Rebroadcast Gossip Girl | 22
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This episode was originally broadcast in Season 1. Host Julia Washington and guest David Yontef discuss the first 6 episodes of the Gossip Girl reboot streaming on HBO Max.
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Julia: In season one, David Onte from behind the velvet rope. Stop by to talk about the gossip girl reboot. At the time we recorded only half the season was released since then all of season one is now available on HBO max. They are working on season two. The entire show was interesting. I think I hate watched it, but I like hate loved it at the same time.
Julia: This is a rebroadcast of that conversation, so I hope you all enjoy. And now here we go to the show. Hey friends, love our show, but hate the commercials. Become a pop culture club member on Patreon for $15 a month to receive ad free episodes with bonus content bonus episodes of virtual meetup, dis to discuss movies and television, and so much more to learn more about how to become one of our Patreon pals.
Julia: Visit pop culture makes me jealous.com or hit the link in our show notes. Hey friends, welcome to pop culture makes me jealous. I'm your host, Julia. And this week, David from behind the velvet rope is back and we are breaking down gossip girls. First six episodes.
Julia: David, welcome
David: back to the show. What is going on? How are you today?
Julia: Uh, I'm tired.
David: I'm tired. I'm waking up. Well, you're you're on the west coast, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm so it's earlier for you. You have a reason to be
Julia: tired. And my dog was like, hi mom. It's I know it's 6:00 AM, but you need to pay attention to me
David: right now.
David: You're like, I'm tired. Let me go back to sleep. Leave me alone. Pretty much.
Julia: Yeah, I get it. Yeah. Yeah. She's really cute though. So it's hard to be mad at.
David: He gets a pass.
Julia: Yeah, she does. She's fluffy and so cute. Um, friends, if you'll remember, David was here for episode 13 when we talked about the Hills new beginnings and I'm really happy.
Julia: He, uh, came back to talk about gossip, girl. That's gonna be good.
David: We love a little gossip girl. Don't
Julia: we? Yes. And as a friendly reminder to all of you listeners, there will probably be spoilers. So you've been warned if you haven't seen the first six episodes in, in, and you're disappointed by the spoilers.
Julia: I I'm, I can't help you. It's not my fault. You had plenty of time to watch all these episodes.
David: seriously. We have to talk about it. There's gotta be some spoilers. Yes,
Julia: exactly. Okay. So let's dive in. So as a refresher for everyone, HBO, max released gossip girl on July 8th, and the show is more of a sequel than a reboot with no one clearly being like a Blair or a Chuck or a Dan.
Julia: However, each character does have elements of the original cast. So when gossip girl first released all those weeks ago, the LA times ran an article or a review rather titled what made gossip girl a phenomenon is sorely missing from the reboot. And they said, and I quote to say the original was an implausible cornball, mellow drama elevated by the soulful charisma of its Fren.
Julia: Me leads lake lively, Serena, and Leeton mesters B Blair is only a dig. If something is only a dig, if you have something against cornball, mellow drama, But the gossip bro is not as powerful a charm machine as its predecessor. Even with the first series writer and executive producer, Joshua Shan in charge, perhaps it's too aggressively glamorous expensive corn can seem like overkill where a more modest production can read as authentic, even when the story is ridiculous or perhaps it's the new show, which premieres Thursday too often seems to take itself as seriously as the characters take themselves.
Julia: One of the advantages of the original is that it's obviously a comedy and fun. So we've talked, we've watched the first six episodes and they've only released the first six episodes, which stresses me out, cuz I need to know what happens now. But do you agree with this LA times review? I feel like it
David: made me feel a little cranky.
David: I mean. I haven't read other articles. Yeah. On the matter. Now I know that the first weekend this was out, it broke. I don't know. I, I didn't understand the verbiage that I read. It said it broke all records, like for the first weekend for HBO. So I don't know if this is now the highest rated show that has ever existed on HBO max ever.
David: Or they mean like the first opening weekend is the highest ever. It sure. It's a little bit of a difference. Yeah. But I don't necessarily disagree with that article. You're gonna be like really? I mean, here's the thing. I have an open mind for everything. Like I loved the original Dallas and then T T rebooted, Dallas mm-hmm
David: And I loved that. Like if I think about, yeah. Oh my God. It was so good. I mean, it got canceled. Of course. Yeah, it did. But I like, if I think of all these reboots, like 9 0 2 and oh, mm-hmm, not BH 9 0 2 and oh, with the originals, but the other one with like Shena Grimes and in the cord and then Melrose place with Ashley Simpson, which was like, I'm trying to think of a reboot and charmed.
David: I watched two episodes and said, I, I can't even do this. I didn't even try
Julia: the reboot of charmed.
David: I couldn't. I tried, I mean, I don't like the actresses mm-hmm I'm like throw, throw someone in there, like if Alyssa comes and makes an appearance, I'll watch. Right. But like, I can't think of any reboot and there might be one that I liked as much.
David: The Hills is probably as close as possible. Yeah. That's not even as good. Right. At least I love the Hills. I think we're the only ones because no one's watching mm-hmm but. I don't know. I don't necessarily disagree with that. I, I think you might like this incarnation of gossip bra more than me
Julia: so my friend and I reviewed the first episode, uh, we did a recap and we were like, what is this trash?
Julia: But we're still gonna watch it. Like, that was the theme of that episode. And so it just kind of, to me, it felt like it took a really long time to get into the gossip girl vein into the gossip girl stride. Like I felt like episode three or four was when they were like, finally, you kind of got it. Like, oh, okay.
Julia: We needed three episodes of setup before we actually got the tone of gossip girl. Like that felt like a long time to get there.
David: And for me, I think it was more like maybe six episodes, like, okay, this past, the ending here, it will. There's so many things to unpack. I know, like, I, I don't, I think for me, one of the main, right, there's no real.
David: Yes. They all have elements of characters. I mean, there's no real like Layton and Blake, like you see why they're superstars? They're so good Blake, especially, but yes. You know, bla Layton's great. She just doesn't have the career. Blake has, but it was so good. Like I don't like, or really care about the two sisters.
Julia: And I thought that was an interesting, uh, avenue, I guess, to try and explore because it feel,
David: yeah. I
Julia: mean, is that trying to make it relatable to gen Z because more kids have like that sort of like, you know, I have a half sibling and kind of situation. Like, I wasn't sure why that was.
David: I mean, the whole thing is a statement to like, Hey world, we get it.
David: There's diversity. Right? we have, we'll get into all the sexuality that's being represented. Mm-hmm it's like, so I get it. They're trying to throw everything in the kitchen sink in there, which I'm okay with that. But I just don't like, I think it's the actresses. I just can't. There's nothing wrong with them.
David: Yes. The older, and by the way, this shows you like how it's not grasping me. Like, I'm not gonna try to know your name, like right. It just needs to come. It just needs to come naturally. Mm-hmm so I don't know when I knew that, you know, that Serena's name was Serena. I think probably the first episode mm-hmm I don't know, 99% of the people's names in this show now I end it.
David: So then I'm like, is it me? Is it that I'm just busier in life? And there's so much going on in my life now because I do my podcast every day and like my threshold for AB, like, but then I look at something like Emily in Paris, which was. I took to that within one episode. Yep. Same selling, selling sunset. I took to within three minutes, like I need season
Julia: three of selling sunset ASAP,
David: please.
David: Season four. You mean, I mean, season
Julia: four. Thank you. Life's hard. But
David: even like younger. Okay. Younger started many years ago, but I mean, I took to that in a second and I'm still obsessed with younger, even though it's over and we're in our final season now. Yeah. So I don't know. I think it's just, I, I don't know people's names really.
David: Yeah. I, I, they're not sticking in my mind. So that says something I
Julia: agree. And so another thing that bothered me and there's
David: too many people, there's too many characters for the beginning of a show. Yes. There's
Julia: seven like main characters, which feels awkward for a show. That's not an ensemble cast situation because what made the original gossip girl work in my mind so well, is that you had the clear.
Julia: Like, yeah, you had Chuck, Serena Blair, Chuck, Serena Blair, Dan were kind of like the innate were kind of like the main focus and then everybody was an outlier, like sure. There was Dan's sister, Jenny. Sure. There was Serena's brother little Jay. Um, so, but the thing is
David: like, You wanted more of them? Yes.
David: Because they came, when you knew all about Serena and Blair and Dan and Chuck and, and Nate. So like you wanted more Eric and Eric explored his sexuality. Cause like, by the time you got there, you knew the key character. So you're like how interesting Serena's brother, Eric has more of a story this year.
David: Great. Like, yeah. You almost welcomed it. Do you know what I
Julia: mean? Yeah, totally. Cause the things that I got hung up on was they kept referencing like Zoya Jane and Julian Elizabeth. And that has significance. Well, what's the significance. Like you keep recalling that there's significance, but you're giving us nothing towards that.
Julia: So I felt like they kept dropping things into the storyline and granted there's still six episodes that haven't been released and will be released in November, but there's nothing. Like that we didn't get a whole lot of understanding. It was like, okay. So they secretly have a relationship that their dads didn't know about in PS.
Julia: I love Luke Kirby. So him showing up as Julian's dad made me actually very happy, but, but it was just kind of like, there's a lot of things happening and I don't know where to focus. Oh
David: yeah. It's
Julia: like, uh, Audrey's mom having issues. Like there's just so many side stories happening that I'm just like, I feel like I'm having ADHD
David: moments and that's the other thing, like, yes.
David: Okay. I mean, you had me at Kelly Ruthford because I loved Mel's place. Right. But like Lily Vander, Woodson, and then like, you know, Rufus. And, but even then, like Blair's mother becomes more of a FA and so it's like the parents were so dynamic. Yes. In the first one. And yeah, I don't know. It's like, there's so many.
David: Listen. And some of these actors do rise to the top for me that I find interesting to watch, but like even the parents are just bland to me here. Mm-hmm , there's not anything drawing me to
Julia: them. It also really bothered me that we found out who gossip girl was in episode one. I really took issue
David: with that way.
David: It was see, I that's the, one of the things that I kind of like, oh, okay. Like that are not, I ki now I don't like that's I, I like that. You know, that not, I just like it because it's like, this is so different. Mm-hmm but. , it does add a lot of this story now that like they're plotting and scheming and like, you know, and you see, I don't know what they would do without it.
David: That's like a huge part of, and that's where at the end, like the last episode and half that's when it started coming together of like these teachers and the way they're handling, this is actually the humor. I think it's now the most like, like the original. Yeah. It's starting to have that flare to it where, especially where she talks about how she always wants to be famous and have her stuff.
David: Like, and now she is like, this is it. Like, that's her thing. But even the funny, like when they were dividing it off and she you're on this duty and you're, I'm. This is like one of the best funniest scenes so far. Yeah. And so like if they just doubled down on that, like that has the feel of the original to me.
David: Yeah. One of the only times. Yeah. So, I mean, I actually like that kind of,
Julia: well, no, uh, in the sense of. By episode six, when they finally get into that a groove. I agree with you on that, because that was pretty entertaining. I think in the beginning, when you find out who it is, and they're fumbling through trying to figure it out, that was hard for me to watch.
Julia: Cuz I'm sitting over here thinking you're making, you're like creating these paper trails of what you're doing and then you're gonna get fired. And this stresses me out. Like I just,
David: I dunno. Yes. I mean, and I do like how, you know, what it is. It's just, they are making references the same way. The first one made references.
David: Yes. But maybe I was just like at a different age and like related to it, like in the first one when they made all these references about like Gawker and this, and mm-hmm they are doing the same thing. It's social, but they're not as I don't. it's those little nuances. Mm-hmm like when they're like, Ugh, you know, you won't be on Vogue.
David: You'll just be on pop sugar or whatever it is that may be chuckle. They're making. Yeah. Like, but it's not the same for some reason, to me. Yeah. These little things about, you know, is it, but they're doing it, they are doing it. They're saying like, you know, and I'll post when I want to. And you know, and you have to have scheduled posts.
David: So it is the same thing. They're doing the same thing. So is it what, like, I don't know. I don't know what it is. I was gonna
Julia: say, do you think too hard? Well, and in 2007 we were still sort of insular, right? Like we didn't really have the internet in the way that we have it now. So those types of like big get things were huge and totally strive for, you know, now you can have a million followers and nobody knows who you are.
Julia: And so it makes it a little bit like, yeah. Harder to not harder, but it's not, I don't know. It just. Yeah. I, I don't know how I'm trying. I don't know how to express this without sounding like with, with the words that I need, but there's so much more room and space now for somebody to be at some sort of influencer or celebrity in their own.
Julia: Right. That certain types of achievements don't necessarily do they still carry the same weight, I guess, is what I'm trying to figure out. Well,
David: I never thought about it like that, but that's a good point because like, back in the day, like, you really felt like Serena and Blair were the elite. Yes. Like you felt like this school was elite.
David: And like, I don't know, like I live in New York, so it was so like re it was very accurate. Mm-hmm it was accurate. Like, I know people that went to all these private schools and like, they would say, like, they would say like ed Westwick and chase Crawford, it was like would go across the street. Like one girl I know was in, I even did an episode on my podcast about this.
David: I had like a real life. Girl who I'm friends with, who cities? Right. She grew up on the upper side and she said like, ed Westwick and chase Crawford would like literally come over to our school. And we were standing outside and like, just want information, like doing character research, like, yeah. It was an accurate portrayal of like the elite in New York.
David: Like I got that feeling. Mm-hmm that like Serena and Blair were stars mm-hmm because nobody was a star. It was more of the era of like, why is Paris Hilton on paid six? Now Paris is an icon and we know why. Yeah. Yeah. But at that time you're like, why, you know what I mean? Like we had these people like that whole, like you're famous for not, you know, you're famous for being famous.
David: So when Blair and Serena were there, you're like, of course Serena and Blair are superstars because they are, they're just talked about they're those Paris Hilton types that aren't don't do anything. And. Now it's like, yeah, I never thought of that, but that is true. Like, everyone is an influencer. You could live in like Iowa and have a million followers and be more of an influencer making money and elite or on TikTok.
David: Than anyone living on the upper side of New York. So yeah, it doesn't feel as elite, like anyone could be in that category and it's kind
Julia: of true. Right. Cause with her struggle, like with Julian struggles, with like her presentation on her Instagram and losing followers and that drama between her and soya and OB, because I've worked with influencers and have worked in influencer marketing, like to me, that felt real, but also that's literally millions of people's lives.
Julia: So why is Julie different and special?
David: Yes. And yes. Like, I don't feel that she's as special. Mm-hmm I think it's just like a sign of the times. Yeah.
Julia: And that final, that scene in the episode six, where all these brands were coming to her, you know, and I, and it granted, I didn't, I haven't worked with people who are in the millions of followers category.
Julia: We're talking like mid-level influencer kind of stuff, but they're coming to her and pitching her. It was just kind of like, is that, is that. is that the level that you're at when you have millions of followers, is that right? Like, do you really, did it come to you
David: like that? I don't think so. I think when you have like a million followers, you take everything that comes to you and you feel like
Julia: you still have to pitch and still have to make an effort to be like, here's what we can do toge you know, it's not like I'm trying to get you because you're so famous kind of stuff.
Julia: I
David: don't know. Yeah, no, I, I would agree with that. Maybe that's a huge part of why it doesn't work as much. Mm-hmm you just don't feel like they are elite. Mm don't. Feel like it, right? Yeah. They have money and this and that. But even that you don't, you know, like, is it cuz we've seen it all before, like, you know, everyone has the family dinners and mm-hmm , you know, this and that, but.
David: Yeah. Like with Blair and Serena, like you just felt like they were filthy rich mm-hmm and famous and elite, that whole
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Julia: And you know, when they're de the teachers are deep diving on the original gossip girl, trying to figure out what this thing is, and they make reference to Blair having been a princess, you know, things like that. It doesn't feel like those things could happen in this newer version. You know, there is no opportunity for that kind of like big.
Julia: Because that was her thing. Bla, all she wanted was to become a princess and then it happens and then it doesn't work out. just like, what's our character's thing. Like what's their thing. That's gonna be their thing for the next seven seasons. If they have seven or six seasons, if they have six seasons, like that's not there
David: now.
David: I feel a lot of all the people. Yeah. It's not, I don't know. There's something I really wanna like it. So the teachers in the end were like, wow, now they are kind of standing out to me. Mm-hmm even like the all three of them in their own way are funny.
Julia: Maybe that's the direction they're heading in into the next six episodes is that it's gonna be more about the teachers than the kids
David: maybe.
David: And like the fact that they're trying to keep this up and like they they're in over their heads. Mm-hmm like, that's funny. Right. And
Julia: bought just like when, um, uh, Kate Keller tells when they get the video, we'll get to this in a little bit. But when they get the video of Rafa and one of the students, I, and then it's gone, I was, and then she's like, oh, I gave Rafa the login and me, cuz I work in social media now and everybody wants to log into the accounts.
Julia: So I'm like, no, because that's just, that's we're going, that's a risk. If too many people have the information to log in, that's a risk. And then, oh, I was like, oh, when anyway, we'll get to it. The last time you were here, we did kind of touch a little bit on the new gossip girl speculated a little, the diversity of the cast.
Julia: Somebody wrote an op ed for pop sugar about the diversity. And she sort of criticized the show for not having more. Um, she, she said, yes, thank you for the representation. But also you couldn't basically, she was like, you couldn't find a dark skinned girl. And so. Me being a biracial human black parent white parent, I was like, oh, we finally have a lead in a show.
Julia: That's a big deal on HBO. Who's mixed. And we're seeing her life sort of with her white parent played by Luke Kirby, as I mentioned before, who I love. So I just kind of felt like which leads me. Yeah. It leads me to like, could they even have tried to cast differently because in my mind, all of the dark skin actresses that I could come up with, the only one that would be age appropriate was sky Jackson.
Julia: And I, and she's like 19, I think. And, but everyone else I could think of was older. So then I'm like, of course spiraling. Is that me just not being aware of all of the actors and actresses that exist in the world. But again, that becomes that conversation of you can have people be stars and have followings, but you don't know that they exist.
Julia: And then
David: it becomes like. I mean, I just think you'll be criticized no matter what, like, okay. So if we got someone a little darker skin, it wouldn't have been enough. Mm-hmm like, I just think, I mean, you know, and I don't know that I'd have to really break this down, but just actresses that come to mind, I'm not saying that they're dark skin, but like, okay.
David: You have like a Yara Shahidi. Mm-hmm like, I think, I think that Grown-ish is ending, I think. Yeah. It's their last season. So she'll go back to Blackish, which Blackish season
Julia: it's last season too. They're starting their
David: last season too. Blackish was, I Grown-ish was great. And now I'm over it. I could barely watch it's like in the background but Blackish is still to me, phenomenal.
David: Mm-hmm like it's I think it's so good. Or like Zendaya you could throw, I mean, you know, again, I'm making a lot of assumptions that any of these people wanna do a TV show, right?
Julia: Zaya did Eupora and, and that was huge for each B max, cuz she won. Was it the Emmy for best actress or the mean, I mean, she won an award for it, but still, but still it's like HBO had their gritty high school drama already.
Julia: So gossip girl can't be that.
David: No, it cannot. So I don't know, but yeah, I find the whole like, and I don't know if this is just cuz I'm gay and it's hot, but I find the whole Rafa like that storyline is one and I even think that that actor who's playing. I forget his name. I know he's beautiful. He's I was like, he's a model in real life.
David: He's a model. Yeah. Well, he was before this now, I guess he, yeah, he, that like at least, cuz that does, I mean, come on. Like I'm sure that that type of thing happens. So like that's interesting to me mm-hmm I do mean they really are trying to be as diverse as possible with all the sexuality. Like people are BI, not B, which is everything is
Julia: represented.
Julia: Yeah. Right. And that's huge because there's not a whole like with the original gossip girl, Eric was kind of all we got in that regard. And I think that was because of the limitations of the time. And so to see so much happening, like with a keynote and just him sort of going through this self discovery and being confused.
Julia: I love seeing that because there's so much. For lack of a better word. There's so much like trauma porn, when it comes around like marginalized groups where it's like this horrific, like coming out story, and then they get thrown outta the house. And now they're homeless. Like we've had those stories, it's time to show positive stuff.
Julia: It's time to show like the, your life doesn't end, just because you're not hetero kind of stuff. And I think that they are addressing that and handling it. I mean, I'm a straight woman, so I'm just from the outside. I'm not in the community. No, I think, but from the outside
David: it looks like job. I do. And I, I, I think they're doing a good job.
David: It's just, I don't know. I think it has potential, but like mm-hmm well, I mean, like you look at like Melrose's place in the beginning. It was horrible that first week and they figured it out. Yeah. But this, and they said we have to change the whole show. I mean, we have no Heather Lockley here nor Aaron spelling.
David: Right. Nor Darren star, but Josh Schwartz, like, come on, figure it out. Like, I feel like. I feel like they have the basic bones mm-hmm and they need to just say, we have to change this whole show because, and I do think you need to ship some people away to a boarding school.
Julia: Yeah. And they need to focus on something.
Julia: Right. Like pick a lane, cuz I feel like right now they're in seven different lanes and that's really hard watching episode, the mid season finale, episode six, which aired on August 12th. For those of you listening, I felt like it was the strongest episode so far, but I also felt like, okay, there's so many things about the first five episodes that we've sort of dropped off that we like.
Julia: So I need you to focus. Like what is the focus who is gonna be the principals of this show, the teachers or the kids, or like, I always felt that Lily, they did a great job with Lily and the Rufus storyline to. With the original gossip girl that made it feel like it wasn't always a secondary storyline.
Julia: Some it made you feel like they were such a strong part of the, the cast
David: and it was so good. Like you cared.
Julia: Yeah. And so with this one, I'm like, okay, I don't understand like Luke Kirby. Okay. So you're super famous music guy. Got it. You're dating. You're lying to your daughter about dating. Got it. Like I, I understood when that part of the episodes happened.
Julia: I related to that my child 16, you know, you kind of his little speech about like, you know, I, I forgot at some point that you were grown and you could probably handle it. I was like, oh, that feels like something a 40 year old parent would say to their teenager. Cuz I would say that to my teenager, but I'm not invested like Kiki, like Kiki what's going on, girl.
Julia: Like people get left all the time. People's businesses get, go bust all the time. So like what is the deeper issue? Are we gonna get more of that? Like there's just so many. Small little things happening that I'm just like, I need you guys to pick like four and
David: focus yeah. And like, is this important? Are we coming back to this ever
Julia: cause Audrey makes comments.
Julia: Yeah, because Audrey makes comments about like her dad and it's, you know, is your dad coming to the parent teacher and I, or, you know, shit like that. And I'm just like, what's going on with her dad who what's happening with Audrey's dad?
David: like, it's all a little, I don't know. So I feel like it has potential, you know, has potential, but I just, and I didn't even think not
Julia: there.
Julia: The, the minion friends, Luna and Mona. I think that first of all, I love Monet. She gives no prize. I mean, I was gonna
David: say like, that's the best, that's like, at least like a nod to the original that's kind of in your face that I like mm-hmm like when I had on, uh, Zana. Yes. Which, oh
Julia: my God, everybody has to stop right now and go listen to that episode because it was so good.
Julia: She's so fabulous.
David: I loved having her on. She said, you know, there's gotta be a JDA character cuz I, you know, I asked her if she'll, you know, she was like, sure, like I'm here, Josh pick the phone and call. But like where is the JDA character? Like I would actually prefer it to. And also these obscure references are going over my head.
David: Now I am like, I didn't realize that that little Satan boy, that devil spawn boy. Oh that's that's Georgina's son. Mm-hmm I didn't realize that I read it somewhere. I was like. When, why? When was that clear? Maybe they mentioned it, but that went over my head. Yeah. So like, I actually wish that there, like, I wish it was more
Julia: like, cause Duroda kind of grounded, not just Blair, but everybody.
Julia: Yeah. She, she really was the wise the wisdom because they're teenagers. So there's a lack of wisdom because you're new to the planet and you're new to life and here's Duroda. Who's got like all knowing eyes because she sees things and she hears things and she's very discreet, but yet, like she is such a guiding hand with all of them, Serena Dan Blair, all of them.
Julia: And we don't have that in this one. So maybe that's why it feels like it's hurting cats.
David: Yeah. So I wish there was just more like, oh my God, that's the Serena of the group. Mm-hmm , that's the, you know, I wish it was more of that actually. Yeah. You know? And listen, I'm glad that, I mean, the sister that came, which to me is the equivalent of Dan.
David: Like, I'm glad she's not gossip girl. So I'm glad it's not like that closely related, but mm-hmm, somewhat, would've been nice. I don't know. It's just me.
Julia: I wonder cuz they made references. They dropped little nuggets about like, oh, some of the original cast is coming back and isn't this exciting. So we got Ellie Yuki, which was ex, which was fun to see, because I think that she was one of those characters throughout the original season.
Julia: That every time she came back after high school, she had a new transformation that was just kind of like, get it girl, like you do,
David: you . Um, I like that, you know?
Julia: Yeah. So bringing her back was fun to see. Um, but now I'm just like, is that the only call back we're getting? Or are you gonna actually cuz in reference Nate archival.
Julia: A couple times, and then they referenced Dan Humphrey a couple of times, but I know that Penn Badgley has made it very clear that he's like, thank you, Dan Humphrey for this opportunity, but never again. So I'm just like, are you
David: wait? Who said that? He said, thank you for Dan, but it will never happen again.
David: Penn Badgley. Yeah. Uh, that I believe he, cause he didn't really like tour now.
Julia: I know. Cause hello. He's so good in you. It's creepy. And I
David: love it. yes.
Julia: But I'm curious if they're gonna try and bring back some of the other folks too, like I know everyone's doing other things, but it would really. Like I said, they ne they referenced me arch bolt a couple times, but also Nate was my favorite and I love chase Crawford.
Julia: So , that could just be me selfishly, wanting to see
David: Nate come back as, I mean, listen, Blake, Lively's not coming. Let's just put, let's put that out there. And Penn is definitely not coming. And I don't know if Layton would come either, to be honest with you, her and Adam Brody are kind of serious when it comes to those things.
David: So, I mean, I don't know chase Crawford is possible. Right. Like, I don't think he's so I think he's, you know, like I've met like a, like a pen and he's pretty serious. Yeah. Maybe at Westwick. Oh, I would love that. Yeah, that might be that's possible. Think about it. Mm-hmm .
Julia: I actually don't know what he's doing right now.
Julia: I know like everyone else that's
David: doing something. Ed might be prime for this. Yeah.
Julia: He's so cute. They were all so cute. Yeah. I think this
David: original watch. Did you watch his show on ABC that lasted for a minute about him being a serial killer? It was great. What? Okay. When I say, well, when I say it lasted for a minute, I I'll Google it.
David: I think it had like, like six episodes. I mean, it could have gotten picked up, but it was canceled. Yeah, it was, it was him. I don't think he was officially jacked the ripper. Oh. But he was such like that and he was a great serial killer.
Julia: Oh my gosh. Interesting. Yeah.
David: Saw his, it's gonna be one of these where I'm like, oh, that's the name of it?
David: Wicked city. It was wicked. Really? It was with Jeremy Sisto from sub atory. What? Yep. Jeremy was one of the cops again, when I say this lasted, I think I'm looking at number of episodes eight. Did they show all eight? Well, that's more than I thought they would've. I don't. Oh my gosh. It was with, oh, and it was with Taza, amigo who's Vera's sister Vega's sister pays a Gabriel Luna in this.
David: Yeah, no. Oh, Evan Ross, Diana. Oh my gosh. It was, you gotta, Erica Christensen. You gotta watch this, but it don't just don't get too into it, cuz it was because it was canceled. It was not bad. It was a good shower. Interesting. And was the police were on the case of this killer and I think they knew ed Westbrook.
David: I think he was like, you know, he pretended that he was normal and like it was right in front of them, but he was a killer and I think it was geared towards women.
Julia: Interesting. I watched the first couple episodes of his show on Netflix, white gold takes place in the eighties and he's like a curtain salesman, but I feel like if I remember correctly a couple years ago now since I've watched it,
David: but I feel like, and it was canceled.
Julia: Um, I think there's, I don't know. I think that there's for sure, a full season. I don't know if there's a second season, but takes place in the eighties in England. So he gets to, you know, speak in his natural dialect, which is real sexy. We like that. Yep. And, um, he is like this blind salesperson, but also he like.
Julia: I don't know, I, it didn't stick. I put it on when I would get ready for bed. So clearly, like it made an impact cuz I don't really remember anything else other than the cars and the costumes and him speaking in his natural voice, which is again, like I said, real sexy, nice. I'm like, I'm here for it. I just watched, um, was it vanity?
Julia: Uh, variety did a thing this or that with Thomas Doherty and I was like, oh yeah, I forgot you have a Scottish accent. That's real cute.
David: Mm he's you forget until they're like, you're like, oh yeah. And
Julia: he's just so beautiful. He like, first of all, I don't know if it's because I'm an old lady now, but all like for.
Julia: We did not grow up with that much sex on TV, which okay. Cuz of the era. Right. But also like these children, they're all grownups, but they're children because they were not born in the same decade as I they're so beautiful that I'm just like, this makes me feel uncomfortable. I need to Google to make sure you're over 18.
David: this gossip girl loves its sex. Yes. We've had three songs and
Julia: all the things, my friend and I actually in the
David: beginning of yeah. Fathers and sons, I mean, I'm, I'm telling you this, this teacher is gonna sleep. I think the fathers slept with the teacher. I think he's.
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Julia: Okay. So friends who are listening the midseason finale episode six. So you have Rafa, who is a teacher. You have max Wolf, who is a student who's Thomas Doherty. Who's beautiful. That
David: jawline. Oh my God. He's gorgeous.
Julia: Anyway, they develop a relationship, but then Thomas Doherty realizes. Oh, he does this, this is his thing.
Julia: Like that's his mindset, like you're the teacher who finds a student and has a relationship with him, which I feel like is pretty typical in Jason saffron, Josh Schwartz, esque shows. And then when max decides like, this is done, we're over because they tried to, uh, for people who are listening, they tried to right.
Julia: Um, catfish him with Max's dad. So that's where that comes in. Right? Because there's like, oh, we're gonna catfish my, um, my dad with Rafa and then not realizing that they created a connection. So then when max is like, I'm done, Rafa's like, cool. I gonna hook. I'm gonna go get your dad.
David: I think you think they lept together?
David: Yeah, because he asked him in that scene, he said, what happened? And he said, you know, I went over. When he said, like, you know, we just had a dream. He just, my teacher. Yeah. And he's like, I figured that out, he blah, blah, blah, and wants to talk about you. And then I realized that wasn't we just had to, I don't, I'm telling you the way the camera panned to him.
David: Mm-hmm like one second. I'm like, no, Nope. I'm like, there's more the father. I think they'll flash back in the scene where he said, no, no, but Rafa can be very convincing. Right. And then Jo was like, oh my God. So I think the father and son through Rafa have now slept together. Yep. I think that's coming well, I think that's coming, but that's where this show goes.
David: Like they show him like, Giving him a blow job in the school. Like this is, this is they wanna push the boundaries with this. They're like, they
Julia: really do. I, I had predicted in, um, a, a recap, I did a few weeks ago that there was gonna be a threesome between max and Audrey and Aquino, like, like that they, they set that up very clearly, I think, from the jump and yeah.
Julia: Was actually expecting it sooner than episode six. So when it happened, when it like the introduction to it happened in episode six, I was like, all right, there it is finally. like, it took you guys
David: long enough. Yeah. I I'm telling you just you'll remember I said this, I swear that he slept with the father.
David: I'm positive of it because they're like, just think it's gonna be like sick on a different level. Yeah. They're they're gonna go there. I'm telling you they're gonna go there,
Julia: you know, in HBO because it's on. So somebody was telling me that they reaing it on the CW after the fact. And after watching episode six, I'm like, how the shit is this gonna make it on network television?
Julia: I cuz some of the scenes like the video that he sent, that, that max sends into gossip girl, if he and Rafa being intimate and then just like just there, I'm just, I just can't figure out how that would.
David: With network. I didn't realize they were gonna show it on the CW after that's such a interesting thing.
David: There's gonna be a lot of editing. That seems, that seems to be the trend because that's what younger did, like younger is now back on TV mm-hmm , which I didn't realize. I think they're back on the place they were before, like right. The paramount TV land or something like that. Yeah. Although I think then it went to like paramount.
David: I didn't realize all that. Yeah. But like interesting. Yeah.
Julia: Did you have any lingering questions after watching episode
David: six? So many I'm I'm I'm confused about any of the references. I don't get any of the references to the original. They all go over my. And there weren't and I'm usually good like
Julia: that.
Julia: Yeah. The original was so good at tying in current culture and people and even throwbacks that made sense that everyone could grasp. Right. Like they, they handled that so well. And then this one I'm like, have there been, again, I'm an old lady, have there been as many celebrity and granted there's only six episodes.
Julia: No, but like, I feel like even in the first six episodes of gossip girl, we had some major celebrity,
David: like when they would say right. Like when they would say things like, you know, Ugh, I was out all night, like, you know, so annoying, like Paris Hilton and like, mm-hmm, not even, I keep going back to Paris, but not even her, like they would do like the Lizzie Grummans or like whatever was of the moment in New York, they worked that in and they.
David: Do the, they do it here more like, I think on a global level mm-hmm I dunno if it was du a Lupa or whatever singer they referenced. Oh yeah, they,
Julia: yeah. Her dad has more Grammys than duo Lipa and somebody else combined. Right? Yeah.
David: And then they were trying to get someone to play or maybe that was like a made up.
David: I don't know. I just, I agree. There's not as many like little nuances that are so New York specific, which I guess if you don't know the New York scene, it goes over your head, but it just makes it more authentic that way.
Julia: And with Blair being obsessed with fashion in the original and the way that they brought in so many people from the fashion industry, it just solidified the new in my mind being in California.
Julia: That makes me think. Oh, yeah, that's totally New York. Right? Because all the people are housed there. All the magazines are housed there. Right. All the HQs are there. So of course, Blair Waldorf's mom is gonna have a party and Rachel Zoe's gonna be there. And the editor in chief of Vogue's gonna be there like, duh, right?
David: Like that's the thing, these people, so, right. Like there are people, so I don't know if it's cause this shot did this shoot mainly during COVID. Yeah, probably.
Julia: I think, I think they started shooting. Cause I think so I was watching again, interview with Tom with, um, Tom Doherty. He was shooting something in Atlanta in a year ago and he said that they, he found out they were gonna.
Julia: Gossip girl. And he was like, oh, I wonder if I could get an audition. And then here he is max Wolf .
David: Oh, wow. Interesting.
Julia: So they did it pretty quick. I think based on that interview, he did with entertainment weekly. That may, that leads me to believe that he, they, they pumped this
David: out pretty quickly. So maybe that's what they, maybe that's why.
David: Cause like, even when Zana was on my show, she was talking about that scene. She loved like she was in it with Cindy Loper. Yes.
Julia: Oh my God. That story was
David: so good. they need to throw in like guest stars. Mm-hmm right. Like did New York, so they're filming sex in the city now. Like, I don't know, just like you need to throw in famous new Yorkers.
David: Yes. To make it like they're really in that inner
Julia: circle and they reference. Um, they made it a reference to HBO girls, cuz she commented Kate Keller commented about how she dropped outta Iowa and Iowa produced some amazing people like Hannah Horvath, which is, you know, Lena Dunham's character from girls.
Julia: And for me considering interesting. Uh, and considering how problematically Dunham has been over the last seven ish years, I thought that was an interesting, I thought that was, I'm gonna say brave move to reference.
David: interesting. I didn't even catch that. Like it was quick. I had just, cause I never got into girls really.
Julia: Yeah. And, and I feel like you're not missing much there, but it, it. I watched the episode a second time and I caught it that I caught it the second time. So they're throwing in quick clips, but again, like if somebody's never watched girls, they're not gonna know if Hannah Horvath is a real person or a fictional reference.
Julia: So they're mixing fictional references with real references and it's blurring that line of like what, what,
David: what they need to just, I don't know. I just don't. I think it has really, it has a lot of potential. Yeah, it does, but I'm not feeling it. Like, I, I, I don't wanna sway you. I don't wanna bring you down.
David: Like, no, no, it's
Julia: totally fine. Like I said earlier, my friend and I are like, this show is garbage, but we're still watching it.
David: yeah. I'm not, not gonna watch it. I just, I would love to love it now. I don't know, as far as where it is now with ratings and if it's like. But I can tell you that first week. So I don't know if everyone watched it the first weekend and they're like, this is garbage I'm done.
David: Right. Or they're like, I will still keep watching it cuz if the ratings are good, I mean, it certainly doesn't
Julia: matter. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I know. So when I was kind of trying to pull some more recent stuff, like what people were saying, I couldn't really find anything recently written, everything was written the week of, or the week after it released.
Julia: So no, one's really talking about it in the same way. I do know that the fan base online is still pretty strong though, because really? Yeah. Gossip. So for people listening, gossip, bro is on Instagram obviously, but then all of the characters themselves on the show are also on Instagram. And so. Of course I followed the gossip pro Instagram.
David: Yeah. Like that's so that's like the original and
Julia: so well they've revamped it to be, uh, the new one. So they reshare, but they don't reshare a lot, but on Twitter, people are talking about it pretty heavy, especially when they dropped the Duma reference. Oh my God. TWI the Twitter verse
David: lost its shit. Why?
David: They just love
Julia: that. Yeah, because they were like, oh, because you know, everyone's talking about how Doah is the new gossip girl. And so Zoya makes a comment about somebody sending her dub smashes to Doah. And so Domo's response the next day or later that day was like, I would never do that to Zoya, but then everybody's commenting like, or making their original tweets saying things like hearing Duma on gossip girls, like so meta and like just shit like that.
Julia: And I was just like, I mean, yeah, it's great. But also . Come on Casa curl. That's what gets people talking is that you had to like, and I didn't even catch the reference to begin with. I had to watch the episode a second time looking
David: for that reference. I caught, I don't know. I just don't know. I mean, you need to ship a bunch of people away.
David: Like it's not even like, I don't know. You have to get rid of a lot of people
Julia: does this show, and I'm gonna think that your answers no, to this carry the same guilty pleasure vibe. The first one did, because in your interview with Susanna, she talks about how even like those Broy type dudes would come up to her and be like, I love the show.
Julia: It totally helps me talk to girls and blah, blah, blah, which like speaks to its universality of the original, right? Like so many of us watched it, it didn't have a demographic breakdown because we were all watching it, but this like, but. Does the new one have the same ability.
David: I mean, other than this online community, are people talking about it?
David: I mean, is this a thing? Cause I don't feel it. And I know a friend or two who watches it, who they don't like it either. Yeah. Cause I'm like, maybe it's me. I mean, I have to say with all this though, maybe Josh Schwarz to just call it and revamp the OC. Maybe we need a little OC. I'm just putting it. Listen.
David: I would love have sex in the city is back. Yeah. We tried Melrose. I have 9 0 2 and oh, people coming up on my show, two of them in particular and both of them were like, look, I mean, I asked questions. Like they were very vague and they're like, you know, They implied, like there might be something Vegas, good.
David: Vegas encouraging Vegas is helpful. I'm is it like, what is it? I don't really care what it is, but they implied, like, there might be another incarnation of Naomi, some respect, whether it's a one off movie. Yeah. But anyway, I, I was like, whatever it is, I'll take it. Yeah. I don't know. I think, can we just, I mean, listen, the OC podcast with Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clark is very popular.
David: Yes. I don't listen to it. Yes. But it does very well. So clearly people want it. We need it. Look, Melinda Clark would be on board mm-hmm I don't know. Rachel Besson's possibly would. She was, she watch all her. I mean, I watched everything, heart of Dixie
Julia: law. I didn't watch heart of Dixie,
David: but I was, was phenomenal.
David: And then she had that ABC show, which last was there where she was a private eye. Oh, right, right. Also listen, Rachel Bilson to me is I would watch her in anything. I think she's so good. Heart and Dixie was literally her character. Dixie Hart was as good as summer Roberts. Oh, I love that as amazing, like phenomenal.
David: I think she Carrie the show, but it was great. Had she, that king in it, it good show.
Julia: And I love that they had Rachel Bilson in the final episode of the original class. Probably thought that was a good little homage to their OC life. I think so.
David: So I don't know. I just think like maybe we could talk to someone about bringing the OC back mean, I love that Adam Brody is not doing it.
David: And, um, what's his face. Ben Mackenzie has made it very clear, like Dan Humphreys that he's, you know, not coming back, not doing it, but I think maybe you could center it around Rachel Beson summer. That's what I was thinking. Didn't work out and Melinda Clark would do it and. Kelly, what what's her face? Not Kelly, whatever the mother's name was.
David: I forgot. Yeah, I forget she would do it. I don't know about Peter Gallagher, but you know, maybe, and I
Julia: feel like maybe that was a missed opportunity to do something similar with gossip girl, because I'm so curious. Did I know that. Dan Humphrey and Blake lively will never come back to the show. But I'm curious about like
David: in little Jay won't, she's in little Jay won reckless and she's basically like, I have no interest.
David: Yeah.
Julia: Right. But some other secondary
David: character Kelly Ruthford is an actress who is great. And I think Kelly Rutherford wants
Julia: work. And I think that would be a really good second edition of gossip girl, because all of her storylines on the original were so interesting that I just it's so good. I felt like there wasn't enough.
Julia: Like we needed more Lilly
David: give me more Lilly. Yes. I mean, and I forgot who played Rufus, but I'm sure he's available for something
Julia: like, and he is probably still handsome cuz he was very handsome back then.
David: right. And Vanessa. Oh yeah. Although, I think she, she just got, she just did something. I think she was in something kind of major recently.
David: Oh, okay. Some, I don't know if it did well, she had some new show that just came out. I forgot what it was and where it was, but she did. I remember reading it like, oh, good for her. Yeah. I don't know. But like what else could they bring back and revamp? I mean, sex in the city coming back. I think anything's possible at point,
Julia: right.
Julia: Without cam control. But you know, I, I understand where she's coming from and
David: you do you both. I have, I have someone associated with the first sex in the city that I just recorded. That will be on my show, which just somebody kind of major. That's all I'm gonna say. Listen, I just think you gotta think of everyone.
David: You gotta think there's a lot of, not, not necessarily. There's a lot of people, it's someone good.
Julia: There's a lot of people on that show. Would be totally worth listening to on a podcast episode, this is really exciting. You're making my life more difficult because I literally am like, okay, bookmark this one to listen to on Saturday
David: when I clean that house, somehow that and 9 0 2 and I have been on my radar lately.
David: I love it. I freaking, but I don't know. I, I really hope this show turns itself around.
Julia: Yeah. And they're dropping new, they're coming back in November. So hopefully the next six seasons will
David: or seasons. That's what it is. It's a six more mm-hmm ,
Julia: that's my understanding from the internet reading I did because they announced it.
Julia: HBO, max announced it on Thursday, it's coming back the final six episode. So I'm like, okay. I hope that's not a misquote. Cause Newsweek had said, you know, they haven't announced specifically, but they're cut, but they will release six in November, but then hours later, um, somebody else I forget now who it was, was like, oh no, they're releasing on in November.
Julia: So information's kind of spotty. I
David: think they're just gonna have a short robe. Yeah. Like of like, it either needs to come back with a bang mm-hmm or it's gonna
Julia: fizzle. I think so, too, especially now with the way television operates and what we're willing to consume, like, no, one's gonna waste their time on a show that they don't have time for.
Julia: Like, we have infinite possibilities anymore and streaming has taught us that we can get through stuff quickly. And so if you're not gonna keep and dropping it linear in the linear sense, the way that they're doing with it, like, if we're not gonna not sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not excited. Like I'm not patiently waiting for Thursday for the next episode.
Julia: Like I was, you know, 20 years ago with TV, like, it
David: would've had to make much more of a bang mm-hmm like for everyone to watch it in November. Yeah.
Julia: And that feels like you're gonna, people are gonna forget, right? Like who's gonna pay attention in November for the show.
David: And it's like, no matter how big the launch was this time, I don't know.
David: It's different. Right. It's just, I, I really think people, even if you won't give up on it, like you and I will watch it. Yep. But especially are people gonna come back and flop to it the way that like. I
Julia: don't know, they expected, I, after the first episode and I saw that Luke Kirby is in it, I was like, I told my friend, I was like, I will stick with this show if they give me Luke Kirby, every episode, because I kind of got a little SL word crush there and I would love to see, because I love him in marvelousness as ma as Lenny Bruce.
Julia: And so I'm like, I need him in real clothes, like modern. And then he does that in gossip girl. And I'm just like, oh, he's just so there's something about him. I'm just like, you're so sexy.
David: even like, can't you bring back Georgina Chapman. Oh my gosh. Georgina Georgina sparks. Sparks. Yeah.
Julia: That would be a really fun spin off to watch, especially now that we've seen her child, the
David: child is one of the most, I just, I don't know where I was that I missed that it was him, but like he was, he was captivating to watch like.
David: Of course he's like some Demonn C that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant. So it was perfect. More things like that. Mm-hmm I think, need to happen. And I guess
Julia: that's why I felt like it started to get into the Stripe of gossip, bro, because they pulled in Mylo sparks and he was very devious and knew how to do like the dirt digging the way that Georgina did.
Julia: And it was just like, yes, that feels right. And then it doesn't really stick for.
David: Right. And like where did that go? Yeah. And now for nothing, bringing Duroda will take it. She'll like you can't be looking for like a new housekeeper.
Julia: Right. Let's be honest. She was an amazing part of the original. She's such, she was such a grounding force for the original.
David: I think if like you're thinking of all these stunts, like pull them out now. Yeah. Cause that's what we want. Yeah. Really?
Julia: Let's just go there. Absolutely. I'm just, am I being very negative? No, I love it. Show. I love it. I'm so here for it, because I had all these like moments of like, I really wanna love this show and things that are keeping me.
Julia: You've got a mixed race lead. Thank you. Because that doesn't happen a lot. And then also, oh, Luke Kirby. Oh, I'm so happy about Luke Kirby. And then it's just kinda like,
David: I just feel I'm gonna have to do, I love numbers and I just need to know like what the numbers have done. Yeah. Yeah. Over the past weeks, listen, I was more positive about the Hills new beginnings, which no nobody's watching, nobody's watching it, but I loved it.
David: I still loved, yeah. It all added. I mean, Carolyn who I interviewed, she didn't really do it for me. She didn't really jive with a group. but I still was the, and like, I didn't realize, like we were gonna have like hardly any Whitney, like Whitney's. Yeah.
Julia: I was a little bummed about that because I loved her in the original run.
Julia: I thought that she was such a great presence and so cheerful and,
David: but Kristen cavalier is a fucking superstar. I know comes back and steals like ever, you just you're like, this is why you're a superstar. Yeah. This is why like very cavalry, which wasn't even like brilliantly good, right. Was like, so highly rated.
David: I'm like you just, and I told you I've met her so many times. She is literally shockingly being nicest person. I love that. She's really nice. Yeah. So I am not so hopeful that the Hills will be back for a third incarnation, but I am here for it. If it comes back 100. Yeah. I thought it was. I mean, what was there not to like about it?
David: I know, I know. Oh, all the OGs, that's what you need. You need all the OGs with a couple of new characters. That's the way to do it.
Julia: Yes, totally. Totally. David, thank you so much for coming. We'll have to think of
David: something else for me to come back with. I don't even know what else is, is coming back or what show we can be excited by.
David: I don't know
Julia: either. That's really
David: hard. You're gonna have to be like, do you watch this? And I mean, I, yeah, I can't think of. I know any show. That's really I'll think of one. Okay. You don't watch like survivor mm-hmm that's that's rumored to be coming back, like, cause well it's coming back, but it's like, it's been awful for so many seasons.
David: Yeah. And it's like, apparently they figured it out and the season's gonna be like back to basics. Okay. I don't know. Listen, I used to be so excited by so many shows and I don't know. That's why I'm like, maybe I'm busy, but like I want a show like Emily in Paris where I just watch it and I'm like, I love this.
David: Yeah. And I get it. Yeah.
Julia: Yes. That'ss the great thing about TV and it, you know, that's what I think the fall drops were so wonderful from like 1988 through like nine, you know, two 12, there needs
David: to be an amazing fall drop. There needs to be. Do you watch grace and Frankie?
Julia: Yes, but I haven't
David: started the four after the four.
David: They only, I didn't realize they only dropped four, so it's four and then all the rest. And I'm kind of like.
Julia: I'm kind of feeling like maybe I should wait until they're all drunk, cuz I hate cuz I'll forget. And
David: then, you know, you could, I, I had a moment yesterday and I watched all four of them, but you could easily wait, but you're getting more episodes this time.
David: So it's 16 total. So that's why you're doing it like this. Okay. But of course they leave off on like a pot,
Julia: you know, a clip. See, and that's the part where I'm just like, oh I can't handle, I. I don't, but we used to live that way when TV was linear and there was no streaming, the mid-season, you know, finale was always the jaw dropping moment where you're just like, I have to wait two months until like mid-January or potentially February for this to come back.
Julia: No,
David: thank you. The show is like Jane Fonda is everything. Oh, she's
Julia: amazing. I feel like I should do a Jane Fonda appreciation episode because she's done such amazing work and not just actress wise, but like everything, like on prime, one of her videos is free. One of her workout videos from like 1990, whatever.
Julia: And I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna do that workout video. Let's do this. Jane Fonda.
David: it's like, she's amazing. So maybe when that comes back, we could do that show. Oh, I would love that. You know, Dolly Parton is coming for the final season. It's like, I just feel
Julia: like we don't deserve Dolly Parton ever. And that just makes
David: me so happy honey.
David: We are, and please just make one reference to nine to five. Just work it in there somehow. Oh please. It's your final season. Just, just do it for it. Mm-hmm but that's why they said to Dolly, like it's now, or she wanted to do it other seasons, just the schedules didn't work out. Right. But they were like, you have 16 episodes to choose from and we gotta figure this out.
David: Cuz it's over. They were, she was like, okay, but it's it's out there. It's not like it's unknown fact, if you Google it, like Dolly partner has films.
Julia: That makes me so
David: happy. So just maybe we'll do that when it comes back. Yeah. I would love that, but I'm oh my, keep it eye on the fall to see what's lurking coming.
David: Yeah, I appreciate it. There's gotta be something. Yeah, totally.
Julia: Please tell everybody where they can find you if they wanna keep up with you.
David: At least listen to the Zana episode. If you listen to this, it really was. Great. You know, I'm always like I've listened to it twice really. Cause you're always just like, is this person gonna really be, you know, look, you have a whole career before this and after this and like, look, she gets it.
David: And she was just great. We, we went there, she talks about why her scenes with like, um, with Layton were so great and her favorite, she said she would agree with her. She said, chase was her favorite on the set to hang with. Like she really went there and talked about like it all. And she told that Ryan Reynolds story, which got a lot of
Julia: press, it was such a great story.
David: Cindy Loper. So like, I don't know, everyone's listening to that, but it's literally every five day a week interview podcast behind the velvet rope and on Instagram at behind velvet rope, there is Noah Instagram. Doesn't like that long title. So at behind velvet rope or behind the velvet rope, listen, check it out.
David: Tell me which interviews you like the best. And I'm serious. I have 9 0 2 and oh, coming up and a little sex in the city, but two people from 9 0 2 and oh, so,
Julia: oh, I need them now. Give them to me now. I, you
David: know, I asked the typical questions, like, yeah, we gotta ask everything, but really I just wanna know about Shannon.
David: I need you now, like sorry to go there, but how bad was
Julia: she people you kind of have to expect that people are gonna ask that question at this point, you know, I'm
David: obsessed with Shannon Dory and she's like, amazing. So. All right. Anytime you want me, I'll
Julia: come back. Thank you so much for being here and as always listeners, you can follow us on Instagram at pop culture.
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