? And she's like, it's up to you, bro. Like, so now she's just like, fuck you, Simon.
Melissa: Yeah, it totally is in like, I love that. He's like, He's like mad at her. So he's mad at her for the whole sex thing and trying to get pregnant. So we're mad at her. Yes. But we don't want her out of the bedroom. Right. And we don't, and we're definitely not separating households.
Julia: Right. That's the thing. Right.
And then he also says like, I'm not letting you out of my sight until we know for sure. You're not with child, which that was.
Melissa: What even is that what sense does that,
Julia: right. So now you have to go with her to London to save face for the family. Right?
Since this recording, I have finished reading the duke and I in the fight that Simon and Daphne are having after she learns of his massive lie. I can say the duke does threaten Daphne with taking her whenever. But what does it say about my mindset that in this fight they were having, I didn't bulk at the Duke's behavior, is it because it's 18, 13 and women were still actual property.
And I expected this type of behavior of this era, is it because he is childish and juvenile
Melissa: and selfish, and
Julia: this type of action attitude is expected of shitty men. So I, maybe I just wasn't suited. Whatever it is when I finished the book and revisited this topic, I hated all of it.
Melissa: Icky to the core. I have a lot
Julia: to explore and grow from here.
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