Ted Lasso | 18
Show Notes:
Mario Mello joins us as we discuss all three seasons of Ted Lasso. We dive into the relationships and what we can lear from the show as a whole.
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Other interviews mentioned in the Show:
Brene Brown interviews Sarah Niles (Dr. Sharon Fieldstone)
University of Denver’s Radio Ed episode about The Ted Lasso Effect
Additional Reads: NPR's Top 5 Lasso Moments
Transcript:
Mario: I wanted to show you. Oh, show me my little
Julia: Ted Lasel pop. Oh my God, that's so cute. Little cheese, little
Mario: Ted lasso withe. Yeah. This came out last year. It was a edition I bought.
Mario: Come out with December. I'm hoping you'll have I, Jamie Tart and Roy Kent. I,
Julia: I was just gonna say, have to know when Jamie Tart and Roy can't come out. Cause those are the two that I would want because by the end of this, they were my favorites. Yep.
Julia: Hey friends, this is pop culture makes me jealous where we analyze pop culture through the lenss of race or gender and sometimes both. On today's episode, we are talking about the Beloved Apple Plus Show Ted Lasso with movies with Mr. Mario.
Julia: Okay, Mario, I am so glad you're back. We, you are literally the most frequent guest at this point. I feel like reoccurring. Um, and I'm so excited you're here to talk about Ted Lasso. Ted Lasso. Ted Lasso. I love Ted Lasso. Oh, me too. So friends at home, if you, if you are new to the show, Mario is a movie reviewer.
Julia: You can find him on Instagram at movies with Mr. Mario, and he has been on this show a lot. And, um, yeah, welcome back, Mario.
Mario: Well, thank you. Thank you for bringing me here. Especially talking about one of my favorite shows of all time.
Julia: Oh, I love that. It's one of your favorite shows. I had no idea. Yeah, maybe I, maybe I did know.
Julia: I think I did know. I'm just really bad at being like a friend.
Mario: I know if I wouldn't coordinate this better, it should have shot this at work. Cause I have like my belief side and my cubicle. I have my TED lasso calendar, have little CS magnets everywhere.
Julia: I love it. My whole it, my cubicle is decked out. Oh my gosh.
Julia: I'm so excited for this chat then, because I don't actually think we've ever had a full fledged deep combo about ted. I think we mostly just like in passing, have shared tidbits. So this is back and forth. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm excited. Okay, friends, so if you aren't familiar, Ted Lasso hit Apple Plus on August 14th, 2020.
Julia: And normally we hit the Googles for a summary, but I really liked what Variety had to say in 2020. So here it is, quote from Variety August, 2020. Developed by Sudakis, Brendan Hunt, Joe Kelly and Bill Lawrence. Ted Lasso takes a couple shortcuts to breeze past the rather unbelievable premise of even a fictional Premier league club, hiring an American manager with zero experience, having recently won a FFC Richmond in a messy divorce.
Julia: New owner, Rebecca wants to get revenge on her cheating husband by tanking the franchise he's loved all his life. If this sounds an awful lot to you, like 1980 nines major league, you are not entirely incorrect. Ted always game for a challenge in wanting to give his wife Michelle some space takes Rebecca up on her offer to become manager alongside is Taciturn, right hand Mann coach Beard end quote.
Julia: Um, and I think that's literally episode one. So way back when. Way back when. Way back when in the throes of Covid 19, which none of us wanna relive. So we're just gonna briefly talk about how Ted Lasso came at a time when we all felt more out of sorts. Realizing humanity is weird, and wondering if we'll ever see kindness again.
Julia: Enter Ted lasso roger ebert.com had this to say about the first three episodes. Quote, the story's gooey. Nature is fair game, but it's nearly maddening by how unfunny it is specifically being based around someone the world could use more of in its first couple of episodes, especially the series is dry.
Julia: When getting to know DE's one note ray of sunlight and filled with played out jokes like the pronunciation of gif or a plethora of culture shock moments like lasso calling tea, hot brown water. Like much of the show, it all feels very safe, which is often a nice word for lazy end quote. Do you think that reviewer regrets what they had to say?
Julia: Right? It's hard to deny the magic of season one with quirky characters and men. Women can undoubtedly fall in love with the show. Endeared viewers from all over. Anyone with Apple Plus couldn't stop discussing this show. So over the course of its three seasons, so far, the show has 156 awards nominations and 75 wins.
Julia: This includes in 2021 and 2022. Outstanding comedy series. Jason Sudeikis, winning for Outstanding Lead Actor in a comedy se series. Brett Goldstein for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a comedy series. And in 2021, Hannah Watham won Outstanding supporting actress in a comedy series, as well as, uh, loads of Emmys for other writing and directing.
Julia: So the finale of Ted Lasso aired May 30th, 2023. And at the time of this recording, that was yesterday. This episode is going to be devoted to all three seasons of Ted Lasso. Did I miss anything?
Mario: Okay. I always like to, I always like to miss. Make a disclaimer though, if you have not watch, so show this is a spoiler filled spoiler show.
Mario: Yeah. So if you watched it come back after you watched all three seasons, then come back and
Julia: listen. Yes. Lets moment to pause so that way people can turn off the app, their podcast player moments over.
Mario: Hey, in 2020, that was, that seems such a long time ago. It
Julia: feels like so long ago.
Mario: But I gotta say, I think that was one of Apple TV's first.
Mario: Mm-hmm. Show one of their first shows, wasn't it? Cause Apple TV was pretty new.
Julia: Yeah. They weren't, they were kind of making a big deal about how they were gonna produce original content. The morning show was one of 'em. Yeah. Which they keep bringing back. And we covered it on this show. We covered season one on this show and I refused to cover season two because I'm going to say it.
Julia: I understand. I will be blackballed for this, but the morning show is trash.
Mario: I didn't get back
Julia: to season one, so Yeah, because it's trash. Season two wasn't even any B and then they're coming back for like, see. Anyway, that's not why we're here. We're here to talk about Ted Lasso.
Mario: Yeah. Apple TV in general was trying to make a, make a, a mark on the streaming services.
Mario: Cause obviously we were all at home. Mm-hmm. So that's all we had was streaming services. Yeah. Apple tv. Apple TV was ka, came out from behind and was probably one of the last shooting services to hit. But this was one of the first, I think, original shows. Yes. They put out one of the first few. So I remember just, I remember seeing the trailer and it was like, oh, that looks kind of cool.
Mario: And because I had just gotten Apple tv, I was like, well, might as well try
Julia: it. Um, were you one of the ones who got it because you bought an Apple device so they gave it to you for free? I don't, I
Mario: wanna say I think I did because I had
Julia: think I had, I had Apple TV for free for so long that when I start, when I got charged for it, finally I was like, what the shit is this charge?
Julia: Because we're, we're an Apple family, so I bought a new MacBook. I bought a new phone, I bought an iPad. So it's like, I'm like replacing all my old tech and they're like, free, free, free Apple Plus.
Mario: There you go. But it is, it's actually like the cheapest service. Mm-hmm. Let's, it's five, $5 a month. So I mean, it's not too bad.
Mario: Yeah. And they actually have a, now they actually have a lot of good content on there and they put like free movies and actually like good blockbuster movies on there. Mm-hmm.
Julia: Sometimes. So it's kinda a sleeper hit in terms of content, because I've been watching shrinking. I watched all of shrinking in like one setting.
Julia: Also a Bill Lawrence, Brett Goldstein, collab brilliant show. So funny Stars, Harrison, Ford and Seth. Nope. Jason, Jason Siegel. Jason Siegel. I, I get the Freaks and geeks, guys confused, I guess. Um, and then I started platonic as you know, and like totally loving that show. I think it's amazing. Physical starring Rose Burn.
Julia: So good Love Rose Burn. Yeah. And she gets to be Australian. She gets to be Australian in it. Yeah. SMI is amazing. Like they have such amazing shows that you're just like, why isn't anybody talking about Apple Plus? Nope. So as we know, Ted Lasso is hired by Rebecca, who is a woman scorned, um, to basically like the variety ad said, like to basically run this league into the ground because she's so angry at her ex, um, husband.
Julia: And while the show kind of the premise is sort of a cliche, I think that they do a really good job at like. Taking that cliche and making it so human and whole and lovely and wonderful. So, I don't know, do you know anything about um, American football? I literally know like three things about American football, so like a little bit, but it's, yeah.
Julia: Yeah. But it's still funny to watch this sort of like country kid come to town to, cuz you don't think like, it's such a culture shock. So there's a lot of like Yeah. Easy jokes there that I think they made smart and funny.
Mario: Yes. And you know what's funny is cuz I was, I'm still thinking about that review.
Mario: They're saying it was un funny. It's a different type of humor. Mm-hmm. It's, it's smart humor, I guess maybe you would say.
Julia: So it's like a ripple over you. It's like there's the first wave of the chuckle and then when it starts to sink in, you're like, oh, that's
Mario: hilarious. Yeah, exactly. And I think it does, it might get a couple episodes.
Mario: To get used to what they're trying to do. Like Yeah. Another show that reminds me of that kinda humor is like The Office. Mm-hmm. I remember starting the Office and I didn't like it. Like, I was just like, this is dumb. But my friend was like, no, you gotta push through it. It's like two to three episodes, push through and then yeah, you're gonna love it.
Mario: And I pushed through and I loved it and I was a fan ever since. So I think it's one of those shows, cause I've had a couple friends who I tell, Hey, you gotta watch Chi Lasso. And they're like, we tried it, it was okay. And I'm like, gotta keep pushing, gotta keep pushing. And now they're like diehard fans and they're like up, you know, all up to the seasons and all that stuff.
Mario: So I, I get where the guy was coming from. Like, it, it takes a minute for you to kinda under actually understand what they're trying to do. And it's, I tell everybody, you gotta push through the couple episodes and sometimes that is, most of the shows, like you do have push, like they're trying something different.
Mario: Mm-hmm.
Julia: I think with the premier. Or the pilot episode, they're really, they have to set up a lot of things. Yeah. So there's a lot of groundwork happening. And that's true for a lot of pilots, right? Like a lot of pilots are really establishing the groundwork. And because streaming television doesn't really have the same restrictions of airtime like broadcast TV does, and they can play with it in different ways.
Julia: And so, like, you know, the first season, they're anywhere from 28 minutes to 32 minute episodes. They're not, they're not long. I thought they, I mean, I'm not in the same camp. When the show aired and I watched the first episode, I was like, yep. And then it's like, is it because all of the soccer players are hot men?
Julia: And I'm totally fine with watching that for 30 minutes. Or, you know, Roy Kent is adorable. So even though he's like a gruff, angry guy, like, I'm wanna watch, you know what I mean? So there's a lot of variables of like, mm-hmm. Why did I stick with it? But then when you do. And I think that's why dropping three, two to three episodes at first is really helpful with a new show.
Julia: Because then you are like, okay, I'll give this second episode a try, and then hopefully in theory by the third episode, you're like, where's the rest? Right? I'm addicting. Give it to me all now, please. Mm-hmm. But you know, I, I enjoyed watching this sort of like, you know, American guy trying to figure out England.
Julia: I thought it was funny, and I don't know if you watch a lot of British television, this is not a conversation we've ever had, but I've basically grew up on P B S, which is all British television. Yeah.
Mario: P pbc,
Julia: all that stuff. Yes. Masterpiece Theater. Like it is, it is what our household was watching all the time.
Julia: So there's a lot of like, British E type things that are tied in where it's like, yeah, as an American you would think tdays when VCRs were king. My dad would record that. Like so what was on, what he recorded for his kids all the time. The Cosby Show. R i p. Right. Like it's so sad now that it's, you can't, it's like hard to watch now. Family ties and then Fairytale Theater.
Julia: Like we had so much fairytale theater that I think. The opposite of Hap, like what happened to me was like, I'm cool on fairy tales. I've had enough. My entire childhood was all that, but a version of a fairytale is a romcom. So maybe that's how it translated. The whole premise of the show is rooted in sort of this character that was created, I think.
Julia: Did they air on e s, espn? Like he's like did commercials or something as this character? I can't, I don't, I don't watch the only, the only sport channel I watch is when the Giants are playing, and I've not seen it on there. So it must bes ESPN or something like
Mario: that about England if you don't know. Yeah. You know what I mean? So mm-hmm. I thought it was really fun.
Mario: I just think, no, I'm thinking. I used to watch, um, my favorite thing from the pbs, the DBC was the, the Chronicles Zar.
Mario: Did you ever watch that old one? It so good. It so, so recently watched it like about a month ago. They have the new ones, obviously. Yeah. Watch. And I was watching, I was like, oh my gosh, that's so cheesy. The puppets are horrible, but it's still so good to me. I'm like, yeah, I still watch them. And I'm like, like, they don't make like that
Julia: stuff anymore.
Julia: I know. Um, fairytale Theater was a huge one in our house. Went back in the hat? Yeah. Like it was based on a character or something.
Mario: Mm-hmm. From there, right? Yeah.
Julia: Yeah. So I'm wondering what, okay, so Rebecca is the owner of the, uh, Richmond team. The Richmond team, the football club. She's this tall, Gorgeous, powerful woman who is confident on the outside and inside. Sometimes she has moments of insecurity, but we all do. Um, but she is just like kind of intimidating, but in the beginning she's just all prickles and quills, if you will.
Julia: And her relationship with Ted, I feel like, I feel like Ted just makes everybody melt and turns into like a better version of themselves.
Mario: Well, he starts with, uh, biscuits with the boss. Mm-hmm. Because he makes, like, he gives her the set of biscuits and it, she's like, oh, and she, at first she didn't want, but then she tried something.
Mario: She's like, Oh my gosh. These are just like the ones I used to have as a kid. And then he turns it into, Ooh, let's have biscuits with the boss. And that's, you know, his little puns and Yeah. And
Julia: she's like, absolutely. Little dates not. Yeah. She's like, I do not want this. This is not a thing I asked for, why are you here?
Julia: And she's like, I'm here cuz you hired me not for this, you know? Yes.
Mario: But in every episode, every time he comes to her every morning, he brings her little biscuits and we find out, like, I think by the end of the season, that he's the one that actually makes them. Mm-hmm. Cause at first he doesn't tell her where he gets them.
Mario: Yeah. So, but we find out he learned how to make them and made them. And I was just like, oh, that's so sweet. And to do that every day.
Julia: Yeah. That's a lot of work. I can barely make breakfast every day, let alone like a complicated pastry. Like No. Um, oh my gosh. Higgins, I didn't even put Higgins on our list.
Mario: Oh, Higgins.
Julia: I'm sorry. Higgins. Um, if you were a fan of Downton Abbey Higgins is Sprt. Violet Crawley's Butler. So to see him go from sort of this rigid 1920s butler who's like, I do my job, leave me alone. I do my job well, don't threaten me, kind of guy, to a very lovable, humble, sweet, sometimes, sometimes misguided assistant is really, really fun.
Julia: Because then you get to see the range that he has as an actor. Yeah. Because his character is so different from sprt. But what I love about the relationship of Ted and Rebecca is that, so one of the things that I am gonna backtrack a little bit, the internet was constantly spinning theories about how like, oh, Ted and Rebecca are gonna get together.
Julia: Ted and Rebecca have this tension. Ted and Rebecca. Ted and Rebecca, Ted and Rebecca. And for me, I was like, no, Ted and Rebecca will never, because they have this. Relationship that is beautiful in the sense that you can have a relationship with somebody and there be no sexual anything whatsoever. Mm-hmm.
Julia: That has never been, in my observation of the show, that has never been a part of their connection. Other people might think and be picking it up, but what I see is like Rebecca going from, I want to destroy this thing to, oh, like sh Ted humanizes it for her. Mm-hmm. And therefore she uncovers this layer of herself that is warm and kind and wants to do better too.
Julia: And, and when somebody does that for you, it, there's this appreciation and adoration that comes with it that is strictly pla platonic. And I feel like that's Ted and Rebecca. Mm-hmm.
Mario: And I think they both discovered like, As the relationship group, they were easy to talk to. Mm-hmm. Like Rebecca, at first we said she's, she's intimidating.
Mario: People are very like pins and needles around her, but like, Ted Lassa doesn't care. He's like, oh, just another person that, you know, needs love. Mm-hmm. And I think for her it's somebody that's, you know, genuine and listens and stuff. And she didn't have that in her marriage whatsoever. And I think because everyone's so pins and needle pins and needles around her, it was a nice change of fresh air for her to have someone listen.
Mario: Yeah. And then it just, as they grew, they became comfortable with each other and it was a very platonic relationship. I didn't want them, I was the same boat. I didn't want them to get together. I didn't think they were ever gonna get together. I liked their relationship as their friendship because mm-hmm.
Mario: It was strong and they both helped each other through anxiety and funerals and death and all that stuff. So I think it, it
Julia: worked that way. Yeah. And I think there's so much alike in a way that you don't see it until the relationship develops and unfolds for the audience. Mm-hmm. Like Ted has a lot of pressure on him because he is such a, he's a leader in a premier league.
Julia: Rebecca has pressure on her because she's a, in a male dominated industry. They both have these sort of weird surface relationships with their parents. Um, and we don't learn a ton about Ted's family, and that's like a slow burn for his storyline. Like we get little by little, we don't know his, we don't know much about his dad.
Julia: We don't really learn anything about his mom until season three. Whereas we get a lot of Rebecca's mom throughout all the seasons and with the death of her father, we really get a lot of intel in that episode as well. But I think because they both understand what it's like to have to be the rock and they have very different approaches on how they are the rock for the people in their lives.
Julia: Mm-hmm. They, they have that mutual respect there too. Mm-hmm. That's good. Okay, so I wanna move on to Keeley and Jamie because in season one we meet Keeley. Jamie's the darling of the team. He is the best player. He is the young hot shit. His name is Jamie Tart. They turn the baby Shark song into his name and it's fucking adorable.
Julia: And because he's a hotshot football player in a premier league, he's got this gorgeous model girlfriend who is Keeley Jones. There's so much about this relationship. I don't even, I don't always know. I don't know how to begin. There's a age gap we learn about where she's like, where? Cuz I think Jamie's supposed to be like in his early twenties and when the series begins.
Julia: Mm-hmm And we, we know that Keeley's a little bit older cuz there's a point where she makes a comment of like, you know, I've been dating young, hot professional athletes, football players, yeah. Athlete. Yeah. Since I was, since I was 20 and I'm not 20 anymore and it's not cute anymore. So like we don't really, I don't know if they ever fully give us our age, but we know that there's an age gap.
Julia: There's also an emotional intelligence gap because Jamie is hot shit full of himself. He knows he is hot shit. He knows he is the best player on the team and he kind of treats. Keely in a way that a 20 year old would probably treat their girlfriend if they were rich in hot shit. Mm-hmm. And didn't have a fully developed brain yet.
Julia: Mck Keely is played by Juno Temple, and Jamie is played by Phil Dunster, and they're so freaking adorable. Mm-hmm. And I just love them. And I think their story over the three seasons is really interesting too, because Keeley has a major growth where she's just like, they're at a fundraiser and I forget which episode number it is.
Julia: And actually this episode's brilliant because we learn so much about all of them in this episode. Mm-hmm. Because, That's also the point where Rebecca's like, Ooh, I have a moral obligation to share with Keely what Jamie is really up to. And I didn't realize that until just this moment because my ex-husband also screwed me over by cheating with lots and lots of women, and I think Keely and Jamie, when their relationship finally dissolves and we find Keeley and Roy together, it's a really interesting contrast with how Keeley doesn't change because of who she's with.
Julia: She grows in a way that is very crucial to her character, but she, we see her still be who she is regardless of what guy she's with.
Mario: Mm-hmm. She's very kind and is always looking out for everybody. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Julia: And it's such a pure of heart. Her heart is so pure. Mm-hmm. Like in a way, like there's this scenario, there's a scene when, uh, Ted first comes on and Rebecca's trying to like, sabotage everything.
Julia: And she hires the photographer to take these photos, um, of Ted and Keeley and print them outta context. And Keeley's like has a friend who finds out and shares with her like, Hey, these are gonna be the front page, but I've stopped it for a day. So then Keeley's like, what is happening, Ted? This is bad. And then they bring it to Rebecca and they're, they have no idea Rebecca has done it.
Julia: So then Rebecca's like, oh no, I know the owner of the son. I can kill it. And so they kill it. But then when Keeley finds out that it was really Rebecca, she like, she doesn't attack Rebecca, she doesn't like do any catty petty bullshit. She just says to Rebecca basic, she says to Rebecca, This is wrong. You need to tell Ted or I will.
Julia: And like handles herself in such a way that is so badass in that scenario.
Mario: And then she forgives Rebecca and they become best friends,
Julia: which is so wonderful because I feel like we all too often have scenarios where the women are the foils of each other and fight the entire show. And we are not seeing like, modeled friendships.
Julia: This show is just a model of how to be a human and have relationships, period. Because it's so refreshing to see two women have conflict, resolve that conflict in a mature way, and still manage to have a friendship mm-hmm.
Mario: And support each other in their ventures eventually. And yeah, and I think that that, that was a good thing about Keeley too, is she was very, she's very observant too, and I think she, she didn't really know Rebecca too well.
Mario: She just knew her because she was dating Jamie. But even before that, she was like, oh, girl talk and all this stuff. And Rebecca was kind of like throwing off, because again, Rebecca always came off, you know, intimidating. But Keeley wasn't intimidating no matter what. She was like, you're a badass. And like, she was just in awe of her.
Mario: Mm-hmm. So it's like Keeley, Keeley didn't see any of that. Like she just saw the good in her. Mm-hmm. Even though she did find out and told her, you know, professionally, like, stop it. Like she still loved her and still helped her out and
Julia: Yeah. It's like, it's like keeley's, like, hey, uh, I don't buy into or believe in the bullshit that we have to fall into where we're in competition with each other.
Julia: We're just, we're just a couple of gals who are here, who are awesome, who have our own set of skills. Why are you trying to fuck that up?
Mario: And she's a and she's a very caring, I mean, ke is very caring. Uh, we see that in, in her pr, like, When she's doing, when she gets hired for the club in season two and she's doing all this stuff, she's making sure all the guys are comfortable.
Mario: Mm-hmm. Making sure, you know, their needs are taken care of. And then even when they break up, her and Jamie break up, like she still checks on him. Yeah. Like she still, Hey Jamie, how are you? And stuff like that. So, and then in season three we see her making sure James is okay cuz he ends up going through a hard time.
Mario: So it's like she still cares about him even though, you know, she may not be in love with him. Mm-hmm. So it just shows the power of kindness through Keely too. And I love Teely.
Julia: Yeah. Who is your favorite character in the whole show? Could you,
Mario: my favorite? Uh, it's hard. Um, I think Jamie Tart is still my favorite.
Mario: Mm-hmm. Um, I liked him since day one, even though he was a douche.
Mario: I guess it's that kind of stereotype character. It's like, you know, he's a douche, but then you know, with the end he is gonna like find something and turn around. So I don't know, I always have a weakness for those kind of characters, but I always love JB Hard. I thought he had probably one of the best overall story arcs in all three seasons.
Mario: Yeah, I agree. And he had some of the funniest lines too, you know, even they were just like one-liners and stuff. Yeah. Um. Poop it. Yeah, it's just
Julia: poop it a terrible British accent. But every time he would be like, you guys, it's just poop it and you're just like, oh my god, it's so dumb. But I can't help but laugh.
Mario: Right? Oh yeah. I would say probably Jamie Turk's my favorite out everybody, but I love everyone. Roy Kent Jones Lasso.
Julia: And I think Jamie has the most obvious growth. Like it's, it's very much in your face because he, like you said, like we've talked about, he's this hotshot hot shit. His foot was kissed by God, quote from Roy Kent.
Julia: Um, and you know, and he knows it, but his influence growing up is this very negative, very toxic dad who like sets these sort of standards and doesn't ever positively, ever, he never positively reinforces his son. Never tells him good job, unless it's the crowd. Also, like, it's very a, it's very narcissistic in the sense of like, Jamie's dad is only proud of him when his dad can take the credit for it.
Julia: That's my son. I did that. He's my boy kind of shit. And Jamie's resentful because in contrast to Sam, And Sam has this very loving father that we don't meet until season three. And he, he confides in his dad and he has this really strong bond with his father. Whereas Jamie has a fractured bond is, you know, sort of outta obligation and just wants his dad to love him, right?
Julia: Like he just wants his dad to see him and to love him and to tell him that he is doing a good job. But is it the end of season? Is it season two? The end of season two, where Jamie like finally learns? Cuz one of the things that Ted works on him with is like, Jamie, you gotta pass the ball. You're not the only person on the team.
Julia: This is the team. We are a team. Yeah. Pass the ball. And then at some point Jamie finally does pass the ball and doesn't make the winning shot, but he passes it. I think it's to Sam to make the winning shot. Mm-hmm. And, and in the locker room, Jamie's dad comes in and is just like, the fuck is wrong with you?
Julia: Like, you could have made it, or maybe it's not. Maybe I'm con confusing the two because at some point Jamie's dad is like, why didn't you take the shot? You could have made the winning shot. And then there's another scene where Jamie's dad comes into the locker room and literally is like, uh, yeah, no. And then Roy has to st like Roy Beard, Ted, they all step in, pull Jamie's dad away.
Julia: And then Roy hugs Jamie in the most, oh, my favorite episodes. Beautiful scene in television that is probably completely underappreciated in every way, shape, or form, because at this point we know Jamie and Roy can't stand each other. Mm-hmm. And Jamie's been berated by his father, and Roy just walks up to him in his toughness and just puts his arms around Jamie.
Julia: And that is such a beautiful scene. When Roy Kent hugs Jamie, he hugs all
Mario: of us. Mm-hmm. You getting me all teary-eyed cuz I'm thinking about it. It's one of my favorite scenes.
Julia: It's so beautiful. Mm-hmm. Whoever wrote that scene, God. Well,
Julia: to see who wrote, that's so good. But anyway, so Jamie, you know, his growth in the whole season, so to watch him sort of become this caring person who wants to be a support to his team, and then by the end of it finds a way to heal his relationship with his dad. I loved that episode in season three. Mm-hmm.
Julia: Where we got to meet Jamie's mom and he's like, she's like this comfort to him in a way. It, you know, and it's, they, there's a, there's a couple of things where they suggest that maybe they're, they're a little too comfortable with each other, but it doesn't matter because the way I saw it was these are two people who've been hurt by the same person.
Julia: So they have this shared experience that no one else can really understand. I get that. Yeah. And he's just so adorable and delightful by the end. He's so, yeah. I, yes. So I think his growth is the most obvious throughout the entire series. Everyone has so
Mario: much growth though, and every Roy has so much growth.
Julia: Yeah, they really do. It's like, it's like, it's like Ted Lasso takes these characters who could become villains and redirects them in a way where they don't become villains because the only villain that can exist is Rupert, which it makes me very upset that Anthony Head are beloved. Giles are beloved, who protected Buffy and did right by all those children, was the villain in Ted Lasso.
Mario: But he played a good villain though. He did.
Julia: And I'm makes me so upset because I'm like, okay, now I need to watch Buffy as a pallet cleanser so I can get back to thinking that Anthony Head isn't a terrible person.
Mario: But did you like so Yeah, he's, he's horrible. He's so horrible. And it's funny because it's like, So throughout the whole seasons, you know, he's trying to make people's lives miserable, trying to do this, trying to do that, and people put him in his place, then he still does it.
Mario: Um, and then towards the end, it's like Rebecca doesn't even care anymore about him. Like, he's like, he's gonna, he's gonna wreck himself, basically. He's gonna bring himself down. And he, and we see that in the finale. Like he rec, he does it to himself. Mm-hmm. He destroys his image. And it's funny because I was looking at, I was looking, I was reading this article about the parallels of where we started the, where we're ending.
Mario: And in the stadiums, um, in the beginning of the seasons, everyone would, uh, call Ted a Winka. Mm-hmm. Because he was, you know, he's horrible. So the whole stadium would call him Winka Winka Winka. So now they had stopped because he was doing so good, but now they're pointing to Rupert, Rupert and calling ne Winka.
Mario: And it just, it shows the whole contrast. So yeah, like, and even Ted kind of noticed it like, Hey, that's not me. They're calling that it's, you know, he brought it
Julia: on himself. He really did. And you know what I, so I, the whole time I was like, I think Rupert is the miso. It symbolizes misogyny and patriarchy.
Julia: Like he is that char, he literally is that, is that he's everything about the patriarchy that's bad for everybody. He's everything about misogyny that's bad. And with Nathan, Nathan is this sweet, adorable, just timid guy. And as they develop Nathan's character, you see that he has sort of this darkness to him and it, it kind of grows.
Julia: And then he ends up being, you know, somebody we hate by Susan too. But that, but that's like a blatant thing that he does. Right? And so throughout season, Do we ha or does he do it at the end of season, end of season two? It's end of season two. So, but throughout season one, I was seeing little things about Nathan where I was just like, oh, I don't actually think you're a good guy.
Julia: I just think because you are not intimidating looking and very, very quiet, people think you're sweet and adorable because I think he even like he misreads things all the time. Mm-hmm. And then internalizes those things and makes himself the victim. Like when they brought Roy on to be the coach. Mm-hmm.
Julia: And he sort of shouts at Ted like, you praised me, you praised me, you praised me, and then nothing. And I was like, have you never had a job before? You cultivate and nurture the newest employee and then you move on once everyone's settled. Like that's how that works. Nathan Ted did not turn his, that's how I saw it.
Julia: I didn't see it as Ted turning him his back on him. I saw it as Ted sort of doing what he does as a head coach, but then Nathan feels rejected and starts to grow this hatred towards Ted. And that was just, and then, but prior to that, there's other things too that we see that Nathan's sort of heading down this path of like, Hmm, you have some tendencies I don't like.
Julia: Right. Like tries to kiss Keeley. He's not nice to the new kit man at all. Mm-hmm. He's horrible to him. Like how is that how you treat people? I'm not into that vibe, but I love that when they, when he does kind of take on West Ham and is the head coach there, he sort of sees what he could become through Rupert and what Rupert is and he makes the realization, I don't want that.
Julia: Yeah. Yeah. I, I still don't, I still, I am like, Nate still has tendencies though. Like, I was in a debate with somebody on, um, with a friend of mine on Instagram about Nate and I was, and they're like, well, I can see, you know, where he is coming from and why he's this way. And I'm like, I don't give up. Uh, we make all these ra we make all these reasons for a certain type of man and all these excuses for a certain type of man.
Julia: And then he does these horrible things and we're just like, well, we get it. Cuz his dad's mean to him. And it's like lots of women and other men and other people have perfect, have parents who weren't nice to them. They're not behaving this way. I was gonna
Mario: say, I, I did like in season three where he, it's funny because that the, the hostess at the restaurant that he goes from season two and season three.
Mario: Geez. Like I always liked her cuz she never really said anything. Mm-hmm. I season three and then we find out how cool she is. And, and I think she's kind of the one that did help him kind of see things too, because she called him out and she kept him accountable too. Like she, she saw right through Rupert, like the first thing, she's like, he's not a nice guy.
Mario: Like that was her first time meeting him. Mm-hmm. Could tell that he's a nice guy. And she knew that he wasn't supposed to be at the restaurant. Like he had, you know, better aspirations and stuff like that. So it's like, I was like all in for her. I was like so excited that like, she actually like liked him cause it was like, she's very genuine, but she also pushed him and mm-hmm.
Mario: Kept him accountable. So
Julia: yeah. That's something that the team of Ted Lasso does really well. They take these characters and they provide a world and support that pushes them towards their better selves. Mm-hmm. And I love that. And even with the Ruper and Rebecca dynamic when he used to get to her, Rebecca has been around, uh, Ted enough and her, and, and at the funeral when her mother's like, I don't let him get to me.
Julia: I think he's a twt and I hate him and I hate what he did to you, but it's so much fun to watch him be confused as to why I'm nice to him and, and it's like she finally gets it right. So like every single character where there's somebody who pulls out something negative about them, there's a counter character, like a counterpart that pulls them in the direction of rise above that, be a better person.
Julia: And I love that about the show because it's not over, it's not blatant, it's not in your face. Mm-hmm. It's, there's no like preachiness about be a good human. They're just demonstrating what it's like to have nuance and to consider that nuance in in others.
Mario: Mm-hmm. It happened very naturally, like yes, it
Julia: happened very naturally and I loved it.
Julia: Okay. So what did you think about Ted and when they brought about the scenario of when they brought in Dr. Sharon Fieldstone, which I think is a nod to sleepless in Seattle and Dr. Marsha Fieldstone, but I could just be overthinking it, I don't know, but it has the same sort of rhythm. The way they say Dr.
Julia: Sharon Fieldstone has the same rhythm that it does in sleepless in Seattle. So that's why I kind of think that. Mm-hmm. Um, but what did you think about them bringing her in and then in that Ted's response to her being there.
Mario: I, well, I liked her. I think she was very funny and she was very like to the point.
Mario: Um, I, I enjoyed it because I thought it brought the attention of especially men, um, talking about mental health. Mm-hmm. Um, and I think for men it's like, it's very scary to share their emotions. Cause you know, we live in a world that's like, hide your emotions and you're the man, so you gotta be tough and all that stuff.
Mario: And especially in the sports world. And so I think, um, bringing her in, um, kind of opened that door. And like you said, naturally of being able to open your emotion. And I think watching Ted kind of struggling to share like, It's something like we could all relate to. Mm-hmm. Cause it's like we're opening ourselves up to, to a stranger.
Mario: Like, what are they gonna think? Are they gonna judge us? Like, I'm not perfect. I'm not this, I'm not that. So, um, I thought it was really cool how they, they kind of opened that door up for everybody. And I think it, you know, it helps people in that field and, you know, to see that, you know, therapy isn't always a bad thing.
Mario: Mm-hmm.
Julia: Yeah. And I love how, even in the contrast of the generations too, right? Like some of the younger guys are like, oh, cool, somebody to talk to here for it. And with Ted being, we presume similarly aged to the real Jason Sudeikis, who is in his forties, mid forties. That that also that generational of like, you know, we don't talk about our problems.
Julia: And then that's where we learned too, that his dad also struggled and that his dad was like a super happy guy and then out and what felt like out of nowhere to Ted died by suicide. And so you really get an insight in such a way, because I think it's season one that Ted has his pan her, we see Ted have his panic attack, right?
Julia: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So you're kind of like, is he having this panic attack? Panic attack because he knows nothing about football, he doesn't know what he's doing. Everyone's calling him Winker. He's literally a fish out of water. So is that why? You know, and then you start to learn that like it's a thing that exists in his family.
Julia: His father was chipper and happy, but also suffered from severe depression. Ted is so joyful and does such a great job at making everyone feel heard and seeing everyone for, for who they are and really listening to them and bringing people together, but no one's ever really checking in on him. Mm-hmm. So he's sort of like flipping it around.
Julia: So he is everyone's support and it's almost intentional, so that way he doesn't have to deal with his own emotions and, and what he's going through. I
Mario: agree with that.
Julia: That's good. And I feel like it's a, I feel like it's a common theme, right? Like when you think about all the people that we love the most throughout history, that we are shocked who died by suicide.
Julia: Mm-hmm. In the entertainment world, it's almost like, well, it's like the Ted lasso effect. They're mm-hmm. They're working really hard to make everyone happy because they want everyone to be happy, because internally they're trying to figure out how to make themselves feel good too. Mm-hmm. But no one ever asks them, how are you until Dr.
Julia: Sharon Fieldstone? Mm-hmm. And she's so good. She did an interview, the actress did an interview with Brene Brown, like mm-hmm. Shortly after she came on scene, and it was so good. If I can find it, I will link it in the show notes. I like that.
Mario: Like, even in the beginning, like after she leaves, like Ted still calls her for like their daily check-ins or whatever, which, so like, That shows growth for him too, that he's like continuing with his therapy and all that stuff.
Mario: And then I love that she's a fan of the club, so it's like she's still watching him, so rooting for them. So I just thought that was beautiful.
Julia: Yeah. It made me wonder too, how many like high pressure institutions ever considered bringing in a mental health professional for their team? Because remember during the Olympics when Simone Biles was like, I, my brain is not in the right space.
Julia: This is a lot, I'm gonna bow out. And then like the internet was like, how dare you? And the other half of the internet was like, good for you girl. Your brain space is important. Mm-hmm. And it was so interesting to watch that unfold, but then it's like those of us who aren't elite athletes don't truly understand the pressure of what that means.
Mario: Practice every day. Putting on a show. Dealing with the hate Or dealing with,
Julia: yeah. Just what you're putting your body through like mm-hmm. I, it's, and it's just, there's so much, I don't think mm-hmm. It, and not everyone can handle it. Mm-hmm. Because the pressure, and I think if there was access and resources, not just for elite athletes, but you know, when you do have sort of a lot of pressure happening, what a difference that would make.
Julia: And you really see the result of that with the club because the guys do sort of get to be a little bit more open and bond a little bit more. It's like it unlocks another layer for them to be comfortable and close with each other. Mm-hmm. We kind of touched on Roy and Jamie already. Yes. But I feel like I want to talk about them more.
Julia: Okay. Because I love how they start out as enemies and end up being really good friends. But then also have a moment where they're like, oh shit, we're both in love with the same girl. And then they're like, well, we're still friends.
Mario: I think that was, that was growth right there. Yes,
Julia: it really was. Because throughout this series, Roy will be tar, right?
Julia: Like he's just screaming at him like that is Roy's love languages, like yelling people's names. And you get so used to that. So by the time everyone like Roy and Healy are broken up and Roy realizes like, oh, I think Jamie might want her back. But also Roy realizes he wants her back too. When he walks in the finale, when he walks into the, um, locker room.
Julia: I fully was expecting him to scream Jamie's name
Mario: and then he, no, he is like, let's go
Julia: have a beer. Yes. I was like, oh my God. Roy Kent. Who are you? I was fully expecting you to scream, tart, and here you are having a measured and rational conversation. I was like, where's the head butt forgetting that there's been growth.
Julia: I was fully expecting a head butt.
Mario: Yeah. And they, I, I love their little romance. Their little romance they get going like, cause you know, Roy ends up trading Jamie to be the better, a better version of himself. And, and yeah, Jamie in return helps. Roy. We have a, Roy doesn't know how to ride a bicycle, so Jamie helps him with that.
Mario: That was a great episode. That
Julia: was a great episode. Yeah.
Mario: There's that scene also where Ja, he knows Jamie. Something's wrong with Jamie. And Jamie goes into the locker room or the, the back room and he starts yelling at him like, what the heck's going on? Blah, blah. And then you see Jamie start crying. Whoa.
Mario: Yeah. Yeah. What did I just do?
Julia: Yeah. Oh, but to your point about helping him train, I really love how like, so this character SVA comes in at, in the beginning of season three, and you're just kind of like, what is happening with, okay. Um, but he's so good and Jamie is so in, is so unimpressed by this character.
Julia: And so I think that moment where you, when you were talking about how like he's Roy starts rain training. Jamie, I think when Roy approaches him as like, are you serious about wanting to get better? And you see Jamie like contemplate it and go Yeah. Like I, yeah, like that also I feel like is a really beautiful moment because the old Jamie could have been like, I'm already good.
Julia: I, it's just a moment of I'm just having whatever, because Ava's getting in the way and Savas clearly more of a showman, blah, blah, blah. No, he's like, Yeah, I recognize that I could be better, and I loved that. I just love how the men on the show accept that they have a weakness and are willing to grow from it.
Julia: Mm-hmm. I don't know any other TV show that does that, do you? That's so good. No, you watch way more television movies than I do. Salmon, or, and Rebecca,
Mario: actually, I didn't like this sh this, this ship.
Julia: Really? Okay, so let's set it up for everybody, Sam and Rebecca. So Keeley gets this, uh, does PR for this, uh, dating app called Banter, where it's all anonymous and you just like chat back and forth, which is actually a brilliant concept because on dating apps, nobody actually reads what you write.
Julia: They're only looking at your pictures. Um, and if you aren't witty enough to match your pictures, people are like, no, done unmatch. So Keely's, like everybody sign up for the app. This is a startup company. They're venture capitalists. They've hired me to do the PR start. Do the Do, do the app. Do the app.
Julia: Everybody. So Rebecca we see is flirting with somebody on the app and they give us the impression that it's Ted. After a while we kind of start thinking maybe she's chatting with Ted, but it turns out it's Sam Nia, who is so freaking cute and also 20 years old and on the club. He's a member of the team.
Julia: Team, which is a problem. Why didn't you like
Mario: this? It was very, you got mail though, but it was very, when you got mail,
Julia: I loved
Mario: that. I think, no, I think it was just, I like, I loved the two characters. Like I loved Sam. Sam is adorable. He is pure of heart. But it was like, because of the age difference and just because I think they were both wanting two different things.
Mario: Like I knew it wasn't gonna, like it wasn't gonna happen. Yeah. So it's like I felt like they were just kind of there for each other for a moment, but I felt like, I felt like I knew it wasn't going anywhere, so it's like, why are we wasting our time? Kinda thing.
Julia: I didn't think it was a waste of time. One, I felt like it challenged my whole frustration about like the powerful owner man person dating younger women, because it's literally what Rupert's doing.
Julia: Um, so it challenged my belief system there. And then two, I was like, Rebecca needs this because she's been so broken by Rupert that she needs somebody to just like adore her. But you know what? They could have done it with.
Julia: Ah, damn it, Mario. Okay, now I am like, man, it sucks that he was on the team, because it does sort of play into that double standard of like, it's gross when men do it, but like, let's give a pass for a woman. Like that's the double standard. But they did need a character to come in and make Rebecca feel adored because Alive.
Julia: Alive again. Yeah. Because Rupert just like shredded that out of her, which is so cruel and not uncommon for that type of man. Mm-hmm. Which opens the door for her to be a little bit more, um, willing to have conversations because when she meet, when were they in Sweden? Is Amsterdam having Amsterdam When, um, she has that sort of like trist.
Julia: With the
Mario: Dutch man. Yes.
Julia: I loved that.
Mario: I know. I was like, but then I didn't realize that she never got, they never got each other's name. Yes. That was the best part. And then so then it was like, so spoiler alert, at the very end she ends up meeting them again and it's like, oh. Which I was just like, oh my gosh.
Mario: I'm so excited because I loved him. Yeah. For her. And I was just like, oh, that just opens the door. Yes. When they sit there in each other's names, I was like, oh, that's right. They didn't know each other's name. Like they kinda left it like that.
Julia: Yeah. So I loved it. I loved the whole thing. And like when, okay, so in season three, Rebecca's mother is like, please go see my psychic.
Julia: She's totally willing to take you on, but it's like a screening F to make sure like that you're good enough for her type of shit. And Rebecca's like your psychic is. Full of shit and takes money. She's a charlatan, but sure, I'll go meet with her. And then like they meet and her the psychic's like, oh my God, you're, there's a green matchbook.
Julia: And what ha it was knight and shining armor. But they or no knight on a white horse. What was Knight and Shining Armor? It was shining. It was sh they, I don't remember. They basically like did something to scramble Knight and shining armor. I don't remember exactly how they worded it. Um, and then like, oh, you're gonna have kids.
Julia: And Rebecca, who's like a middle-aged woman, is like, oh, fuck you to say that to me. Like that is cruel. That is mean and how dare in leaves. So then later if, I don't know if it's the same episode or a later episode, I can't remember, she's at. Sam's restaurant. Cause at this point, Sam has opened a restaurant where there's, um, Nigerian food because he has this whole storyline that happens between like whether or not he's gonna leave the club to go play for a team in, um, on the continent of Africa.
Julia: Um, but he decides that he's not ready to leave England and to leave Richmond yet. Um, so, but his matchbooks at his restaurant are green, so then Rebecca's like, maybe the psychic isn't full of shit because psychics, good psychics are not full of shit. Good psychics know what they're doing. Mm-hmm. Um, and so then it's like, okay, so then everyone's sort of waiting with baited breath of like, oh my God, Sam and Rebecca are gonna get together because, you know, they're gonna have kids and he's got the Green Match book.
Julia: But it never actually like, Claire. Like that's sometimes the thing with, you know, going to get a psychic, psychic reading. It's never like written out for you, like a story, like a book is Right. Or, or a TV show. It's very much like, here are the pieces. They will fall into place, how they fall into place. So we see her Green Match book and then the Knight and Shining Armor thing is this guy.
Julia: And then the season finale, there's a little girl and he belong and she belongs to the Dutchman.
Mario: Dutchman. It's so sweet, so adorable. Was like, me too. He, he adored her. Mm-hmm. He worshiped her. Yeah. Like, you know, I was like, oh,
Julia: how did you think, okay. So before you went into the season series finale, what did you think was gonna happen?
Julia: Hmm. Do you, do you remember, because I had a conversation with somebody on Tuesday and I was like, here are my predictions. And I was Right.
Mario: Well, I thought Roy and Keely would get together, but it didn't happen. Okay. So, um, I knew Ted was gonna go home. Mm-hmm. Like, I felt like I was the only way. That's the
Julia: only way you gonna would stay.
Julia: Yeah. Like Ted going home is literally the only way you can end it. Mm-hmm.
Mario: Mm-hmm. I knew Coach Good would stay. I knew, um, I thought Nate would probably become a coach by the end of the, the, I guess he did. Yeah. Did he come become a coach? I, he became assistant coach again.
Julia: I feel like they still kind of left it vague.
Julia: Yeah.
Mario: Um, I knew Colin's boyfriend would probably show up. Mm-hmm. I thought that was beautiful. And then, um, I think that was really it. Yeah. Like the predictions I had. Yeah. Did you? So I knew they would win. Mm-hmm.
Julia: The Colin storyline in season three was, um, unexpected for me because we did not get a ton of Colin in seasons one and two.
Julia: So I was really glad that they brought him in a little bit more. I do, I did realize through his storyline that like there's a lot of advantages of living in California. Yes. I live in a red county. With that said, there's still a lot more
Julia: openness here in our red county compared to other states currently in the union. Mm-hmm. And I was very surprised that somebody under the age of, I assume Collins, under the age of 25, would feel the need to be, um, closeted. And then I realized that in professional sports, that's still a thing. Because when I was looking up like, how many athletes are like out open, gay it, the number's still really small.
Julia: Mm-hmm. So I kind, I was like, okay, Ted Lasso. Good for you. Like, I mean, I hate that like Colin felt like he had to live a secret, but I loved, loved, loved how much his team was like, we love you more. Like mm-hmm. They weren't, he was so scared about like not being supported and like people being like awful about it.
Julia: And then like his team was like, we got you, boo. And that I just, I loved that because I think so often coming out stories are so tragic and we have so much mm-hmm. In our television history of tragic coming out stories that like, this was just so beautiful to see his friends be like, we're hugging you.
Julia: We're sorry that we didn't create a space where you felt like you could tell us. Please don't ever hide secret, like hide anything about yourself ever again. Yeah.
Mario: And it was funny cuz his good friend Isaac, who the captain was like mad at him through a whole episode and he's like, what did I do? Like, why did I, well, it was an accident that he found out, but Yeah.
Mario: Yeah. He was all like, all worried that like, he's not gonna accept me. And we find out the whole reason he's mad. He is like, why didn't you tell me? Like, yeah, we're best friends. You didn't tell me. Like, yeah. Yeah. So I thought that was kinda cool too. Yeah, I agree. But, um, I did like, I, the one thing that kind of got me was the whole Trent crim.
Mario: Mm. So Trent Crim, he's, he is, he is another close of my favorite character since season one. Yeah.
Julia: Trent Krem, the independent.
Mario: He's, cause in one of the early episodes of season three, he sees Colin mm-hmm. Kissing his boyfriend. So I was like, oh my, is he gonna like, Out him. Right? Or does he get I'm like, like Trent. Like Trent do not like, screw my vision of you. Like, please do not out him. Yeah. Like, please do not. And then, then I kinda thought about it like the next, I was like, I wonder if Trent like relates.
Mario: Mm-hmm. And we, we do find out that he does, he's in the same, oh, he's in the same, you know, playing field. Um, I, they didn't really, they didn't really establish if he was like, high, like in the closet. Like I felt like, I think it was like he's outta the closet, but he just didn't promote
Julia: it. Like he didn't really Yeah.
Julia: Like he's not, he's not like going around telling everybody that he is gay. Yeah. But he definitely, like, he definitely, you know, he has a mug, his coffee mug is usually an indicator. Right. Like he's got some sort of like pride thing happening with his mug. Mm-hmm. And then when I realized like, oh, they've been kind of telling us all through season three that Trent is probably not.
Julia: Hetero, you just don't see it until you find out and then go back and rewatch the season. Mm-hmm.
Mario: And it, I mean, it sparks a nice little conversation between him and Colin. Mm-hmm. That was such a beautiful episode too. Yeah. Talking about experiences and stuff. So I was just like, so yeah. Another, another subject be tackled very well and very naturally.
Mario: Yeah.
Julia: Yeah. And I love that they gave us more about Trent this season, because in seasons one and two Yes. He really is like that hard pressed fella journalism guy. And we always really get to know him in the press conference. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. But even
Mario: though it's like, even though he is that hard guy, he's still rooting for Ted.
Mario: Mm-hmm. Like he gets to, he has that luxury with Ted and he's like Ted Lasel. Yeah. May not know anything, but he really is genuine. Like Yeah. And then like when he gives up, When he gives up, uh, Nate as his source of who told everybody about the panic attack, like he's like, as a journalist, I do have to write this, but as a friend.
Mario: Mm-hmm. Like, I'm letting you know this is who told you? Yeah. And he lost his job cause of it, but mm-hmm. He's like, I bounced back. And then I loved it how they did incorporate him in season three. Mm-hmm. I write a book about you guys and I was like, oh, that's awesome. Yeah. So,
Julia: yeah. And I do, and it's interesting too because it does, I love how there was a consequence to his action.
Julia: So like it's mm-hmm. He's sort of playing with fire when it comes to his journalism integrity by revealing a source. Mm-hmm. And, and even though it's shitty that he loses his job, I appreciate that there was a consequence to that because mm-hmm. When you, and granted my journalism career was very short-lived.
Julia: Um, but when somebody, if they wanted to go on the record, but wanted to go on the record anonymously, like, you have to honor that. And then there's a responsibility to be like, I can't share that, who that is with you. Um, because then too, you can gain a reputation of a person who isn't trustworthy to tell your story to mm-hmm.
Julia: Or to like, share information with that eventually gets reported out. So even though it's shitty that he lost his job, I appreciate that he had like a true consequence for his actions. Um, but then on the other side of that coin, like you said, I appreciate that he was like, I respect too much Ted too much to not tell him he's got a s uh, a fox in the, in the henhouse.
Julia: Mm-hmm.
Mario: Yeah. I love Trunk Graham. He was great hair. Exactly. Mrs. Las said, you have great
Julia: pet peeve real quick. There are plenty of actresses in the world who have a natural southern dialect, and I love the actress that played his mother because she is the mom on Freaks and Geeks. She is the mom and so many other things.
Julia: She is this amazing. She's just such a, she's just so much fun to watch as an actor. Slipped out of a Southern accent so often in her, and maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm the only one that heard it, but I feel like it was like, ma'am, was there not an actress who has a natural southern dialect that you could have hired for this?
Julia: I don't know. Maybe it was just me. Mario, you tell me. Did you, did you feel like I didn't. I didn't notice.
Mario: I didn't even notice.
Julia: So it's always just me. I can't hang. I need to be real. I need you to stick in, stay in character. I don't know if it's cuz my grandparents were southern, so I just hear it, right?
Julia: Mm-hmm. Like I just hear it and so, I don't know. I don't know,
Julia: like a thing I can't let go every time, anytime there is, um, actors that are trying to have a Southern accent, but I know they're not Southern. Like I love the TV show, Ginny and Georgia for so many reasons, but the actress that plays Georgia PE. I don't know. I don't know. I don't, I can't, with her southern accent, it sounds fake and sometimes when she talks too much it pulls me out of the show.
Julia: But again, that's just me. Other than that, the show is brilliant. The writing's brilliant, the acting is brilliant and everyone should watch it. It just got renewed for I think, season three for sure. And I think also a season four. So I'm very excited about that. That is on Netflix, Jenny and Georgia. Ginny and Georgia.
Julia: It's a great never seen in my life. It's okay. It's, you know, it appeal, it's the, the demographic is literally me mixed girl, right? Like, I'm sure they're probably who loves Gilmore Girls, cuz it's like an edgy Gilmore Girls. But they actually deal with race, they actually deal with like, you know, r like life issues in a way.
Julia: Right? Like the guy who played, um, street, what's his first name on Friday Night Lights? Uh, Kyle Chandler. No, he was the coach, the kid that gets paralyzed in the first episode. Oh. Oh, I know who you're trying. I Priya's name. It's something street Starts with a J. He's in it.
Julia: Okay. That's enough about Jenny and Georgia onto Ted and Beard's relationship. Oh, they're so fun too. So beard. Throughout the entire series, you just get these little tidbits about him, but you feel like you know him, but he also doesn't want you to know him and he reads a lot. So I need somebody to tell me whether or not there's a list out there of all the books that he is holding and presumably reading throughout the series.
Julia: That's God exists. I know it has to exist because one exists for Lucas Scott on Onetree Hill, one exists for Rory Gilmer on Gilmore Girls. Jess even has one from Gilmore Girls. So there has to be one for beard. Okay. With that said, as you mentioned earlier, it's working at the restaurant and his girlfriends like, this isn't for you.
Julia: Go back to Richmond and he's like, Richmond doesn't want me. And then we have a scene between Ted and Beard where Ted's like, Hey, beard, stopping a dick about Nate. So then Beard goes to Nate's house and has this conversa the most revealing we've ever received about Beard? Just tell me everything about Beard.
Julia: Tell me if you liked him. What did you like about him, his growth. I need to hear everything from your perspective. Mario.
Mario: Uh, coach Beard is great, very weird. Like, but that's why we love him.
Julia: That's why we love him. His relationship with Jane, that is so toxic, but it works for them.
Mario: I like the, I like how they get married at the end of second funny, but I
was
Julia: like, of course they did.
Julia: Of course they got married,
Mario: but just his like facial expressions too and stuff. And my favorite, my favorite, um, scene from him is, Where, where they asked Roy to be the coach and he is like, no. And then we had the whole, she's a rainbow mono montage. Yeah. And then he is like, Hey, coach, and then blah, blah, blah.
Mario: And he is like, shut up, blah, blah, blah. He's like, you had me at Coach. And then you see Coach Bri go, it's like that famous line.
Mario: And then like, even in the, like the last episode where the, the team's doing this so long farewell. Yes. I, him, him after quickly, he quickly like wipes the tears off his eyes. Mm-hmm. Cause he can't show up, but it's like he's very, um, blunt. Mm-hmm. But it's like he tells it like it is though too. Mm-hmm. Like, and he's un
Julia: unfailingly loyal.
Mario: Yes. Very, and we, and what's funny is we do find out the story mm-hmm. Of how him, Ted became friends and all that stuff, and like how much he needed Ted. And I was just like, that's why he is so loyal cuz he is like, I can never repay Ted back for what he did for me. And he is just like, oh, go get the heart string twist.
Mario: Yes. Yes.
Julia: I loved that. I love and I love the episodes, um, where they get a little weird, right? Because there's one every season where they get a little weird and it's just a little bit more, the only word that comes to mind is cerebral, but I don't think that's the right descriptor for it. Like in season one, it's when Beard is finding Jane, he's trying to find her and she's like, at church.
Julia: But it ends up being like a club thing. Like that episode is so interesting because they're, it's like, um, What do you call it when you have the one episode that's sort of like,
Julia: there's an actual name for it. Mario, I'm dying right now. So you have like the one episode that is like the unique standalone, but it totally fits in within the story. I
Mario: don't know the name of it. I was thinking the Pro, but that's the one before the
Julia: finale. Yeah. Uh, it's gonna bother me anyway. So they have an episode every season where it's just sort of a little different from the traditional format and you get a little bit more because there's usually drugs involved, like in season one, I think it's season one is when he's chasing after Jane and he ends up like, you know, running into Jamie's dad.
Julia: Oh, is it season one or season two?
Mario: Season two's where? No, that's season two. Cuz they lose and he's like, he to go, he runs
Julia: to Jamie's dad in season two. In the alley. In the alley? Yeah. Okay. So that's season two. I cannot remember the one chasing
Mario: Jane. Right. He's looking for Jane in season one. Yeah.
Julia: Is that not the same episode?
Julia: That's,
Mario: I I don't remember. No.
Julia: Everyone, everyone the is like yelling at us right now. We're like doing this wrong.
Mario: Number two, where he is just depressed, so go night himself. And he just like runs into the random places and stuff, but I
Julia: thought he was like trying to find Jane in that. And he runs into Jamie's dad in, in the alley beard.
Julia: After hours is episode nine, season two, after the semi-final defeat, beard sits out on an all night odyssey through London in order to collect his thoughts. But he's also trying to find Jane, I thought. And then in season one, this is like, why is this so hard? Um, I've seen this series all the way through, with the exception of like the last three episodes.
Julia: Because the other one that's like kind of gets a little weird is when they go to karaoke, they're in Manchester, right? Where, what? But this, none of these are giving me in season one.
Julia: This is gonna bother me. I don't know, maybe they don't have one in season one. I thought they did it every season because I felt like the, uh, Amsterdam episode sort of was similar to the episode where beard goes out on and wanders the town in that like Ted has his own sort of like, out of body experience because he thinks he's high.
Mario: Well, is that, which is the one where he is the, the David Bowie cover band? That's a whole different episode, isn't it? Remember? He gets dropped off at the, from the bus or what? He gets dropped off at the bus from a van of people and it's like, oh no. Uh, Ziggy Stardust. It's singing,
Julia: oh, that's, that's this, that's season three.
Julia: It's episode six. Because he's dressed right, like he's wearing and they get, yeah, that's, and that's, that episode is called Sunflowers. And here's the descriptor. A friendly match takes the team to Amsterdam, where one night unlocks truths for many. And I'm like, uh, you guys could have described that better, but okay, because essentially in that episode, you know, beard acquires drugs for them to take.
Julia: I think it's like, is it mushrooms or is it some kind of tea ayahuasca or something? I don't know. You get a, as you can tell, I don't know drugs, so I'm not helpful in trying to explain what they took. But they put it in like hot liquid. Hmm. And so it's because it's in the, and so Ted drinks, he ted's like, I can't do it.
Julia: I can't do it. I can't do it. Cuz Ted's so straight edge, it hurts. And like, then eventually, like, and, and, and you know, as Ted's sort of wavering of like, I can't do this. I can't do this. Beards like downed it all and is like, all right, I'm out. Like, peace brother. And then mm-hmm. Um, and then Ted's like, still back and forth and then he takes a sip and then it's like unlocks this whole thing and he wanders and he ends up at this American restaurant where like the food is atrocious.
Julia: And each, like, there's like, each room is a different city, but it's called by like the windy city, the big apple, not by the actual city name. And then, and then he has this huge revelation of how to unlock sort of this like, uh, soccer block that they have while playing. Um, and then Beard gets dropped off and goes, man, Ted, it's a good thing you didn't take it.
Julia: I felt nothing. And Ted's like, what? What do you mean nothing happened? I was say, dang, coach beard. Coach Beard is a field of, or like a well, of all kinds of things, we don't know. And if they were to do a spinoff show, I'd be so curious because what, what else would we learn about Coach Beard?
Mario: Right. And I still feel like we haven't covered everything, but
Julia: I know that's where there's surprises.
Julia: I know. And like, we're, we're just like, I'm like, okay, let's just talk about all the relationships on the show.
Julia: That's the part I
Mario: grabbed onto what's, okay, so then let's, what's your, do you have a favorite episode?
Julia: I do. Hold on, let me look it up just so I get it right. Oh God. This is actually really hard because I love, okay, this is a hard question. Okay. I love the episode where Roy's retired his, we, he, we know he's retired and he is coaching his niece's soccer team.
Julia: Love that episode. Okay. We're gonna do this by season because we're, we just are. Okay. I love the episode. In season one for the children, which is the episode I, we, which has the instant we referred to earlier where Rebecca approaches. Mm-hmm. Um, Keeley is like Keeley. I have to be honest with you, Jamie had two plus ones.
Julia: You are one of them. And the other gal who bit on him is the other one. And I'm very sorry that I'm telling you this late in the game because I felt like that was such a pivotal episode in terms of how the relationships changed for so many people on that show. And kind of sent us into the trajectory that we went down in season one.
Julia: So that's my favorite episode in season one. I also love the episode where, um, it's called Make Rebecca Great Again, where they're, oh, Uhhuh, where they're, I think they're in Manchester, right? And. Ted meets Sassy for the first time. Oh, Mario, I'm just gonna, I'm just sassy's. So great. Sassy is, uh, Rebecca's best friend.
Julia: For those who don't know, she is fantastic. She's a child psychologist and literally gives no fucks. And I love her, but she's tasteful about it. Like she's not like, uh, a wrecking ball ruining people's lives. She's constructive. Mm-hmm. She's friendly. She's got this warmth to her that's just fantastic. But then also after that episode, episode eight, where they're in the pub and they're trying to like, like we find out Rupert has purchased like part of the club back because he mm-hmm.
Julia: But he, it's not in his name, it's in his girlfriend's name who also happens to be named Rebecca and is probably 20 years younger than our Rebecca. Um, and then Ted's like, guess what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna swindle that motherfucker out of showing up to any games. So that way you boss don't have to be bothered by him.
Julia: So those are the ones that I love in season one. What about you? In season one,
Mario: my, probably my favorite one is Trent Grahams the Independent. Oh my God, that's such a good episode. That's the one where it falls on around, like that's probably my favorite episode in season one. Yeah. Uh, season two, I have two.
Mario: Uh, Carol The Bells, which is the Christmas episode. Oh,
Julia: so good. That episode is so good.
Mario: We'll, we find out all the, all the orphans they call him to come over to, um, Higgins' House. Yes. And then, um, Rebecca delivers like the presents and stuff. Yeah. Um, and then Rainbow, that's the one where Coach, where Roy becomes a coach and Yeah.
Mario: That's a great little Mont montage.
Julia: That's a great episode. Mm-hmm.
Mario: And then I, I don't, is it, I think it's Headspace is the one where we, where the whole confrontation between Jamie and his dad, and then we get the infamous Roy and Jamie hung.
Julia: Yes. I think you're right.
Mario: Yeah, so those, probably those three in season two, season three.
Mario: Oh, this one's a hard one cuz there were so
Julia: many good episodes. So, and you know what? Season three got dragged by people. People hated season three.
Mario: I don't know why I thought it
Julia: was really good, but I thought it was good too. It doesn't have the same magic as season one, but that doesn't mean it's not a good season.
Julia: You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Okay. Tell me your season three favorites. Yeah.
Mario: Um, dang. I, I would probably say, uh, am the sunflowers. Sunflowers
Julia: the Amsterdam one. That's a great episode. Yeah. Where
Mario: we, yeah. Where like kind of everybody kind of does their thing. Mm-hmm. That's the infamous Roy and Jamie bike lesson too, which was kinda cool.
Mario: That's so good. So, um, and then the finale, the finale I think did really well. Mm-hmm. Wrapping everything up and bringing everything full circle and,
Julia: yeah. And the episode One thing, sorry,
Mario: go ahead. Oh, go ahead. Um, so one thing that I did I was reading was, so during the season we have these three guys that are always at the pub, and we have
Julia: love those guys
Mario: can't believe yet.
Mario: Sweet old lady who's kind of like the, um, she's, she's the bar, she's the owner, she's the bartender. So she's a, she always has some, like wise mm-hmm. Thing to say to whoever stops by. And we see various characters throughout the season stop at the pub and she always gives them advice and she's always rooting for the team and stuff.
Mario: Mm-hmm. Um, but we really never, f i, we never really get the names of the three guys. But if I was reading that on the shares, cuz in the end she buys a bunch of shares and she gifts them to her. Mm-hmm. Gifts them to the three Ys, but they're all named up after flowers. So it's like Basil Primrose, Jeremy BH and Paul Lalo.
Mario: And I guess somebody said that May's last name is May Green. So it was like, she was like the gardener. I love that she would take care of these guys. Yeah. And just kinda like, you know, the gardener and the flowers kinda thing. And I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah, that kind, that makes a lot of sense because mm-hmm.
Mario: You know, throughout season she would take care of guys and when they were being dumb, she knocked sense into them and mm-hmm. Give them the wise words and all that stuff. So I was just like, oh. It's so beautiful. Like just to like think like somebody thought of that.
Julia: Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing about Ted Lasso is like you can watch it once and enjoy it, but then if you continue to watch it ag, like if it become, for me, it's like a comfort thing, right?
Julia: Like when the world is a dumpster fire and I'm just like, I can't handle the news anymore. I turn on Ted Lasso because it feels good. It like makes me feel good and it reminds me that, you know, there are decent people in the world, even if they're fictional and you just get something new every single time out of it.
Julia: Because they were so thoughtful with how they addressed everything. And I don't know if they were intentionally thoughtful or if that's just the way that the team worked. You know what I mean? I agree, Mario, nobody could see you nodding your head. Yes. I always forgot.
Mario: I keep forgetting. Yeah.
Julia: In season three, I think I agree with you about sunflowers.
Julia: That is definitely one of my favorite episodes. I love that episode so much. But I also, so the episode that when, when we were talking about, uh, Isaac and Colin, um, and their friendship and Colin sort of like, like Isaac sort of finding out that Colin is gay, that's episode nine. Um, so if anybody wants to specifically watch that episode, but I encouraged you all to just watch the entire series in order cuz it's great.
Julia: I also kind of love the callback. So, um, I think it's season four where Edwin Afu comes episode four. No, season, season two. I was
Mario: like season four. It sucked you in my hopes
Julia: though. I know, right? Season two where Edwin a Kofu comes and is like, Rebecca, I want to, but I this terrible, I shouldn't even try to do the accent.
Julia: I'm like, so far removed from being like a true African from the continent, right? Nigerian. Um, and, but like Edwin, a Kofu comes up and he is like, I would like to buy Sam OBA's contract. Sam OBAs, come play for Nigeria. Be a Nigerian, be a true Nigerian and play for Nigeria kind of stuff. And then like, that's when Sam's like, you know, I'm not ready to leave England yet.
Julia: And he's kind of in the mix, mix up with like, he's in this, that's when he is in the middle of his relationship with Rebecca and they're trying to figure out what they're doing. And then I love that they brought him back in season three. Like I, I appreciate how this show is like we did something in season one.
Julia: And it shows up again later, or we did something in season two or in a different episode. It's not just like a dropped off situation because life's not like that either. Right? Like things come back. There are one-off situations that we are, we find ourselves in, but like I love how they're constantly bringing back these little things because the world of elite athletes is really small.
Mario: Yep. I get that. No, it was a great show and I think, I definitely think let's talk award season. Yes. So award season will be coming up. I think we do see a lot of nominations. Mm-hmm. Um, do you have any predictions? I'm hoping, I think, I think Roy, of course. Mm-hmm. Brett Goldstein will get his nom. I think Rebecca, I think Ted, um, I'm hoping Phil Dunster gets some, some kind of nom, cause I think he really did a, an amazing job
Julia: this season.
Julia: Annie had a little bit more screen time this season too. Yeah. Yeah.
Mario: So, um, Yeah. So that's my hopes. Um, it's always hard cause it's like for comedy series, there's so much good comedy out there right now, so it's like mm-hmm. It's such a tough category. I can see that morning because it was last season and sometimes shows like the honor that, yeah.
Mario: Um, so yeah, I've definitely, those awards I think will be up there. So come Emmy time, come Golden Globe Time. It's gonna
Julia: be interesting to see too, how the writers strike affects the award season. True. Because Ted Lasso has been done for a while. Like that we've known from the gossip columns, um, but there are writers who write those shows.
Julia: Mm-hmm. Not that I'm saying I want. The writer strike to last that long cuz the award season is still like four months away. When are the Emmys? September. September.
Mario: So they usually, they'll announce 'em in July I think.
Julia: Yeah. So July is a month away.
Mario: I mean, they'd still, they'd still announce the nominations.
Mario: Do the nominations, yeah. They just wouldn't have a show. Mm-hmm. Kinda like the, what was it that, just, what award show? Just, was it the Tony's that they, or
Julia: No, the Tony's are usually in June, but I thought, well
Mario: there was, there was a show that they didn't want people to go to because even though they were nominated, I forget what show just happened.
Julia: Oh, um, the M t V awards was that one. Yeah. Cuz Drew Barrymore backed out. She's like in solidarity with the writer, strike, I'm not gonna do this. And I, I actually don't. Did the show still go on?
Mario: It wasn't aired. I don't think it was aired.
Julia: I don't remember because I remember thinking, I, you know, I do. Cuz it was right when the writer strike started.
Julia: Mm-hmm. It was literally like the writer strike started Tuesday, the first Tuesday in May, and then the M t B awards were literally that Sunday. So like, I was like, this feels icky. I don't think I wanna watch it. Because we were in the beginning of the, of, I mean, the whole thing still feels icky. Let me just throw that out there.
Julia: Like, please stop telling people that anybody can write that is not true. Mm-hmm. And Ted Lasso, I think is a really good example of having strong professional writers be the creator, be you know, the in the room doing their job in a way that is giving us a beautiful story, that has an amazing arc through all three seasons.
Julia: Yeah. Pay writers what they deserve. Yep. And it's always when people, when people tell me, oh, anybody can write. It's always the people who are the worst at writing e even in their emails or you're just like, do you not? Okay. Yeah, anyone can write.
Julia: Mario, I appreciate it when you come to the show. I appreciate when you, like when I frantically text you, oh my God, we have to record in a couple of days cuz the finale is this day and you're like, I'm down. I can do it this day. I appreciate you so much for that. Can you please tell everybody, I should actually also appreciate you for something other than, uh, an a act that serves me.
Julia: I also appreciate your honest reviews on Instagram because a lot of times if I haven't seen something yet, I read that first to make the determination if I will see it. So can you tell everybody where they can find you and support you?
Mario: Uh, you can find me on Instagram at movies with Mr. Mario, where I do movie and TV reviews of things I'm watching, and then share the latest entertainment news from the industry.
Mario: So it's summer movie blockbuster season right now,
Julia: and June's stacked. So, but like, I'm so excited for Spider-Man. Like, I keep looking at all the, and I'm just like, how am I gonna fit this all in?
Mario: Did you, did you sign back up for your un unlimited? So you I
Julia: fit for this. Good. I did, yeah. I was like, that is an expense I need to keep because I do not want to pay 1250 every time I want to see a movie, cuz I will probably be at the movie theater every weekend.
Julia: Yes.
Julia: Ted Lasso is so heartwarming and seems to be affecting sports and how coaches manage. There's a really great episode from the University of Denver's radio ed about the Ted Lasso effect. It's linked in our show notes, so you can take a listen if you want to. They really dive into the culture of hazing, how the world really does affect team culture, not just how do we build team culture around this sport, but how does the outside elements of the world, when we talk about gender and race, equity and equality, all of those things affect team culture and, and in that, in the interview they really dive into it.
Julia: It was really interesting. I highly recommend you take a listen. As a former sports mom, one of the things I hoped for in my child's team experience in his impressionable years was a good coach. So often the children's leagues coaches are volunteers, their parents giving up their time. Some have experienced with the sport that they're coaching, some absolutely do not.
Julia: And so we were very lucky to have had coaches who knew what they were doing. Were focused on sports and the fundamentals to reduce injury, but they also took the time to create a culture that made the kids feel connected as a team and taught them grace and their wins and their losses. The statistics of student athletes going pro is roughly 1%, and as noted in the radio ed episode, teams aren't always talking about culture outside of the team.
Julia: Again, race, gender, homophobia, et cetera. What Ted Lasso gives us is a challenge to the athletic culture that includes hazing and horrific behavior. While many elite college athletic programs and professional teams will often make statements refuting bad behaviors, it's hard to take those statements to heart when the culture on those teams is rooted in win, win, win, and disregards literally everything else.
Julia: What Ted Lasso teaches us is that professional athletes deal with the same emotions and challenges as everyone else, and coach lasso himself with his good nature and understanding. Heart begins to pierce through the gruff nature that exists within Richmond's Clubhouse. In the beginning, we see changes in characters like Mario and I had mentioned, but I wanted to touch on Nate a little bit more.
Julia: So in season three, Nate is realizing that being mean and cruel to people isn't who he wants to be. We often find him reflecting on his time at Richmond and comparing his West Ham relations to those at Richmond. When he finally sees Rupert for who he is, Nate realizes he doesn't have to become the kind of per this kind of person.
Julia: It's almost as though he sees two futures and chooses the one where he's part of a community that's loving. Rebecca in the beginning is cold and determined, but over time she realizes the kindness that Coach Lasso embodies has deeply impacted her for the better. So what's interesting to me about Ted Lasso isn't just how we as viewers loved the show and its magic, but how it truly is having an impact on coaching and sports in a meaningful way.
Julia: At the very least, it's calling into question the culture and how it needs to change, giving us tangible examples. Before we close out the show, I wanted to share some, some changes to our Patreon and some exciting news. So, as you know, we host a live book club every month, and that book club has been, um, open and available to anybody who wants to join because I love book clubs and I love it when people wanna get together and talk about the same book.
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