Fleabag | 12
Show Notes:
Shy's back! And this time she and Julia are discussing Fleabag.
Transcript:
Julia: Hey friends, this is pop culture makes me jealous. And I'm your host, Julia on today's show. Shai is back. And if you haven't listened to our Wanda vision episode, head on over there to listen to it because it was really good this week. Shai and I are talking about the Libra.
Fleabag is the 2016 comedy series about a 30 year old woman living in London and trying to adult after a recent tragic loss Fleabag was created by and stars. Phoebe Waller-Bridge. They cast hosts and incredible. With only two seasons Fleabag manages to tackle grief in a way that we've not seen portrayed on television often clever and creative 30 minute episodes will make you laugh through awkward conversation and cry as if you yourself experienced the same loss as the title character Fleabag is currently available on prime video.
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shy. I am so glad to have you back again on this show.
Shy: Thank you so much. I'm glad to be here.
Julia: Our last episode was so much fun, so I'm really excited that we get to talk about full you bag, which.
Shy: I feel like everybody that's watched it shares the same sentiment. As soon as I say it everyone's face goes.
Julia: Yes. Yes. So in season one, we meet she's referred. She, we don't ever learn her name, but on IMDV they just refer to her as Fleabag and she's. I mean, how do you describe her? She's so funny and just.
She's like the little sister you don't want. Yeah,
Shy: no, I get it. She's like the jokester that like, doesn't know when to stop making jokes. Like love it until you don't love it. And then you're like, okay, stop now. Yeah.
Julia: Like the line is here and you just kind of. And now I'm uncomfortable, but it's great to watch on TV cause it doesn't affect your life personally.
Yes, that's true. And so the whole first season is there's two seasons on prime and I don't think they're going to do anymore. It doesn't. Yeah, they're done.
Shy: I know it is a bummer. It is a bummer. We devoured it when the second season came out, we like started watching it and then finish it within a couple of days.
And then as soon as, um, We finished it. We were like, okay, when's the next season kind of come out. And then we found out that that was kind of it. So, yeah.
Julia: Yeah. So for me, the second season, I liked the second season, more than the first season, I thought the first season was really, really good. And one of the quotes that kind of.
Got me hooked was when she's, cause she breaks the fourth wall lot. Right? So this character, she owns a cafe she's kind of not really settled in a career and she's sort of floating and she just has this boyfriend, but then they break up a lot and then she has. Sex also. And so there's just, she's like, it's like coming of age, but for 30 year olds.
Yeah. I can see that. And so the quote that got me hooked was I'm not obsessed with sex. I just can't stop thinking about it. The performance of it, the awkwardness of it, the drama of it, the moment you realize someone wants your body, not so much the feeling of it.
Shy: And we can't really argue with that
Julia: throughout the whole first season.
You know, we learned that she's dealing with grief as the sister and then her dad and the godmother. But so the only two characters that we ever hear the names of are Martin and her sister, Claire, everyone else has sort of referred to. And then her best friend, boo, who had,
which
Shy: I don't think is like a real name either.
So yeah, I
Julia: don't think that's her. Yes. And so we learned pretty quickly that she's sort of grieving. BU, but we don't know, like. We don't know right away what
Shy: happens. So it doesn't really reveal to you until the end of the first season and that you, and then when it, does you understand why she is grieving so hard, just because she feels guilty as well.
And I was like a really heavy burden for her.
Julia: Yeah. So I felt like the whole first season she's kind of acting out, like she's not really dealing with her grief. So she's doing all these like crazy
Shy: things yeah. In that position where like you just like, you're so upset that you. Really have control over what you're doing or like you can't, you're like, you're like disconnected from yourself and you're doing new things and you're like, why am I doing these things?
I don't understand, but you just continue to do them. And it's like self destructive. Yes. And you're that at that level of grief or upset? Yeah, so I get it.
Julia: Yes. And I thought the storytelling was really good because you get flashbacks for things, but you don't know how it fits. And then when you get into the season and even into season two, they called back a lot of stuff from season one.
And you just kind of. Got it. Like, this is, this is hilarious, but it's also real deep. Yes. It really
Shy: was like, I wasn't expecting that kind of like, um, emotion to me, elicit it from me when watching it, like it looked from the trailer, it looked like it was funny from the picture that you see at first, before you even see anything else.
It's just a picture of her walking down the street with tears, streaming down her face. And you're like, what the hell is this? But then when you're watching it, you're like, you're feeling so many different kinds of emotions. Overwhelming almost. And I think that's why it sticks with you so well, too.
Julia: Yes.
So what was it about the first season? And I guess it's been out for a while. So if we give things away, it's not to test your own fault.
Shy: Yes. That's your own fault. I've already watched it.
Julia: Yes, because it's been around for awhile. So I think season one was 2016. So at this 0.5 years. Yeah. So we're five years out.
So if we give shit away, that's, that's not on us. That's on
Shy: you. Not really five years
Julia: ago. Yeah. It's a little bit, right?
Shy: So Phoebe Waller-Bridge has proven herself to be an phenomenal storyteller. Yes. Writing is absolutely perfect. And the casting was perfect too. Like everybody was so good in the characters.
Like I hate Brett Gilman now. Like I hate him even in anything that I see. I'm like, I know that you're just being a really good actor, but like, I can't stand
Julia: you. Yes. Oh, I hated Martin so much,
Shy: so much. I didn't know if I hated Martin more or the godmother more, but I think it was Martin.
Julia: Oh my God. Olivia Coleman plays the godmother and so good.
She's so good. Oh good. And this is pre her doing the crown obviously, and like winning, you know, all these things, all these awards that she's won since the show aired or was recorded. And so, you know, she has all the, she has all these jabs that she gets. To Fleabag better like passive aggressive, but eloquently delivered in a way,
Shy: very British style of humor.
I guess some of Americans don't get it, but I grew up watching British comedies. And so I, I don't know. I, my husband didn't know and he's still lovely bag, so I don't know. Yeah.
Julia: Preference thing, you know, her sister's scheduling her own like surprise party because Fleabag
Shy: basically such a meeting to do too.
So that's why I definitely felt for.
Julia: And they have such an interesting dynamic. Okay. So for people who haven't watched the show Fleabag is the main character Phoebe Waller-Bridge she and her sister recently, I'm assuming recently lost their
Shy: mother to, they said like three years ago or so it wasn't, they were adults, but they showed it in the second season.
And.
Julia: She's she's she and her, her dad can't handle them. So he like, what'd she say she buys, he buys them,
Shy: um, like tickets to feminist events and stuff. Doesn't they still have some sort of female figure in their lives, I think.
Julia: Yes. And then Olivia Coleman plays their godmother who eventually sort of starts dating their dad.
And like, that's awkward because there's a significant age gap. If you're looking at it based on. And Olivia Coleman's an artist, so she's just sort of like fluttering and floating and like, oh darling and dah, dah, dah, and then makes these passive aggressive comments Fleabag. And you're just kind of. And I love how she always breaks the fourth wall when something's happening.
That's something that she's established, you know, from the first episode you just sort of, she's like in a scene with this earth scenario and then she'll like, look at the camera and make a face. I think that's
Shy: what really captured my attention on the show too. Is that not bringing the fourth wall and like, feeling like I was there?
I was trying to think of like, who. Who does she think she's talking to when she breaks the fourth wall? And I don't know if she's like talking to her like a confidant or like she's thinking it's like boo or like a replacement for BU or she's just like looking at the audiences, like the audience. I don't know.
Julia: Yeah. That's a really good question because when in season two, she's a, she's a little bit. She's doing better because season one, she's just floundering. She's just, she can't get her shit together. She goes to the bank to get a loan for her cafe because it's failing. They won't give her one. Like she just can't do anything right at her.
Sister's, um, surprise in air quotes, birthday party, you know, Martin makes a move on her and she's like, no. And then that ends up being a whole thing. And then. When season one ends and you get into season two there at this family dinner situation, situation, celebrating the engagement of the data and the soon to be step-mom and her dad gives her a voucher to go to therapy.
What does that feel? Icky, but also she needs it. But when she's in therapy, the therapist asks or do you have a support system? Do you have friends? And then she looks at the camera like, yeah, I do have friends. Where are your friends? We got to, I actually wanted to talk about BU and Fleabags relationship because they give us all these snippets of when they're happy.
Like she gives her a Guinea pig as a gift. And then it turns in sort of to the theme of the cafe. But w what I thought was great about the relationship was that BU and Fleabag, they're the same kind of weird.
Shy: Oh, absolutely. Like, I, I don't know if you've ever been in this situation where you're like a completely dependent upon your best friend kind of situation.
Have you, have you ever experienced that? Because I
Julia: certainly have, um, I still regularly texts my best friends from high school. No big deal. They left Modesto. They have thriving lives and I'm over here, like, Hey guys, and then they respond and I'm like, cool. So this is unhealthy for me because I text them every day
Shy: now and healthy.
But I think that when you do have that like super codependent kind of relationship, it can be unhealthy, especially with. Breaks up for whatever reason. Cause I've been on that end of it as well. I was interested to know cause they never explained if BU knew that it was flea bag. That was the one who slept with her boyfriend.
They never explained that they
Julia: never explain it, but the sister knows
Shy: that it's her Claire knew what the situation was. I don't know if Buddha knew what the situation was. She just knew that the guy that she was in love with slept with another woman and then it wasn't revealed that. Fleabag. I don't know if BU know that.
And if that was something else that was like impounding on Fleabag skill, like that Boone never knew, or that like, there's just so many, like layers to it that I don't really know and they delved into it, but it's kind of nice not knowing and kind of making up your own
Julia: scenarios. Yeah. I think that's a really interesting storytelling technique too, because then it allows for interpretation from the watcher.
So you can get something out of it. That's a little bit more personal than like the ne. Then the person who created the show telling you, you know, I do feel like you feel for her in the entire first season because she's grieving her best friend. And like you say, having that best friend is so important.
And especially like I'm generalizing based on gender here, but you know, a lot of us as women, we have that close-knit person that we talk to everyday and that we're dependent on. Like you say, and then to lose that, that's hard. Like, I feel
Shy: sorry for you. Cause she always said did didn't mean to actually kill herself.
It was an accident. Like she just wanted to get hurt. Like if that was even the truth too, or that's what she was just telling herself to make herself feel better. Yeah. If you look pretty devastated when she stopped in front of her
Julia: and season two, we get a little bit more in depth. And so Fleabag is starting to heal from her grief.
I don't really know if that's the best way to say it, but then they introduced the,
Shy: the hot praise, Andrew. I have no words. I've I love him so much, especially as a hot priest.
Julia: So I had a hard time in the beginning when he first shows up, because I'm like your Moriarty. Uh, I
Shy: know. Yeah, no, I know he's such a phenomenal actor, but
Julia: he's not a normal or what we expected.
Yeah, definitely. Like he drops F bombs and they start like learning.
Shy: I loved. I love that the chemistry between them was like off the charts, the charts, and you know what I keep reading about people that have problems watching. Actors that are gay in real life, have like a S like a straight relationship on screen.
And to all of them, they need a watch Andrew Scott on Fleabag because off the charts, chemistry, and you're like, he's gained life that doesn't stop this from being magical. It's
Julia: very steamy with being naked. Yes.
Shy: Oh my God. Just thinking about it. Like, I love that story so much, and it's a spoiler alert.
They don't end up together at the end, as far as. Aware of as far as we see, and it was like devastating to see that not come together. Cause you're like, you belong together. But like you get, you get where they are both coming from.
Julia: Yeah, it is. So you have all of this, like build up between the two of them and her sister calls her out all the time.
Like, are you doing the priest? Or however she says it because she knows Fleabag. And she, she goes to the church or at the church, right? Like he lives at the church, right. At rectory or whatever it's called. I'm not Catholic. I don't know how these things work. And so she he's like, yeah. Open invitation. So she does, she shows up and then they just have this amazing bond and it almost is reminiscent.
So, you know, in the first season how they show all these scenes between her and boo being silly and doing silly things and having like silly conversations, but it's fun. And you feel like that's a friendship. I feel like that's the same tone between her and. The
Shy: priest. Yeah. I can see that. I also think that because they did a really great job of showing her being like promiscuous and like going from relationship toy and shipper and like, on and off again with her boyfriend that when you show her with the priest that you're like, well, he should, they belong together.
Like this is like, it shows. The chemistry is like tangible. Yes. So good.
Julia: Yes. And to piggyback on that, I don't know if you notice this, but you know, the opening music is just sort of this like metal sounding like tones, but in episode four, it's, th there's a change in the opening music. It's a little bit softer.
It's a little bit more, um, not mellow. That's not the right word, but it's not heavy metal. And so I thought that was a really interesting switch because then you see. Walking down the street together and they're having this great conversation and they're just bonding really well. And then she breaks the fourth wall and he goes, What's that.
Oh yeah.
Shy: When he notices the breakage, I mean, my husband at home, I thought, oh, that's amazing. Like, where did you go right there? He's like, where did you go? You went somewhere. Where did you go? And then she does it again. Like it looks at the audience and he's like, you
Julia: did it again. Yes. Yeah. I just thought that was such a great technique to show that he truly and fully sees her.
Yeah, literally no one in the show notices that she's doing this. And I think by the end of the season, And by the end of the episode, like the very, I think it's maybe episode fibers, maybe it is six. I don't know. He kind of picks up on the fact that she's talking to the camera. Listen, I'm not going to condone you leaving the priesthood, but you should probably leave the priesthood
Shy: and he should have.
But then it wouldn't have felt so maybe like real at the end.
Julia: So like there's a scene of flashback to the funeral of their mom. And, you know, she's just having a really hard time and Fleabag says, I don't know what to do with it, with all the love I had for her referring to her mom and booth says, I'll take it.
And she kind of looks at her and she's like, no, seriously, it sounds lovely. I'll take. And so now we know what we know from season one and for Buddhists say that it just, it made my gut wrench a little bit more. And I thought that was a really good flashback scene because then as she's sort of developing this relationship with the priest, I feel like she's taking that energy that used to be able to be put into her mom and into BU into the priest.
Shy: And I think about that, but you're right. She has all this love to give and she just doesn't know how to direct it into something. And I think by the end, she's just. Resigned it directed towards Hillary. Yes. She just going to love Hillary. That's all she needs. Hillary,
Julia: the kidney pictures.
Shy: I read somewhere that they're like, they've been friends in real life for a really long time.
And I like, I can't imagine like kissing your friends like that, but it worked for them. So yeah,
Julia: they had some pretty steamy make-out session. Yes. If there's anything that we can let Hollywood she'll learn is it's this. You can have a very good. Fulfilling romantic make-out session without it being like over and kind of gross and Fleabag does that really, really well.
I think if they're at the wedding and then the side yard
Shy: and it was very like, yes,
Julia: I loved it. Like I was fanning myself. Like it's a great scene. What did you think about the, um, painting that, um, the godmother does? She's like, let me paint a picture for you for your father, for our wedding gift.
Sit with her back to her. Yeah.
Shy: I thought that was very in character for them, a godmother. Like she just doesn't want to think about Fleabag. And so she makes you turn around so she doesn't have to deal with her. And perfect player gets to have her face shown forward. Claire, who I think I want to say is my favorite character in the entire show.
He was hilarious in when she was allowed to be hilarious. Yeah.
Julia: How about when she cut her hair.
Shy: Okay. So I I've watched Fleabag through twice now and I knew the scene was coming and I still laugh so hard that you could probably hear me across the park. It's just. Comedic timing of the two of them together and just without even saying anything.
And I think especially, and maybe you feel the same way because I have a sister, like I know how you can like, communicate with them without having to say anything. Oh God, that scene is like probably one of my favorite television scenes, like ever
Julia: it's. So, because hair is such a universal thing. Right. And not just cause, you know, sisterhood.
You and I have sisters, so we're always going to like that those kinds of students are going to hit. We're very particular when we go into a hairstylist and we have references and we're like, you know, and if it doesn't come out the way we want it to, it's like, I'm devastated. Like, like, like it's not going to be able to be changed.
Right? Like, that's always the tone. Like this is forever, but it's not perfect because it's there. When, um, Fleabag kicks into action, he just, she could have. Great. That was his name, Andre,
Shy: something like that. Yeah, the guy that guy I recognized from, like chewing gum have recently joined him. Oh, that's
Julia: another great show.
You should watch it. I'll add it to my list. And you know, they March in there and they're like, and like all these things and the minute they walk in and he's like,
Shy: Yeah, Nope. Get out. Nope. I did what she asked and you're like, yeah. Okay. Sure. And then he did, he did exactly what she has. That was the best
Julia: part we learn in the first season that Martin has a son, but we don't ever like meet him until the second season.
And we fall out until the second season. Yeah. They do like a flashback of where
and he's in his underwear. Oh, that's uncomfortable.
Shy: And she's like, he's 15. Yeah, very inappropriate.
Julia: But then we meet him and he's always like, where's Claire, where's Claire.
Shy: When he like hugs, Fleabag and is like, tell her to leave him. Like he, even though he was like obsessed with the step-mom, like he knew that there was like a non-healthy situation going on there.
Julia: Yeah. It breaks my heart. That the only reason why, well, at least the impression I got, the only reason why Claire married him is because he makes her laugh. Left like that. I think that's how they said it. She makes them left like that, but he's not good to her.
Shy: No, not at all. I mean, he tried to kiss Fleabag and he, it was nerve wracking seeing the scenes with him.
Cause you're like, you didn't know what he was going to do.
Julia: Yeah. And then in the final episode of season two, he's like, I'm not a bad guy. Just have a bad personality.
Shy: I think that's how men try to justify. Being assholes basically. Yeah. I'm not a bad guy. I just have a bad personality. Okay. What makes you a bad guy?
Do
Julia: a bad guy. Oh my gosh. At their wedding, the way that the stepmother introduces everybody. Oh, this is my friend and she's gay and you know, she's, you know, all these other things that are like on the surface about people and when she gets to the husband and she's like, oh, Well, well, I always only ever call you darling.
So this is hilarious. Also, maybe don't introduce people by like, this is my bisexual friend and this is my friend. You're
Shy: it is. You're just trying to like create conversation when you introduce people. Like you always like give like a little snippet about what the person is about, but like the way she did it, what you dislike it, grates
Julia: on you.
And then the priest speech at the wedding. To me, it felt like he was preparing himself to break up with Phoebe.
Shy: I took it the other way and I, you still knew the second time around. And I still was like, okay, you're saying that you love her. Like, so I still, I, I don't. Dan where he was coming from, where he decided to stay with the priesthood.
Cause I was like, you're stupid. I thought he was dumb. I thought he was stupid for staying with the priesthood when he had like this great love in his life, like waiting for him. And he said that he had like been going in relationships and was promiscuous and stuff like that before. And he went to the pre.
And I
Julia: just, I dunno, I just, I just don't understand why, like, when you find your person, why wouldn't you want to be with them? Like that doesn't make any sense to me, unless there's like an actual, like, I can't think of a barrier at this.
Shy: Maybe that was where I was coming from too. Like you love each other.
It makes sense. Yeah. Make us happy. Just make us happy. Do it for us.
Julia: Do it for the thing. I didn't look into it, but the Fox thing I thought was like how he's like afraid of foxes. Oh yeah. They were chasing after him. Yeah. The Fox I thought I heard foxes. They're chasing everything. And then at the very end of Fox shows.
Okay. I'm maybe dense. I don't understand. The significance. Is there one, or am I overthinking this of the Fox?
Shy: I mean, maybe I'm just too literal, but I was like, oh, there really are Fox chasing after him.
Julia: She's like, he went that way and then it walks off. Like you're in, it's going to get you because you decided to stay a priest.
Not that there's anything wrong with being a priest. I'm not saying that there is, but I just, you know, when you find somebody who, again, like with BU she found a friend that has the same kind of weirdest she is, and that ended and. And then she falls in love with the priest and they're the same kind of weird.
And then that ended. And you know,
Shy: the thing though, is that on, at the end of the second episode, she seemed sad, of course, but she seemed like in a much better head space about it. Like when she walks away from the camera and is like, no, you stay there. I'm going goodbye. Like, she's seen more. I dunno, put together more like who she is.
Yeah. Like she, she wasn't like devastated by it because she knew it was coming, but she was like more mature
Julia: about it, I guess. Yeah. A reoccurring theme, the half statue that they kept stealing sweet. I loved that statue. And then, you know, so she steals it from the house. That's a power move. Cause Fleabags like irritated at her stepmom.
And then she gets. She tries to sell it through Martin. Cause I think he's like an art dealer, something like that, something like that. And then Martin gives it to Claire for her birthday and was like, this is great. Tell me how much you want for it. They try to return it, but it doesn't get returned. And then the second season we learned that she still has it because there's a women in business symposium and they're giving this award away
Shy: that she immediately breaks after Claire's like, don't touch it.
She like picks it up and then it just all letter. You just knew that wasn't a great moment. You're like upset. That is over. You're sad. There's over. You are so in love with the chemistry between Fleabag and the hot priest, you're devastated that he, they're not going to stay together. You're happy for, for Fleabag, because it seems like other sections of her life were going well.
She finally was able to kind of stand up to the stepmother who is let's face it. She was like a total bully, definitely bag. Yeah. I'm just thinking of the scene where she has her art show. There's some others, like you're going to just help me pass out champagne. And I assume that she was going to do it.
And just the way that she treated her was like so rude and how the little, she thinks of her that when the first episode of the second season, where Fleabag says that she's the one who has a miscarriage on everyone, this is just like, yep. That makes sense. That, that tracks,
Julia: and then she's like, do you know who the.
And she asks her that multiple times, like the godmother character asks her that in multiple episodes, like, oh, do you know, what did you tell the to figure out who the father was? You could tell him, you know, that kind of shit. And you're just like, oh my God, which I think was really funny because she's trying to be.
She's this character who's like open and flowy and like, everything's great. And she's super, totally accepting of all things. Cause you know, she makes that freaking sculpture wall of penis. So, you know, she's like, I'm an open person and then she can't be open with her future step-daughter in any way.
She's super judgemental and um, you know, not loving and supportive.
Shy: So I'm glad that Claire, that Fleabag was able to get some sort of like, Come up, like she was able to kind of level that relationship. I was super proud of Claire for following her dreams. Yeah. And like leaving her dirtbag husband. Um, it made me happy to see.
Not closure between Fleabag and her dad, but like they came straight to some sort of like understanding about their relationship. You know, I just love the show. The writing is just phenomenal and the acting, the casting on that show is like April good.
Julia: So good. Everyone was perfect. And then I think Kristin, Scott, Thomas plays the businesswoman.
Yeah. And she did a great job. I love that
Shy: one episode that she's in, she always liked chooses scenery in
Julia: therapy. She said, You know, she's just a girl with no therapist says to her, you, so you're just a girl with no friends and an empty heart by your own description. So even though Fleabag, doesn't say those things directly, she's sort of talking about her life and then that's the summary that the therapist can come up with about her life.
I just, I don't, I don't
Shy: understand why people haven't watched the show, everyone that I've come across that I'm like, they asked me for recommendations on shows. I'm like, okay, you have. And like the two, the two seasons, like instantly became one of my favorite TV shows like top five of all time,
Julia: still sort of believing in the soulmate situation, in our, in our culture.
So she is, you know, basically essentially found her soulmate and then he didn't choose her
Shy: chuckling. Like it's sad, but it's like, it kind of makes sense for her life. Cause it's real, life is a mess, but she is like trying to get it together. Like, I think it was funny when Hershey's and her sister comes to the cafe and she's into, and it was like, when did you become successful?
When, when, like, I guess it's big sisters. You never like, not that you never think of your siblings. Trying to become success, right? Like you're always just kind of surprised by it. Are you the older sister? I'm the oldest. Yeah, my, my, I have my sister's three years younger than me and my brother is 10 years younger than
Julia: me.
Oh, wow. I didn't realize that your brother was that much younger than you. I am the younger, you're the
Shy: baby. So do you get undressed and made it by your siblings all the time?
Julia: Which is fair because by the time I showed up, my parents were exhausted. So just like Julie gets away with everything. No, no, she doesn't.
She just gets away with the shit. You never tried minus the uptightness. My sister is totally clear, like she's successful, she's got a great career. She's constantly promoting and doing all these amazing things for her company. And then I'd like to think that my brother and I share the role of Fleabag.
Which, sorry, mom, but I love how they nailed that sister dynamics. So well, and even though like Martin and she are married, like she still sort of leans on her sister for support. And I really liked that
Shy: there was a line, the only person I'd run to the airport for is you, that Claire said to her, and you're just like, You do love her is, is definitely like
Julia: a sister thing.
I've noticed people who don't grow up with sisters. It's, there's a level of not sensitivity. That's the wrong word. Cause men can be sensitive, but it's different. There's like a, because we're natural carers because of all of the social conformities we've had to mold ourselves into. So now it's just ingrained in us to care.
Another quote that I thought was really good when Phoebe shows up at the priest's house, it's an episode three and he says celibacy is a lot less complicated than a relationship. It's definitely not as
Shy: fun though. Yeah.
Julia: Also true in episode four, like the really like starting to heat up in their emotions for each other.
And then he says, I can't have sex with you because then I'll fall in love with you. And if I fall in love with you, I, I won't. And if I fall in love with you, I won't burst into flames, but my life will be fucked. I get that. That's a lot of. I mean, granted, he didn't have all of his restraints because you know, they eventually have a moment, but how hard that's gotta be to be conflicted between your religion and love, I guess,
Shy: I think the moment he knew, and I think the moment we all knew too, that they were actually going to do something about their relationship was when they did the confessional scene.
That was so it was just heartbreaking seeing her actually like come to her own understanding of like what she wants to do. Yeah. And she just wants somebody to tell her what to wear, what to have for breakfast. Or I broke my heart that
Julia: scene. She was so vulnerable and we hadn't really seen her that vulnerable.
She's been sort of vulnerable, but she uses humor as a, as a safeguard. And when she was making that speech, I was like, I get you because. Yeah, it sucks doing all the shit, making all the decisions by yourself 100% sucks. And then, you know, a painting falls and everything snaps back into like
Shy: the Piney fell.
Julia: Like those two, there was two scenes where we're painting.
Shy: Was there too. I just know, like when she went to go visit him at his home and they were about to kiss.
Julia: Yes. And then the painting
Shy: and then the paint and you're just like, oh
Julia: shit. Like God is watching us, I guess. And then when they were making, maybe it wasn't a painting, but something in the church fell.
There were a season three, which we're not going to get. What storylines would you want to see if there was a season three?
Shy: I think we, I would want to see more of the relationship between the godmother and the dad. Ooh, thank you. You got. Fleabag and the dad and stepmother and that, and Fleabag, but you didn't really see a whole lot of the dad and the some other.
Yeah. So I would like to see more of that and kind of understand where they're both coming from when they like, why they got married, like why they're together. They seem like very different kinds of people. So you kind of want to see that, or maybe, I don't know, the, he was, she was a person that he felt too when he was grieving and why they fell in love.
I don't know, but I would want to delve in more into that, into that really. And I would love to see the Martin character like flailing and like being really sad. Yeah. Just cause I want to see that asshole get
Julia: what he deserves. Martin. You're the worst.
Shy: Oh. And I would love to see the banker like come in with his wife and that builds your character was a really great character that we only saw like a little bit of, but he seemed like a really.
Like, you know, that he, when they first met him, you were like, what is wrong with this guy? And then when you meet him again at the seminar that he was at, where they like hate hate women, apparently, and they just try to get out all their aggression on women before they go back to work. And you see that kind of friendship kind of grow between them.
He was a really fun character and all he wanted to do was go home to his wife. Yeah. So you can imagine probably was like sick of his shit. Yeah. And he even makes the women and you're like, I can't be married to somebody that hates women. Like, I don't understand
Julia: that seriously. I think that was a great tight call back to season one because he kind of start, he kind of is the peak of, you know, she's already in a demise, but then like when he denies her, the loan, she could have.
Really starts to spiral, sort of placing him strategically throughout the rest of the series was a really good move. I didn't realize Phoebe Waller-Bridge was a writer on killing Eve until she went all those Emmys. I did
Shy: not watch killing. So no spoilers, but I've heard it phenomenal. And I've heard that the two main actresses have been like really, really good.
Jodie filmer and Sandra. Oh, I do want to check it out, but like now that I know Phoebe Waller-Bridge is writing, I watched her show. Oh my gosh. I can't remember the name of it where they're crushing on Netflix crashing that one. I watched that and I was disappointed that there wasn't enough seasons of that either.
And then she's writing for the bond movie. Is she really is. Yeah. She wrote the newest one. I think they brought her in. So that was going to be exciting. And then she's going to be in the next Indiana Jones movie. Oh, that's looks. And she was, um, a voice of a robot in one of the star wars movies. And I heard that she got cast because everyone came in like trying to be a robot, like make a robot voice.
And she didn't realize that the character was a robot. So she just did like her regular voice and they were like, yeah, that's the direction we should go in.
Julia: Oh, I love that. I'll have to check out crashing. I haven't seen it. Netflix recommends it all the time and I'm just like, ah, I don't know. I love her so much in flea bag.
Shy: It was super entertaining, but it was, it does not have a resolution to it.
Julia: I wonder is it, is it once a week?
Shy: I want to say. Yeah. Yes. British shows are always like six episodes. Like they don't know how to do, or I don't know that they don't know how to do, but all my British shows that I fall in love with.
I've always done like super short season. Yeah, that's true.
Julia: Yeah. And I feel like that's been true since before binge watching and streaming was a thing it's always been sort of a short it crowd is another one where there's not like a ton of episodes and there's like five seasons, but it's like six episodes of season.
And that's just hell old that. 15 years
Shy: old. I just thought of another thing I would love to see in the third season. If we did it, tell me I would love to see them. The guy with the teeth have like a happy relationship, because like, he seemed like he wanted love so badly. And like the only thing that has just, it was his teeth and maybe he'll find somebody that loves him for his team.
And I would like to see him get a happy ending too. And that guy's really
Julia: funny. It was, it was really funny and I love how he was always like, oh, parents love me. Like, you could sense that she finds him irritating, but then like literally everyone around her just like loves him so much.
Shy: He was very smarmy and he was very calm.
But like, I think he just wanted love so much. Like, and I totally understand being that way that you were like desperate for it. And you're like over, over, um, compensate for your desperation.
Julia: I loved their meet cute when they met on the bus. Oh, it was so cute. And then she sees his team. Yeah. And then she's like, shit, I shouldn't have done that.
Shy: It did a great job of showing like her, not her like desperation for sex, but like her, like she's she would. She thought so little of herself, I feel like that she was just like going to have sex with anybody
Julia: pain that goes in with that too. Cause I think sometimes we don't always want to identify that that's like a coping thing for some people.
Yeah.
Shy: I just think everybody should watch the show because it's so good. Okay. So I watched it. Right. When the second season came out and we had seen like an advertisement on Amazon, but we didn't really know what it was about, but we just tried to try it out. And then I felt like afterwards, then she got nominated for everything after season two dropped.
And then people started like, understanding, like why I was like, you need to watch Fleabag. Everyone needs to watch Fleabag. All of the awards, I feel like were justified. 'cause it was so good. It was a
Julia: unique way to tell a story. Like even though they used techniques that we've seen the way that they pieced these techniques together makes the story incredibly unique in that way.
And I loved that. And then I really appreciated that she really just, wasn't afraid to go hard in some of the emotional stuff. I thought that was a really. That's really vulnerable place to be when you're creating. I read somewhere though that it's not a lot of it is based on personal stuff. So I'm curious and only like certain things are based on personal experience.
So now I'm like, can you tell us? Cause I'm curious.
Shy: Yeah. I heard that Fleabag was based off of her one man show and she had done, and then they like created a thing around.
Julia: I'm going to make the plea that Shai just made. Everybody needs to watch this show. It will challenge the way you think in, but unexpectedly and you will feel so many feelings.
That I think that it's a crucial sort of self-reflection moment. Well, I appreciate you coming back. Oh, I love
Shy: coming back. Thank you so much for
Julia: having me again. Absolutely. You'll have to keep coming back because I feel like we just always kind of have great conversations. We do,
Shy: and I love all the nerdy shit that you love to talk about too.
So.
Julia: I can't wait for the Falcon and the winter soldier to be done. So we can have a conversation about that. I have a lot of thoughts about that. It's so hard not to text you on Friday nights after week. Cause we watched it around 10, so I don't want to like interrupt anything, but I'm always like, oh, I need to know how should I feels about that scene.
Shy: I know I should keep like a running tab about when, especially the last couple episodes. There's been a lot of thoughts about that.
Julia: We'll we'll delve into it. Yes, we sure will. Because
Shy: I was thinking about you during the last episode, too. Especially when the Sam montage, I was like, Julia must be in a heaven right now.
Yeah. It was like,
oh, but
Julia: now I'm like, cause so I started following Sebastian, Stan on Instagram and now I'm like, am I shifting like that man
Shy: has no right to look as good as he does. Like he is, but universal.
Julia: Amen. Amen. Yes. And it was not a good idea to follow them on Instagram. Like you're just, the list is already long. I can't add any more men to this list.
I get it.
Shy: I get it. I haven't had like a celebrity crush on anybody since though. So you're also happily married. That's true. I think that that adds to it. Although my husband does react in concern sometimes when, like the guy who plays Luke cage comes on screen. Yeah. I'm sure you understand why. Yeah, I do.
Like, I'll be like, I'll pay a little extra attention and he's like, should I be concerned? He
Julia: beautiful. Yes,
Shy: yes. Yeah. Oh, and the guy who plays in backroom from black Panther. Oh, beautiful too. But it's so funny. Cause I'm married to it like a nerdy white guy and I love. Black strong men.
Julia: Well, I look forward to having you back and I look forward to future conversations and this was
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