Thelma & Louise | 28

Show Notes:

Pop Culture Makes Me Jealous and To All the Men I've Tolerated Before team up to bring you Still Comfy? a show that examines pop culture properties and whether or not Julia Washington and Natalie Katona are still comfy with them.

In this episode, the pair discuss the 1991 film, Thelma & Louise, starring Susan Sarandon and Geena Davis. 

This episode aired on September 5th, 2022.

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Transcript:

Natalie: Oh, 

Julia: it's we are live. Welcome everybody to still comfy with Jules and Nat. Today, we are talking about Selma and Louise I'm Julia Washington. Your host of pop culture makes me jealous where we analyze pop culture through the lens of race or gender. And sometimes both I am joined by Natalie Catona. 

Natalie: Hi, I'm Natalie Catona host of two.

Natalie: All the men I've tolerated before a podcast where every Thursday you get to hear my thoughts on every day misogyny . So 

Julia: what perfect movie that we should talk about then Delman Louise. 

Natalie: well, yeah, yeah. Mostly because Louise is tired, like all 

Julia: of us. Yeah. So let's do a re a quick, cuz this movie's 21 years old.

Julia: Let's do years old, quick summary for everybody who maybe haven't seen it in a while, or has no idea what we're talking about. Thumb and Louise. Here's the summary two best friends set out on an ops. This is from Google and I've got a bone to pick. Here we go. Two best friends set out on an adventure, but soon turns around to a terrifying escape from being hunted by the police.

Julia: As these two girls escape for escape for the crimes, they committed girls. Cause you know, they're not pushing 40 or anything. It's fine. That's fine. Anyway, this movie did receive six academy award nominations and one for best original screenplay Ridley. Scott was nominated for best director and both Susan strand and Gina Davis were nominated for best actress.

Julia: I do wanna sh give this quick note about what rolling stone said about the movie in 1991, call it a comedy of shocking gravity. Th and Louise begins like an episode of, I love Lucy and ends with the impact of easy writer. It's a bumpy path between those points and director Ridley, Scott, and first time screenwriter, Callie, Cori.

Julia: Don't sure don't cushion the ride. The film switches, moods violently, and sometimes it Chis your chain, but this movie di this, but this is movie dynamite, detonated by award caliber performance from Gina Davis, Susan strand in the title rules. 

Natalie: Yeah. Yeah. If by rollercoaster, they mean that in the nineties, every movie was too long and we could have done with some editing.

Julia: This one was only an like an hour and 

Natalie: 45 minutes. No, and it wasn't, it was two hours cuz you know, I checked because I believe that every movie should be a cool 90 minutes. Oh, 

Julia: I guess I see. I didn't feel like it was too long. So why don't you start with actually, I don't know. This answer was this the first time you've seen Thema Louise.

Julia: This 

Natalie: was the first time I watched Thelma and Louise all the way through and not just clips of Thelma and Louise from VH one S we love the nineties. Nice. I'm really mad that I was a child during the H ones. I love the nineties because I would've killed on that show. Yeah. I would've killed on. I love the two thousands.

Natalie: I love the seventies. I love the eighties. I. Fucking killed on those shows, but instead I was a child. So VH one, if you ever wanna make a comeback. Yeah, 

Julia: let's do it. Okay. So as an adult for the first time watching it all the way through and not just clips from VH one S I love the nineties. Tell me what you 

Natalie: thought.

Natalie: First off, Brad Pitt was ugly when he was younger. I, 

Julia: so don't agree. My mother agreed 

Natalie: cuz she called yesterday, right? I think in the middle or maybe towards the end of me watching it. And I was like, young Brad Pitt is scrawny and he has a shitty face and she's like, yeah, I don't agree. He has a shitty face and he is scrawny and he is not the Achilles Brad pit that I knew him to be for my entire adolescence or so I wrote down on my notes, I will now choose to believe and rewrite history that legends of the fall is what actually made Brad pit a sex symbol.

Natalie: And not this movie. Uh, it did. 

Julia: Thalman Louise make Brad pit a sex 

Natalie: symbol. That's what I love the nineties from BH. One said button to make noises. 

Julia: all right, Penelope. This time you can't kick me out of the broadcast cuz it's mine ma 

Natalie: well just crater, whole her like a baby, like my sister tried to. Yes. 

Julia: So I bet you know what?

Julia: I bet I bet it's because it's that scene when they finally like, when Gina finally. When a Louis Thelma finally gets done, right. Thelma's first orgasm. I feel like that's probably the scene that everyone's because that scene, that opening of that scene is kind of steamy. So that's probably what it was.

Natalie: This movie really hit home that I, myself, in the Louise, like you, I think that everyone like prays that they are the Thelma in the friendship because they get to fuck Brad pit and like get wild. I am the Louise. I am the one who is constantly looking at you going that man. Ain't shit. And then when he steals our stuff, I'm like, oh, if only someone would've told you that he was mediocre and then , and then I am also the one who is.

Natalie: Watching men harass you at a bar and you giggling at it and being like that's harassment oh, 

Julia: no. Louise. You're just so jaded from waiting tables all those years. Oh, no. Louise is not jaded. She's just very well in tuned with hum human behavior. And 

Natalie: honestly, more people should have listened to her because I wrote down multiple times, Louis, it hasn't even gotten better.

Natalie: it hasn't even gotten better when she's like, we don't live in the type of world that believes women about what they go through. I was like, we still don't 

Julia: you know what, you know what the Atlantic did an article, um, that said that basically was like, this movie has aged really well. Okay. And that's actually not a good thing, because that just means that we haven't done anything in the last and this article came out at its 25th anniversary.

Julia: Um, and it, and basically saying like, we haven't done anything in 25 years to improve because that scene where. Th was like, we gotta go to the police, we gotta tell the police. We can, we, you know, the police will understand and da, da, da, and Louise is like, no, no, that still happens. The police, like the way we see these cases handled in the news, it still attacks women.

Julia: It still makes women out to be the bad guy. It still makes it out. As you know, she did something to deserve it. She was egging him on because you know, Louise flat out says, you know, everyone's gonna be, what are they gonna say? You were in there hugging on him and kissing on him and dancing real close.

Julia: Like, what are they gonna do? Like what are basically, yeah. 

Natalie: What is the man's name? Who we murder 

Julia: Harlan. 

Natalie: Harlan. I would like to point out that police and FBI put on a lot of effort to avenge the murder of a man named Harlan, who was like shot down at a bar. I'm like, I also don't feel like that's 

Julia: realistic.

Julia: Well, and then the waitress at the bar is like GIS wife, because he steps out on her all the time. 

Natalie: in this icon, that waitress, because like, she, she brings the vibe of the women's restroom out to the world, Uhhuh . So she like, she titles up to that cop and he's like, well, you saw him come out, uh, with two women.

Natalie: And she's like, they're not the murdering type. And that's all what we always say, ladies. Like if we watch some misogynist, walk out into the parking lot with two women and he don't come back, we're just like, they seem like the nicest, they tipped me real well. They prayed before their meal. Like, no, at no point do we just go.

Natalie: You know what Amy, they did do it. No, that's not girl code. That woman understood girl code she knew it was up. 

Julia: And honestly they weren't the murdering type until somebody tried to rape Thelma, sorry, content warning. Oh my 

Natalie: God. Yeah. And then for whatever reason, probably because I've only seen clips from, um, VH one, I thought they murdered her useless husband.

Natalie: I thought it was a Earl had to die situation. 

Julia: No mm-hmm which brings me to my next question. Which man was more trash Harlan or hell 

Natalie: they were all tr no number one. Jimmy was not 

Julia: trash. I say don't you don't you don't, you dare drag Jimmy's name through the 

Natalie: mud. Jimmy's a hero. Jimmy's a fucking hero.

Natalie: Jimmy's the only man who's allowed to use the hashtag. Not all men. Okay. He's the only one that put in the work. To use the hashtag. Um, my first note about the husband Darrell was I love that men trap us into wonder how I think it's. 

Julia: Go ahead. Keep talking. 

Natalie: I go, I love that men trick us into mirroring them just to then be so put out by our mirror existence.

Natalie: Like what was Thelma doing? She was just in the kitchen. she? Well, here's the thing 

Julia: she said. She tells JD played by Brad Pitt that she would, they were married at, she was married at 18 and they dated for four years before that. Oh yeah. Darrell. So you were 14 years 

Natalie: old when you met the love of your life.

Natalie: Put 

Julia: that shit in air quotes because there's no, there's no fucking way. There's no fucking way. 

Natalie: I would like more context on how old Darrell was when he started grooming Thelma. I was just like more context. Yeah, 

Julia: because here's the. Here's the thing Darrell's gross. We 

Natalie: need to remind the listeners that if you are live, we can't see that you're live, but we would love to tell you hello.

Natalie: So make sure you comment. 

Julia: Oh yeah, you have to comment. We're using a third party streaming app. So you, we don't know that you're here until 

Natalie: you tell us you're here right above my head. Mm-hmm 

Julia: um, the whole time Darrell is trash and he's so awful. And then like, she just.

Julia: It might be too early to get into this, but like my favorite part of the movie is Thelma's evolution because in the opening scene, when well, not the opening scene, we're at, when they're at the bar before the big thing happens, mm-hmm and Harlan comes over. He is like, Hey ladies, how y'all doing tonight?

Julia: And, um, you know, Louis is like, we're fine. Thanks. And, and Thelma was like, oh, you know, I'm just 

Natalie: going out. And I haven't been out my husband, this and Louise is so married. It was the first time boyfriend there had ever been in a restaurant for real. 

Julia: And then by the end of the movie, she's like, you know what, fuck this shit.

Julia: I get it now. I think I'm, she even said I'm awake and it feels great. 

Natalie: I'm awake. And it feels great. And I think I'm gonna hold up a gun to a cop and put him in his trunk. I was like the. Elma . I will have to say that. Good on Louise and good on Susan for continuing to support women throughout the entire two hour movie.

Natalie: Mm-hmm because after the Brad pit, no, it was before the Brad Pitt fiasco. At some point I was like, I would've had to cut Thelma loose I would've had to go to Mexico by myself. 

Julia: even, even though she is your BFF 

Natalie: forever, you know what? I don't even know if that was established. Okay. They were going on a weekend trip because Louise had a contact for a cabin and we've all been there.

Natalie: We've all been on a trip with people that we've barely know because someone has a cabin for free. There 

Julia: were a lot of references throughout the movie that indicated to me that they had been really good friends for a long time. You know, 

Natalie: I'm sure that they had been good friends for a good time. Number one, my best friend would tell me, copy loose.

Natalie: If that's how I'm acting. If you need to get, I texted her in the middle of this movie. I was like, I'm watching Thema and Louise for the first time. And I need you to know that if we murdered a rapist, we would handle it way better. Cool. As a cucumber, we wouldn't even have given a fuck because we're dead inside.

Natalie: And she's like 100%. I go, we would've just done it, but like, cool. I guess that's what happened. Got into the car. And like, I guess we're going to Mexico. And then we would put on like, now's greatest hits, 14 greatest hits. And we would've just rode into the sunset, forgetting that man's name, forgetting that we even did it.

Natalie: Like, or my favorite plot device could be, maybe you should at least try to tell the P police because they were the only two out there so they could have said any lie. Yeah. They could have said that he lunged for her again or whatever self-defense I heard gets you a lot. 

Julia: and that's what Thema, that was Thelma's argument.

Julia: Like, if we, like, where were the only two out there? We could say whatever. Like, she basically says that to Louise and Louise says no, which brings us to the point where something happened in Texas to Louise. Yeah. And she didn't wanna talk about it, but Texas gets brought up again. It's almost like it's another character in the movie because they're in Oklahoma and she's like, you gotta get, figure out how to get us to Mexico without driving through Texas is like, I'm sorry, do you not know geography?

Julia: Cuz that's 

Natalie: not possible. Honestly, I wouldn't have, so I would've been like, what do you mean we can't do it? what do you mean? Because I have to imagine that you would have to go to the states that are above Texas. Swing into California. So you can go you to Mexico. You 

Julia: can go to Louisiana on one side or what's on the other side of Texas.

Julia: I looked it up earlier. Cause I was like, wait a minute. I feel like you to circumvent 

Natalie: that entire top portion of the state by touching. Yeah. 

Julia: Because the shape of Texas too, the way Texas is shaped is like, even after you get out of, um, Oklahoma to get like, you'd have to go up and around, right. So you either have to go back into Arkansas, down into Louis.

Julia: There's no way you'd have to go all the way to the west, to New Mexico. 

Natalie: You'd have to go all the way. Yeah. Um, and I understand that, I understand that Louise has also lost her entire faith in humanity and the law and the government. And I'm like, same. I mean, I guess I too. And then like when Mexico didn't become an option, I was like, y'all just changing your entire projection.

Natalie: And go to Canada. They don't even, they don't even think you can give, throw 'em off the head. Just go, go north. mm-hmm just go north, go straight a little bit and then just go north. And then they're confused because they're convinced that you've only been going south to Mexico, 

Julia: to Mexico. Yeah. Damn. JD is the one who gave him away 

Natalie: again.

Natalie: Fuck Brad pit in this movie. He wasn't even good looking. He didn't even fill out those jeans. Oh, he had like, for one, at some point I was like, he looked like he doesn't have a snarl tooth, but he looks like he has a snarl tooth. Like one day he will have a snarl tooth and I'm like, well, there it is. I'm like, what the hell?

Natalie: Listen, 

Julia: I don't agree. So if you're listening out there, do you agree with Natalie? 

Natalie: I wanna select Brad pit, Brad Pitt. I, I would sleep with Brad Pitt today. I would love to trip over Brad Pitt today trying to make a phone call. I would look, my 

Julia: favorite was my favorite was when he's like, oh yeah, you know, I'm a, my parole officer and she's like, oh my God, are you at a criminal?

Julia: And he's like, no, I'm not a criminal. I just did some running over. And then like, and then like, like, like you think it's okay to leave $6,700 on the bedside table when somebody just told you that he's like literally knocked over every kind of convenience store from here to wherever he's from. That's what I wrote 

Natalie: down Eggo Thelma.

Natalie: He literally tells you that he robs people and then he's gonna 

Julia: Rob you. And they foreshadow that with the ring when he's like, oh, you're at the advantage when they're playing that hand game, he's like, let's just remove that real quick. He totally stole her ring. 

Natalie: Not great, not great. Um, also I love that the cops like knew him.

Natalie: They were like, come on, JD, sit down, tell us about Mexico. And then I almost did believe the other, the like main cop when he was like, I can make this better for you. You just have to start cooperating. And I was like, this would be the time. Yeah. To strike a deal. If you're gonna strike a deal. Mm-hmm because part of the advantage of no one taking women seriously is that they will write a story in their head that we accidentally murdered somewhat mm-hmm

Natalie: And then we were so flustered that we got into our car and we drove away from it. And then we got even more flustered. So we accidentally robbed a gas station. so, and like, you can play that to your advantage if you're next to an old dude who may or may not arrest you. And you're just like, you know, you know, I just got so confused I just got so confused, 

Julia: especially if you look innocent and pretty like they did.

Julia: Yeah. 

Natalie: Hi, Mario. Yeah, if you are Gina Davis pretty, you can get away with anything, including shooting some guy down in a parking lot. 

Julia: Here's my favorite. Here's another favorite. I just love this movie so hard. They describe Gina Davis's character as being five, 10 she's, six feet tall in real life. She's so.

Julia: Fucking tall. So I, the whole time I'm like, oh my God, she's never actually standing next to anybody in this entire movie. They have her staged in a way where she's never directly next to somebody that was genius, 

Natalie: but they, but she's always looming over Susan Sarandon. I was like, this almost makes it worse because it, it makes like, because she is so tall and I get what they're trying to do, they're trying to offset it.

Natalie: Like they did the same thing with Patrick Swayze and Jennifer Gray, because it turns out that Brad min and Patrick Swayze aren't seven foot tall. Like the movies would have us believe. Right. So then you have to like, be like, well, ladies can't be taller than the Leany man. And then you gotta offset it. I was like, she literally looks like she's Loomy over Louise, the 

Julia: entire movie.

Julia: See, I didn't, I didn't get the loo, but maybe because I've been watching this movie for 20 years, maybe. 

Natalie: and I don't think that, um, a league of their own, for some reason, a league of their own, and maybe it's because Tom hates is almost as tall as Gina Davis or taller a league of their own. You hardly notice her height.

Natalie: You hardly notice it. But this movie, I was like, look how fucking tall Gina dates . 

Julia: Yeah, because in a league of their own, they have kit and heels and things like that. And the girls and other heels and stuff. And she's the catcher. So she's always in the squat position. So that changes it a little bit too in the, in the dis distances catching like this.

Julia: Yeah. She's she knows better. She knows not to catch the ball like that. Um, But in F and Louise, cuz they're in cowboy boots. So she's in flats and then mm-hmm, , you know, Louise is in cowboy boots, which don't really have a lot of heel to 'em. Right. Um, I mean they have a heel, but not the same what they do. I don't know.

Natalie: Um, can we talk, I wanna go back to Louise and what a drag it is to be the friend who already knows. So like you are Louise mm-hmm and you've got this boyfriend he's Jimmy, you're pretty sure he's mediocre, but you like wake up every day knowing that you wake up every day, knowingly Jimmy may or may not call today.

Natalie: He's pretty mediocre, this, that, and the other. And then you're looking at your friend Thema. It is a drag being a friend, watching their friends in like marriages that aren't abusive enough that you can like call a hotline about it, but you're just like watching it. And then, and it's like, What if you got to freely enjoy yourself as an adult woman, which is something clearly Thema wasn't getting to do.

Natalie: Because every time she breathed Darrell yelled mm-hmm and like, even though way, like she's just wrapped up in that bathroom and she's like, Darrell, I just saw maybe you would like some tea. He's mad at her for asking he wants tea. He's just like, I'm sorry, Darrell. If you need two hours to make yourself into a human being before you have to go to work, wake up two hours earlier.

Natalie: Like, I don't understand why you're griping at all of us. And then there's Louise and you call your friend and you're like, I'm ready for hot girl. Shit. How about you? Mm-hmm and it's a drag. It is a drag to hear your friends go. I don't know. I haven't heard, I haven't even asked my husband. I am that bitch who tells you, like, since, when do we ask men anything, let alone permission.

Natalie: They, 

Julia: but to Thelma's credit, she, she goes 

Natalie: anyway. Yes, she goes anyways, but it's still, but then you put her in a car with Thelma and it's gonna be fun. And we got good tunes on the, in the car and we're going, you know, to the woods, we have a net and a lantern to indicate we're camping. And then you get to a bar and your friend Thelma, all of a sudden gets into like hot girl season.

Natalie: And like, then she completely starts ignoring you for the next mediocre man that approaches the table. And you're just like, it is a really fucking goddamn drag being me because you're clearly not getting what you want from your marriage. So now we're just gonna get. From a guy named Harlan. And I had to spend my evening babysitting you because you don't know that this Harlan guy is clearly a creep.

Natalie: And then she's just sitting there. She's like, I guess I'll have a Mar you know, and she's like sipping her Mar yet they left those drinks unattended. I was like, that's a big 2000. 

Julia: I know. So thought I was like all the joys of 1991, I guess 

Natalie: that's a big two thousands. No, no, you, you get a cup with a lid, you take it to the dance floor and I couldn't humble, but think I was like, God, it is, it is just a drag to be socializing the way that Louise is forced to socialize because she quote unquote knows better.

Natalie: It's like when we all woke up to capitalism during the, uh, pandemic, but then you went to your boss and he still wanted to play by capitalism rules. And you're like, Fuck I'm onto your game. yeah. That's Louise withy. Men who are clearly skeezy from the jump, but Thelma just doesn't have the radar for it.

Natalie: She's like, he's not good Thelma. And she's like, I wanna dance. I wanna have some fun. I wanna, I wanna take, um, some whiskey with a Coke back and 

Julia: mm-hmm, not just any whiskey wild Turkey. I want someone which is like the most disgusting whiskey of all time. It's cheap as fuck 

Natalie: EST. Fuck. Okay. 

Julia: So I will say this in Thelma's defense, you know, she was groomed at 14, married 18.

Julia: So she's not as emotionally evolved as Louis's she's, you know, controlled. And this is, this is such a, this is such a strong, this is so typical. This, we see this a lot and I don't know about. In the Midwest, but where I am the Midwest of California, I see it a lot where a lot of women they have, oh, we've been together since high school and aren't we so in love and their husbands are just trash and this is a reoccurring theme.

Julia: And I think that's why Elman Louise holds up so well because this type of narrative still exists and it's still accepted, right? It is still accepted to be in love with your soulmate at 14, get married at 18, be completely naive about the world and let your husband control everything while he's also controlling you and treating you like garbage.

Natalie: Yeah. And I'm saying that that is why it's a drag to be the person. I tell it to my therapist all the time. I'm like, you. Now how last week you, I said it's really hard being the coolest person in the room. It's also really hard to be the most healed person in the room. And unfortunately, Louise had to heal through a lot of shit that a lot of women do, but once you heal from that shit, you do have a whole new perspective.

Natalie: Mm-hmm on the world and how it treats women. And what happens when women are victims and all of it. So for me, that's to all the men I've tolerated before, what have I done for a year? I've grieved, I've reflected, I've thought deeply, I've met likeminded people, and then you go out into the fucking actual Midwest and you you're looking at people and you're like, that's how you're gonna be treated.

Natalie: That's how you're just cause he got you a trinket and put a ring on it. You're gonna be undervalued every day in your home every day in your home. It's 2022. 

Julia: Yeah. Well, and it's a lot of like that mentality or that you haven't, we, a lot of folks haven't grown from that mentality. I see that all the time with it.

Julia: And I think we've had this conversation before, like when women still sort of uphold the patriarchy yeah. And, and, and, and buy into it and don't really see foundation of it. And you're like, what? Yeah. And it's kinda like, you know, that, you know, that we don't have to exist this way. Like you're playing into the game and it's frustrating.

Julia: Um, and that's, you know, that's hard too, but what I loved about Thalman Louise is while to your point, you know, Louise is probably like, this is hard. I appreciate though that she did stick with her friend's evolution because it is really easy to be like, okay, you're not ready. We're not in the same place.

Julia: I'm 

Natalie: out, I'm out. And luckily through robbing a convenience store, he gets with it. But then also , but then like, It still was such like a, like at some point I really was in Louisa's shoes and I had to think with my open smart healed brain. And I was like, this girl is a liability I could get to Mexico. I could be living the life that I wanna live, or I don't wanna live, but I've shot a man.

Natalie: And this girl is a liability and we're in the ear of our Lord and savior 2022. The apocalypse is nice. So we all have to start making those lists and it's like, who's a liability. And who isn't because the zombies be coming or the playing or the, you know, the button with the big booms, just like any of it.

Natalie: And I look at Penelope, so. and I'm like, you won't even get into this fucking cat carrier. And one day I might have to board a motherfuck train with you to try and get us out of this country. And you're just sitting here being salty. And I have to think about that every day. And at some point I was like, like my logic cap record kicked in.

Natalie: And I was like, film's a liability of Louise. You gotta cut her loose. and take Jimmy to Mexico with you, because let me tell you ladies, if you call a man or if you text him on your phone, you're like, I did something. It was bad and I need money and he doesn't just go, okay, how much? And he doesn't ask you any stupid follow up questions, like, well, what did you do?

Natalie: How bad is it? Is it truly that bad? Are you sure? You're just having anxious. Then he's not the motherfucking one. he's not the motherfucking one. When you get the phone call that says I did something, it is bad. I need money. You will never hear from me again. The only acceptable answer is okay. yeah, that's what I'm 

Julia: saying.

Julia: Like, don't, I hate on like, you're not hating on Jimmy right now, but you you're earlier. It's like, cuz he does pull through, he might, you know, in the early part of the movie, they're just like, they're mad at each other. We don't know why they're fighting. We don't know why he and Louise are having a riff, but he fucking pulls through for her in a way that it's just like unconditional because he's, you know, it's almost like he knows and understands, like he's not getting this money back.

Julia: He probably is never gonna see her again. But he is making a last ditch effort and he's supporting her through it and loving her through it anyway. Well, and 

Natalie: then I also wrote down, I was like, Louis. I think, I don't even think I was talking to Louise at that point, cuz I don't know her mama. I was talking to everybody that I know.

Natalie: And I was like, you don't call your man for your getaway money. No men be reckless. I go, you call your mom, your unhinged aunt. like, we know who we call when we gotta have getaway car and getaway money. And it's not our man, it's our mom or our unhinged aunties. Because what I have learned as I get older is that they have lived through some shit and they won't ask questions.

Natalie: They'll 

Julia: be okay unless it's 

my 

Natalie: mom. No, not, not over there on Nala's mama's side of things on Nala's mama's side of things. We send money. We ask questions later and we hope to hear from you next Christmas. Not 

Julia: ours, not ours. They do not do that. That's the kind of mom I am though. I'm like, it's like, I need money.

Julia: Okay. How much is this enough? Am I enabling? I don't know, but here's the thing it's really shitty to justify why you need money. It is like, don't put people through that. You don't know what's going on in their life. Just know they 

Natalie: need for taking one more rapist off the streets, 

Julia: right? Like, come on. And the audacity of this man, who's when she's defending herself and he's like, don't you talk to me that way?

Julia: I'm sorry. You are going to do something that should be very intimate and personal and loving. Yeah. In a very aggressive way in a parking lot. You don't get to talk to her that way. 

Natalie: The audacity of men. The audacity. Um, 

Julia: that's our first, still comfy merged the audacity of men, 

Natalie: the audacity. Um, because I will say that what I appreciated about the triggering scene is that for someone who hasn't lived through anything like that, that is what I imagine it to be.

Natalie: Mm-hmm I imagine it to be, you were hanging out with someone you knew and all of a sudden, a flip switched in their head and they got volatile and they turned ugly on you. And it didn't matter what you said or what you did, if they're stronger, bigger, or honestly will just hit you first, then they're gonna get the upper hand.

Natalie: And unfortunately, when it comes to mental and emotional games, that will be played in my, um, relationships. That is how it goes. It goes, Natalie tries to assert herself and be like, hi, over here, I'm strong and I'm my own person. And then the person who feels fragile about that has to get the upper hand mentally, emotionally mm-hmm

Natalie: Um, and luckily I've never been in a physical situation like that. But when I think about all of the things that we've talked about onto all the men I've tolerated before, the more that I go. Okay. So in the nineties we had to concentrate because I feel like assault was a big plot point in the nineties, but as like a negative plot point, not like in the sexy way, that games of game of Thrones tries to throw it off.

Natalie: Like, Hey, we took someone without their permission again, Hey, it's still icky. But then we gave her dragons. Yeah, 

Julia: I'm sorry. It's still icky. Regardless 

Natalie: of century, it's icky. It is the year of our Lord and savior 2022. So in the nineties, I truly feel like the only way that we could get across that women are treated badly in our society and culture is by hitting and assaulting them.

Natalie: Mm-hmm . And then that would leak into the two thousands with our lovely PSAs of like, don't leave your drinks untended, right. That we walk in at dark. Why are you walking at dark, put your 

Julia: keys between your fingers, walking 

Natalie: numbers? Because we have lived through the nineties media of what do women do in movies.

Natalie: They get hit. And then in now in the upper twenties, I feel like abusers are just so sneaky about it now. Yeah. And then we have to start portraying, like, okay. So what does it look like when someone gets in your head and starts fucking messing around with you? Like, what is it like the gas lighting and the manipulation and man narcissism that women are going through in their relationships.

Natalie: like, it's all partnered. It all started in the nineties with Thema and Louise mm-hmm and every line that Thema or that Louise says in this movie has not budged one millimeter right. Of when she was saying it in the nineties. 

Julia: Right. Well, and to your point, I think, you know, in the nineties we were in a position to actually start telling those stories, but we were telling 'em in a way that was shocking.

Julia: Okay. And then over time, because the more the stories are being told, the more nuanced they can get, because now we're getting, we, the, the groundwork's been laid now, the path has been paved and we can start having more of that, um, in depth conversation, what are the nuances? What does this look like when somebody does play your head games?

Julia: Because I'm pretty sure Darrell was playing head games with Louise, her entire life. That just, would've not. Been as easily understood until we start with the violence and then work our way backwards. Mm-hmm and that's where we are now. I think with the work, our way backwards, um, portion of it, where we, we can get into that point of like, here's like the psychology behind it, because now we have studies.

Julia: Now we have these conversations. Now people do feel more comfortable and confident coming forward and speaking about their experiences. And then how do we translate that into a version of 

Natalie: art? And I do get, uh, that, like that scene with Jimmy, the last scene with Jimmy and Louise, when he comes and he brings the money and you find out that he was gonna marry her mm-hmm and it's like, he might not be the best guy, but he is the guy that loves you the best or whatever.

Natalie: And you're just sitting there and you're like, well, Louise, I've been there too. I've been there too, when you're looking at the fool and you're trying to suss it out and you're like, well, do you love me? Is this a mind game? Is this just some power play? Because someone before me made you feel fragile, did I make you feel fragile?

Natalie: And now you gotta take me down one because I've been in the, take me down one relationship too. And for all of that to come out and for Louise to not have the resources to actually heal in the way where she like, and Susan Seren does a great job of flipping that switch in that same tune when she actually realizes, oh, he wasn't running around on me.

Natalie: He wasn't staying away from me because he's no good. Like he literally, I think what is he a truck driver or something like musician, he's a musician. Mm-hmm there we go. No wonder I'm taking his side. He's the but he's gotta be out on the road. So the moment. You can see it on Susan's random's face. And when Louise flips the script in her head and she goes, fuck, Jimmy's loved me all along mm-hmm and he loved her the right way.

Natalie: Mm-hmm . And I think that that part of the story is important to tell too, because so many me personally, and so many women, I know we don't know how to tell anymore. Mm-hmm like we've been ran around abuse. Gaslit, you know, Al manipulated into situations. We wanna be manipulating in all of it to the point.

Natalie: Where it's really fucking hard to tell 

Julia: anymore. Well, and we're not conditioned as women to just be upfront about something. If something's bothering me, I don't have the con well, that's not true. I have the confidence to be like, what the fuck is wrong with? Like, what is going on calling out kind of stuff.

Julia: But that's just not what our society supports and encourages. So, you know, Louise probably didn't feel like she could say, Jimmy, what is going on? Like I'm feeling insecure in our relationship and like turns out if she had said that it probably would've been received, which for 1991 is kind of a big deal because we don't have that type of representation until, you know, the last five years, we're starting to see stuff like that.

Julia: Not even the last three years, maybe we're starting to see stuff like that where men are being vulnerable are being loving, represented through pop culture. It's still in the minority, but guys like Jimmy. We don't see them a lot. 

Natalie: That's why, and I know we're not talking about it. That's why in season three, I started feeling bad for Paxton.

Natalie: Is that his name? The good looking one. Yeah. The funny one. Mm-hmm mm-hmm yeah, I started feeling bad for Paxton because clearly Paxton lived a life before Debbie mm-hmm and like every time Paxton walked into a room, whether he opened his goddamn mouth or not, someone would be the first to jump on him and be like, he's a bad.

Natalie: He'll fuck you and dump you. And like he did it. He also sat in a room and apologized for hours on end to every woman that he did it to. But I think the brilliant thing with that character packs in is that you see him be so emotional about that. Yeah. Like, well, how long am I going to have to live that down?

Natalie: Right. That I have made mistakes. Right, 

Julia: right. Just if only Debbie could just be the person who would be like, oh, you and that. So that's the thing that always bothered me about relationships. Just in general when girls or guys, men or women. Couldn't accept the fact that your partner had a life before you.

Julia: And so then you'd get all in your head, create your own story and narrative without talking to somebody. I hate that shit. I had a friend that would do that with her boyfriend all the time. And it was like, and so then I would come in with something logical and reason reasonable, like, oh, I think it's probably because of this.

Julia: Um, because I've been single for a long, long time. And so, and no, I don't think that's it. And then she'd finally get emotional enough to have a meltdown. And then they'd talk about it cuz he's like, why are you crying right now? What did I do? And then she tells him and he's like, no, if you had just asked, this is the answer.

Julia: And I was like, and then it would turn out. I was fucking right. Mm-hmm but she would create this story in her head about everything instead of talking to him about it. And it's so infuriating. Uh, that, that kind of shit happens. And I think that's another reason why that scene between Jimmy and, um, Louise is so beautiful because she's realizing like, 

Natalie: oh yeah, like I've had 65 conversations with Jimmy this past week.

Natalie: And 55 of them were in my own head Uhhuh. Yep. And it works both ways too, because 65% of the conversations that men have had with me have been in their own head. Yeah. And then, and then you, and then here I am sitting in an olive garden vibing with my bread sticks. not all you can eat bread. My all you can eat bread.

Natalie: uh, because when I'm there I'm family and , it's 

Julia: very Italian, so I'm glad 

Natalie: they're staying on brand with my people. I'm just trying to be at olive gardening with that good, uh, salad dressing. and you're literally, and I have said whatever the triggering word was that, like, we had a fight about that. I wasn't present too earlier.

Natalie: And then you're giving me the silent treatment and I'm just sitting there and I'm like, hi, um, I'm just trying to really like, enjoy my spaghetti carbonara, even though we are at olive garden and it's crazy as fuck. So I'm like literally mopping it up with my free bread sticks. Yeah. And I would just like to know why you are secretly mad at me.

Natalie: And then there it's the double down, right? It's the, I'm not mad. Oh, I wish you could see your face right now in those motherfucking olive garden. And I might put you on blast on TikTok over it. like, right. And people just like, and I don't, I mean, it was the fifties we're gonna go see, um, don't worry, Darlene.

Natalie: And we're gonna figure out where we all decided that it was be better to conceal don't feel it wasn't Elsa. It was the fifties . 

Julia: Well, and that's the other part of it too. Like, I, it took me a long time to learn that when I'm not ready to talk, rather than saying, I'm fine. I say, I'm not ready, but I will let you know when I'm ready.

Natalie: Haven't, you know, haven't processed 

Julia: this yet. Yeah. I'm in the process of breaking down. I'm debriefing internally, how I feel, and I don't know how to articulate it. Like we don't create that culture for that because you do have situations where poor Thema has been trying to articulate what she wants her entire fucking life.

Julia: Apparently because they started dating at 14, 14, and he's shooting her down, constantly creating self-doubt creating lack of worth on purpose to keep her in his, in her place. So he can do whatever the hell he wants and still maintain his image. And so then you create this environment where we just don't feel like we can talk because there's no validity to it.

Julia: And we don't learn the language. We don't allow ourselves spaces to have the language to say I'm upset, but I can't talk about it right now. Well, 

Natalie: and like, you know, and we're always talking about how. Millennials did the work. So the gen Z could fly, right? Like we watched our mothers, our aunts, our grandmothers basically be told to quiet down.

Natalie: Yeah. Like I have, I have sat in a room with my mother, my aunts, my grandmother, whatever. And I have watched them express a need mm-hmm . And for it to just leave into the ether mm-hmm while it got ignored and floated away, and then just floated out of reach for anyone to help fucking with. Right. And, and what it does.

Natalie: And again, this is why like parenting and paying attention to how you're speaking to people in front of your kids. So fucking important mm-hmm because what it paints in my head is no one's gonna take care of my needs, but my, but myself, I'm not important enough to care about people got. People got guilt.

Natalie: People got a job. Mm-hmm people like they're messy and I gotta do what I gotta do to 

Julia: survive. Yeah. Yeah. What's really fresh. One of the things that I think this, the movie really highlights well is how, what's the word I'm looking for? Harvey, Kai Tell's character. Like he, to me, he seemed genuine, right?

Julia: Like he genuinely sees that this is a fluke they're actually truly harmless women or those cop games. I I'm choosing to believe that he, because in the end, when he is like, why are, why all this heavy artillery for chasing these women, this is ridiculous. Like he's basically calling out this guy for calling in fucking snipers to take out these two women who literally have no.

Julia: Well, we don't know what Louise's deal is, but Thelma's an innocent essentially. Yeah. Prior to this. And so. Oh my God, where did my train go? so bad. 

Natalie: You thought the cop was genuine and I like we don't trust cops. 

Julia: Yeah. And so I'm thinking so, so he, he ma so what the movie I think does really well is kind of show like.

Julia: Regardless. Like, there's that, there's that delicate balance between like, oh, I'm so sad. Like this thing happened, I'm crying and men are uncomfortable. So they just gave there's a delicate balance between that and they're armed and dangerous. So we need snipers and the helicopter and everybody they're armed and dangerous.

Julia: She's got a 30 fucking 38, like no 10, I'm sorry, a 38 compared to your sniper. The sniper's gonna win every time you need to calm down. so I 

Natalie: think what the movie does greatly, if we are choosing to believe that the cop is a sympathetic character. I'm still not 

Julia: just the one Harvey 

Natalie: sense. Um, the cop, that is how he will be referred to

Natalie: Oh my 

Julia: God. Madeline Harvey guy tells amazing actor, you 

Natalie: know? No, I love him. Okay. I love him. I was so having to see him, but then, hi, Joe. 

Julia: She's. Now that we have an outside, she's like, you will open this door and let me outside. So that's what she wants. You keep talking while I let her out. Okay. 

Natalie: Are you gonna be able to hear me?

Natalie: Okay. So I think what the movie does beautifully is the foil between Gina Davis and Susan strand, and then the cop and how the snowball gets away from you. Because we have all been on the top of the hill with a little clump of snow going damn. I lied to my husband and then you make one more choice and it's like, I lied to my husband and then I continue to sex that man that I work with, and then it continues to snowball.

Natalie: And what the movie highlighted for me was there are all of these opportunities to sit back, breathe and reassess your situation. And it happens with Elma and Louise because all of a sudden, you know, we killed a guy now we're robbing people. Now we're holding cops at gunpoint, all of it. But it happens with the cop too, because he is like, okay, you know, this guy got shot at a bar.

Natalie: It is my job to figure out how that happens. Mm-hmm . And then when he's convinced that he knows who it is, but then he also doesn't know how to pin it on them or get ahold of them. Because it, it's not like they had his cell phone to track, right. Um, 

Julia: such wire tapping or phone tapping wire tapping 

Natalie: then he has to call the FBI.

Natalie: And that's another evolution of the snowball getting out of his control. Yeah. So you're doing all of these things in panic, because you think that that's, what's going to get you the most control. But what it's doing is it's making that snowball bigger and faster down that hill mm-hmm mm-hmm . Yeah, absolutely.

Julia: Absolutely. And the whole time they're in that chasing again, I'm sitting there thinking, gosh, like, you know, who could have helped mitigate Thelma fucking husband? Oh, Darrell. Darrell could have said my wife's not like this. You guys should maybe like dial it back. 

Natalie: I don't know who hurt Darrell, but they did a number on Darrell because he.

Natalie: Thelma was just chained to her microwave all day, every day. But for some reason, Darrell thought that, well, number one, Darrell was projecting his own behaviors onto Thelma, right? So like Darrell was clearly either running around on Thelma or finding some reason to navigate. Oh, he was a hundred percent 

Julia: running around on Thema.

Julia: I remember when she said I called him at 4:00 AM and he wasn't home. And then she also makes that statement too, where it's like, oh, I don't, I you're working late again. Like, that's so weird that people will be buying cars so late on a Friday, I don't understand. girl's not afraid to call you out in the nicest way.

Julia: Like that's the extent of what she'll do. 

Natalie: Sometimes people are still gambling at 4:00 AM. We all got vices yeah. So he is projecting all of the shittiness that lives into his soul. Onto Thelma, because that's what abusers like to do. They like to make you out to be the person who can't be trusted. Yeah.

Natalie: And the person who's actually doing the major majority of the hurting, because it just wipes you out at the bottom to have any sort of ledge to stand on. Yeah. When you're like, Hey, I don't think it's nice that you're dating women behind my back then all of a sudden they've got a laundry list yeah. Of things that they've made up about you because you went out to dinner with Louise.

Julia: Yeah. Yeah.

Natalie: Also I felt bad when Jimmy got tricked into telling them about Mexico, I was like, Jimmy, Wait, 

Julia: you mean, you mean JD JDS? The one that told me about Mexico. 

Natalie: Oh, I heard Jimmy. Like I heard that they had gone to Jimmy's house. No, Jimmy ID, JD, Jimmy ID. Mm-hmm 

Julia: Jimmy ID, JD, and then JDS the one who was like, yeah, they're probably going to Mexico.

Natalie: And I was like, Jimmy, you don't get involved at all. That's why we call our mamas and our unhinged aunt, because we know I'll look at whatever picture you want me to look at, but I'm not getting involved. I don't know these people. I don't know. You , I don't know these people in your mugshots. I've never met Brad Pitt one day in my late

Julia: You know, that's an interesting thing too, because on the one hand, you know, it's like saying something could be the difference. So there that's the balance, right? Like you say something when someone's been kidnapped or taken mm-hmm , but you keep your mouth shut when it comes to like a murder.

Julia: Well, but see if it was the other way around, it was a bunch of dudes murdering a woman. I wouldn't keep my mouth shut. 

Natalie: I don't think. Right. Circumstances, everything all mind legals for women and women only get in with crimes. That's all Bial advice is it's not for men. It's not for men to get, uh, away with the crimes that they commit against us.

Natalie: They already do. Yeah. That one who's already living in my neighborhood again. Oh. 

Julia: Um, somebody, something else that we didn't talk about that I think is a nice little frame, parallel situation in, in the movie as well. Is the truck driver. He sort of represents all men in a way this Mo PS people accused this movie of miss.

Julia: Oh, of course 

Natalie: they did because women were just living in the world and observing how men treated them. And they're like, miss don't you hold a mirror up to me. I love how this movie filmed men. Because even when an old man was just sitting there looking at you, you felt like it was the most OUS old man that you had ever run into in your entire life.

Natalie: I'm like, I love how this movie, this is the perfect. I like to get hung up on the female gaze because I don't know what it looks like in film or literature, uh, compared to the male gaze because we don't see it very often. And then someone tried to explain it to me in a very sex, like in a sexual context.

Natalie: Mm-hmm and, but I was like, no, this is the female gaze looking at every man. Like he could literally tie you up and throw you in his truck. this is the female 

Julia: gaze. And what's interesting is on, over on pop culture makes me jealous. We have this conversation all the time, like a film written by a woman and directed by a man.

Julia: There's always some sort of miss that happens, but in the case of film and Louise, that's not true. Ridley, Scott does an amazing job directing this film. It's like, he it's. It's like, first of all, 

Natalie: or did or 

Julia: did, it was more like five years ago. Hold on. It was like, probably like five years ago when I realized it was a Ridley Scott film, which is kind of shitty cause like it wasn't right in the first 10 

Natalie: seconds.

Natalie: Uhhuh I'm look at you. Ridley Scott. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't watch the Ridley one in a while. 

Julia: Sometimes I don't pay attention to the opening credits. It's fine. Um, but, but it, he, he does it so masterfully that you forget that like, so, so then it's like, okay guys, Why can't you tell stories, female stories. Well then, because if Ridley, Scott can do it and win an academy award, why are the rest of you failing?

Natalie: Listen, did Ridley Scott do it or did Gina and Susan make it easy for him to do it well, and then 

Julia: that becomes the combination of like, you have the perfect pairing mm-hmm because you have a director who UN I'm assuming, I don't know. You have a director who understands how to work with his, his leading cast and just all of his cast, but his leading roles.

Julia: And then he's created an environment where you can be Excel in what you do. Cause I think we had this conversation. I don't know when we had this conversation, but in one of our lives, I'm also trying to 

Natalie: think about it where it's like, you had the best cast in the world, and this is the trash that you yeah.

Julia: Because, because what happens is, is the director's always write as an actor, at least in theater. And we've ha and I can't remember which episode we talked about this on, but it was a still comfy episode in theater. You don't go against what the director says. The director 

Natalie: says there's a league of their own.

Natalie: Yeah. When I said that Abby Jacobson is not getting notes. no, one's giving Abby Jacobson notes because if they did, she'd be doing a better job. yeah. You, 

Julia: you, you, the director has the final say the director listens in theory to the producer. I don't know about television in film, but in theater, that's how it works.

Julia: The director tells the actors what the do the actors do not necessarily have the freedom or flexibility you could challenge, but then that puts your career in jeopardy, yada yada, yada. So when you have an environment, Like with the one I'm assuming Ridley Scott created where you can have such star power used well and properly to execute the story and capture all the nuance that Thema and Louise captures.

Julia: I'm again, left with why, why can't the rest of these fools? Figure it out. Cause they 

don't 

Natalie: want to cause like in the case of a league of their own, we just applaud the lazy storytelling. I tried to have this conversation over the weekend because I was told I was wrong. And it was by a person who hasn't even watched that show that we talk about on Tuesdays.

Natalie: And she's like, I heard it was good. I'm like, so I go, people are trained to like mediocrity. That's why Virgin river is gonna last until I die. 

Julia: Is it because we are because the world is such a heinous, dumpster fire. We just need something. That's easy peasy, 

Natalie: breezy. I miss impactive storytelling. I do. I like.

Natalie: Because for me, that's what it is. It's the range of emotions. And you're supposed to make me feel emotions. You know what I'm gonna say it, that ere movie beast, where he punches a CGI lion to save his kids. It was the most tense movie I've ever been at. And they made it heartfelt somehow. I was like, wait, did you go see beast?

Natalie: I did on Saturday for $3 movie day. Oh, $3 movie day at every cinema. Yeah. Yeah. Same. So mark, you really know when you wanna sponsor me. Yeah. I I'm your 

Julia: girl. I didn't realize I, I missed $3 movie day. I was really sad about it, but this is what happens when we don't talk on the weekends. I don't know what's happening in your life.

Julia: This 

Natalie: is what happens. Every time my sister comes to visit, she comes to visit and we're sitting around and there will be a stupid movie that is playing that we know that no one will sit in a movie theater for, but us. And then one of us side guys, the other one, and they're like, So that ridiculous movie, right?

Natalie: Where like ire, Alba punches that lion in a face, right? Like that's gonna be so dumb and then the other one goes, yeah, it probably is gonna be dumb, but like, I wouldn't hate watching . I mean, Alba punch a lion out of a car and then you sit there and you're like, so we're gonna go see the lion movie tomorrow.

Natalie: Right? Like we didn't with that movie that was shot on the iPhone where that woman gets admitted into the psych ward without her consent. Yeah. I forget what that movie was, but it changed us yeah. 

Julia: Yeah. It's interest it's but it's you're right though, because, okay, so there's this fine line that's happening, right?

Julia: Because like, there's this conversation happening on, I think it's TikTok where people are like, you know, name, a name, a black movie within the last 10 years that didn't have a heavy handed message about being black and what it's like to be black in America beast. And I was like, but they're not in America.

Julia: Oh, 

Natalie: they are in Africa. Yeah. Different. And, and like, there is this whole B plot about how, like, his wife came from the African village that they are in Uhhuh and she done dead. And so like, his kids hate him. and like, he's just trying to connect with them in Africa. Let's go to 

Julia: your mother's roots and see, first spirit is here and 

Natalie: then you's got a bunch of lion.

Natalie: Oh, CGI lion. 

Julia: I wouldn't mind seeing AJ Sal is fine, 

Natalie: honestly. And you know what? It makes my rule. It makes my, this movie is an hour and a half long and therefore it will be perfect. It will wrap up everything nicely. nice. And it will do exactly what I need to do. There you go. Oh, let's talk. Oh, Hey, let's throw out the cry.

Natalie: Dadds people literally masturbated with that book on the book was terrible. The God damn cry. Dadds like, oh, have you read where the crawdads sing? No, I 

Julia: haven't I have, and I wish I 

Natalie: hadn't. It's the book of our generation. No, I, and I saw the movie because Taylor swift slaps and I wanted to see what petty feelings she put into song.

Natalie: Also my air conditioning was broken, so I had right. I remember. Yeah. So I went and I went and saw the crowd ads and I told Jules, I was like, I mean, I get it. I enjoyed it. The body is pretty, everyone did a good job. It's a decent story. I go, but it's just to kill a Mockingbird with a little white girl from the swamp.

Natalie: it didn't make me feel anything. I was never stressed out for her. Nothing. I was like, this is gonna work out for you. You're fine. yeah, it was just 

Julia: a beautifully shot film with yeah. Decent costumes, Gators 

Natalie: or GERS in the beast movie too. And you know, I'm more out of all only animals in the. I never wanna look at Gator in the eye cuz they're sneaky and they're fast.

Natalie: that's, 

Julia: that's how they survive. 

Natalie: Like they're 

Julia: sneaking in they're fast Uhhuh. I don't understand people who have 'em as pets like that doesn't make sense to me. I don't forget it. Forget this 

Natalie: unhinged lion that is trying to VE seek vengeance on its killed. Fri I'm worried about the Gators cause they, they I've watched a Gator eat a shark in Florida.

Natalie: No, I'm I'm cool. I'm good. I've seen that YouTube video. 

Julia: Yeah, we're good. I don't ever wanna see that YouTube video please. 

Natalie: Don't send it to me. Seen a Gator take down a shark. 

Julia: No, I'm good. I'm not a fan. I do think that with, um, like I personally feel that th and Louise is, you know, um, What's the word I'm trying to say.

Julia: You know, a lot of people praise it for being this like feminist iconic movie, all these things. But what I think it really does is highlights just how hard it is to be a woman. 

Natalie: Yeah. When 

Julia: it comes to wanting autonomy, you know, Susan Louise, she has autonomy in some way, right. She's allowed to have a job.

Julia: She clearly was running from something, all these things, but Thelma wants autonomy so bad, but she doesn't realize and know that she wants it until after that fateful night in the bar parking lot. And so here they are now trying to figure out how to. Exist in a way where they can still have mm-hmm this, you know, they can exist within this awakening, but then the world's like you done did something bad and oh, if you had told us the truth, you'd probably still go to jail.

Natalie: Probably. Um, also the thing about Louise and what it highlighted for me, it's what this world makes us give up. Mm-hmm in order to be a woman with autonomy. Yeah. And the 

Julia: thing that really is hard with that is, you know, the fact that she it's how far would self-defense had gone really mm-hmm would anybody have believed that?

Julia: Probably not. And that's the thing that's really sad because then again, even in death, this situation still prevails and favors men. 

Natalie: Yeah. And I think for Louise and like, and back to like your friends, marrying mediocre dudes, and then you just having to watch. it's like Louise doesn't even have the, like, luxury to marry her mediocre dude, Jimmy, because like, it then robs her of everything that she's built for herself.

Natalie: Mm-hmm and you, and I talk about that a lot. It's one of the reasons why I don't wanna have kids, because it's like, there's nothing that like robs women of their autonomy faster than 

Julia: motherhood in this country. Yeah. Yeah. And I say, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It's a solid 10 years that you're giving up for sure.

Julia: Mm-hmm and then after that, it just kind of depends like, in my situation, I think my, my child was like 10 or 11 when he started gaining a little bit of independence and my independence. I mean, like going to friends houses, cuz he had a solid group of friends that I didn't have to be at the, did you say driving?

Julia: I 

Natalie: said driving cars. I think you just got, you know, like she's gonna let it. Like she was 

Julia: letting her 10 year old drive cars. Oh my God. No, but like, you know, now you're at the friend's house and I don't have to be there. Yeah. Because like, I know the parents we've exchanged, you know, we've had enough interactions where I feel like my child will not get shot in your home for some reason kind of stuff.

Julia: And so you do get a little bit back there. And so only, and surely it's, what's hard right now for me to watch is, you know, people who overschedule their kids, because then you're not getting anything back. You're just continuing that 10 year POS uh, position of being beholden to this little human who's dependent because you're their taxi.

Julia: So you have to Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday mornings do something with them every single day, rather than allowing space to just be for stillness and quietness. And for me, that was the saving grace in parenting where it was just like, it's quiet time. Mm-hmm on Thursdays. We don't do.

Julia: You be in your room. You tell me when you're ready for me to make dinner and it's just, you know, and 

Natalie: then I get stressed out. When I watch mothers try to have autonomy. I didn't tell you this because we didn't talk this weekend because I had guests and I was moving and you were moving, but there was an 18 month old in the beast movie at, at the beast movie.

Natalie: And she was crying because the movie is stressful. Yeah. I was like, I'm tense. Like I've 

Julia: seen that trailer every single time. I've gone to the movies in the last three months, which is a lot. And I, by the time we got to like the CRADA movie, I was like, I can't with this trailer anymore. I will have a heart attack.

Natalie: Like number one, the lion, they made the lion look scary. Mm-hmm and we went into the five o'clock movie and we were walking out. and like, I get it. You wanna see a damn movie and maybe you thought your kid would sleep through it, but movies are loud. Mm-hmm , you're gonna walk them up those stairs. Like they can smell popcorn.

Natalie: We all love popcorn. You argued with them about the expense of popcorn and then like, and they were late. So then they also have that fight through the people. So the kids started crying before they were even seated. Oh. And then, and then you gotta walk out and then they came back and the kids started crying again.

Natalie: And again, I don't know what happened because these kids cry and then all of a sudden they're not, I'm like, would you smother that kid way? Right. I know that. That's not how kids quiet down. yeah. And I just felt, and I told my sister, I was like, I'm about to start going to 10:00 PM movies, but you know, what would still happen?

Natalie: Mm-hmm so to watch parents like try to have a little bit. Of autonomy over what they get to do and watching it still not be what you want to be doing, because you just wanted to watch Iris Alba punch a lion and your kids crying. 

Julia: So do we just not hire babysitters anymore? Like, is that not a thing people do anymore?

Julia: Do we just not trust people to watch our children anymore? That has 

Natalie: to be a, it ha I. I don't know what 

Julia: I would've done. I had five grandparents to access and then, you know, that's, but there's a lot of stuff that goes into that is a totally different conversation. But when none of them were available, I did hire people.

Julia: Yeah. 

Natalie: Well, and I was a straight babysitter. Yeah. I even at every kid that lived on my street. Yeah. And I would just like, who's going out this weekend. And sometimes it would be like, Nope, you've got all of them. And we've agreed that you will be in this basement with all 

Julia: of them. Uhhuh that's happened to me too.

Julia: Mm-hmm every parent 

Natalie: is paying you something. Yeah. Yeah. Or, or like, I would literally just like rotate and I would end up with all of them eventually, because you'd play in the yard and then all of the gremlins would come . Yeah. And you're like, oh, are you? Natalie's got the good snacks. Yeah. So I don't know what's happened to babysitter culture.

Natalie: I have no idea. I have to imagine that people just don't have the disposable cash to pay people. What it should actually cost because 

Julia: like that's true. That's fair. Cuz if groceries are expensive, then hiring a babysitter's expensive 

Natalie: too well. And so I was a babysitter in the early two thousands. Like I graduated high school in 2007.

Natalie: I probably started babysitting when I was in seventh or eighth grade. Cuz they were all on the street. I didn't have to go anywhere. Yeah. And I'm thinking that I probably made 25 to 30 bucks every night and because it was literally just like what cash parents had on them and you weren't like no one cared about minimum wage when you're 13.

Natalie: Right. So then I think the most I ever got paid was like 50 or 60 bucks. But that's because the parents didn't realize that they had double paid me. And then my mom went, why do you have this much money? I went, they double paid me cuz. Dad came home later than, or like earlier than mom, but like dad paid me beforehand cuz he knew that he was gonna get rowdy and he couldn't count when he got home.

Natalie: And then mom came home early and she double paid me and mom walked my money back over there and mom was like, you double paid her. And they were like, yeah, but Natalie got one on us because we're moron. So just let her keep that money. I've just yeah. Cause they were like the neighbors where like when you signed up to babysit for them, you were like, this could be till 1:00 AM.

Natalie: This could be till 4:00 AM. Yeah. But you don't know? Yeah, yeah. Those days. But yeah, I don't know what's happening with babysit 

Julia: centers. That's interesting. I'd be curious. I should pool my friends with small children cuz it like, I've mentioned many a times on my show. I had children 10 years before everybody else did.

Julia: Um, we never finish. Did we finish talking about the truck driver or 

Natalie: did we digress? Well, we digressed into how he was a reflection of every man, but they shot every man. Like they were a potential threat. Right, right. But I loved that. Yeah. Yeah. The truck driver, like just for me, it illustrated the escalation.

Natalie: Right. Mm-hmm , mm-hmm because at first it's just like the wink and like the lude, like Jack off gesture something, and then he's screaming at you and then like, and all of it. Yeah. 

Julia: Yeah, I agree. And then by the time they get, they find, you know, they're like, Hey, come follow us, wink, wink. And he's like, Hey girl.

Julia: And he is like pulling off his wedding ring and all this stuff. And then when they're like, do you think it's appropriate to talk to people like that? You're crazy. I'm sorry. A woman calling you out for talking to them. Like they're a sexual object only on the planet for your want and desire does not make her crazy.

Julia: I've only also can we stop just referring to women as crazy? Yeah. Period. The end. Even if they have a diagnosis from a professional, we are not doing this anymore. It is not okay. 

Natalie: The one and only bar fight that I almost instigated

Natalie: I was at the silent disco because silent disco is a safe place. It's my favorite way to club. You're all wearing your own headphones, having a singular experience together. No one ever has ever. Touched me or said something gross to me at silent disco, but someone said something gross to my friend uhoh and he wouldn't leave.

Natalie: And he wanted her to leave with him and she knew him. And like he came because he knew we would be there and he was trying to get her to go with him and be like, blow off your friends, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he started talking to her nasty. Oh, because he was accusing her friend zoning him.

Natalie: And then I, um, informed him that the friend zone was just an excuse that weak men use when they're too mediocre to date. Yes but they think they've done all the groundwork mm-hmm because you may or may not have gotten her a couple of water once . Yeah. So, um, so then he called me some slurs, um, that then.

Natalie: They're the type of slurs that you use in reference to women who date women. Mm-hmm because his go to was, if you're calling me out for being nasty to your friend, you must not like Dick at all or whatever. And he was like nasty to me. And then I just remember taking my little like wristlet purse and pivoting to my other friend who was with us.

Natalie: And I went, hold this 

Julia: Natalie's version of hold my beer. And 

Natalie: she went, do you need to take off your earrings? no. And I looked at him and I went, here's the thing. You can either walk away from this now and walk away of it. Still walking. Like you could walk in or else I'm going to take you out into this parking lot or really right here.

Natalie: And I will beat you until your friends don't even recognize you. And you will have to call one of your bros to come and get you. and tell them how hard I hit you. And he looked at me and I went, seriously, say one more thing to me or my friends cuz that's how we do it on mama's side of the family. Mm-hmm and he looked at me and he went, no, I'm gonna go home.

Natalie: And I was like, right, cuz I'm scary. 

Julia: I don't understand how we manage to create a world. We, we had nothing to do with it because we weren't allowed to vote until, well, my people weren't allowed to vote until 1964 years. Weren't allowed to vote until 19 20, 19, 19. Nope. It's been about a hundred years.

Julia: Yeah. So like how did society manage to evolve in a way where this is still here's what drives me crazy on the one hand, my black community mm-hmm my folks on the black side are constantly told that was so long ago. Oh, slavery was so long ago. It was so long get over it. But then on the other hand, we can't.

Julia: We you wanna excuse horrible male behavior, because that's how it's been for centuries centuries. So, so do you see how I'm confused because this man, these men in this film, and in my opinion, the there's two that are okay, Jimmy and the cop, you disagree about the cop and that's fine. It's allowed, but it's like one of those moments in life when I'm just like, how is it that Jimmy is the only one who is evolved enough to not be like these bitches be crazy, right?

Julia: Because your actions and behavior, haven't driven me to a point where I can't take it anymore. Like, why isn't that acknowledged? Well, and I 

Natalie: remembered a point that I wanted to make at the beginning of this show. Mm-hmm so I am a true CR crime, probably former fan fan at this point. Mm-hmm where, like I can't live in it anymore.

Natalie: However, I am very aware of the difference. that happens when men commit crimes and women commit crimes. Mm-hmm and how we talk about when women commit crimes. Yeah. And first off, they'll tell you, well, according to studies, women only kill people for money. Now I've watched a lot 

Julia: of snapped. I was gonna say snapped the original true crime podcast.

Natalie: But I will say that I think the difference is when I look at when women commit crimes and when men commit crimes is men will just commit crimes, cuz they've had a feeling and they don't 

Julia: know how to deal with that feeling. They're not allowed to be in touch with their feelings. 

Natalie: Women will commit crimes to solve a problem that they themselves did not account for.

Natalie: Okay. So Louise solved a problem. Yeah. Yeah, she sure did. She sure did. And then when presented with another problem, FMA, it SMA solved it and she solved another one when the cop was giving Louise a hard time and all of it mm-hmm so there's just like a difference between, but we're labeled the crazy ones.

Natalie: We're not feeling anyone cuz we're angry or we're sad or we have cramps or because we 

Julia: feel left out. 

Natalie: Right. It's literally just because like you hit us or you took our money or you were weird with our kid or any of it. Yeah. But men will look at you and be like, did you think highly of yourself for a fucking moment and kill you?

Natalie: yeah. And kill you. Yeah. 

Julia: So yeah like, and that's PR that's that's that theory is strengthened by the way, Harlan flips on. Thelma. I'm sorry. 

Natalie: Did you think that your body was your own? I believe I, Dr. I bought you not one but three drinks that I probably, I couldn't tell if it was laced, because I can't tell when people started putting things in drinks.

Natalie: When did that start happening on the scene? 

Julia: Um, my first memory of being told to be mindful of my beverages. I think it was 16. So that was in 2000. Yeah. So, but at the same time, if Thelma isn't somebody who, and first of all, liquor and beer hit bodies differently. Correct. Um, so if she's not one who normally does a lot of alcohol consumption that wild Turkey with a Coke back 

Natalie: is 

Julia: gonna hit real hard.

Julia: And when did they eat? So she's drinking on an stomach. 

Natalie: Yeah. Listen, I don't drink often, but when I do drink, it's, uh, it is a good time. 

Julia: yeah, yeah. I'm actually, man, I am not a fan. If you're not a fun drunk, we cannot drink together because I am a fun, like I am loving and happy. I mean, I'm like that anyway, but like it's just way more fun.

Julia: Like I'm just a joyful person. Yeah. And so when people are angry, drunk, so I'm just like, that's not a vibe we need, you should not, you need to be banned to not serve this person, 

Natalie: but yeah, it's just. it's one of those things where it's like, you know, the narrative always seems to be flipped. My new favorite narrative that needs to be flipped is when a scientist came out and said, here's the thing when women are on their periods, their body produces more testosterone.

Natalie: So when you're saying that they can't regulate their own emotions, they're too angry. What if they pressed a button or something? Because they are leaders. That means that no man should ever be a leader because they naturally have more testosterone than all of us. I was like, thank you, science. 

Julia: Yeah. Yeah.

Julia: first of all, it breaks my heart, that Thema and Louise is still super relevant. 30 years later. Like, that's like, we've gotta do better. We have got to do better. Secondly, and I, me, I 

Natalie: mean them, yeah, I can't do anymore better. I made a podcast. I've got angry. T-shirts I've got all my friends. 

Julia: Like it's more of a collective we, rather than a you and I, we don't.

Julia: Cause we are doing work to sort of call out these, uh, egregious behaviors. Use you more so in the world of misogyny, mine more so in the world of, uh, race. Yeah. Um, with that said it is. Because I think so I was, so it came out in 91. So I was probably, I wasn't allowed to watch rated our movies until I was 17.

Julia: So I probably saw it in 2001. 

Natalie: Were you allowed to watch it rated our movies that your parents wanted to watch though? Because I wasn't allowed to watch Josie in the pussy cats because it was PG 13. however, I was allowed to sit through water world. So 

Julia: my parents, my mother has a strong, no rated rating role.

Julia: Oh yeah. For as long as I can remember. And I forgot for a while cuz you know, when you don't live with your family and you don't do things. Yeah. And then I was like, oh mommy, do you wanna go see this movie with you? She's like, what's the rating. I was like, are she's like, Nope. I was like, what? She's like, I don't see rated our movies.

Julia: And I was like, oh yeah, I forgot about that. Um, but having seen this movie at 17, it kind of was like this moment of like, is this what I have to worry about? Like, yes, because coming from a world and, and now I'm having a whole Revolut revolution, revolution, revolution about my, um, youth and you, but that's not the point.

Julia: That's not, this podcast is not this episode, but you know, it was this moment of like, men can be harmful. Like what, because that wasn't necessarily the world. I understood because now that I'm older and we have better language for it, I understand there are things that happened to me that were way more nuanced than what they were than what we see in th Louis.

Julia: But it was that little note of. You need to be, you need to be on your game, right. Cuz they will call you crazy. If you try and say something happened to you and it is on 

Natalie: you to be on your game. Yeah. Like no one in this world is gonna keep you saying, right. So you better do it. Right. Because I also remember not that she ever said it out loud, but the way that my mother would talk to me about assault or getting myself in trouble or any of it at a party at the movie theater, anything was, you know, better.

Natalie: You've been told better. Like, yeah, it's always on you. It doesn't make it doesn't happen. 

Julia: And to an extent it's like, yes, you control how much you. Handle it yourself. Right? Like I had a conversation with a friend a couple years ago, a couple months ago. I don't know what it's time. And she was at a party and she had said, you know, don't let me, she told somebody, she's like, don't let me get too drunk.

Julia: And he's like, you're the only one in control of that fair. Right? Like that is a fair point. Um, but there is a point too. I had another friend, another time she had a drink at a wedding and was pretty much knocked out. And everyone's like, that's strange. And I was like, you were probably drugged because you have a very high alcohol tolerance.

Julia: Mm-hmm, the amount of alcohol you consume. You had a class of wine and you were be, you were drugged. You were 100% drugged, but you know, nobody wanted to acknowledge that, whatever. So there's like a level again, it's that? It's the nuances. It's the balance. It's the circumstances. And I think that Thalman Louise really brings all of that to light.

Natalie: I had a friend one time per 10, like he was gonna slip something in my drink to the bartender and I was standing there. So my friend thought that that joke was gonna land. No, but he made the joke. Like I, you know, I'm gonna put something in it, you know, so she's nicer. And the bartender laughed and I looked at him and I went, I realized that my buddy was making a really H joke and I will scream at him later about it.

Natalie: I go, but as a bartender who is handling women's drinks all day, every day, I would hope that would take that a little bit more seriously. Yeah, because what if your 

Julia: friend wasn't joking, right? Or your friend, wasn't actually a good person and you didn't know it yet because sometimes it takes time. Right?

Julia: Because 

Natalie: sometimes the killer is across the table. That's what Jonathan gr told me on audible. . 

Julia: Oh, my gosh. 

Natalie: Yeah. Mm-hmm so don't trust your bartenders either. 

Julia: at least not in the Midwest. I don't know. Not in the Midwest that, that last scene, the Chas scene, that's the most iconic scene I've ever like 

Natalie: that launched themselves off of a canyon mm-hmm , which I also felt was an over dramatization.

Natalie: I was like, I get it. Cause we wanna be free, but free don't need mean to be is free. Is dead. The only way women can be free apparently. And then 

Julia: apparently, which is really upsetting. Um, so here's my final question. How comfy are you with this movie? Oh, this 

Natalie: fucking movie rocks, this fucking movie rocks. And it's because it's still so timely.

Natalie: So it's one of those movies from the nineties. Where you can watch it and you go, I've been Thelma and I've been Louise and it's a drag being both of them. Mm-hmm and it's still a drag to be Thelma or Louise. And it's still something that we need to be actively talking about. So this movie should be taught in film theory in fucking psych courses, in social work courses.

Natalie: Fucking make your kids watch this 

Julia: movie. Yeah. It's funny that you say that. Cause I think I'm gonna force my child. I was like, oh, maybe we'll go to the movies when he comes home. No, I think I'm gonna make him watch this movie. It's a very 

Natalie: white movie, but they're in the 

Julia: south. Yeah, Arkansas. I mean, parts of Arkansas shore.

Julia: Um, the 

Natalie: one African American man is smoking weed. 

Julia: yeah. And listening to what was that reggae music? It was like 91. 

Natalie: I was like, look at that. 

Julia: 1991. I also am. So because I've seen this movie so many times and been watching it, basically my entire adult life, I am still very comfy with this movie, but I'm also very disappointed that, uh, you could literally, you know, take away the bad nineties fashion, cuz there's some styles in the movie, like towards the end, especially where you're just like, I'm sorry, is this being filmed right now?

Julia: But like her freely bikini and things like that. Yeah. You know, it's like, you could take those things out and it would still, like, you could drop this movie into 20, 22 and, and not change a fucking thing other than the other than the black guy smoking weed, pulling up to the cop like that. That's probably the only thing that would change, but you could drop it into 20, 22 and it would be exactly like exactly as it is word for word verbatim.

Julia: And it would still 

Natalie: fly. So, what you're saying is you're comfy with the movie. You're not comfy with the year of our Lord savior 20, 22, I guess so. Right. Is that truly the message of this show? It's like, Hey, watch what you watch, but we're not living in comfy times. no, we 

Julia: are not, we are not. And it's so upsetting because it's like, I would like to not be worried about walking my dog or, you know, little things like that.

Julia: I don't know. mm-hmm I don't know. I had somebody tell me I'm so relieved that you're moving into that neighborhood. We feel so much better. Your neighborhood will be so much safer. And I was like, this neighborhood isn't any safer than my last neighborhood. At least in my last neighborhood, the drug dealers made sure nobody stole shit outta my fucking yard.

Julia: oh, 

Natalie: but, um, like, 

Julia: oh, uh, thank you for showing me your colors on how you feel about unhoused people. Oh, 

Natalie: and kids, I guess the true moral of tonight's show is get to know your local criminals and build a bond with them to look out for you. We look out for them. 

Julia: honestly like, so we had fir when we first moved into that neighborhood, I just moved out of, we were riding our bikes cuz we were near the trail and it was, it was so lovely.

Julia: And you know, this guy is just kind of hanging behind and me and my kid at the time. And I was just like, okay, that's weird. So he had to been like eight. Yeah, cuz he was eight when we moved in. So he had to been like eight and I'm like, this is strange because I've been trained my whole life to be aware of my surroundings because we were beautiful children and it was always a very big concern of my parents that we would get stolen.

Julia: Well, as you know, 

Natalie: I was too ugly to kid. 

Julia: And so we're riding along and you know, a couple weeks later, whatever we're at national night out and you know, the house across the street, which a lot of people like to shake their heads up, but you know what, they don't fucking hurt anybody. I mean, have people overdosed on the shit they've sold them probably, but they're, you know, they're not, they're not hurting me.

Julia: Um, which is bad attitude to have anyway. So I'm talking about it national night out and they're there. And one of the guys was like, the next time that happens, you ride your mic to my house and I will handle it. Yeah. I I'm new to the I'm new to the neighborhood. I don't know this guy. And since then, No, one's fucked with us 

Natalie: at all.

Natalie: get to know your local friendly criminal 

Julia: yeah. I was like, eh, I mean, what is, what are the drug laws anyway? Right. Like in California, marijuana is legal now. So I'm kind of like, whatever, smoke your pot, like 

Natalie: hold your, but sell your butt, make your 

Julia: brownies. Um, and then, and in my county you can only have six plants for home use and I'm like, eh, does it even matter how many they have, like people complain about the smell and I'm like, I can't tell the difference between that and a skunk.

Julia: So it's fine. Just do you don't get my house rated. I don't care. 

Natalie: Yeah. I do love when a stranger will be like, don't let people be creepy to you because I'll get violent. And in a lot of people's lives, that's me where I'm like, you need someone to get violent. And they're like, no, I don't really think that I need someone to get violent.

Natalie: I'm like, cause I'll fucking get violent. 

Julia: It was just, it was, I guess it was like comforting too, to know like you, like, he's basically telling me you do not have to be a single woman in this world and feel unsafe. Like that's what he's telling me without say without not in those words. And that's, we need more of that.

Julia: We need more people to be less that I'm gonna follow you because I think I'm going to steal you and more of the, Hey, don't be a fucking asshole. Yeah. Making people feel creeped out. Yeah. Anyway, friend. Please tell everybody where they can find you if they wanna keep up with you online. Hi, I'm Natalie 

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Natalie: I'm the host of two. All the men I've tolerated before this week on Thursday, we will be releasing an episode about Annie C a great friend of mine in the podcast. And I talking about reality TV and how it reflects the hellscape that we're living in. Oh, mm-hmm last week. Me and Caroline Addington from the co-create podcast.

Natalie: Talked about enlightened men and the ones that try really, really hard to convince you that they're an ally. Oh, they're not. Um, they just read a book or a mean that they're commenting to you. And then, um, I celebr bracelets now on Etsy at no niche for nap. You can't really see them go online. and we have merch.

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Julia: Well, that's good. I'm very excited about your March. I can't wait for payday so I can buy something like, um, the patriarchy is scarier than Freddy Kruger.

Julia: it's cause 

Natalie: it's because the patriarchy is around while I'm asleep and while I'm awake, mm-hmm Freddy Kruger is only around when I'm asleep and I don't sleep. So, so 

Julia: that's a odds of pretty good there. Friends, you know, where to find us pop culture makes me jealous wherever you find your podcasts. We are in rebroadcast mode, summer rebroadcast mode, which is actually gonna seep a little bit in default because I've moved.

Julia: So I need to find, I need to find all the things that I actually record on and all the things that I've recorded on. So I can put all the episodes together. Cause somebody thought it was a good idea to move with unfinished products, um, with unfinished 

Natalie: products. 

Julia: Yeah. Uh, this week what's rebroadcasting this week.

Julia: Probably one of these still comfy. I don't know which one it's been a long road, but follow us, uh, on the gram. Follow us on, uh, the tos. We are. We just wanna have those conversations with you and if you've seen Thema Louise, oh Natalie, you are gonna say something. Go ahead. Just don't forget 

Natalie: to have me plug the next movie.

Natalie: oh yeah. 

Julia: Tell us what's up next on the still comfy. 

Natalie: So, um, Two weeks from now, I'm not going to do math. That's stupid. The 19th, that sounds right. Um, on the 19th, we'll be on the two Al the men I've tolerated before YouTube Chan channel. So give it a follow and we will be honoring Brendan Frazier for crying, because he's so overwhelmed with how much people adore him in this, the whale movie, not by watching the whale, but by watching my favorite, Brendan Frazier, George of the jungle, because he's a treasure and he is never done anything wrong.

Julia: oh, my favorite Brendan Fraser movie is ENC man, but 

Natalie: we will be watching George of the jungle. 

Julia: yes, yes. But we need you to also watch INSTO, man, Natalie, it's such a great film. Yes. 

Natalie: And 

Julia: jungle . And right now on two, our Tuesday night still comfy live show over on Instagram, we are talking about a league of their own it.

Julia: We are in episodes five and six next, tomorrow. And if you really wanna listen to Natalie, be upset about just 

Natalie: go off, you need, I don't know what this show has done to me personally, but I'm just, I've been told that other people think that it's adequate, so storytelling and I'm like, and yet I'm bored the entire time.

Natalie: And then I'm just irritated that I'm bored. So I mock Abby Jacobson

Julia: you know, it's okay. I think to criticize things, we're, you know, I think a lot of people get blinded by the fact that it is a full queer cast, which is very exciting. We don't see that. That's very exciting with that said it's not a pass 

Natalie: as a member of the queer community. I love that we have a full queer cast on Amazon prime.

Natalie: I just wish. that they were being allowed to shine mm. And that their characters were given death. And that the stories that they were telling moved me instead of made me go, come on. 

Julia: yeah, friends do all the follows. Listen to all the shows. We are so excited you're here and that you tuned in tonight. And if you're listening to the replay, we appreciate you for taking the time to listen to the replay.

Julia: Um, you heard it here. First two weeks. We are talking on Natalie's, um, YouTube. And after we finish a league of their own on Tuesday, still comfy, we're going back to, we're going back 

Natalie: to the river court. We're doing one tree hill, season two. I can't wait to be back on the river court. I can't wait. To be shown basketball, but that's not.

Natalie: What's important about that show. That's not what the show's about anymore. Chad Michael, I miss you brooding all over my TV. Yeah. I miss Stan, Scott not blinking at me. 

Julia: his one suit that he wears all the time. His 

Natalie: suit love the suit. Shout out to the suit. I miss Hailey and her brain. Fuck. I even miss Payton and her angst.

Natalie: But most importantly, I miss you, Brooke Davis. You're an inspiration. And you're the reason why I'm the woman I am today. That and Chelsea handler. Yeah. 

Julia: all right, friends. You know what to do until next time we'll see in the DMS, 

Natalie: see in the DMS, uh, and stay cozy out there, stay comfy, stay watching your bullshit, but also realize that 2022 is a 

Julia: scary place.

Julia: I was like, is Natalie not gonna tell everyone to stay comfy? Like 

Natalie: that's we end the. I don't know, I'm a wreck tonight. 

Julia: It's hard. Life's been hard. Okay. Also 

Natalie: this show didn't have a song. The movie didn't have a song for me to sing. Should I just go back into Elvis? No. 

Julia: No. Did you listen to listen? Did you listen to the celebrity book club 

Natalie: Silla episode?

Natalie: No, I haven't. No. My favorite, uh, celebrity book club has been June Diane Raphael talking about the Tori spelling. oh my 

Julia: God. That episode is so good. And 

Natalie: now I think I'm gonna have to read that book. I know, I, 

Julia: I thought the same thing. Am I gonna have to read this 

Natalie: book? Now? I book that to spelling wrote 

Julia: you're gonna die.

Julia: When you, you listen to the episode about Priscilla Pressley, you need to immediately voice memo me because, oh my God, 

Natalie: I would love for the celebrity book club, um, episode to launch a murder investigation into Aaron's spelling stuff. That's what I'm manifesting for the end of this episode. Yeah. 

Julia: Yeah. The episode was so good.

Natalie: June Diane Raphael. I know you're listening. Um, you and Jane Fonda, go ahead and tell her. No, she's not listening. uh, you and Jane are the reason that I'm going to be the woman I'll become . 

Julia: I forgot that she did bridesmaids, not bridesmaids, bride wars, bride wars. So after I listened to the episode, I cuz I listened to it on my drive home from LA.

Julia: I was like, you know, on my watch tonight 

Natalie: bride wars, we need to do a monster in-law movie and we need to talk about how we were all lied to about Jane Fonda. Oh my God. 

Julia: See, I don't feel lied to about, well, that's not entirely true. Family did try to feed the propaganda to me about Jane Fonda, because they are the same age, like similarly aged.

Julia: Um, but I never bought it. I knew, I knew she was a real one. 

Natalie: I had my mother hot mom and another mother of the woman. I went to see monster in-law with, they both screamed at us and we didn't know who Jane Fonda was. We just knew that JLo was in a movie and we saw every JLo 

Julia: movie. Oh my God. I've known who Jane Fonda was my whole life.

Natalie: No, I've never seen Barbella. Is that the Jane 

Julia: Fonda movie? I see I'm thinking of a, on like the one I know her best from is on golden pond. I've never seen on golden pond. Oh my God. Her dad, did he win an academy award for that movie? Find old 

Natalie: people boring. Oh my 

Julia: God, Natalie, one day you will be old. 

Natalie: I won't look at the state of the world.

Natalie: I won't be old. And I've always known it. Oh my 

Julia: gosh. Okay. We already did the closeout. We gotta end and take this to the DMS. All you.

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