Who’s The Boss | 12
Show Notes:
This week on the show we explore how Angela Bower, played by Judith Light, and the whole cast of Who's the Boss, flipped the script on social norms and how Angela and Tony informed us about powerful women.
Transcript:
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Julia: Who's the boss? Debut on September 20th, 1984 and starred Judith Light. Tony Danza. Alyssa Milano. Danny, who's last name I can't pronounce
Libby: cause I can't remember. Danny. Huh? Danny
Julia: P. Danny. P. Like, cause I don't think he's been in anything lately. and Katherine. Hell. The show follows the story of widower and former pro baseball player, Tony Micelli, taking a job as a housekeeper for a high powered divorce businesswoman Angela Bauer and her son, he and his daughter Samantha, move into the Bauer residence where Tony's laid back personality contrasts with Angela's type a behavior.
Julia: But before we really dive in, let's, let's get reacquainted with, with Libby. Libby Sailor is an artist living and working in the suburbs of Philadelphia. Libby was here in seasons two and three where we discussed when Harry met Sally in 16 candles. This is her second appearance in season four and I'm excited she's here cuz I think I said it last time.
Julia: She is my friend i r l Even though we haven't met in person . No. And it like,
Libby: it kind of doesn't matter, although someday we have to, I think. The meeting. A meeting will happen
Julia: eventually. Yeah. It's gonna have to happen, I think. Yeah. I have to make it out back to the East Coast at some point when I was telling my Laura
Libby: I'll go to the West coast.
Libby: I mean, there's no reason why. Oh yes. Yeah. Like I, yeah, it,
Julia: it's gotta happen. Come here. There's so much amazing stuff that we could do and see and oh my God, I also just think it's gonna
Libby: be, oh yes, that we'll just eat the whole time. Mm-hmm. . I also just think it's gonna be so funny being in real life, cuz I'm.
Libby: A giant tower and you're this little petite little thing. It's just gonna be so funny cuz right now we're like on the same plane. Yeah, yeah. But I'm just gonna be this monster in your presence. It'll just be funny. ,
Julia: my best friend is five nine, so, um, okay. So I'm, I'm, I'm used to being around all women. Yeah.
Julia: I guess is my point. Um, and then it was funny because the moment my son got too like really tall, cuz we always did family selfies whenever we go out outta town, Uhhuh and it's just, you know, selfies And so like that point when he was so tall that taking his selfie was like, okay, you have to do it and make sure you, yeah.
Julia: There's no way because I'm too short to get both of us in this picture. . Yeah. Yeah.
Libby: And then it'll be, it'll, I think it'll be magical
Julia: one that Oh my gosh, it'll be so much fun. And because I love to pounce out and we have to go to movies. Oh yes.
Libby: Yeah. Like every day. Absolutely. We have to do a different movie,
Libby: Yes. I cannot wait to do movies with you.
Julia: Oh. And there's this great theater house in my town. That's gorgeous. I think you would love it cuz it was built in 1938
Libby: or 30. Okay. One, is that like our deco time maybe? Or, yeah.
Julia: And they had it restored a few years. Oh, well I say a few years, but what is time? And it's gorgeous.
Julia: Mm-hmm. , I, I really think that you would just be inspired by the architecture. And then they also play like, like independent films. They do. Big basket blockbusters. They have, it's just cool. It's a really cool place. Oh my God. I should actually renew my membership .
Libby: Yeah. And I just should make a book, a flight to just come see you cuz that has to happen on my
Julia: Yeah.
Julia: It'll be so much. Can't wait fun. It'll be so much fun. Yeah. Okay. So before we dive into talking about Angela Bauer, um, I, I wanna know, do you remember what you thought of rich or wealthy women or what messages you received about wealth and money when you were a kid?
Libby: Yeah, you know, I think it was kind of, I don't wanna say it was confusing for me, but I actually had this interesting upbringing where I kind of was able to view both worlds because my parents, yeah, my parents were divorced and, you know, my mother came from, she was raised in like a, a middle class.
Libby: I don't know. I don't wouldn't say they were wealthy, but like, he owned a business. They, they were, they did well, but because the course of her life was, she struggled in a lot of different ways. Um, she never had money. Mm-hmm. , uh, when she was my mother and when she was raising me and after the divorce, like she lived in a city in like a, a row house.
Libby: She could, she was, I mean, food stamps, like she couldn't hold a job. Like there was a lot of struggle. And then my father, who also came from money, we, they had more money just cuz we had a family business. And, um, they're more just intellectual, whatever. So, so they had always had money in the family. So I remember.
Libby: And I'm leading into, I basically preferred wealthy . Wealthy vibes. Yeah. Um, and I remember being so excited when dad would take us in the car and drive us to our grandmother's house because it was out in the country. It was gorgeous. It then we're in this big house, everything's nice. Mm-hmm. People are dressed nice.
Libby: Everybody talks a certain, you know, it's, it was you. It was just noticeable. And as a kid, I don't think, I thought, oh, they have money and my mom doesn't. But it was more just like, I like it here better. I'm more comfortable here. This is, this feels safe to me. This feels secure. I don't wanna go back to the city.
Libby: I don't like seeing my mom struggle. Mm. Um, so, there was that going on. And, um, but what's also interesting, this is very complex. Even though my mom didn't have money, she did kind of come from it and she had really good taste and was really sophisticated. So, and she put a lot of effort into her looks mm-hmm.
Libby: And so I also, to me, she actually kind of reminds me of like a Judith Light character, like physically she was very much that mm-hmm. . So, which of course what's not to love is beautiful and classy and you smell good and you know, all that stuff. Yeah. So, yeah, I had like a really complex, kind of different perspectives coming in at different angles, but, um, yeah, in general I'm like pro wealthy women,
Libby: I just like the
Julia: vibe. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I totally understand what you mean because there is something about, um, I mean, my grandparents weren't. Were not wealthy by any means. But, you know, my grandmother and grandfather always dressed really well. There was always the sophistication to them. And so if you, I mean, they were, you know, they were fairly modest people.
Julia: I don't think that my grandfather liked Cadillacs, but I don't think he would actually drive one if given the opportunity. Yeah, yeah. Um, and so, because in the black community, the Cadillac is the epitome of wealth, right? Mm-hmm. and so mm-hmm. , um, or at least for his generation. I honestly couldn't tell you what it is now.
Julia: Cause I'm like, can I ride my bike there? No. . Yeah. Is bikeable ? Yeah. Um, but just that sort of vibe of wealth. I totally get it when you, when you were talking, cause it's like, yeah, I, I get it. Because we weren't allowed to leave the house looking shabby. We weren't allowed to look. We had clothes for the house.
Julia: We had play clothes, and then we had clothes that we left the house in. Um, wow. And same. And then we had church clothes. And your church clothes were not your. You know, school clothes kind of thing. So, so there's like, I think elements there because in the sense of like, even though there wasn't like this gross amount of money floating around, or even just wealth, I mean, home ownership still kind of qualifies as contributing to your wealth.
Julia: And everyone in our family was homeowners. But it's, you know, it's a little, there's something about like, Hey, we present well, like that's the goal is to present. Well now is it, it's weird
Libby: that, like, why is that? Why do we like that? I don't know. You know, why is, yeah, it's like, is it just our superficial nature?
Libby: Like just human nature? We like looking at something that looks nice and clean and pretty and, or this, for me, I think it was about security. Mm-hmm. , I felt so much more safer and secure. , you look around in a big house, do you see that somebody has money to, they're not struggling to, you know? So for me it was like, I felt less afraid Yeah.
Libby: Being in that environment. Yeah. So maybe th that might be part of it.
Julia: Yeah. That's interesting. To this day still, Libby, like, when we leave the house and I look, when I, and I perceive that I look like trash. I say, granny would be so mad if she knew I was leaving the house like this. Like these are inside clothes.
Libby: It's like different times though. I mean, I, I'm the worst with like, you think I wouldn't be, but I, I leave the house in my pajama bottoms like so frequently. Mm-hmm. and, you know, they're the kind of target that they don't look like pajama bombs. Yeah. They're like, they could pass for like yoga pants or whatever.
Libby: Yeah. But like, they're, I slept in them. I literally slept in them and like left the house . Um, but I just like, Yeah. Honestly, there's also part of me that just thinks it looks kind of cute, so I don't care. But I know there are people who are just like, I re the pajama thing in public is just like, they can't even I think you're like that too, right?
Libby: Like you refuse. Yeah. Yeah. My sister is too. She's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I don't care. Um, I do have a, yeah. I feel like there're different times. Yeah.
Julia: I think Covid was the equalizer. Yeah. For too, for, for a lot of people. Because that's kind of what broke the camel's back for me. , I think for all, all of us.
Julia: Yeah. Because I was like, I, um, I can't, I can't. Yeah. I gotta pick up. It's just at what decisions are hard .
Libby: Yeah, totally. We're just getting by here.
Julia: Mm-hmm. . I will, I still, what does it matter? Yeah. I still am a stickler about like, people sitting in my bed though with like their outside clothes on. So when Phoebe Robinson wrote that book titled.
Julia: don't sit on my bed in your inside, outside clothes or something like that. I was like, girl. Oh, I've never heard of that. Yeah. I'm not a fan. I can't, I can't, like, even like, I'll put down another sheet on the bed if somebody wants to lay on my bed. It covers the pillows, it covers everything. I don't know what it is.
Julia: Is
Libby: it like outside, like there's like weird yucky things going on and they're bringing it inside or something, or? I don't. Okay. I mean,
Julia: we, I mean that's fascinating. People. I, I, I op, I can't believe I just submitted that. I openly admit that people aren't allowed to wear shoes in my house. Um, well
Libby: sure that's, I mean, there's gross things on
Julia: the bottom of my, and for some reason my head sort of has translated in, so I have clothes, like when I take Josephine to the dog park, if I sit on anything at the dog park bench wise, cuz the dogs are everywhere.
Julia: They're on everything. Yeah. They have no boundaries. Yeah. I will not sit anywhere in my house in those clothes.
Libby: interesting.
Julia: I think, again, I think it's my grandmother's influence and making me feel bad about like,
Libby: it sounds like it. Yeah.
Julia: Yeah. That's interesting. Well, the internet failed me when I was trying to find reviews of who's the boss from that era.
Julia: There was a lot of like reflections and things like that, and I was like, well, I don't wanna do reflections from other people. That's what we're here for, . Yeah, totally.
Libby: We're we have it covered.
Julia: Yeah. So, you know, I we're just gonna, we're just gonna, we're just gonna dive in
Libby: that convers, we don't need conversation, we need statistics, numbers.
Libby: We can figure it
Julia: out ourselves. Numbers. We can do it. Yeah. Um, so in the summary above, Angela Bauer is described as having a type a personality, type a behavior. So I kinda wanna talk about what you think of Angela, her character, how she flight portrayed her all the. Yes. Cause you grew up on the show, right?
Julia: Like you grew on the show. Oh,
Libby: my obsessed, yes. Every episode loved it. It was always on.
Julia: Yeah. Same. Loved. We had it on reruns mostly by the time I came. Yeah, because I think it aired, what did I say? When did I say it aired? You said 84 maybe. Okay, so who's the boss? And I are the same age , because we debuted the same year.
Libby: Oh, that's cute. You're both born at the same time. Yeah. Um, well first of all, can I just, I just need to put it out there because, you know, I watched a couple episodes last night as a refresh. I mean, Tony, can I just like marry him? I fucking, he's so dreamy. Yeah. And like, I mean, his fa you know, it's not like he's, I mean, he's beautiful.
Libby: Yeah. But he's not like ev it's not like he's like a. An obvious stud. Yeah. But I mean, his body's amazing, but like he's, he's so vulnerable and sweet and his chemistry with Angela, it's just like, if you go re you know, you remember it, but like, if you actually go rewatch it, just from the very beginning, they are just on fire.
Libby: Mm-hmm. . So I was just like lusting after Tony last night. I mean, he, like, y I just had to say that
Julia: he's, he's got the eighties look that I think that I always reflect on and Wish was reflected more in when we do bury pieces of the eighties because his style is
Libby: so good. Feathered hair.
Julia: Yeah. Yeah. And then the tight t-shirts with the jeans.
Julia: Yeah. Like that is, that's
Libby: choice. Yeah. But, and I, yeah, he just, he just was such a great guy on that show. But, you know, it's interesting, like with Angela, I remember, so she's, I actually think she's a complex character. So like, and I don't love the way the show. You know, people were, they were always making fun of her.
Libby: Mm-hmm. , like in the house, you know, like Tony's the cool one. He's the cool, fun, whatever, Mona. I mean, I don't want to, I don't wanna bash women at all, and she's a goddess and whatever, but like, I don't love her character. And I think she was, she had a little bit of that like Dorothy and Sophia thing. Yeah.
Libby: Where the mom is just constantly making the daughter feel like she's a piece of shit. Yeah. Um, and making fun of her. So, and the kids, I mean, everybody just like ganged up on Angela and Angela was kind of portrayed as like this dork. Mm-hmm. like this stick in the mud. Oh, she's never has fun. She wa whatever.
Libby: But it's just, it was frustrating. Cause it's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. She fucking owns her own advertising agency in New York. Mm-hmm. , like, how is she getting no respect from her household? You know? And I mean, I guess that was like part of the premise of the show, but in a weird way I kind of feel like they didn't, I don't know if they didn't like honor her as much or maybe I, I know in later seasons, like they brought in a whole like Bower agency and then Tony worked there.
Libby: Right. And that was a whole, it was much more focused on her as a career person. But like in the beginning it's just like they're just making fun of her left and right. And I didn't love that. I
Julia: remember there being like, I remember the vibe being very much like Tony is clearly the one that we are supposed to love and be in love with.
Julia: Yeah. Regardless of what your beliefs are, like Tony is. The star, but I also remember like feeling like are all professional businesswomen, this uptight, like that kind of, because she was so, to me she was so uptight and then, and then when they would kind of egg her on to sort of like not be so uptight, that always made me feel uncomfortable cuz I hate it when, like, if somebody triggers me and I'm, and I get into this area of being uncomfortable and then you keep trying to get me to loosen up.
Julia: I just get more uncomfortable and more withdrawn. Yeah. And more, more tight. Totally.
Libby: And it's like, if you're uptight, you're uptight. Like, I mean, I'm uptight , like I'll say I'm, I'm controlling, I'm a controlling person, you know, like, and I can be super laid back and, you know, I'm, I don't think I'm like Angela, but like I c if somebody was like, Libby, just relax.
Libby: That's the, that's textbook the worst fucking thing you can say to somebody. Yeah. When you're trying to get them to calm down. So it's like, she was who she was and yeah, it was just kind of like a bummer that, um, it was just, she was constantly getting like, poked at and just not, and you know, there were moments where Tony.
Libby: Of course he was like falling in love with her. Mm-hmm. . So he appreciated her and he adored her and saw her in this way. But it's like they were all still making fun of her the whole time. And it's like she couldn't help it. And, and I do think, you know, your question about like, are all professional women uptight?
Libby: Is it weird if I say I think yes. I don't think that's weird. It's like you have so much stress, you have so much responsibility, you're so fucking responsible and on have everything under control. Like you have so much to manage, how could you not be a type A kind of personality?
Julia: Yeah. And you almost have to be territory.
Julia: Yeah. Because like we talked about in our working girl episode, like when you're a high level executive in female, especially in the eighties, like you, there's a certain game you have to play to stay on top. Whether or not you agree with the game, it almost doesn't matter. Like it's a point, a point of survival at this, you know, at this juncture in her career.
Julia: Yeah. And
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Libby: don't have the luxury of. Choosing whether or not to have fun or be a fun person, like, oh, it's so great. You're at home, you're like the housekeeper. You get to like be the fun, whatever, but like you're at home not to put down taking care of house, but like you're at home taking care of house.
Libby: Like you can relax a little bit. Or you, you are much more open to like playing with the kids. And whereas like she is fucking like had a board meeting with the whatever, like that's major stress. Like how can you not, how can you come home and then just be like, yay, let's have a, you know, pool party and like throw food at each other.
Libby: Like, no.
Julia: And it's advertising. Advertising is a notoriously uh, insane, yeah, insane industry because it's very much like, it's an, it's expense. Like there's, the expenses are high, the different and in the eighties. So what are mediums? Were television and print. Right. You know, nowadays it's a little bit more extensive, but Oh, and broadcast.
Julia: So you had like, like B just broadcast radio, right? Yeah, like radio. Television and print. Yeah, media. So you're having to like, depending on what kind of ad agency you are, you might be doing commercials and radio and print stuff, which are all three different elements that you have to do, like configure.
Julia: So it's not like her job is easy. It's kind of already cutthroat because you could easily lose business just as, as you can. Well, I don't even know how easy it is to gain business, honestly. I feel like it's always like, like you're pitching all the time and people are coming to you and you're drafting pi.
Julia: Like it just, she's funny. Feels like you get that from fighting for work.
Libby: Yeah. Like and I learn everything I know about advertising from Mad Men. Yeah. , which just like another show, but it's like they had a whole. department of people who were literally, their job was to just, oo, smooth what's schmooze there, go wealthy people and bring them in.
Libby: Mm-hmm. like that was, and it was a constant, you're constantly cultivating relationships. So, and you can constantly lose clients at any time, like, oh my god, beyond stressful.
Julia: Yeah. And then to have to come home and like, so, and I've talked about this on the show before, like when my home is my sanctuary, I do not wanna come home and then feel like I'm still on guard.
Julia: Cuz we're already on guard when we leave our house and are in the world anyway. Yeah. So then to come home and not be like at peace because everyone's making fun of me. That's actually my nightmare. .
Libby: I mean, it sounds pretty horrible and especially it's like, look, motherfuckers, I just brought in all the money that is paying for the roof over your head.
Libby: Mm-hmm. like, you know, that kind of wasn't really thrown around in the show. . Um, you know, I'm not saying it should have been or it shouldn't have been, but it's, it's almost like the, the fact that she was this advertising exec was this really, really seemingly small part of her character. You know, like it was, it was part of the plot in every, you know, oh, I came from work.
Libby: Oh, I had to cancel on this. Oh. Because I'm so busy. But like, it wasn't like, look, she's fucking paying for four people's livelihoods. Yeah. Like, can we just, like, that's a big deal. Like nobody should be like giving her shit. Yeah. Like ever. Really. That's kind of frustrating.
Julia: Yeah. I did also think that there was a level of elegance to her that I really
Libby: loved, and I feel like we mentioned Word, the French twist.
Libby: Mm-hmm. , she always had the French twist .
Julia: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, and last time you were here, I think I said like, you know, Claire Huxtable was my first like, um, example of a wealthy woman. When I think about all the shows that I watched in the eighties and the women that I really liked the most on television.
Julia: Mm-hmm. , Claire's number one. And I think Angela's number two because they had a similar style. Yeah. And they had a similar vibe. Claire was more warm. That, that I can recall. I don't recall Angela being warm. Like, I mean, I'd have to go back and now that I know where I can find watching season one of who's Totally, yeah.
Julia: I think I'm gonna have to go back. But I don't remember her. Like, I remember her being warm with her son and like, you know, she had those moments with Samantha cuz Samantha doesn't have a mom, so she got to be Yeah. Like female motherly there. Yeah. Where I should say daughter motherly there. Um, but like with her mom and, you know, it's, you know, it's kind of frigid and so she, yeah.
Julia: She wasn't like, she's not like the de like she wasn't. Like with Claire, you got the sense like, she's gonna make the brownies for the bake sale. Mm-hmm. and like she's showing up to all the football games while still being this powerhouse attorney. I didn't get that vibe from Angela necessarily, but I did like how they were both very polished.
Julia: How they were both well presented and even in their casual clothing, they still were very put together.
Libby: Gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, and this is just, cuz Angela's like literally fresh in my mind from yesterday. I actually think Angela, I think you're right. There maybe is a coldness to her. Like, because she wasn't as hands on in the house.
Libby: Mm-hmm. . But there were, if you go back and rewatch, there's something about Angela compared to Claire. Angela is actually a bit more like unhinged Oh. In moments because she has this like, and it, it's definitely like with Tony, like Tony had this ability to just like, Level her where she would, I mean, and it, this is also just like, uh, uh, Judith Light as an actress.
Libby: It's also saying a lot about this cuz Judith could, she could turn to being this really hard, I am, I am the woman of, I just came from whatever and then just be like, so vulnerable. And in a moment I'd just be like, thank you Tony, thank you for you. I don't know. She just has this way of turning on this, like all of a sudden she's so vulnerable and, and raw.
Libby: And she, and it was like more during like romantic moments with Tony, but even like Tony did something very sweet for her and she'd all of a sudden just be really vulnerable and be like, thank you Tony. You know? And it was like, oh my God. She's like so vulnerable with him. And, but the unhinged tube, you know, there were even just the four episodes that I watched.
Libby: There's this some scenes where she has her like hair kind of up in this funky bun, and her glasses are kind of falling off her nose, and then she's a little bit clutsy, you know? Mm-hmm. , like, part of her character is a little bit like Clutchy. I mean, Claire would not be called dead trip. I mean, she is like, she just is full goddess.
Libby: Whereas, you know, Angela, she's a little, she's got the dorky, the klutzy, the, you know, kind of a little goofy thing. Mm-hmm. . Um, and to me that maybe does warm her a little bit. Like it cuts the like coldness in half. So I feel like she does switch back and forth between, I just came from work, I'm on top of things to like, I don't know what's going on in my household.
Libby: What's happening, help me. Um, so yeah. To me that's like really endearing about her character.
Julia: Yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah. What did you think about her relationship with Tony? Because, I mean, I feel like. When the later seasons came and they got romantic with each other, truly romantic with each other. It was like, well, obviously that was gonna happen.
Libby: I mean, I honestly can't say enough about their, like I, if you actually go rewatch the whole, their whole love story, it's like fantasy worthy, like fantasizing. Um, I mean even, and I just watched the, it was the, I went to season one and it was like the first like four episodes and, and then I think I, cause I wanted all the romance, so I think I've like watched like the end of season one, you know, cause I wanted to see like, and it was like called the Kiss or something.
Libby: I was like, oh, I'm watching this . Um, so they're romance. Romance started like pretty early on. Like they got right into it in even in the first season. . I am so pro. I just think, I mean, I think if you're comparing it to like reality, it's tricky because it's like they're raising e there. There's so many boundaries that are crossed.
Libby: Like they're raising each other's kids. Even in one of the first episodes, it was the episode where Tony walks in, which is like classic Tony walks in on Angela naked coming outta the bath. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, okay. She already, he already saw her naked. That's huge. Like, I could go my whole life without a man ever seeing me naked.
Libby: Yeah. Like that's a big fucking, that's intimate, you know? Yeah. Um, but I think. , I, their chemistry was so immensely powerful. Mm-hmm. that I l I love their romance. Um, I mean, if anything, I think that, again, I think they should just poke, he should just poke less fun at her. Um, but she kind of poked right back.
Libby: Mm-hmm. . But I don't know, I kind of think they're well matched. Maybe I'm just completely in daydream land , but I fucking love their romance. I love their romance. I'm addicted to it. And their chemistry is delicious. I don't know. What do you, what do you think? Yeah,
Julia: I remember loving it too, because I think that's because, because you know, after I became a single parent, after a while you get lonely cuz the world, whatever.
Julia: Yeah. Even, yeah. Yeah. So this fantasy would start where it was like, oh, like I would meet, like I would meet somebody at a convenience, but we weren't, we were. Like it was clearly gonna be like an en enemy to like lover situation. Mm-hmm. . And I think that it stems from who's the boss, even though they weren't enemies.
Julia: That's so funny. They were, you know, kind of. I, I, you know, they were, they were, they had conflict and they were sort of on different sides of the coin in the beginning.
Libby: Yeah. They were like the odd couple. It's like, yeah, yeah. These two people do not seem like they go together
Julia: at all. Yeah. That's a great comparison.
Julia: Um, and so I had that fantasy in my mind. Still probably do actually. Oh my God. Sometimes I still, sometimes I still think like, now that my kid's going off to college, I'm like, oh, he's gonna bring, like, I have these fantasies that he'll bring like a grown ass man home who's lonely and doesn't have family, and we don't spend holidays alone in our family.
Julia: Like, that's not a thing. Yeah. Um, and like there's been variations of that. And I think it comes from who's the boss? Because I fucking love that. That's amazing. You get that. Yeah. So they, and I love how it's slow, it's a slow burn because so much of that's like's what I was gonna say. Yeah. Romcoms and like romantic movies.
Julia: It's you. You don't get the slow burn anymore. They make everything happen within three weeks. So then it's this false idea that, oh, I could fall in love in three weeks.
Libby: Yeah. Or bridges of Madison County. That's four days. Yeah. And so is which like, so believable the way they do it, but it's like that was four days.
Libby: Like you can completely stranger .
Julia: Exactly. And so it's inter so, so that's, I think, oh, I'm gonna, yes, the eighties. Eighties is the reason why I want a slow burn kind of love because Angela and Tony, when Harry met Sally, like you have these scenarios where it take even and you've got mail. It takes them like a year, a full year to like come together and you see that transition over time and it's done so well.
Julia: And I love that about their relationship because it shows like you're, they're building something. They're literally building something without necessarily realizing it because he's moved in under the guise of, you'll be the keeper of the house. Yeah. So it's like no intentions of like falling in love.
Julia: And then of course, you know, they just both happen to be incredibly attractive humans. I don't think, yeah. I don't think 1980s Tony Danza could have moved into my house and I would've been, I would've had any chill .
Libby: There's no way to be like, oh, he's just my housekeeper. Mm-hmm. . Like, there's no way to just see him.
Libby: Is that like Right. No, but you're so right. Like the burn. That's the other thing that I just think this, they sh the show, they did it so well. It was like, because half the, you know, most of the episodes, it's not like there's romance going on with them. They're just, but they do put in, in every episode, there is a moment here.
Libby: Mm-hmm. where they got to know each other a little bit better, or like they had, and even just the whole episode built up to like maybe those 15 seconds of their chemistry, and that was like that episode. Mm-hmm. . But it's like, that's in real life and in reality that's so delicious. And it's like you put.
Libby: Two people in a situation like that, it's almost like you can't not fall in love. I mean, unless you're like repulsed by the person. But even if you're not like initially attracted to the person and you're in that situation, how can you not, how can it not turn into something? Cuz it's just, yeah, it's, the groundwork is there and it's just delicious.
Libby: And
Julia: I don't think we put enough emphasis just culturally on that too. Right? Like, yeah, you're such an emphasis on it's gotta be hot and heavy and steamy from the beginning and I've gotta feel something like
Libby: I'm, yeah, if you want it to break up, if you wanna break up in two months, like yeah, I guess if you want it hot and heavy at first, but it'll probably won't last.
Libby: Even though,
Julia: you know, the eighties were a little like upon reflection we're like, Ooh, problematic in some way. Yeah. There's still some value, I think, in what we can learn about storytelling from the eighties. Um. , and again, I'm thinking specifically of the stories that you were here, of the shows that you've been here for
Julia: Yeah. But I think totally, I think there's a reason why when Harry met Sally is always the number one romcom in the world. And I, 15 years, as far as I know, the only romcom ever nominated for a freaking Academy award in current God, modern history. Right. Um, but it's that, it's that there, there's a, the, the level of friendship that Harry and Sally have, I see that in Angela and Tony too, because it's more than just about being the ki about the kids in the house.
Julia: Like they, they eventually get to know each other better and respect each other and like move into this place of, you know, yes, I'm your housekeeper and yes, you're a boss. I hate that phrase, .
Libby: Yeah. Who? Who says that? I don't
Julia: know. It was like a thing for a while. Oh. Um, okay. So let's say it like this. Yes.
Julia: You're my housekeeper. And yes, I'm like this big level executive, but there's like equal footing when they have conversations with each other. Especially when you get to leader seasons. Yeah. And I think that's really, they
Libby: seem to really like each other as people. Mm-hmm. . That's what's so, and you know, Harry met Sally.
Libby: I feel like they're actually two different slow burn love stories, but they're equally effective. But like Harry Met Sally was more, you know, they kind of bugged each other at first. Yeah. Yeah. And they just sort of warm to each other and then just became really devoted to each other. And that's, then they fell in love and that's amazing.
Libby: With Angela and Tony, I feel. . I actually think their chemistry was way stronger. And they just actually just, and you are thrown into a house together. Or as Harry met Sally, like they're living in a city together. Yeah. They don't have to. But I think that like Tony and Angela just, there were times where, you know, everybody is picking on Angela and Tony would be the one to like step in and defend her.
Libby: Mm-hmm. and vice versa. And they just, I think they just liked each other as human beings. Yeah. And it does not get more romantic and delicious than that. Oh God. Honestly, single. What the hell? I know. Honestly,
Julia: like whenever I think about relationships, like when I see what some of my friends have, I'm like, God, that stresses me out.
Julia: Oh yeah. But then when I think about like the relationships that I've had that I, the ones that I miss, mm-hmm. , there was that, you know, mutual respect, you know, that we like you as a person, element. Um, those types of things. And I, and that's the stuff that I miss, is having, you know, a male relationship where there is like mutual affection and appreciation.
Julia: But it's not like I was thinking about it yesterday or the day before. I was thinking about it this week cuz you know, my, my kid's outta town right now, so it's plenty of time to feel lonely. .
Libby: Yeah. Call me whenever you need to. Of course, you know, you're, I'm available, but it's not the
Julia: same yet. Yeah. And I was just like, gosh, I miss having that person to sort of just like be next to Right.
Julia: And I think that's part of the reason why I was, you're telling me sister. I know. I said I think that's part of the reason why I was like, let's get a dog who will be, and then I'm so glad she's willing to like snuggle because Yeah, sometimes like there, I don't know if you feel it when you have contact with a living creature and I, and it's weird that it kind of, it's more, I get liken it more to like holding a baby.
Julia: Mm-hmm. . But like when I, when she just like s nudges snuggles into me and just like, oh, I need to touch you right now. Like, there's something really like comforting about that with
Libby: the dog. Yeah. I mean, there's
Julia: actual, yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, I want this in human form. Yes. .
Libby: Yeah. No, there's like, but there's actual legit chemicals.
Libby: Like the, I've always forget if it's the oxy or the dopamine, but like, I remember with my ex too, like, we would have like snuggle sessions and, you know, he was like a, he was the therapist or whatever, so he, he knew like the science behind brain chemistry. And I'd be like, I'd be like laying there. I'd be like, do you make car Dopamine levels are like skyrocketing right now.
Libby: But it was like, yes, they actually are like, you are, if you're physically. Touching another person and you're both at peace at like your chem, your brain chemistry, you're, it's like drugs. Yeah. And it's delicious and it's fucking awesome. And when that is ripped from your life, it sucks. . Yeah. Cause it's really sucks and there's nothing to replace it.
Libby: You know? I mean, a dog is probably, you know, I don't have pets, but like a dog is probably something, and it probably does help stimulate those like chemicals for you. I don't have that. I just know when I, whenever I'm like around my sister or a friend that I'm close enough, I'll just like latch onto them in like a gross way.
Libby: Yeah. Like hug them just a little longer than they want me to. Yeah. Yeah. It's so
Julia: sad. It's not sad. I do that to my kids. Sometimes I'll, I'll like walk into his room and he'll be like playing. Strategic war game with his friends online.
Libby: And I can, like, the last thing he wants is a
Julia: snuggle session with him.
Julia: Yeah. And I'll just like, grab his head and I'll just like, yeah. You know, sniff the top of his head or go in for a hug. I'm sure he loves it. He's always just like, you know, mom, mom. It's,
Libby: it's so hard. I actually like, I, you know, and this is like, I don't know if you ever experienced this, but this is a product of like breakup.
Libby: And it happened after my first breakup with my boyfriend in college. I legit, like emergency room, had a heart thing and it tested fine. Everything was fine. It was really like an emotional, Hmm. My heart was just fucked up. But I know now that um, after a heartbreak, it's normal to actually experience physical.
Libby: Sensations. And as you were talking, and I've been having this, I was having palpitations and it was like a, like a knock. It was just, my heart was just like feeling it. Um, yeah. Cause of what we're talking about. It's so real. Yeah.
Julia: It really is.
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Julia: Do you think Angela Bower's character upholds certain stereotypes?
Libby: Hmm. It like when I thought of, I feel like I hate to say yes, but I feel like perhaps yes. You know, I mean, kind of what we talked about, the type A thing. Mm-hmm. . I really just don't know any, it's not like I know a ton of like high powered career women, but like for the most part I've encountered them and they're not.
Libby: They're not the Tony types, they're not like laid back. Um, uh, so I do think, um, and, you know, stereotypes are kind of like a workaholic, maybe controlling, obviously intelligent, all these things that are kind of like required to like run a business. Mm-hmm. . But she, I do think, yes, and I, I, I always feel bad when stereotypes like align with reality, but yeah, they're in place for a reason.
Libby: I don't know. Yeah. What do you think? I feel like it was, it felt like a yes for me. Yeah. It kind of feels
Julia: like a yes for me too, because, you know, like you, when I reflect on some of the high-powered women I have ex con have had contact with, very controlled, very reserved. And it's always kind of a surprise when I would learn something about them that was like a fun fact or like, yeah.
Julia: Oh, you're a real person. Yeah. Like, like I was talking with somebody one time at this networking event. Little intimidating cuz I'm just like, oh, you, you're a big deal. Yeah. Um, and she like, I made a, like I am am the queen of like, oh, I'm awkward so I'm just gonna keep making jokes cuz like, Ooh, . And she laughed at one and I was like, oh, you've got a sense of humor.
Julia: Got it. Love that about you. Yeah. But it wasn't ever anything that I had seen in her before. Mm-hmm. And that's not anything we really see or have I seen in women similar to her position. So that was kind of refreshing. And I, and I was thinking about it a little bit deeper too. It's like, I wonder if they're not, if there's this idea that high powered women aren't allowed to be vulnerable in public spaces because Yeah.
Julia: Vulnerability is still seen as a weakness in our community. There's a lot of work to change that narrative going on, but it's still at the end of the day, like it's still not. Appreciated in the way that like, you know, normal people .
Libby: Yeah, I was just gonna say, I don't think that high powered women can really afford to let their guard down in that way.
Libby: And a lot of them, I mean I hate, I hate this, but they do still have to kind of wear that masculine energy Ha. And be kind of behave sort of. their masculine counterparts in order to kind of do, and again, like you're saying, we're working to, you know, like the, the benefit of a powerful female. She's bringing her her femaleness to the, that's why she's gonna help things.
Libby: Not because she can just be a man but have a vagina. Like she has something to, you know, her emotional perspective, her, all these other different things. Like that's actually something that the world needs, you know? But I still think you, like, you're right, they're not ready for it. They're scared of it, there's judgment.
Libby: Um, so until, and especially in the eighties, like I think women just had to behave like men. So they can't really afford, I don't think they could afford to just be real and open and vulnerable. They would just, they wouldn't be where they were if they did allow that,
Julia: what you say. Yeah. Especially when they're in a male dominated industry like advertising is.
Julia: And yeah. And I noticed that a lot of. Female execs who create their own companies that become huge. You don't really hear the same sort of criticisms coming out of those companies. Um, it's, it's like they've created space so they can be fully who they are, allow vulnerability and then also lead with empathy.
Julia: And I think that's a large part of it too. We don't equate empathy with men. No. Or masculinity, I should say. We don't, I, I, I didn't grow up equating em, empathy with masculinity like that was, which is
Libby: sad cause I think a lot of men are so empathic. Mm-hmm. .
Julia: Mm-hmm. . But, but with the representations in pop culture and just sort of like, you know, I grew the kind of environment I grew up in.
Julia: There's this like, that's, that's a, that's a, that's a chick thing. Oh,
Libby: that's so awful. Yeah. And I think modern women with like, you're talking about these kind of modern day goddesses who are running things and are, are bringing a little bit of vulnerability. I think it also has to do with like a more collaborative nature.
Libby: Like a lot of women who are just like rocking it, they have like a team of people who they rely on, who they trust, who they allow to get to know them as human beings. And they're still in charge. But like, there's a little bit more of like this collaborative, which is so I just think that's also so female.
Libby: It's not like I'm the leader and everybody else below. It's just a very much like, let's all pool together. Mm-hmm. . And so, um, I think that that can like open. Just create a more open, like strong, powerful leader type rather than this. Like, I'm in charge and nobody fucks, you know, I'm the final say. And if I let my guard down, I'm gonna have people not respect me.
Libby: And I think that happens too. So it's hard. I wouldn't wanna be a woman in charge, honestly. I don't think I could handle it. I don't think I'm built for that.
Julia: Do you think that if who's the boss was recreated today, it could exist in the way that it does?
Libby: Oh my God. That's mind blowing because
Julia: I was thinking about it this morning on my walk with the dog.
Julia: Cause I was like, you could still have high powered Angela. It's still a gender flip because we still see women shoved in really crappy gender roles.
Libby: You know what? So as I'm thinking about it, it makes me think that crappy the boss was so, yeah, it makes me think that who's the boss is so, was so ahead of its time.
Libby: Mm-hmm. because? Because I think. Absolutely it could work. And I think in a weird way, it might even work better now because there's so many households where the woman is the breadwinner, the male is just like in the eighties with Mr. Mom, which is Yes. Oh, Mr. Mom. Which was also so ahead of its time. Yeah. Um, but yeah, like, and she was an advertising too.
Libby: Um, but yeah, I think that, um, it's actually a lot more accepted to have the male running the household now. Mm-hmm. . I think that would be ama like honestly, we should like cast that and like that should be a thi like that should so be recreated. Yeah. I think it would totally work. I can't even think of a thing that wouldn't work about that.
Libby: If anything, it would just not have as much of the eighties politically incorrect things that are problematic now that we see. Yeah. So that could be amazing
Julia: because we're back into a phase of life where we have generational households. There are, even there, the world is, there's part, there's some communities who are even building residential buildings specifically.
Julia: So younger and older people can live in the same building or even be like, is that all happening
Libby: just because of money? Like people just can't, it's, that's happening. So realistic for our age that's happening. This group is like, we can't afford to live and this is so
Julia: stupid. And so you have older folks who are alone and you have younger folks who can't afford to live anywhere.
Julia: It makes sense starting to like room with each other, like they're building C communities specifically for that. So it's like a lot of the thi a lot of the things, um, about who's the boss that were super like revolutionary for 1984 still exists today. Yeah. Or not, or. I don't wanna say still exists today.
Julia: Exists today in the way that it's like, it's still like you wouldn't have to, I don't think you'd have to change anything other than what you commented on, which is like,
Libby: that's some things that were a little like, okay. Um, we've
Julia: evolved since then in that kind of thinking, so we can update that part. .
Libby: Yeah.
Libby: But like everything, and also there's so many like mixed households where it's like somebody's, they're life partners, but they're not married or they share kids, but they, or they're, they're friends, but they're not lovers, but they live together. Like, there's so many situations where there's like, things like that happening.
Libby: It's so much less questioned now. So I think that could seriously work and be amazing as an updated show. Mm-hmm. , I
Julia: love it. And you know, maybe like recast it in a way where you do have a little bit more ethnic diversity. Oh yes. I love like only murders in the building because Martin Shortz ca Well, I love it for so many reasons.
Julia: Oh
Libby: yeah, I've watched the first episode of that. I liked
Julia: it. Yeah. But Mar later, I don't know if you see him in the first episode, but later in the season one, you learned that Martin Short's son is black because he was married. You know, he and his wife at the time was black. Oh, I think I was in the
Libby: episode.
Libby: I saw he went to go see him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, and I just
Julia: love that they didn't do any explanation. They just were like, here's
Libby: my kid, we can examine. And there was no buildup to it. It was just like he showed up at his house and they're like, oh, they're talking, oh wait, that's his son. Oh yeah. Yeah. And it was like, this is so natural.
Libby: Yes. Perfect. And
Julia: I love that. And I'm of the school of thought, and I think that's because I grew up in a, you know, bicultural home. Like I don't always need to have it explained on why that's the family built. Like, um, uh, Why that's the family, let me put it that way. Because, because I was telling somebody the other day, but I've always had to explain who my parents are because nobody believes that my parents are my parents.
Julia: Cuz we don't all obvi obviously look like each other in the way that like, you know. Yeah. You know how some families are just like, holy shit you all.
Libby: Oh yeah, I know. Everybody's
Julia: like, you look like you're, yeah. Yeah. And that's not like I have to point it out to people that I'm a brown version of my mother.
Julia: And then when they really look at, like, pictures of my mom, especially when she was my age, like, oh yeah, I see it now. Well, nobody saw it when I was 10. So that has, that has an a, an effect on your psyche that will stick with you. Yeah. Mm-hmm. so. Seeing TV shows in seeing entertainment now sort of accept that you can just exist as a person Right.
Julia: Who's non-white or a a multiethnic family and it doesn't have to be explained.
Libby: Right. And that's, that's fine to you, that that's what was so great about that scene because the focus of the scene with Martin Short and his son, it was, it was not about it. The, the race part wasn't even addressed. And it was actually a very real kind of fucked up father-son dynamic where mm-hmm.
Libby: you know, the son was pissed off cuz he on the father only comes when he needs money. He doesn't, he doesn't care about, he's not really involved. It's a very real father son dynamic and that was the main part of the scene. And it's just not a thing that they're two different races. Mm-hmm. and that's, I mean, you've been talking about this for a while, but that's how everything with race in the media should be.
Libby: You know, it shouldn't be a show about race. It should be, this is just happening cuz this is normal and everybody's a person and we still have our human problems. That's what we wanna kind of talk
Julia: about. It's normalizing it. There is a fraction of the internet that's like, you can't make a show about black people not talk about black issues.
Julia: And I'm like, okay, sure. Like if we're loud at a freaking place that isn't used to loud people and the cops show up. Sure. Like we write that in. Yeah. But for the most part, like, yeah. If we're in our own space, living our own lives, you know, there are points. Is it like I'm processing the world right now, right?
Julia: Because I'm mm-hmm. . Because when you have racial identity issues, because the world tells you who you are, rather than allowing you to figure out who you. . Mm-hmm. , it's a journey. Some people, by the time they're my age, they have it. They have it unlocked. Mm-hmm. They're dialed in, they know exactly who they are.
Julia: I feel that way. I wanna say 85% of the time. Mm-hmm. . And then the other 15% I call into question gets called into question a lot because I want a romcom where they can just exist. Right. I want a romcom with a beautiful black man and a beautiful black woman, and they can just exist and we don't have to worry about when they get pulled over, you know, we don't have to see them getting pulled over.
Julia: We don't have to see any of that. About what it's like being black in America. And there's so many, like I saw a TikTok the other day. A friend of mine sent it to me and the person in the TikTok was commenting about, he's like, have you noticed that television lately? Like it's all pretty mu, like for black tv, it's all pretty much like with a heavy racial message of like, we need equality and equity.
Julia: And I was like, gosh. Yeah. Like in the nineties we had shows. I don't remember Martin being so heavy handed about racial issues. I don't remember that. Okay.
Libby: So it was more just like, this is, this is like representative of like black culture. Mm-hmm. . And we're kind of in our own world here. This is who we are.
Libby: You can watch it or not watch it, and there's some criticism, but it was also fucking funny. So it's like everybody watched it. Yeah. And it was entertaining. Yeah. And so
Julia: there's criticism on one side that says you can't ex exit, you can't create black. Stories without fully encompassing the black experience, which includes the horrors that we have to live through every day.
Julia: And then there's the other side where it's just like, I just don't really wanna be traumatized and by watching entertainment shows. So, because we have to leave the house and get traumatized. So can we just also get to exist because it's Yeah. You in the, you, well you in the white culture. That was rude.
Julia: Well, I
Libby: do, I mean, I am So you can .
Julia: Yeah. But in the, you know, in the white community pop culture is balanced enough in the sense in entertainment where you can just have stories of white people existing. Yeah. It's
Libby: almost like what you, what is needed is kind of, it's almost like a little bit of both, which is what white people have the privilege.
Libby: We have a privilege of, we can indulge in like a white people problem or some traumatic whatever thing. But we can also indulge in like, This is just a not, I mean, obviously race is not a thing for white people anyway, but like, it can, we just have the luxury of like having something light and airy or have something heavy and we can do both.
Libby: Whereas right now with like black culture in the media, it's kind of like, maybe it's like not allowed for both, you know? It's like right now. Yeah. That's how I to feel. I feel like it's, yeah, but it's, we should have both cuz,
Julia: because when I saw that, that's real. Yeah. When I saw that TikTok, I was like, holy shit.
Julia: And I, I, my friend and I were talking about it, I was like, I literally can't come up with a show right now in my mind where there isn't a heavy-handed message about being black, which for some people might be a turnoff for them to watch. And then, isn't that, isn't that going against what the point is in trying to like gain Yeah, that's, that's understanding of other cultures, right?
Julia: Yeah. That's your whole. then I thought, well, grown-ish kind of does, does a good job of letting these kids just exist. And then sometimes it comes up. Okay. So maybe, so sometimes the internet validates what I'm feeling and then I get back into that 85% confident of my racial identity. . But
Libby: also, yeah, go ahead.
Libby: No, no, go ahead. In the case of, I
Julia: was gonna say in the case of who's the boss, if, if, if this type of show were to exist today, I could see Angela being a high powered executive black woman.
Libby: How fucking cool would that be?
Julia: And then you have like,
Libby: would it be a white man or a black man?
Julia: I want a neo biracial guy.
Julia: I Right.
Libby: Or like maybe non-white, like a Lenny Kravitz looking motherfucker. . Yeah.
Julia: Or even, you know, non-white. It doesn't matter. And then, and then they get to exist in the way, like, you know, okay, maybe in every now and then we have an episode where something about race comes up, but it's not the whole show.
Libby: I think it would be kind of amazing. It, would it be totally ignorant to say what if it was never addressed, like almost blatantly. Like the race thing was never addressed. But that's what the Cosbys did. Well,
Julia: the co I was gonna say that's what the Cosbys did to an extent. Like they did, you know, touch on Martin Luther King Jr.
Julia: They did, they did talk about, you know, the bigger things, but they never talked about it on a micro level. And they, there is criticism on the show against that. Some people call the Cosby Show. part of Reagan's agenda, . Um, I mean, the
Libby: Cosbys were definitely intimidating. I will say that. Like, you're like, oh gosh, I don't think I'm proper enough to, and
Julia: I think that would be true if the Cosby show existed as a white family.
Julia: Mm-hmm. . Totally. So, I don't know. I, it's hard, it's hard, but I think part of the reason why it's so hard to sort of make these feel about certain things is because, again, you know, we don't have a ton of content right now where mm-hmm. people who are non-white get to just exist in their stories rather than it being like, you know, some sort of like, moral to something.
Julia: So you
Libby: know that you have to write something for this. Right. I, I've started, I had Are you
Julia: doing it? I have something I've written. Yeah.
Libby: Um, as you were talking, I do think it's like the best idea to do the balance of, you know, like have a show. Just be. The race is a thing, but it's not a thing. But then every once in a while pepper in some storyline because it is like, yeah, but that's a reality.
Libby: You can't just like live in a dream world and make it seem like it's not a reality. Mm-hmm. , because that's also problematic. So yeah, I feel like there has to be a balance. Yeah, I agree. But if anybody's gonna strike it, it would be you.
Julia: Thanks friend. Yeah. I started writing something a couple years ago. I wrote 10 episode, 13 episodes.
Julia: Now I just need to like get my shit together and try and sell it. Oh my God. You
Libby: have to. You have to. What's the worst again? Say? They'll say no. Probably they'll say no, but just keep throwing it at people. Just
Julia: keep trying because when I started writing it, I was like, oh, I could totally play myself. Cuz you know I have acting experience.
Julia: Yeah. I mean it's stage acting. It's a little different than screen. But I could convert. Oh
Libby: my god, I could so see you.
Julia: Well, and now that I'm getting like older and older and older, I'm like, shit, I need to still look like I'm 35 if I wanna be able to
Libby: play this character. Or like rewrite the script to be like an older one.
Libby: Yeah, . Just to give yourself like a 10 year wiggle
Julia: room. Yeah. Or, or do a completely different show, similar vibe. I don't know. I could be a one trick pony. There's a lot of people out there who are one trick ponies who are just giving us the same shit over and over and over again.
Libby: Oh my God. Different actors now.
Libby: I want you to be in this show. I want you to be in this show. Please make this happen. That would just, oh my God, it would be so great. I'm trying. I also just think it would be really successful. Like I just, I can't think of someone who'd be like, I don't wanna watch this woman.
Julia: Because the, because the story is about, you know, a single mixed story, mom, haha, that's me.
Julia: Whatever. Raising it, child. Ha ha I mean,
Libby: Pamela Aly did that. It's her life. Like it's a
Julia: That's true. Yeah. Better things is such a good show. You can do that. And so like the whole show you, she sort of start, she real like her kids, kid's a freshman and she realizes like, oh shit. Like I have to start figuring out my life.
Julia: Yeah. Yeah. You also follow the kid a little bit too in his journey. Um, and like, because he's, you know, also ethnically ambiguous, but a little bit lighter cuz my son's a little bit lighter. Yeah. Um, and just sort of navigating the world, being varying degrees of ethnic ambiguity, um, but also like, you know, dealing with relationships and, oh my God, Jules, you know,
Libby: all this stuff.
Libby: So I have to do this. I can't even, I'm so excited about this.
Julia: Maybe I have the script's handwritten. I gotta get 'em typed up. Maybe I'll put it in a Google Doc so you can read it.
Libby: Send it to me and I'll type 'em up or something. I don't know. You have to do this
Julia: by the end of who's the boss, Angela's character has softened Tony's carefree attitude has rubbed off on her and vice versa with Tony.
Julia: What was great about who's the boss is that it flips the gender script, as we've mentioned before, by having the male lead be the one doing most of the domestic work for me, without thinking too deeply about it, I do recall this as the first time I've seen a man in this type of role on television. Libby, I always love it when you come by Same, and not just selfishly, cause we get to actually see each other in real time, but be, I know, but because we always have great conversations.
Libby: Yeah, totally. Same. Will you
Julia: please tell our friends at home where they can find you if they wanna keep up with you online?
Libby: Yes, you can follow me on Instagram at the Goddess Attainable and check out my blog@thegoddessattainable.com
Julia: and we'll link everything in the show notes. So there's no excuse for, um, missing all of the goodness that is the Goddess Attainable.
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