Ginny & Georgia | 21
Show Notes:
We are throwing it back to season 1! Host Julia Washington and guest Christina Kay visit the Netflix original Ginny & Georgia which released om 2021.
Ginny & Georgia is a show about adolescents, motherhood, and love.
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Transcript:
Julia: Hey friends, this is pop culture makes me jealous where we analyze pop culture through the lens of race or gender. And sometimes both on this week's episode, we are going to revisit season one, episode two, where my regular guest, Christina K and I discuss the Netflix original series, Jenny and Georgia, which released in 2021.
Julia: It is. Confirmed that there will be a season two. There is no confirmation of when season two will be released. This is one of our very first episodes. So I'm going to warn you. The audio is a little rough. The format's a little rough, but we've grown and we've gotten a lot better since then, but I still feel like the conversation is relevant and valid.
Julia: It falls within the theme of our third season, which is high school. Without further ado. Here we go to the
Christina: show
Christina: who doesn't want like three super hot dudes.
Julia: Maybe that's just me to be
Christina: all like, Ooh, googly-eyed over
Julia: Georgia. Like, Ugh, pick one.
Christina: Some of us aren't so lucky. I don't know. No, all of their feelings, like I couldn't hurt that many feelings. They're all so nice in their own way. Plus
Julia: there's history with Zion like that.
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Christina: Okay, Christina,
Julia: I know that, you know that I watched gin and George real quick, Georgia gin and Georgia. Why do I wanna keep saying gin and George stupid?
Christina: The point is, is, you know, both shows have like a, like a female male name, like counter argument. So it's kinda. Natural.
Julia: Yeah, I guess anyway, so let's, let's talk, let's talk.
Julia: Cause I got a lot of thoughts. You got a lot of thoughts and we got a lot of thoughts to talk about
Christina: thoughts. This thoughts is what she's saying, guys. So, so. So let's just, just thought
Christina: I dignify
Christina: to recap. Jenny and Georgia. Is a Netflix series that it follows the, it
Julia: follows Georgia Miller and her children. Let me pull up ID IMDB so we can have like an actual summary description. I should have written one, but I was, you know, life's hard.
Christina: Go. I just like the fact that you knew her last name, like at me, and you watch shows very differently.
Christina: I don't realize anyone's name until like episode six. And I'm like, still like, wait, is that guy named hunter? Is that a hunter? Jenny and is about, um, a mother and daughter duo who Georgia. It was
Julia: 15 when she had the kit. Well, her first, this is terrible. Jenny and Georgia. No, this is
Christina: perfect. Okay. Here's the summary off of imdb.com.
Christina: Ready? yeah, Jenny, Jenny Miller and angsty 15 year old often feels more mature than her
Julia: 30 year old mother. The irresistible and dynamic Georgia
Christina: Miller. I love
Julia: that there is a television show that exists now and more television shows are doing this, which is great, where the lead character is mixed race.
Julia: And one of the reasons why I love. Jenny so much more than
Christina: maybe some of the other ones is because I
Jullia: identify so strongly with the black dad, white mom narrative, because that's my, that's my family dynamic. There's so many things about like, Jenny's relationship with her mom, not the toxic shit, because her mom's hella toxic, but like,
Christina: but
Julia: like just the bonding stuff where I'm just
Christina: like, I totally relate
Julia: to that sort of tone and like, Feel,
Christina: um, dynamic.
Christina: Yeah. And then like what I also loved, this is stupid, but what I also loved, so Jenny's dad's name is
Julia: Zion, who is probably one of the hottest men in the show. So we didn't get
Christina: enough of that. He's beautiful. He is so beautiful. He's beautiful. He better be back from. If there's more seasons, I want him back.
Christina: I wanna look more. Yes, but I love that he Rodee a motorcycle because also
Julia: my dad wrote
Christina: right. Rode motorcycles. So it was like really quick. I'm so sorry. Really? No it's cause we're on the subject of Zion and he didn't get enough time in the show. So he's gonna get enough time for this goddamn podcast. I love that.
Christina: They also have, they showed his family being the put together family. Yes. And not, and not Georgia's because that's just as common as a situation and that's not portrayed on TV enough. Right, right. Sorry. I just like that bugs me so much. And I was so happy to see that, like, I see so many hot mess moms with like dads that really are there and trying their best, but they're poor trade.
Christina: Like they're not. Yeah. Yeah. And I just like that. I D I liked that they showed that is all I gotta say. Yeah. I, I agree with you on that because one of the things that, like, I've always
Julia: struggled with television sometimes is that like, my,
Christina: my dad's side of the family
Julia: was always very polished,
Christina: um, sophisticated,
Julia: even though they weren't wealthy, you know what I mean?
Julia: So like, there's all these things that. I don't see a lot of that represented in pop culture. And that's a struggle for me because it's not representative of my experience, which whatever.
Christina: Um, I really like, like that you say polished without being wealthy, because I think that's a, um, I don't know, coming from like a Mexican family.
Christina: That's such a thing. Like we, we wanna, we wanna look put together. We wanna look like we have, we wanna, we wanna look white. We wanna like, we wanna look like all the white people, but then you come over and you're like, It's all held together by glue and tape. not
Julia: really, but I mean like
Christina: it's just cause it's like it's, it's a facade.
Christina: Yes. Yes. For me, that was really exciting to see somebody. I mean, granted, you
Julia: know, I'm old enough to be this child's
Christina: mother. Um, But it you're, but it, it shows me that you're never too old
Julia: to see yourself in a character when you've never seen yourself in a character before.
Christina: Oh, that's such a good line. I like that.
Christina: Thanks. I feel like what's funny. Okay. I will say what's funny about that though, is I don't think, I think looking like the incar, like the character is important. That's super important, but I, I would say that like, there's so many times in TV history that. Like watch something where I'm like, they get me and it's like, they don't look like me at all, but they said everything that was in my mind or they said, or showed everything that I do or portray.
Christina: Yeah. And it's like, it's, that's, what's so nice about TV, all the different types of dynamics and all the different types of skins and people and situations. And that's what, like, they start to, I feel like we're starting to tap into now more. More nowadays. I was gonna say now more a days, more's not, we're
Julia: also wanted to talk about all of Georgia's relationships
Christina: into it.
Christina: What do you wanna talk about? So like, okay.
Julia: So, you know, I'm a solo mom and I have been for a very, very long time. So like, When her kids are so like, please mom know men this time, it was like, how, like, that's never been the way I've operated as a parent. Men aren't first. Like I don't have, I haven't had a relationship in a really long time and like, finding that balance between your relationship and your child is interesting, but like,
Christina: I, it just broke my heart that like, her kids were like that her kids were like, you know, please mom, like not this time, like, let's
Julia: it just be us this time?
Julia: Like that just
Christina: made me really, really sad. And like her kids
Julia: didn't. Yeah. Like
Christina: her
Julia: kids didn't feel like they came, that they were important. Like that's what it made me feel
Christina: like. I will say I struggle a lot with like, I don't, I know that every single person has their own set of struggles and their own set of capability.
Christina: So I'm not someone that wants to shame anybody, but towards the end of the season, there was like a Georgia said to her friend after not telling her friend that her son was sneaking in the window. like, I feel like a bad mom. And part of me wanted to be like, yeah, homegirl, you made some bad choices as a mom.
Christina: Like, and I feel like, I, I know that like, mom shaming is bad, but we also, as a society need to get to a point where like we're helping people so that we feel like we can actually come to them. So we're not. She has anyone to go to. So she makes all these irrational choices, which in yeah. Tends to make her seem like a bad mom, but she's doing her best in her mind to be the best mom and she's yeah.
Christina: Succeeding in a way. And it's like, how do we. How do we keep seeing this narrative over and over and over and how do we fix it so that people stop shutting down and going into survival mode and pushing everyone away and making bad choices instead of just going like, I need fucking help, man. How do we break that down?
Christina: Yeah. And it's, I feel like that's what it taps into showing. No matter what you do as a mom, you're gonna be the bad guy in someone's eyes at some point, because the next generation is always gonna be an improved version. Yeah.
Julia: And it's interesting that you say survive because like, that's one of the things that I noted when I was watching the show, like Georgia's only been allowed to survive.
Julia: She's never really been allowed to live. And so anytime anything sort of starts to threaten her survival, she has to go into defense mode and whether or not. We agree with how she defends herself. Like it makes me think and reflect on all of the times as a parent when I've been in, okay, I'm on defense and I have to survive the extremes that she goes to for her survival.
Julia: On the one hand, we have this concept of like, those things are like fundamentally wrong. We all know that murder is bad and we all know that like, abuse is bad. But then when you put it in this gray context of like she's 15, 28, whatever, trying to survive to make it with her kids. So she can still have her kids and love her kids and be with her kids.
Julia: It's not as it cut and dry, like it creates this sort of like conflict, at least within me where it was like, what would I be willing to do to survive if like my life hood was threatened in that way, two. Can we just like, when, when Jenny's indignation about like what the little brother's name is, his dad, Austin, Austin, and how she was like, did you, I, did you catch it when she was like, and Jenny's like, I mailed the letters to Austin's dad, cuz he has a right, blah, blah, blah.
Julia: And J Georgia was like, did you put our return address on them? I was. Oh, shit. That's gonna be, if that doesn't come, if they don't come back for season two, if they come back for season two and then don't bring that up in season two, I'm gonna be really disappointed because you know, that's gonna be a huge part of why Georgia operates in this level of mystery in her life.
Christina: Yes. And it's. Um, it's one of those things, I guess that always comes full circle too, where, like, you really don't know the whole story. Yes. You know, somebody's whole stories and you have every right to feel the feelings that you're feeling in that moment, those anger that this, but you don't have a right to.
Christina: Hmm. I don't know, make choices about someone else's life and that's where it's complicated and gray with parents and children, because how much do you tell your kid to keep 'em safe versus how much do you tell them so that they get to grow up knowing? And it's like, obviously we don't have anything this shit level, but it's like, I constantly weigh that out with my own, like my own kid.
Christina: I'm like, Hm. what does he need to know? How much does he need to know? Yes. And it's a constant in every age that they get, you constantly weigh out. You don't realize how much you have to weigh out. The little tiny nuggets of info that they get to know each year more and more. And then it sucks because no matter how you do it, they're gonna find out the whole story at some point.
Christina: Yep. Without, without you being the one to tell them whatever that story is. And it's not gonna go well, because they're gonna have. Feelings about it.
Julia: Yes. Yes.
Christina: So, and it's just, that's the shitty part about being a parent? Just throw that out there. Like if anyone's thinking about being a parent, like, just know from here, the second they're born until the day you die, that's all you're thinking about is how do I not hurt my kid?
Christina: but how do I not hurt my kid down the road by doing something right now? Yes. And I said, what Georgia's faced with from the time that she's 15. And when you think about that at 15, if you were faced with all these giant decisions, can you say that you would've made rational ones go, you know,
Julia: Well, and I think too, if you have like a PO like a healthy support system, you know?
Julia: Yeah. I think that also changes the outcome. What I thought
Christina: was interesting nature versus nurture. Yeah, what I thought was there's a 50 50 with both.
Julia: Yeah. What I thought was interesting was, um, Zion's parents, the flashback to Zion's parents wanting to like be guardians and all this stuff. And, you know, as a person who had a child super young, like I felt her George's pain when she was, you know, felt threatened that they were gonna take her child away in hindsight now.
Julia: In hindsight now it's like, no, they understood better that this is hard. It changes your life. They have very clear understanding of what you are losing, which you don't know that at 15 or 20. No, you don't know what you're losing at that age. And then. And so they're not saying, Hey, we're gonna take your baby away from you.
Julia: Her parents, his parents were saying we're gonna have guardianship. So that way you can still have the flexibility and freedom of being a teenager while still like you. But yes, you still have the, you know, mom role, but we're gonna shoulder the burden. We're gonna shoulder that big burden of that legal guardianship, which.
Christina: Which again, shows how incredible of a family that Zion came from. Yeah. And like, again, reiterates how great it is that we're showing those kinds of characters on television now. Yeah. And like that side of the story, and we're also showing the side that like, Even if the dad's not there, that does not mean he did not want to be.
Christina: That does not mean that he's absent. And it does not mean that he's not trying everything to be there. Yeah. Because I think a lot of the time, um, and I'm not, I don't mean this to offend anyone, but a lot of the time, no matter what you are as a mom, if you're a single mom, you just automatically get a leg.
Christina: Of like, well, you're doing it on your own. So you're doing great type of thing. And same with like single dad, but it's like, I feel like moms get like a little extra like, oh, well she had to do all this on her own, but it's like, well, she didn't have to, she had great support in the dad and with the dad's family and she chose that and it's like, we don't always hear or get to see that side of stories in people's lives too.
Christina: Mm-hmm and that's, what's nice that. Show that on TV where it's like, just stop judge situations because you don't know that absent fathers probably not, you know, or not probably not. They just, they might not be absent. They might not have gotten the fucking choice like, right. And that sucks, but it's great that we're finally showing these stories on TV.
Christina: Like, because I feel like that's also way more common than people think
Julia: about one of the things that you and I talked about offline, that I wanna bring into this conversation is. So Jenny ends up having this boyfriend, hunter who is so adorable and just the he's cute cutest little guy. Um, he's he's such a
Christina: sweetheart.
Christina: Oh my God. All of his, his little action.
Julia: His, his like kindness and love and generosity. Yes, please. Can we make that into a 40 year old man? So I wanted to recap, Jenny's also got a situation where, you know, there's this boy next door. Stu like, okay. Full confession. I had to Google the boy that plays the boy next door because I was like, oh wow, he's beautiful.
Julia: Oh, wow. I feel gross. And I had to like Google to see what year he was born to make sure that I wasn't like,
Christina: we gotta talk about that one day. Like. The age in TV and like how you're allowed to, and the age in real life. That's a different day. Yeah. That's a whole
Julia: separate thing, but it, it like, it like his, like the attractiveness was just like, this is not appropriate for you to be in high school and that attractive.
Julia: So, so there's the boy next door then there's the boy at school hunter. The boy next door also happens to be going to the school as well. So that's like Jenny's little triad, so, but okay. The conversation we had offline. I think it was episode nine, eight or nine, Jenny and hunter have a massive fight and they're basically playing the, and they're basically playing the who.
Julia: Got a harder oppression game, which is totally like, yeah, I don't know in your experience, Christina, but in my experience, that's totally like a reoccurring theme. Oh, well, your life isn't that hard because you look other, yeah. You don't look black, these stereotypes that, you know, darker women get don't apply to you.
Julia: Okay. Fair. I, I recognize that I have light skinned privilege. I understand that. And I, and. Bear responsibility to help uplift voices that are darker than I am. Nothing can be accomplished when you start doing the, my oppression is harder to deal with than your oppression. Blame.
Christina: Yeah. And like, I don't know.
Christina: That goes to say it would just say like in arguments in general, like when you're arguing with someone, if you're gonna just keep going, like, well, I do this or I do that and you do that. Yeah. Like that's just a shitty way to argue. So of course, when you talk about oppression or you talk about racism, it's gonna, because it all feels different because we all have different experiences with it.
Julia: Mm-hmm . Yeah, and
Christina: it, it really hits so, and we can't really understand the other peoples because what sucks about racism is certain or some people aren't racist to all types of people. Some are just racist to select types. Mm-hmm . And so sometimes you get selective. Racism. And so that feels differently versus someone who's racist against everyone where you know that you can, me and you might share experiences who, you know, in that sense where I have different experiences from you because of our two different, you know, backgrounds.
Christina: Yeah. And I think that's where the arguments are never gonna work. Yeah. And I, what was
Julia: interesting to me about their fight was I totally related to Jenny. Frustrations, right? Like she's in this English class. I mean, I was lucky enough to have English teachers who were like, oh, you're kind of smart in this area.
Julia: Great. That's awesome. So I didn't experience that in high school, but I did experience that sort of level of like, oh, you're gonna have to catch up and you may not be good enough for this class in college. So like, So her coming at hunter with this conversation of like, you know, proving myself, being angry, coming across as being an angry black girl, like, oh my God, like it hit so hard.
Julia: But then what I didn't expect when hunter was talking about when he goes to Taiwan, and how it feels like in America being Taiwanese, he's just Asian. And then when he goes to Taiwan, he thinks that it's gonna be, he's gonna find peace and comfort in like his people, but then he's treated like he's white.
Julia: And like, I didn't expect to like, feel re like that was gonna be relatable, but it was because like, that's sometimes how it feels when you're like, at least in my experience when you have this BI bicultural existence. Right. Especially when you grow up in a predominantly white area, like we have where it's like, oh, oh, you're dark or than me.
Julia: Yeah. So you're not, you're not like me, but then you go into the other end and they're like, oh, you're white. Than me, but you're not like me. So it's like, well, what am I like then? Damn it. So like his, his moment of like, it is so like there's no place for me to fit. I was like, oh my God, hunter, I feel that speech
Christina: so hard.
Christina: I, yes. Okay. I say that, I feel that as well in the sense of like, Depending on what time of the year it is. Yeah. I will get different comments made towards me and at me because my skin tone changes so much. Yeah. And I can get very, very, very pales. so I look very white depending on the type of makeup I do or how I do my hair, or if it's colored a little bit, a certain way or whatever.
Christina: And then in the summertime, or if I've just been outside too much or, you know, and I just let, like my naturalness show, it's like, then I get very dark and I get all these very dark features and all of a sudden. I'm no longer fitting in with the people that once made me feel like I fit in. Yeah. And I don't know how to explain that to people because they don't get it.
Christina: and then, you know, and then, so it's like, you're constantly feeling like a, you constantly feel like a sham in your own body because. Just, I mean, I will say this till forever. Like in the movie, Selena, Abraham says this and it stuck with me ever since I was a kid you're never gonna be American enough for the Americans and you're never gonna be Mexican enough for the Mexicans.
Christina: You have to be more American than the Americans and you have to be more Mexican than the Mexicans and it's exhausting. And it's like, that's how you feel as like someone who lives in two different. I don't know, like. I don't even know how to word that, but it just, you constantly are at battle with yourself where you're like, yeah, I'm, I'm white and you're sitting there and you're like, yeah, I'm white.
Christina: I do all these white things. And then you're like, that's racist to say that. And then you're like, no, I'm Mexican. I do all these Mexican things. And you're like, that's fucking racist to say that. And you're like, I'm racist and I'm what to myself. And then I'm just sitting here having a, a problem because I'm like, I don't.
Christina: Why has everyone made me feel like shit about me? And yet I'm just sitting here. Like, can I just have a tortilla and some and cheese and y'all can leave me alone and like, decide for myself what I.
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Julia: I forget specifically what work it was by w E B Devo. Um, but he speaks of this double consciousness, like being a black man in America is like having a double consciousness because you have to live in a white world, but you're still like part of this black culture, this black community. When I, when we studied that in college, it really resonated with me because I felt.
Julia: When you live in sort of this bicultural experience, especially in the, in the states. I can't, I don't know about any other country. I've never lived anywhere else. I've only lived here, but when you live in sort of this like bicultural existence, and then you leave your bubble, your family bubble of like, this is where we fit and you go out into the world and then the world's like, Hm.
Julia: You don't fit. What are you? And it's just kind of like, what, what do you mean? What am I like? The list of things that ive been asked is ridiculous. And like now as an adult, I'm like, oh, that shit's actually really offensive. What I wish I had,
Christina: it's the worst.
Jullia: Like I wish I had known that that was offensive 25 years ago.
Julia: So I could have been a better advocate for myself, but I think, but it what's. So what's so fabulous or not fabulous. What's so fascinating to me is I don't think that when Deb boy wrote that statement, he would, he understood that there would be now generations of people, of multifaceted backgrounds who could identify and relate to that statement of that double consciousness.
Julia: Yes.
Christina: That's a, I think that's a great thought and yeah, I don't know if he realized the impact that he was making by being able to put those words together because yeah, I understand. I can't understand that at all. That's a very different thing that I will never understand, but I can understand the feeling of having almost two different consciousness, like yeah.
Christina: Two different, like at play, like how do I exist in this space versus this.
Julia: Yes code switching. That's the thing. And then I think I make people super uncomfortable sometimes because I'll like, kind of get. A little too comfortable in who I am in a situation. And then I start saying things like the other day in a meeting, I was like, oh, you know, this, this day, this particular day is my birthday.
Julia: So do not call me before 10 or I'm gonna have to take my earrings off. And like, I didn't. Think about it until after the fact that
Christina: that might make some people uncomfortable. What's funny though, is, I mean, when you say that, you know, what I think of is my grandma telling me about her sisters in a high school, tiny little like scrappy Mexican ladies would stick razors in their teased hair.
Christina: Oh gosh. And then. Fight people. So when they would go and like to grab her, grab their hair, their fingers would get cut. But my grandma would say that she'd always make sure she'd take her earrings out. And my grandma would hear like different earrings all the time. And so like, I just, when you think, like, when you say those words, you're probably thinking of your own specific experience.
Christina: I'm thinking a very different one and it's hilarious in my head, right? Oh, that's so funny. So it's very different. It's a wonderful one.
Julia: Yeah. did you see any of the episode, 10 Taylor swift comment controversy. So remember in episode, but I didn't catch it. okay. So remember in episode 10, Jenny's so upset about, I think it was episode 10 about Georgia getting engaged and like all this stuff, spoiler.
Julia: Um, and she's like, you've had more boyfriends than Taylor swift, so then like fast forward. So the series drops fast forward a week and Taylor swift tweets. Hey Netflix way to have like a sexist statement or whatever she specifically says. Oh,
Christina: okay. Yes. Do you remember this? I heard about the drama. I thought it was from a different show though.
Christina: So I was in
Julia: part. When that first happened, I was still early in the season in the series. So I was like, I don't, I don't know what what's happening. Like where, where is this? Because I haven't heard this yet. What's going on? And then, then I get to episode 10 and I was like, Ooh, got it. Hey, Ginny in Georgia, 2010 called.
Julia: And it wants its lazy, deeply sexist joke back. How about we stopped degrading, hardworking women by defining. Poor shit as funny, also Netflix, after miss Americans, this outfit doesn't look cute on you. Heart, the heartbreak emoji, happy women's history month, I guess. And so like I had this moment where I was like, Yeah.
Julia: It bothers me that people give Taylor swift shit about how many people she's dated. Like, I think that's stupid. That's so stupid. Hello? Like, yeah. The laundry list of men who dated and who don't get that kind of, um, attention. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Um, and then two, I had the moment, this moment of like, she's like,
Christina: let's just, let's just stop giving a shit who day two, like let.
Christina: Whoever you wanna put in your bed at night is your business. And let's leave it at the door right there. And that's it for everybody. Yes. Women, rabbits. I don't care everybody, everybody,
Julia: because it's, it's fruitless and it's, it's harmful in the sense of like, if you are not a, a heteronormative human, or even just like, if you are not a person who.
Julia: Views relationships in the same way. Like we've had this conversation before. I don't know if I'll ever be married. I don't know if I wanna be married. I like having yeah. Deep, emotional relationships with people, but I also like living alone. And I also know that not every relationship I enter to, whether it's a friendship or romance is gonna last a long time.
Julia: I've had people in my life. As friends that I appreciate them and I love them dearly, but our friendship is done. It was only meant to last two years. And same with some people I've dated like, yeah, our relationship lasted six months. And that's exactly how long it needed to last end of story. Like this was not a thing that needed to go longer.
Julia: We
Christina: also have to talk about the fact that like that. Important for people like in the growth life experience that like these people come in and out of our lives. Yes. Some people become pillar life people forever. Once they get there, they don't leave. But 90% of 'em are just filtering in and out and we need to stop perpetuating this idea that like one is done, baby.
Christina: Yes. No, you gotta make some mistakes and live your life before you can find someone. Sticking around with not everybody is worth
Julia: being a main character in your life. Some people are only worth two or three chapters and that's needs to be okay. My parents have been married for 50 years and that blows my freaking mind because I'm just, they were so young when they got married that I'm just like, who would you have been?
Julia: And I think about this for myself too. Like, who would you have been if you hadn't gotten married at 21 and not in like a bad way? Like, I'm not saying they're bad people. It's
Christina: like just a thought. Yeah, I will say the older I get the cooler, my mom becomes because growing up, I thought she was a very scary lady, but now I'm like, no, she just kept it very real.
Christina: And it's like, she was always really open and like powerful with me in the sense of like, You do not need to settle down. You do not need a man. You do not need a person to make you happy. Like you go be a lady, you go live your life. You go do whatever you want. If someone is there and they make you happy, that's wonderful.
Christina: But like be you first. Yeah. And then everything else is a bonus. And I was like, okay. And I didn't follow that at all. I still tried to like fall in love a shit ton of times and settle down with all these wrong people and I, you know, ignored it. And then I found the right one and then I started going, my parents are right.
Christina: And then I. I don't care if we get married or not. You're stuck with me. I really like you. It's.
Julia: Aw, that's sweet. I want somebody to be stuck with me who I back
Christina: to Georgia, because yes, because let's talk about that though, because ah, I don't even know where I was going with that. So Georgia having a bunch of boyfriends or dating or whatever, Georgia is a single mom now, and now she.
Christina: Spoiler she's engaged to this guy. What do you think about what he said? I feel like it was very mature of him, but also like a cocky move on his part to, um, kind of go about it the way he did when he was like, well, your relationship with Zion was just a thing. That's small. You're gonna be with me now.
Christina: Like, can we just talk about that? Because I have a lot of feelings about it and like, as much as the romantic in me wants to go, like, hell yeah. The like the woman in me wants to go like, fuck off.
Julia: So when she talks about how Zion is his. Is her penguin penguins are one of my favorite creatures on the planet.
Julia: I love that they mate, for life, I love that they've had, they have, are very, had to be very adaptive in their environment. Right? Like birds that don't fly. Like, they're just so fascinating to me. So when that came up, that Zion was her penguin. I was like to me as a person who was a penguin appreciator, I was like, oh shit, she's tethered herself to Zion.
Julia: And she doesn't want to be untethered from Zion.
Christina: Yeah. Yeah. that's what I feel like too, which is why the mayor's speech felt a little aggress, not aggressive, but a very
Julia: persuasive maybe. And, but also naive because he's not understanding, like she knows the penguin story. Like she told him that he like the penguin story and he's still choosing to believe that this is.
Julia: That he is non of no, of no. Consequence of Zion is no consequence to Georgia. Like he's still choosing to believe that Zion is a small blip in her life that is no longer relevant. And having a child does not mean that you're still relevant in someone's life. I just need to make that clear.
Christina: No, but I will hear the other thing is I was gonna say like having a child with someone, maybe if they're not relevant to your life, but they're relevant to your child's life and your child's life is relevant to your.
Christina: So in a way, yes, yes. You have to care for like, I'm, it sucks to be on my end sometimes, but you, I understand that Tara has to care about his son's mother and I wouldn't want it any other way because it's like, yeah, that's the best way to care for our son. Mm-hmm is caring also. What he cares about, which is his family.
Christina: And to tell someone like, I guess I'm just getting a little too aggressive, but to tell that like, that doesn't matter, like bugs me, it bugs me when someone just writes people off and writes experiences off because that's not how life is. And it's like, We can't be so tethered to our own egos that we just go like, oh, well, like, because it's makes me insecure.
Christina: Like they're nothing like no fucking get over your insecurities and accept the fact that people have a place in our life for times. And that's okay. And then we can have special feelings for them that linger. That just mean that that time was special. It's not that that time still matters. If that makes sense.
Christina: It just means at that moment in time, it was a good. Yes, maybe or not always good, but whatever.
Julia: Yes, no, no, no. I, I don't disagree with you. I have a different perspective and I think that.
Christina: Of
Julia: course, I think that in this scenario, and I'm not coming from personal experience, cuz we both know that I've been a solo mom for a very long time.
Julia: I think in this scenario with the way that young, when they portray young Georgia and young Zion, the way that she looks at him. I also think that Zion's a little naive in thinking that they, that they would be successful together. I think that he doesn't understand that, but I think that Georgia wants to be with Zion, but she knows it won't work.
Julia: And that's, I think the biggest difference. Yes, because she's like, yes, you are just gonna lead. We it's like they both it's. They both have these big creative personalities, but they can't figure out how to coexist together in that, because remember in the
Christina: flashback, I would say too, it's more like, I would say that Georgia knows that I don't know how to word this, but the reason it wouldn't work out is because I'm not gonna say that.
Christina: I'm not saying Zion's too good for her, but the life that Zion lived is very different from her. Her experience and he might place judgements on her that she would make, it would make her feel so shitty. And she knows that. And so she protects her heart in a way by keeping him at a distance and stopping him, like with everyone else, just leaving all of it to herself.
Christina: Yeah, leaving all of that darkness in herself and carrying that burden so that she doesn't feel the actual burden of getting hurt, like really hurt by love. Yeah. She burdens all the bridges
Julia: first. Yeah. Yeah.
Christina: Yep.
Julia: I'm just thinking and reflecting.
Christina: Are you aware yourself? Are you okay?
Julia: Yes. Okay, big question. Do we want a season two? Yes.
Christina: Yeah. I do want a season two because I need to know if Austin's gonna get therapy. I love him and the poor kid needs help and I got so angry that she just didn't the kids stabbed a kid.
Christina: Yeah. And we're just gonna gloss over that. I found a lot of things there that was problematic. How do you feel about that? So can we just, before we go anywhere, what did you think about that whole scenario?
Julia: So I think it's interesting because I think that a mom who did not come from George's background of physical and emotional abuse and having to survive.
Jullia: Probably maybe would've had the response of like, oh, that's not okay. Like, baby, what's wrong. Let's get you help the way that Ginny responded. Yeah. Whereas Georgia who's literally whose motto is, what do we do for like what that person's a be and what do we do to BES, whatever that phrase is. Yeah. So that's her motto.
Jullia: So for me, I. Wanted to be shocked that she wouldn't acknowledge that this is a problem, but because of her background and her history and the way that the story was revealed to us in flashbacks, it was like, she probably doesn't see it as a problem because she's probably done similar things herself. And we don't know the full extent yet.
Jullia: And it just breaks my heart that Jenny wants to get her brother help. And that George's just the block, the block. That's like, no,
we're
Christina: not doing this. And it breaks my heart when whenever children are being more responsible than their parents mm-hmm it always like? No. And I get the fact that. There's going to be times where my kid's more responsible than me, but I'm just saying like, when you see it, it's so heartbreaking for some reason.
Christina: Yeah. And it's because you see their maturity just rise up so quickly and then how quickly it fizzles back down. But it's like, ah, just, it reminds you that they're little people and I, yeah. That's what makes it so hard is because it's like, yeah, they have all of these capabilities and we don't give them enough credit.
Christina: And by not giving 'em enough credit is by not telling 'em as much as we prob. Should at times. And that's again where we come back with not knowing what to do, what's right for your children, but I know it's not letting him stab other children
Jullia: that's for sure know
that.
Christina: Yes. That's what, yes. Okay. I have not been a parent long, but I, I will say that if your kid is harming themselves or others, you need to seek professional
Jullia: help.
Jullia: To me, it was interesting that while Georgia is doing everything she can to like protect her children. The one thing that. Kept me from like the one thing that I sort of operated in was you can't be a bad kid because if somebody at school says, oh, this is weird behavior, I think something suspicious is going on at home.
Jullia: That's gonna blow up our life and you can't do that.
Christina: Even though, like
Jullia: saying what, even though like nothing, what bad was happen, even though my home was like healthy and, you know, wonderful. And all these
Christina: things, you're saying like that's paper. I
Jullia: never, you're not allowed to be a bad kid because on paper I'm a single parent.
Jullia: I have two jobs I have, yes. I have a support system. Yeah. But there's a big. There's a big, but right. There's always that big, but
Christina: same, but oh my God, you look at her butt.
Jullia: Right. But like that, and that, that didn't apply to parent, to, to kids who had two parents in the home, or even to divorce, like divorced parents, both parents are present people at the school didn't know who my child's father was until he showed up to baseball game.
Jullia: One day, I think we were in fourth grade, so.
Christina: Okay. But that's the thing is like, yeah, I. Before you said that I would've never thought about that point of view and I would've never thought about that. So, yeah, that is interesting that she's just so nonchalant about it again. Yeah. Cause like the teacher's on so many points of view that she doesn't want to seek help for Austin because she seems like she does genuinely.
Christina: Be a good mother and it seems like that's the most neglecting thing that she's done. And I think that's why it bugs me so much. Yeah. Like, yeah. No, because it doesn't make sense. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. Like what you're saying. If we get a season two, hopefully we can see why, like she just kind didn't wanna.
Christina: Touch on that. But yeah, it really makes me nervous. Like, yeah. Why that's not a thing.
Jullia: Cause Austin's a sweet kid and he, and his dad's and his dad's probably some sort of abusive dirt bag who maybe almost murdered Ginny in Georgia at one point, like I'm thinking all the worst case scenarios, because why else would you not want mm-hmm that person to know where you.
Jullia: Like the routine address things
Christina: go in the forefront. Let's we have to talk about before we, like, I know we gotta get off of this soon, but like, we have to talk about really quick when Jenny was like flashing back, realizing all this stuff about her mom, we suddenly touching her. So is it, you know, like was, are all of these situations and we we've already seen the flashback of the first husband.
Christina: He was a Groe grope dude. Like they're not. Dudes. Yeah. And it's, and I'm not saying this is where it all gets sticky and gray. I'm not saying what anything she did was. Okay. But when you're in the survival mentality and you remember, I don't know if I told you this spot a couple weeks ago, like. I feel like some people it's it's, especially if you have kids way younger, like you kind of get stuck in that mentality, whatever age you had your kid at mm-hmm , that's kinda where your brain stops maturing.
Christina: So let's say she had her at 15. She is forever living with a 15 year old's mindset. So every time she does this at this repeated behavior, it's because that's what 15 year old did to keep herself safe and to keep Jenny safe. And it's worked this long. So why stop now? Why seek help now? I guess I'm answering my own fucking question.
Christina: She doesn't wanna seek help because it's worked. look it, this is why talk therapy works, guys. You just keep talking until you figure out your own shit. Well, and I think that she doesn't
Jullia: know how to get help or that she
Christina: needs it. Absolutely. Oh yeah. Big that's the other part most, but also like that need help.
Christina: Don't realize they need
Jullia: help. And like the mayor might be what forces her. I don't know. But also did you watch Friday night lights cuz that's where he's from. Is
Christina: that where he's from? That is where he's from a couple of things. Isn't. Was he not the mayor when the heart calls or I don't fucking know it's another, no, the heart Dixie heart of Dixie, not the heart of Dixie.
Christina: It's neither of those. It's one that came out with a name that's like a remake of an old, still Magnolia, still Magnolias. Was he not there been so many
Jullia: remakes of steel Magnolias that I don't know what you're talking about.
Christina: I'm sorry. Steel Magnolias came out on Netflix sometime in 2020. Cause I watched it during pandemic time.
Christina: Wait, it was a re a remake. So it was like a, it's a net. It's a Netflix series, like short series or some I don't fuck. Oh, figure that out. But you're sweet Magnolias. Sweet Magnolias. So, sorry. Yes. I liked that show. I liked that show. He's not on that show. Oh, I thought it was the same guy. Do you hang out with towns?
Christina: People this much? Why is everyone just so casual with town? Like everyone in town, like, oh, I don't know. People around town. Girl, you should know, you should know better than to bring that
Jullia: up with is true. I can't go. I can't go anywhere. Like I know, but thanks to the pandemic. I don't know anybody anymore because you know, I was overwhelmingly paranoid about COVID and, um, com and I just in general have a thing about like, not contracting a communicable disease.
Jullia: So like I have no friends left, but prior to the pandemic, You know that I, that I was that person
Christina: yeah. I just, maybe it's the introvert in me, but I just, the idea of that many people knowing my name
Jullia: scares the shit outta me.
Christina: Yeah. They're just gonna, what come and say hi to me when I'm out in the cold open like that, like I'm just trying to pick out yogurt, please.
Christina: Don't talk to.
Jullia: Listen, I will say that if I'm running errands or in doing stuff, that's like maintenance. I don't wanna talk to anybody when I'm actively choosing to be social, like this whole face cover situation. We were all sad when it's over. Cuz like I really appreciate being able to pretend like I don't recognize somebody and then in return not recognizing me
Christina: I will say.
Christina: I'm gonna miss the fact that I just can't make stupid faces anymore at people. Like, or like when
Jullia: I'm wearing my mask and I'm like this working on editing a project, I'm like this. Okay. Uh,
Christina: yeah. I get to, yeah. Like what I can't, well,
Julia: I don't have a mask on,
Christina: it's gonna look weird, but then I'll go like, get my toilet paper for the week or whatever.
Christina: And it's like, I'm just standing in line going. Pretending I'm Donnie from the wild Thornberries like, like underneath my mask, trying to get the hair outta my mouth that my mask had on it.
Jullia: Yep. Yep. Oh my gosh. I could probably watch Jenny and Georgia again, but not in the same way that I watched, like Gilmore rolls over and over again.
Jullia: I think that it's a little different in terms of like
Christina: what the takeaways are. I agree. I think that television now has more in depth views and ideas and thoughts. So you can't rewatch it and feel nostalgia. You kind of rewatch it and feel almost like pain again, in some ways. That's a really good point.
Christina: Well, that's our show for you. It's so dark. Hey, I just meant like TV now is a lot heavier than it used to be. So I don't think we can have you can't compare. It is all. I mean like Gilmore girls was made in a time where TV didn't have like their deep thoughts. Weren't we're still shallow is all. I mean like, listen, we didn't deep dive.
Christina: And to listen the deepest where I don't know. Well, I, okay. So that's a whole conversation for another day that we could have your thoughts on Gilmore girls versus my thoughts on Gilmore girls. Cause like I'm basically the age of Rory and I just watched Gilmore girls for the first time, like a couple years ago.
Julia: Oh my God. That's
gonna
Christina: be a great conversation. Yeah. Remember I was wa you are the one that made me watch it. That sounds like a really
Julia: good topic for us to
Christina: discuss next week. That's our show for you this week tune in next week, when we discuss Gilmore girls and our differing opinions about deep in early two thousands versus
Julia: deep now
Christina: I feel like that was a very pointed state.
Julia: I, maybe it was, maybe you tapped into something. I don't
Christina: know. People will have to tune in next time to find out. All right. I guess we'll see them next
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Christina: Makes me jealous. All right, I'll see you. Next time. You're weird. So awkward, funny, my
Julia: friends that was gin and Georgia are very second episode of the podcast. Ever. Christina has been a frequent guest on the show. You can catch on episodes like mean girls Eza the family stone soul. We have great conversations. We're friends in real life. That episode was recorded on March of 2021. So since then I have watched rewatched, Ginny, and Georgia.
Julia: Again, when I watched the show a second time, I found Ginny to be a little bit less of a sympathetic character. She kind of drew me crazy a little bit. Her righteous indignation when it came to her mom, you know, we know that teenagers don't have a toll, a ton of life experience, but they're also experiencing their first age of enlightenment.
Julia: So they think they know everything. I thought I knew everything. I thought I was the smartest person in the room when I was 16. jokes on me. I wasn't. Anyway, Jenny and Georgia is on Netflix. All episodes are streaming. There's currently only one season. There may be a second season by the end of the year.
Jullia: There's speculation that it'll drop in October of 2022. We don't know. I am DB cannot confirm. Also I apologize for the faint noise of Nirvana in the background, my child is listening to Nirvana very loudly, and I did everything I could to try and. Any of it leaking into this portion of the show, but also very proud of his music choice.
Jullia: All right, friends, thanks for tuning in y'all.
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