Parenthood | 14
Show Notes:
Parenthood the TV show debuted on March 2, 2010, on NBC and introduced America to the Bavermans. A reimagining of the Ron Howard 1989 film of the same name, this show follows Camillie and Zeek and their four adult children Adam, Sarah, Julia, and Crosby. Each child has their own life but the anchors are mom and dad.
In this episode, Julia Washington and Carly Adams examine the wealth that comes from property, a woman's position in a long-marriage, and how this has impacted their views of wealth.
Transcript:
Julia: Hey friends, this is pop culture makes me jealous where we talk about pop culture through the lens or race or gender, and sometimes both. Carly Adams is back. And today we're talking about Camille from Parenthood.
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Julia: There's a hyphen in between. Become a Member, become Hyphen a Hyphen Member. See you there. Parenthood the TV show. Debuted March 2nd, 2010 on N B C and introduced America to the Braverman's. A re-imagining of the Ron Howard 1989 film of the same name. This show follows Camille and Zeke and their four adult children, Adam, Sarah, Julia, and Crosby.
Julia: Each child has their own life, but the anchors are mom and dad. But before we dive in, let's remade our guest. Carly Adams is here. Again, if this is your first time tuning in with us, let me tell you about Carly. She's a home organizer based in Sacramento, California and owner of Tidy Revival. She has been featured on previous episodes like Moxie 10 Things I Hate About You, and she's all that.
Julia: She's also a pop culture, makes me jealous, Patreon member, and she's my friend in her life. So obviously I'm always excited when she's here and that she's back again. Welcome to the show, Carly.
Carly: Thank you Jules. I am absolutely thrilled to be here, um, per you. This is one of my favorite places to hang out, so thank you so much.
Julia: Oh, I love that. Sometimes I feel. What are some excuses, I mean, topics that I can send to Carly so we can have more recorded friend dates. .
Carly: Fun. Same . Same. Same, same.
Julia: That's super fun. I love it.
Carly: No, I love it. I am like very, very happy that you are doing this. I love your show. I'm a genuinely huge fan. Love being on it.
Carly: Love telling people about it. Love, love everything about it. Yes.
Julia: People, friends at home. I did pay Carly to say that. . No I didn't .
Carly: No, but seriously join Patreon cuz there's even more fun and you're missing out .
Julia: It's, that's also true. So since you've been on the season before already and our kickoff question is, you know, about like what you think, what you were grew up thinking about money or what you thought of wealthy women.
Julia: Um, I think the last time you were here, you focused more on the messages of money when you were a kid. Mm-hmm. . So let's, so. , do you have, like, do you remember what you thought of like wealthy women when you were a
Carly: kid? That is an excellent question. Um, yeah, I think I just, I feel like I didn't really put things together.
Carly: Mm-hmm. , you know, or like, and I know I mentioned this last time too, I know that some people had more money than other people. Mm-hmm. and I put it together at some point that like, I didn't necessarily have, we didn't have as much as my parents would have liked, um, when I was younger. Mm-hmm. . Um, but there wasn't.
Carly: It wasn't like a shame. There wasn't like a shame around it. Mm-hmm. , you know what I mean? It wasn't like, it wasn't poor, poor, I'm a parent. The haves and the havenots. Mm-hmm. . It was, it didn't, I never remember a feeling like that. That's good. Um, do you, do you remember
Julia: like what symbols you took from pop culture as being signs of wealth, if any?
Julia: This is ,
Carly: this isn't really pop culture, but I remember being with a friend, . Um, I remember being a friend, we were with a friend. We were like at Taco Bell with their parents. And parents were like, okay, get what you, however you want. Oh. And actually I think I might have said like, okay, so how, like what's, what's my spend limit?
Carly: And they were like, what are you talking about? And I was like, what are you talking about ? They're like, just get whatever you want. I'm like, whatever. On the whole menu.
Julia: Yeah.
Julia: You mean? I don't have to limit to the dollar menu? I, it was
Carly: like, I could do simple math when I was a kid because I was like, all right, what am, what do I five bucks? All right, I got it like this. And then, you know, you're just, you're figuring it out. But they were like, yeah, I get what you, you want. And I just thought that like my head exploded.
Carly: I was like, I don't even, I don't even know what to take from this conversation anymore. Guys. Like, ,
Julia: like what does that even, I mean, I know what it means now as an adult, but as a kid you're probably like, what does that even mean? Because we were similar, like mm-hmm. , we were only one kid was allowed to have the clothing allowance a month.
Julia: My mother had to close three children, which meant I never got anything new unless my auntie bought it for me or my grandma. Yeah, because how do you clothe like 50 bucks a month for. Even in the eighties, I feel like wasn't enough to clothe one kid.
Carly: No. When we had four kids and I was the oldest, people were like, oh, see you got the no clothes.
Carly: Now I got the neighbors hand me downs, like from church. Yeah. And I was stoked. Was stoked. Yeah. I was never, you know, feeling like, well, can't I have the
Julia: blah, blah,
Carly: blah. I was just, I was so stoked for whatever I had. Um, my parents were really good about teaching us about gratitude from an early age, and so Oh, that's nice.
Carly: Yeah. And it wasn't, it felt, I mean, looking back, it really doesn't feel like, it just feels like it was a nice lesson that I'm mm-hmm. happy that I learned. Yeah. There's not any like, you know, weird negativity around it. You know, it's not like be grateful. It's just like it's, it was just, yeah, we're thankful for what we have and, and I felt, I felt pretty like happy go-lucky when I was a kid.
Carly: It just, it wasn't until, you know, you reached like, . I think like eighth grade was a turning point for me. Eighth grade I decided that I wanted to be popular and oh, like I was on a mission, oh, if anybody remembers me, like if anyone listens to this and they remember me from like seventh grade to like ninth grade, if they like remembered me in eighth grade, I think they, they might be like tracks.
Carly: Um, I think my sisters definitely would, cuz I was like, I was, I was in it. I was like, what is, what are the cool things to say? What are the cool things to wear? Who are the cool things people to hang out with? Yeah. I want it. And then, and then you
Julia: and then you joined Band .
Carly: Yeah, because I wa wanted to be cool kid.
Julia: I'm sorry, but listen, if thought joining band would make you a cool kid, listen, I'm gonna tell please. Was friends at home know I'm saying that from the lens of 1999. Okay, go ahead. You're gonna tell me what I'm gonna tell
Carly: you. Probably when I peaked in eighth grade and. , it was this moment and this stemmed from band.
Carly: So I'm gonna argue that I was cool. Okay. Because this was the coolest thing I've ever done in my entire life. Maybe I'm ready. I'm ready. Um, when I was in eighth grade, and we didn't go to the same middle schools guys, but Julie and I met in high school, so yeah. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. Um, when I was in eighth, eighth grade, I sang, no doubt, spiderwebs.
Carly: Oh. Front of the entire school at an assembly that they made us go to, to watch a band made of teachers play
Carly: But, um, this kid in band was like, I have an idea. We should plant Carly in the audience. I wasn't even supposed to be at school. I was off track. Cuz we had year round school I was off track. Yeah. I was sitting in the audience and they're like, now we're gonna need to, we're gonna sing a song and we need a, a volunteer.
Carly: And I like raised my hand and they picked me cuz I'm planted. Mm-hmm. . And then it came up and sang it and it felt pretty good. So, I would argue band does make you cool as hell, .
Julia: I would like to know what the audience members thought of that performance from all those years ago.
Carly: Um, I will track down two people that I know for sure remember it.
Carly: Okay. And I'm going, I'm like gonna do that after this. And I'll say, yeah,
Julia: have 'em submit a quote.
Carly: I will. And please make sure to put it in
Julia: the notes. Obviously put that into the marketing strategy for this episode. Please see that You do.
Julia: I'm so excited. Woo. All
Carly: right. Well, now that we've sorted that out.
Julia: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think I asked you this last time as a child, did you have any women in your life that were wealthy, but you didn't quite unders. Or like didn't quite understand it a hundred percent. Did I ask you this question already?
Carly: Mm-hmm. . Oh, okay. So go ahead. No, go ahead. And I love it. Um, so we definitely had at least a couple family members like on, you know, one on each side that I know for sure, or like self-made millionaires. Oh wow. Yeah. And I did not, and I, when I say self-made, it's cuz you know, I know the rest of the family like this is not, this was not handed
Julia: down right?
Julia: Like, there wasn't like live in this house for free that we gave you for free kind of situation. So you don't have to worry about paying a mortgage so you can make yourself made like, cuz there's varying degrees of how people can like access wealth to uplift family members. But self-made I think is like scrappy.
Carly: Oh yeah. I mean like one of my family members.
Carly: Like, I knew he was like shining shoes when he was a kid. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And he was working from a young age. Yeah. Self-made. Um, and I didn't really realize it until, oh gosh, probably college. They're like, put that together. I'm like, oh, okay. Okay, okay. All right. I get it. Mm-hmm. , I get it.
Carly: Mm-hmm. . Um, and I think a lot of it was like real estate investing, which leads back to this episode.
Julia: Yeah. And they, that's how, that's what everyone tells you to do to get a come up. It's crazy, but it's really hard to get into it. Oh
Carly: yeah, man, I packed launch for like five years , so Yeah.
Julia: So short answer.
Julia: Yeah. You did. Yeah. And you didn't quite get it until you were an adult. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. I can appreciate that. Because like when I asked the question about status of wealth symbols, you know, the obvious ones, nice cars. I didn't even,
Carly: I
Julia: didn't understand that. Well, good neighborhoods. Uhhuh. . Um, I used quote, I used Good Neighborhood.
Julia: I put air quotes around good neighborhoods for friends listening at home. Yeah. Um, always having like, Nikes like, you know, it was like mm-hmm. . Oh, these are just the newest Nikes. Like what? You don't have the newest Nikes kind of attitude. Oh
Carly: yeah. Or like that kinda stuff versus me wearing my friends hand me down Filas in eighth grade that were half size too small.
Carly: Mm-hmm. and I was like, I'll make it work. Yeah. I
Julia: mean, we were week winters of Payless Shoe Source made rest in peace. Um, and I think now as an adult, there's certain things where I understand now what it means to be carport, house poor. Mm-hmm. , um, and also investing in like quality. Clothing is actually more cost effective than buying the cheap shit.
Julia: But it's harder to invest in the quality clothing cuz it means more money right now.
Carly: Well, yeah. And especially when kids are like, kids grow so quick, man. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Um, yeah, I think when I was, um, I know I mentioned this in the last episode, but like, you know, my parents and I al I also, you know, do the math of how old they were when I was like growing up and stuff.
Carly: Um, but yeah, we definitely were, were, um, doing better financially. We were, we had reached a, a different economic status when I was in middle school, but I couldn't just like have whatever I wanted. Mm-hmm. . So when I was in eighth grade, I like begged my parents for an Adidas, you know, those Adidas, uh, puffy jackets,
Julia: Uhhuh,
Julia: Those were all the fucking rage girl.
Carly: And I think I had to like, with the shelter, I think there might have been a re uh, re removable like hood. Mm-hmm. , it was very puffy and I had a navy and white one and I got in. It was amazing. Mm-hmm. , I loved it so
Julia: much. I
Carly: loved it. Um, and I also begged them for a Jordan jersey, which if anyone knows me, like I do not watch basketball.
Carly: I never have. I probably never will. And it's not that I don't, you know, respect the game, I just don't really have an interest. But, Jordan was like everything back then. I was like, please. And they were like, what are you talking about? No. And I was like, but it's so cool. And I was, they're like, you need no, like, that's very dumb.
Carly: It's
Julia: like $120 back in 1998. So, or our
Carly: daughter who's literally never, ever, ever put on a basketball game. Like, yeah, absolutely not.
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Julia: Camille and Zeke Braverman live in Berkeley, California. Their home is in the hills, is and is on a large property. We know they raised their four children in this home. The according to Redfin at the time of this recording, the average median house price is 1.6 million in Berkeley, California, the average home in the 1960s.
Julia: This is a global, this is a national statistic. This is an isolated to Berkeley. . But the average home in the 1960s was about $12,000. And according to this C, according to C N B C, adjusted for inflation in 2018, that's roughly $98,000. Wow. So that's wild. Housing's clearly outta control. Mm-hmm. , for those not familiar with California, it clearly gets pricey here, and it's been pricey for quite some time, more than the average costs in other states.
Julia: But owning property can help leverage and change your wealth status. The braverman's themselves vary in socioeconomic status. So let's dive into the matriarch. Camille is a painter. She's an artist. She's calm and patient. Even with adult children, she still manages to maintain the same level of expectations as when her kids were little.
Julia: The fully stocked fridge baking treats. The house is ready to receive guests almost at any time. So when you first watched this show, what did you think of Camille? Um,
Carly: I love this show so much. I was a loyal, loyal watcher. Um, and I've watched the whole thing again too. Mm-hmm. , but I didn't rewatch for this because parent has burned in my mind
Julia: in Well, and it's so many seasons.
Julia: Like, who's got time to watch the entire series? It's a lot before and like an hour and a half recording
Carly: plus so many tears, you know? Mm-hmm. , like so many tears. Mm-hmm. . Um, so I love Camille because straight off the bat, they place her as a complicated and complex character, which I absolutely loved because it just kind of set the tone for the whole show.
Carly: Yeah. Like, you're not like, You know, from day one, it's not Camille's Perfect. Oh wait, she's not perfect. It's just like Camille is, she's a complicated woman. She's got her own backstory. Her and Zeke are kind of on the rocks. That was a big thing. Mm-hmm. in season one and they just didn't have the most communicative of marriages and there were some infidelity and they just really got into it.
Carly: Um, and I also established that there were a lot of things that she gave up to be a mom. Mm-hmm. , that she wanted to make sure that she took the time to focus on herself because she was in her third act. But yeah, I love that she's warm and she's nurturing, but super complex.
Julia: Mm-hmm. . And it's interesting too, because to be in that position, you know your comment about how she gave up a lot to be the mom that she was, and that's so that generation, right?
Julia: Mm-hmm. , like we can assume that they probably bought their homes, their home sometime in the sixties or the seventies. Mm-hmm. because of the age of the children of their adult children. So they're already at some sort of advantage because they're at the right place at the right time. Um, and I always kind of felt for her because she clearly wanted to flourish in some sort of artistic career, and it had to remain a hobby.
Carly: Yeah. Had to remain a hobby. Mm-hmm. . And you definitely got the distinct impression, especially in the beginning, that Zeke didn't truly understand what that meant to her. Mm-hmm. and that she'd kind of been harboring some resentment about that too. Yeah. It kind of comes to a head, but yeah, it was very much like, I've put a lot on the back burner and now I need to take care of me and you.
Carly: Everyone needs to like get on board or get outta my way.
Julia: Yeah. And I love that because I think that's kind of the first time we see it in television where it's done in a way that feels like what I was seeing play out in real
Carly: life. Yes, yes. Specifically with parents who ended up getting married young.
Carly: Mm-hmm. having kids quickly. Mm-hmm. and probably. at some point or another deciding to stay together because of the kids. Mm-hmm. . And, you know, things were very rocky in the beginning, uh, in the first season of parenthood. And you did really get, you know, you got nervous for the whole family. Like, were they not gonna make it?
Carly: Was this it? And you could tell that she just had been bottling up a lot mm-hmm. and was just at her, she was like almost at the breaking point of the marriage. And a lot of it had to do with Yeah. Her artistic, the artistic side of herself that didn't get to do all the things that she wanted to take a chance
Julia: on.
Julia: Mm-hmm. . And that ripple effect of divorcing after 35, 40 years is totally different than when you divorce, when your children are super little. Mm-hmm. because when they're little, that just becomes normal. You're not sort of, Feeling like your parents just lived a lie. Because you get to see your parents become independent people of each other.
Julia: And like I said, that becomes normal. But in adulthood, when you think about it with parents sort of split up even later than if you're in your twenties when your parents split up. I mean, like Adam had teenage, has a teenage daughter. So did, so did Sarah. I mean, you know, and Julia's kids were little Crosby, whatever is Crosby.
Julia: Um, but like even at that point, so like you've left the nest and now you're established with your own family and your own family dynamic and supporting your own family in whatever way, and then your anchor completely disintegrates. Like that's, that would be huge too for them. Like that would rock their kids I think a little bit harder because then it's now like, well how do we re learn new at this stage
Carly: that would rock their world?
Carly: And I think too, An ex, like a large extent it did when they kind of realized that things weren't as stable as they had just imagined. Mm-hmm. and assumed that things aren't. And I think too, that's interesting because a lot of times in shows like this, it could be in, it could be the easy way out to have the grandparents is like supporting characters and not really fully flush them out.
Carly: Mm-hmm. . So for them to go super deep and just establish them as the anchors of the family and have it really be a show about the whole family. Yeah. Not just the siblings, um, but like every single person. Mm-hmm. I just thought was really, really interesting and very cool.
Julia: Yeah, I agree. The other thing I was thinking about too, well, because I think about this all the time, cuz you know, like home ownership is a thing that I feel like is out of my reach in this current climate.
Julia: Probably not forever, um, unless I hit it big. Um, you know, but another, another element to them, if they had, had their, if their relationship had ended, and I saw this a lot, so I don't know if you saw this a lot, you know, you divide the assets. You, you basically like agree to sell the home during the divorce and then you split whatever is left.
Julia: And you know, it's like we're told all the time that's so tacky to talk about money and like what people get out of money and da da da and like all these things. But when you think about it, like we talked about, you know, a really good path to make yourself put yourself in a good financial position is by owning property.
Julia: Um, and so had they been divorced and they sold that house, I think they were think, I think they did sell the house by the end of the series. Right? Because didn't they move in with, into the city?
Carly: I think they sold the house at the very end, but I think maybe they were. Oh
Julia: gosh. Because Camille wanted to move into the, like, she wanted to actually live that more fulfilled life and Zeke was content with being like, you know, hidden up in the hills and whatever.
Julia: And that was a point of detention. Mm-hmm. barn garage. Yeah. And she wanted more of a vibrant lifestyle. And I get that because, you know, when you're in the, in San Francisco proper, you have like the opportunity to walk around and there's like neighborhoods, blah, blah, you know? But had they been divorced, so it's like she could totally live off of that money mm-hmm.
Julia: from just half of the sale.
Carly: Yeah. And you'd almost, I mean, especially if you buy it for, let's say, let's say that they bought it for a hundred grand. Mm-hmm. in the seventies. Yeah. and then they're selling it because it's not even just, there's like the little guest house and then the like barn garage.
Carly: Mm-hmm. and then a very large place. And then they have kind of like a lawn situation. Like it's apparent
Julia: the backyard was massive cuz they were always out there having these gorgeous family
Carly: dinners. Oh yeah. With like the, the outdoor just mm-hmm. , just wood furniture outside. Definitely no rain issues, but they've got the barn to like put it in.
Carly: Anyway, I think about that way too much. That's something that I think about all the time. I'm like the rain or the barn, the rain. Yeah. I'm like, so did you move it in like seasonally or And I'm like, ,
Julia: it doesn't rain here. Ca Carly
Carly: it used to, yeah. I guess
Julia: it land more in 2010 than it does now. Oh, r i p rain.
Julia: Oh my
Carly: god. And, um, and in Berkeley too, like, you know, things just warp faster with
Julia: the fog. Yeah. Because there's, and yeah. Say there's moisture in the
Carly: air. Yeah. Um, things just get like wood furniture would just get. Green and like Mosse. It's gross. Yeah, it's gross. Um, so that's why I thought about it all the time.
Carly: Anyway, feel free to cut all of this out. . . If they sold it now, what would that be? Like $4 million. Like
Julia: millions of dollars. Millions of dollars. Like multiple millions of dollars. And we could assume by the time they're retired they don't have a mortgage. Yeah.
Carly: And one of 'em wouldn't be able to buy the other person out.
Julia: Right. Did we ever learn what Zeke did in his working life? Cause I know he was a vet, right? Like he was a vet.
Carly: Yep. He was a vet and he was a trans sponsor.
Julia: Okay. Rachel Green. I don't know what he did. I don't know if they ever talked about it. I don't know. Or
Carly: at least they didn't talk about, they did, like all the time. We
Julia: watch it back. Don't remember. It's like the one thing we can't remember. I, well, I was gonna say, I feel like they didn't talk about it, an effort to stick, because like you knew that Adam worked in footwear.
Julia: You knew that Camille wanted to be an artist. You knew that Sarah was hopping around from job to job, to job to job. You knew that Crosby was worked in the music industry. You knew Julia was an, uh, was a lawyer, like
Carly: Yeah. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And Zeke's like, just retired. Mm-hmm. , they're, that's his story. They're like him.
Carly: Zeke. Oh, he's retired. He's, he's
Julia: retired. Mo,
Carly: he's old school and he's retired. . And he yells at people all the time with the
Julia: yelling. All the time with the yelling. man. Craig t Nelson is a real good yell.
Carly: Oh my gosh. Woo. Between that and Family Stone, I'm like terrified of Craig t Nelson. Did you never watch Coach?
Carly: Um, no, I didn't really watch Coach. Not
Julia: really. He does some yelling in coach too. Mm. I wonder He was typecast.
Carly: What's a good yell? Because you know what?
Julia: I just watched Troop Beverly Hills for another episode and he's kind of a ballbuster in that one too.
Carly: Yeah, I can see that. I can see them type casting him for his yell and height,
Julia: his presence.
Julia: He's got like a very much like a, it's
Carly: a commanding, that's the word. Yeah. He's got big boomer
Julia: energy. Yes. Oh my God. He's so does, but we love him anyway. Love him so much. So much. We love him so much.
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Julia: What do you think about Camille's evolution over the series?
Carly: I love how much she finds her voice. Mm. She, I feel like she found a new chapter in her relationship. Mm-hmm. one that she was going to be happy with, um, instead of. Like kind of putting up with things for the sake of everyone else. And I really, really love that because I think that we need to see more of that specifically from the generation right before
Julia: us.
Julia: Yeah, I agree. I think sometimes a lot, especially in this current era, we do forget Boomer women still had to fight and struggle and still, so a lot of them struggle still conformed to what was the expectation. Even though there were women in the streets, even though there was Gloria Steinem, even though there was Angela Davis, there still was the overwhelming, you will stay home, you will be the one whose career is affected.
Julia: You'll be the one raising the children. You'll be holding everything down. Your husband will go and go to work and you will still make sure dinner's ready when he gets home. Like that message was still very heavy for boomers and.
Carly: Logistically it was really, I can only imagine how difficult it might have been to imagine anything else, given that we weren't allowed to like have bank accounts by ourself.
Carly: Mm-hmm. or credit cards
Julia: or own property. She couldn't have bought this house without a man.
Carly: So it's really like a survival thing. Mm-hmm. not so much, you know, options not so much with the options.
Julia: And going out on your own, striking out on your own is really hard and scary. And when you don't have support, it makes it even harder.
Julia: Like, when I think about the way that Gloria Stein still gets treated to this day, like, yes, now Gen X millennials and Gen Z, praise her. But 50 years ago, you know, there was a very small fraction of people who thought she was actually doing good work. Mm-hmm. , that's hard. Mm-hmm. .
Carly: Yeah. It is.
Julia: It really is.
Julia: They were still asking when your last menstrual cycle was in the seventies on applications for jobs. Uhhuh. , like that was a real thing because they wanted to know, because that's a way to, you know, are you gonna be pregnant? Like, we need to know how fertile you are in case you get pregnant.
Carly: I can't with this. Mm-hmm. , there's so many things that I think are very easy to take, uh, for granted about our age. Mm-hmm. , it's like a very luck of the draw situation. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. I agree. A lot of, I would love to think like, I wouldn't put up with this shit. I'm like with like, if that's just like how life is.
Carly: Yeah.
Julia: Yeah. Oh my god. Yes, I have been in situations where things have happened and people have said, you need to tell hr. HR is not for me. HR isn't here to protect me. They are here to protect a very specific group of people in this organization. And if I go and I report this to hr, I'm the one losing my job.
Julia: I'm the one getting blackballed. I'm the one having the smear campaign against, and I'm the only person with income to feed my child and make sure we have a roof over our head. Yeah. So like those two, like I literally have two shitty choices, . So I make the shitty choice that causes the less damage to my household.
Carly: That's the right
Julia: answer. Mm-hmm. . But a lot of people get very self-righteous about that kind of situation. Not like specifically me, you know, reporting to hr, but when you, they we've, we forget that if both choices are shitty, you are peop Like, just because people have choices doesn't mean they're good choices.
Julia: Doesn't mean the options are good. It
Carly: doesn't mean that those choices are things that you're willing to take a chance on. Mm-hmm. especially. Yeah. Yeah, a hundred percent. Do you
Julia: think that Camille was a positive representation of motherhood or woman? Should I say womanhood? I don't even know what to say in that situation.
Julia: I mean,
Carly: the show's called Parenthood. Yeah. What, what, whichever one you want. It's your show. Do whatever you want. Let's say
Julia: both. Let's start with motherhood first.
Carly: Um, I feel like Camille reminds me of a, a hug personified. Oh, I love that. Um, . She also just vibe wise, reminds me a lot of my
Julia: own mom. I can see that.
Julia: Like Julie, you know, my mom. Yeah. I can totally see that,
Carly: right? Mm-hmm. , it's that, it's just that same type of, it's just the same type of vibe, and that makes me, um, I feel like she just has a presence and, um, I guess for lack of a better word, that I'm thinking of at this moment, um, aura that just feels very comforting.
Carly: Mm-hmm. and like, you can always, um, like you could just always come to her Yeah. And give her a hug. She's, she's here with the mom Hugs, she's here with a listening ear and some sort of comforting, baked good. Um, at any moment. Yeah. And that she's a, a constant and a, and a rock and. . So yeah, I think as far as, um, as far as motherhood, I really can't, like, that's w what more do you want?
Carly: Mm-hmm. , what more do you want than Camille? Brave Furman.
Julia: Come on guys. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that she also is, like you said earlier, because of her complexities, it sort of create, it shatters the illusion that you have to be a perfect mom. You can still be all of these things warm, comforting, a big hug, and still have problems and still have needs and still be frustrated.
Julia: She did not always wear a brave face just to grit her teeth and get through it kind of situation. Like when she has enough, she has enough and she lets you know. So I, I always felt like. . That was really good balance because it's not upholding this idea of perfection. She's got moments that feel perfect, but then she's got moments where she's like, fuck you.
Julia: Yeah.
Carly: Yeah. And everyone needs to get in the line. Mm-hmm. . And I'm about to tell you why. Mm-hmm. , I'm upset right now. And you're about to listen and understand and ps she's right. Just know that and just, just go along with it. Yeah. Cause she is right.
Julia: Did you know that she's, um, the actress playing Camila? Is Bonnie Badilla?
Julia: Badilla. Badilla? Mm-hmm. . She is, um, her maiden name is Colgan. Do you know where I'm going with this? Uh,
Carly: I don't specifically know, but I want to
Julia: So hard. She is McCauley and Kieran Colgan's auntie. Oh. But I don't think they have a relationship. But from what it sounds like in interviews and stuff, it doesn't sound like they have a relationship because it sounds like their dad was a fairly toxic person.
Julia: Um, and so it doesn't sound like, so
Carly: it's, there's their dad's sister. Their dad's sister, mm-hmm. .
Julia: So like, it sounds like they have memories from childhood, but it doesn't sound like there's currently a relationship from interviews that I've heard and stuff.
Carly: Yeah. Okay. Um, ironically, two movies we watch every Christmas Home Alone and
Julia: Heard.
Julia: Uh, do you think I heard a Christmas movie or a movie that takes
Carly: notes during Christmas? Not an opinion. fact.
Carly: I mean, I, I honestly, I don't care either way. Like about the, the, I know it's like a thing. I don't, I don't care to like get in the war, but we do watch it. Every Christmas in our household.
Julia: That's cute. Mm-hmm. , you'll have to come down the state theater does. Um, home Alone on the big screen. Ooh. You'll have
Carly: to come down.
Carly: Is it a double feature? Because we, we wanna make it a double feature, like at our
Julia: House move. I think they do die hard on a different
Carly: day. Oh no, sorry. I meant Home Alone. . We have a lot of Christmas movies. We like to watch .
Julia: Well, cuz like we do double features in the sense of like, we'll watch the sand lot and then we immediately watch Rookie of the Year and then Amazing.
Julia: Then I immediately, well it's a triple feature and then I immediately will watch a League of Their Own. Like, I ha you know, so now I'm con like, we're conditioned. Like the boy the other day was like, I watched The Sandlot and then I really, really, really wanted to watch the one where the kid breaks his arm and plays in the Major league.
Julia: It was like, oh yeah. Rookie of the Year. Because you, when you were a child we watched Sandlot and then I immediately put on Rookie of the Year,
Carly: it's like, Three ninjas. Three ninjas, kickback. You can't, and then whatever the third
Julia: one was, that's the second three ninjas reference that came up today. Today.
Julia: Yes. I was talking about it in another recording when I was, was it with Becca? No, when I was recording with the duo from, its my screen time too. I like, I brought it up .
Carly: It's one of my
Julia: favorite movies from childhood. Shut up. How did I not know this about you? It is one of my favorite movies from childhood.
Julia: Okay. I have to have that, you know, I have to have that de like it's from childhood. I'll still turn it off. You
Carly: watched it? Yeah, but it did not
Julia: age well. No, it sure is shit did not age well. But do I still watch it? Uhhuh?
Carly: a hundred percent. Mm-hmm. a hundred percent. I'm always trying to peer pressure. My nieces and nephews be like, do we wanna watch like three ninjas?
Julia: Think we should expose them to. Yes.
Carly: as a child that played three ninjas for like years.
Julia: Wait, which absolutely, which, which one of the ninjas did you ever crush on? I actually
Carly: don't really wanna answer this on the thing cuz it's two .
Julia: You have to tell me offline. I won't share it on the podcast, but I'm dying now to know I'm not Camille Braverman in any way, shape or form.
Julia: My kitchen's too small to bacon. I fucking hate cooking dinner. I used to blame all the dishes in the sink on him because, you know, kids cycle through dishes so much that you're just like, oh my God, use this same cup in one day. Turns out it's you. He doesn't need to be here for me to do, to fill up the sink with dishes.
Julia: Damn. That's rude, right? It's all cups ,
Carly: but cops, cops. But, um, you are like a hug personified.
Julia: That is the nicest thing anyone has said to me. I love you. I love not a lot of people would actually agree with you on that because that is a very, it does take a lot to break through the tough exterior that I have.
Julia: That's
Carly: why I started early. I don't trust people. .
Julia: That's why you started early. You caught me before I was jaded and coldhearted. Yes. Who am I kidding? We all know I'm not coldhearted. I cry at everything. I just put up a very tough exterior to keep the haters out.
Carly: I'll just agree with you . Sure. . It's very tough.
Julia: Omg. How do you think this TV show informed you about your opinions about like subtle or otherwise about wealthy women? Because remember, friends at home, if you've forgotten because we've sidetracked so much, we are discussing the property wealth of Camille and Zeke Braverman, which is a form of wealth that rarely gets discussed, but is always encouraged to be investment property owners.
Carly: Yeah. Um, okay. So having lived in the Bay Area or just having ever been to the Bay Area, I'm like, this show is about wealthy people. Mm-hmm. , like, there's no question about it that cannot be up for debate because if they own that house, which they for sure did, um, the, they're wealthy, they, they're millionaires, um, but they weren't.
Carly: Portrayed as such in the traditional, like it wasn't a show about wealthy people mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . It was a show about wealthy people, but the focus wasn't mm-hmm. That. Mm-hmm. And if anything, it's kind of like, hey, it's, it's every family that lives in a multimillion dollar property in Berkeley and then Hills.
Carly: Yeah. Um, but so I just think that it's, it's really interesting because when we were, um, when you brought it up as a topic, I was just like, yeah, man. Um, I, it's, it's just really interesting because I think we've all known people who have had average jobs mm-hmm. purchase at the right time mm-hmm. , and it ends up being kind of a make or break situation.
Carly: Yeah. Um, I know somebody who, you know, was a first responder. in Marin. Mm-hmm. and has one of the nicest homes I've ever seen in real life. Yeah. And it, it's just like you get in at the right time and it can be the game changer. And I think that that's really, I honestly kind of wish that they'd talked about it more on the show , because,
Julia: yeah.
Julia: Yeah. Because a lot of people tell me now, just hang in there, Julia. The market's gonna turn, things are gonna crash again. I don't know if it'll ever be like, it was in like during the recession of our generation. Yeah, yeah. Where people who did have means were snapping up dirt cheap properties and like incredible areas.
Julia: My neighborhood now didn't, wasn't as badly as EF affected homes were still pretty like in the 400,000. But there were several that did go for like one 50, which the, the smaller version, you know, the smaller homes. But still, like, that's kind of huge when you think about 20, um, 2010 and housing in California.
Julia: Um, yeah. Especially because prior to that, houses down the street from where I lived were going for millions of dollars. Mm-hmm. , and now we're back to that. Like a house just sold down the street from somebody I know for 1.2, which blows. That's wild. My mind because why would you spend that much money to live at Modesto?
Julia: Sorry, Modesto. So for me, well, so to finish my point, people are like, it's gonna change in four years. You're gonna, you'll be able to buy in this neighborhood because, you know, blah, blah. And so, You're okay. Whatever that conversation set it aside. What this show reinforced for me was to be stable was to have, or not even stable, but to add to your subtly what the show reinforced subtly to me was owning a home is some sort of financial security.
Julia: And then when we did Tammy Hack Barth's book club, when she read, when we all read, we Should All Be Millionaires by Rachel Roberts. And Rachel Roberts was like, if you're not considering your home as part of your wealth, you need to be, that was just like the driver home of like, oh, like I literally, because my joke is like, I have no assets come at me.
Julia: I have no assets. Like you can have my $90,000 student loan debt. You're welcome cuz I don't want it anymore . So, so to see like, This comfort that the the Braverman have because when it comes time to, you need additional care, they could sell that home, move into a really nice care facility, still have money left over to leave to their children, yada, yada, yada.
Julia: Mm-hmm. , whereas like that will, that at this present time, the trajectory is, is that will not be true for me. And a lot of people I know
Carly: the housing market is more than just, I want a place to be able to paint the walls whatever color I want. It's so much more than that. And I, yeah, I think that I really do that like that we're talking about this show specifically in the context of real estate, um, cuz a lot of.
Carly: It's just the real estate aspect of characters is just kind of glossed over. But this is a,
Julia: this is a big one. Yeah. The house is 100% a character on the show. Yeah. Here's my dog.
Carly: I know. Hi Joe. Um, but it really, there, there is no way that that didn't propel them into the next, um, level of wealth. And then that sets up, set up their children for the same.
Carly: So even though they took different paths, they, it just seems like they had a lot of, um, opportunities that they might not have been able to consider had they not had that financial anchor in the first place. Yeah. Because they could do things, they could, you know, refinance and pay for college. Yeah. You know?
Carly: Yeah. Like that sort of, that's just not available if that's not a, an investment that you made at that specific time to that degree. Yeah. And who knows, it could have been a larger lot that they sold off at some point. Mm-hmm. , you know, and broke it down. I don't know.
Julia: Yeah, I, you're right. We don't talk enough about what real estate can do to propel people's positions and being, you know, just having access to that.
Julia: Even having access to that. I know there's programs that help with like down payments, but those can be heavily restricted too, on where you can buy and what kind of property and the condition you can buy in and what you
Carly: can resell it for. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. I have friends who, um, got into a really good, um, program that allowed them to own their first home, but one of the stipulations is that they.
Carly: Can only sell it for either what they bought or like a very, very small percentage. Whoa. Um, so it's very interesting cuz that's, that has to be part of their long-term game plan. Yeah. Um, now their mortgage is very low, but they have to be strategic in the long term because as it has continued to gain so much value in the building that they live in, they can't take advantage of it because it's going to go to somebody in that same program when they sell it.
Carly: Right. Right. So there's always gonna be somebody who's, um, you know, at that getting that affordable housing, which is amazing. Right. But that's, that's the return is that they they have to put money away. Yeah. And they can't, they can't just like, um, you know, take advantage of it naturally happening with Sure.
Carly: With the real estate investment. Sure. They have to be very strategic about it. . That's interesting.
Julia: I didn't realize things like that existed. Which also again, re like, goes against the grain of what H G T V tells us, which is who cares if this is out of budget? It's got an apartment in the back, buy it for the price, rent out the apartment.
Julia: You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. like the, the, the perpetuation of real estate being, you know, how you, how you make more money While it's true. That's har it's, go ahead. You have a
Carly: But the thing that I feel is a dangerous, dangerous, slippery slope with that is that if somebody hasn't gone into that real estate investment with a certain buffer mm-hmm.
Carly: that they have financially, they're always one month away from being fucked. Yeah. One month. Because if you are between renters Yeah. And somebody, you know, you don't. You're not getting the traction that you thought you would. Mm-hmm. if something happens and you're like, oh, I need a new roof. I need, and then, and these are two different properties potentially.
Carly: Yeah. You know, it's two water heaters. Yeah. It's four toilets, right? It's two sets of plumbing. It's
Julia: stoves, refrigerators,
Carly: tree washer, dryer could be like our tree and just trying to like eat our plumbing, which is a thing,
Julia: especially from houses from the sixties, you know, anything could happen. It's just all interesting to me.
Julia: And I, I'm with you. Like I've always maintained when people rail against homelessness and what that looks like in our current era, I'm always the one who's like, what makes you think that you're not next? Unless you have,
Carly: do you mean, do you mean like what are we gonna do about all these homeless? Like that sort of, or like, I am tired of looking at like that kind of
Julia: bag that and the high and mighty attitude about how like it could potentially never happen to you.
Julia: new. Like people have that attitude all the time. Mm-hmm. of like, oh, they were wasteful. They didn't do what they were supposed. Like somehow the blame is on the person. Yeah. Yeah. Which, whatever. Again, back to what if I only have two shitty choices, but my argument, which is why people think I'm a socialist, is be a socialist all kind.
Julia: I'm nothing. I mean, that's not true, but it's like one of those things where I'm just like, okay, thanks for making an assumption based on something that I just said because I've lived experience of having lost a job and then not having any money to any savings because I wasn't earning enough to save anything.
Julia: Yeah. And if it hadn't been for my family being close by and the ability for them to be able to pay my rent while I looked for a job because I was only getting like $500 a month in fucking, that's not true. I think it was getting like $1,600 a month in unemployment, then I would've been homeless.
Carly: Yeah.
Carly: And $1,600 is not enough for Not in California and food and gas for two people. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. That's the whole thing. No, totally. There's, it was the
Julia: whole thing. So then here I am saying like, oh, like how are, how far, how, like how far out are you that you don't have to worry about having your house repossessed?
Carly: I've heard cricket statistics. , it's something, and please don't quote me on at home, just know that this is wrong. , but not by a lot. Okay. So just note, please don't quote me and come at me. Um, but I heard it's something, you know, it's like 60% of all Americans have less than a thousand dollars buffer in the bank.
Julia: Oh, I've heard something similar. Like I've heard a Yeah. Like the numbers may not be accurate, but exactly the sentiment is
Carly: Thank you. Thank you. It's a large per, it's a large chunk, I wanna say the majority. And it, and it, the figure is less than a thousand dollars in the bank. Yeah. Which means that most of us are one emergency away.
Carly: Mm-hmm. from either going into debt or being out on the
Julia: street. And sometimes it's not even a fucking emergency. Sometimes it's a scheduled operation that you need to have that suddenly. is a huge bill that comes that you thought your insurance was supposed to pay for. Like that's the thing that really bothers me about this high and mighty attitude about how like people are when it comes to housing.
Julia: Because unless you have a job that pays you millions of dollars a year, the average American can't like survive through it. Like look at how many people lost their homes during the pandemic. Like those numbers are staggering. That is proof positive that we aren't doing what we need to be doing to ensure we have our needs met.
Julia: And by we, I mean capitalism, ,
Carly: society,
Julia: society. I was having a conversation cuz my couch has, you know, the cushion won't zipper up anymore. And, and then when we got the dog, they told us she loves to eat cushion. So then of course I panicked, right? Cause I was like, well I don't wanna, I don't wanna pay for her surgery cuz you ate all this stuffing, right?
Julia: So I tried to, I was looking for new couches and then I went online and I was complaining. I was like, why are couches so expensive? Like, I literally just want a couch. And then someone was like, go on Amazon. And I thought everything from Amazon is that, I like is still fairly expensive and the cheaper stuff all says things like this has car, you know, cancer causing chemicals in it.
Julia: So, okay.
Carly: The reviews are like, this was basically made
Julia: out of cardboard. Yeah. So I'm gonna pay $200 for something, I'm just gonna have to replace it again because I sat on it too hard. Yeah. Um, and so somebody DMed me and they're like, don't you know, everybody puts everything on credit card and we all live maxed out.
Julia: And that made me panic. I was like, are we all collectively living on credit? Like, so you're telling me that literally nobody makes enough money to support any lifestyle that they choose to be in?
Carly: This could be like a larger conversation for Yeah, like a whole, this could be an episode series would be like real talk.
Carly: Yeah. Um, you know that a huge part of my story about getting organized in my life included a big financial journey mm-hmm. . Um, and when I started it, I was like 30 grand in debt between my student loans and consumer credit cards. So it was about like five grand or so in credit cards and the rest was student loans.
Carly: Um, we do have credit cards, but they're paid off every month now. Mm-hmm. and we're debt free except for our mortgage. So like no card debt and stuff. But that took so much time. Mm-hmm. and informs a lot of decisions now because the amount of anxiety that I've had, I'm like, I don't, I would probably have a heart attack if I like, Had that again.
Carly: Mm-hmm. now. Mm-hmm. , like those same feelings at this age. .
Julia: I get that. But I do like the idea of you coming back and having a conversation about representation of money in general in pop culture. Mm-hmm. and what sort of messages we receive from that and have received from that. Yeah. That would, I think would be
Carly: interesting that, I know that was a big chunk of, not big, but a chunk of what we talked about in the Sex and the City episode and Yeah.
Carly: I could talk, I could talk a lot about Financial Journey and I, and, and I, and I'm happy too. Anytime. .
Julia: Oh, Brewster's Millions. Have you ever seen Brewster's Millions? Yeah. Yeah. That movie was the confirmation I was looking for to have just a couple of, just enough of a millions of dollars so I could live off interest.
Carly: dude, compound interest. What a lesson. Right? Oh my gosh. I know, right? No, that's, that's seriously, that's the dream. Mm-hmm. , you're like, you telling me there can be enough in the bank so I can just stop working. Mm-hmm. , sign me up buddy. Sign me up.
Julia: So back to parenthood. You know, there's a lot that we could actually probably get into when it comes to parenthood, the different types of motherhood.
Julia: Like we mentioned, you know, Sarah kind of hops from job to job to job. Julia is an attorney, um, Christina Adam's wife, you know, she's a stay-at-home mom. And like, even just the financial impacts of all of their choices, we could totally talk about that. I independently of this conversation. Um, or just like the family dynamic, like there's so much to unpack about this show.
Julia: and it would be interesting if, cuz you know now all the rages is like all these shows that we loved at one point from the nineties and early two thousands are now coming back with cast members talking about each episode and doing like a scene by scene conversation. It'd be really interesting to see if Parenthood would like I would, I would actually, I would tune into a Parenthood one, I think a hundred percent.
Carly: And you haven't even dipped into race at all?
Julia: No. Oh my god. A girl. This is a big thing on this show too, because you know why I don't I, that's a bigger conversation because there's a lot of things about, cuz as you and I both know, the Bay Area has more diversity than what Parenthood showed.
Carly: Yeah, yeah.
Carly: Also, I'll never stop being pissed that they recast the baby, the second child of Crosby and Jasmine. Yeah. I will never. Ever get over that?
Julia: Yeah. Yeah. Well, we all know I got stuff to say about that cuz nobody believes that I look like my parents. So, uh, same. Mm-hmm. . Same. Same. Mm-hmm. , Carly , thank you for joining me on this as s m r version of pop culture.
Julia: Makes me jealous. ,
Carly: I am so happy to be here. I really appreciate it. And, um, thank you for letting me talk so much about Three Ninjas and also a little bit about Camille. And, um, just, I, I just really appreciate you.
Julia: I appreciate you. Will you please tell our friends at Homer they can find you if they wanna keep up
Carly: with you online?
Carly: Absolutely. You can find me@tidyrevival.com or on all the socials at Tidy Revival. And. Because it launches at the time of this recording, it launches in two days, so I almost forgot it. And you can find me at the Tidy Revival Podcast. Woo-hoo.
Julia: And pals, we will link everything in the show notes, so there's absolutely no excuses for you to avoid our guest and her presence in what she does ,
Carly: and sometimes I'm succinct, so be on the lookout for that too.
Julia: Yeah, yeah. You know, life's hard after a 20 year high school reunion. . .
Carly: We had a
Julia: time, which there is no evidence online that I existed, that I attended. I was going through the group today and it's like, I am not in, I didn't, I avoided the group picture. I avoided, apparently there's like no evidence except for our crapper snappers.
Julia: Which I'm not loading into the group. Oh, oh, crappers. I was like, we're friends at home. At Crapper. Snappers is when you take a picture of yourself in the mirror of a bathroom,
Carly: which everyone at home needs to know. Don't ask me to do it because I don't know how, and my angles are trash. As everyone reconfirmed
Julia: told you?
Julia: Hmm? Is that what we told you, that your angles were crashed?
Carly: Well, I also was like, I don't think I'm good at this. You're like, let me, everyone's like, let me, oh my God. No. God, no. No, no, no, no, no. No. New somebody else. Anybody else? Anyone else? It's so funny. I mean, it was true, but
Julia: I didn't think they were that bad.
Julia: When you sent 'em, were those ones that maybe your Becca took? Yes.
Carly: Okay. Those are ones that anyone else took. . All right.
Julia: I was feeling myself that night though, girl. All them pictures where I was like, look at me looking hot. I definitely thought I looked hot. . You
Carly: did look hot. You do look hot. We all looked hot.
Carly: Yeah, we did. Yeah. Yeah, we did. That was just a fact For those of you at home, that was a fact.
Julia: Fact, maybe I'll, maybe I'll post a picture. I don't. Maybe. Maybe. We'll see. Okay. friends, like always, I appreciate you tuning in and I will see you in the dms. Pop culture makes me jealous, is written, edited, and produced by me, Julia Washington, and I am fueled by the incredible support system of women who allow me to run ideas, cry, melt down whenever I feel overwhelmed.
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