Freaky Friday with Chris DeRosa | 2
Show Notes:
Host Julia Washington and guest, reality TV producer, Chris DeRosa (Fixing Famous People) discuss the 2003 version of Freaky Friday, what they loved, how this movie is underrated, and 2003 racism.
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Transcript:
Julia: Hey friends, this is pop culture makes me jealous where we discuss pop culture through the lens of race or gender, and sometimes both. I'm your host Julia Washington and on today's show we are discussing freaky Friday.
Julia: There are two freaky Fridays worth mentioning. The first one was released in 19. Well, listen, Google said 1976. But all the reviews said 1977. So I don't know what's happening there. And it stars Jodie Foster and Barbara Harris. The second was released in 2003 and stars. Lindsay Lohan and Jamie Lee Curtis.
Julia: But before we get into it, let me introduce you to my guest. Chris DeRosa is the co host of the only podcast I never missed. Fixing famous people. He and Dominic Cupid take on one celebrity each week with a guest and decide which celebrity is in need of fixing. It's hilarious. And it is literally, truly, excuse me, clitorally.
Julia: Thank you. Truly the only way you should start your Wednesday. And when I say I've never missed an episode, it's out of the 47 podcasts I subscribe to. It's the only one that's always like Up to date, no new to listen to . Welcome to the show Chris.
Chris: As someone who listens to that many podcasts as well. That is an absolute honor.
Chris: Thank you so much. . . Like, like I know, like I know in my mind what mine are of that and I'm like, if that's what yours, if mine is to you, that's be, I am like humbled and I love you.
Julia: It is. It is truly like I'll be out front watering my lawn 'cause my sprinklers are broken because. Life's hard. And I'm just laughing and the poor people that walk by think I'm probably the crazy neighbor.
Julia: Like out of
Chris: your, out of your mind. There's a laugh in it. Yeah. Yeah. Cause
Julia: I've got my crazy hair. I'm in my overalls. I'm in like. I don't know. They could be classified as shoes. They just are what I'm, you know, I'm comfortable with getting wet if I'm, you know, watering the lawn. So definitely that neighbor.
Julia: Cause I'm like, Oh my God, Dominic is so funny. Oh my God, Chris, you're so right. It's
Chris: Dominic. My cohost Dominic Pupa is like a truly a. Cartoon character of a human being like in general, like everyone that meets him in person now after listening to the podcast is like, is Dominic a real person? And I'm like, I don't think so.
Chris: He is the funniest person I know. And so it's like it and It's very, we have so much fun. It is like the best podcast. You've been a guest, um, fixing Rachel Dolezal, which was a heavy lift.
Julia: And I'm not sure, I'm not sure we were
successful.
Chris: I don't think we were at all. We weren't at all, but it's sometimes, sometimes you are, and sometimes you're not, you know what I mean?
Chris: It's like, everything can't be fixed. So.
Julia: Also true. But you guys together is like really a delight. And I think I told you this like your dynamic is so fun. Sometimes you listen to shows that have a co host situation and you're just like, okay, do that. Like this feels like an act. But with the two of you, it doesn't it like you really do feel the friendship coming through the airwaves.
Julia: And I love
Chris: that what's funny because it's like we don't we didn't really know each other that well before doing the podcast. Like we did know each other, but we were not best Friends like we joke about basically like we've been in a room together like 10 times before and then started doing this and I said and now like other than my boyfriend and your husband like you're the like, you're the person I talked to the most and he's like same like other than my husband that I've been married to for 12 years like I you're the person that I speak to the most about.
Chris: Every
Julia: single day. Oh, I kind of love that though. Right? You guys are so cute. I mean, not like cute in the condescending way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris: Yeah. No, I know what you mean. It's fine. Okay, thank you. No, but no, it's, it's, thank you for the kind words. And like, you, as you know, the door's open. Come back. The minute you have another person to fix, let's do it.
Chris: I'm ready. It's so
Julia: hard. It's like It is hard. It's like Who? Who? And
Chris: there's so many. There's so many. There's too many. Like, there's too many people and like people come to us all the time and they're like, what about this person? And I'm like, I don't even know if I have the mental capacity to like talk about this person yet.
Chris: You know what I mean? It's like, there's some people are throwing out big names and I'm like, I don't know if we can cover that in one episode, you know? Right. Right.
Julia: I did love your succession episode. I thought that was really good. And then I loved the Ellen DeGeneres
Chris: episode. Everyone's loving the Ellen episode.
Chris: I, and I, I knew that it would be one that would be an easy one to do since it was such a public like downfall for her. But people are, people were really liking us like going through her career, I feel. And although it's like not one of the sillier episodes, like I always, like I always want me and Dominic to be like snorting, laughing.
Chris: And, but I feel less. Pressure to have that be every episode because people have been like Ellen was more of like a three people that are really into television talking about television and people really responded well to that. And so we're really like, it doesn't have to be me and I'm like doing like the three ring circus every episode, you know,
Julia: right.
Julia: And I really also liked your Charles and Camilla one like that one was
Chris: like with a podcast legend. Yeah. The best. She's the best. It was so much
Julia: fun. It was gold. Okay, so let's get into what Google has to say about both versions, because we we got it. Everyone Googles, we have to ask the Google. So for the 77 version, this is what Google has to say.
Julia: Annabelle Andrews and her mother Ellen don't always see eye to eye. After a 13th,
Julia: The two simultaneously wish they could switch places and suddenly their wish is granted. Each discovers how difficult it is to be in the other shoes with Ellen causing chaos at Annabelle's school and Annabelle unable to deal with her mother's domestic duties. The two learn a lot about themselves and their relationship in the process.
Chris: I can't believe it's Jodie Foster. Yes.
Julia: And this, I think this might've actually been my first introduction to Jodie Foster because like 70s Disney was also a thing on rotation in our house.
Chris: And there's people, it's also just like, there's people that you're like, Oh yeah, Jodie Foster, we think of like Silence of the Lambs.
Chris: And it's like, well, no wonder she was so good in that movie. And it was able to be like one of the most beautiful portrayals of anything ever because like, she's been an actor her entire life. You know what I mean? It's like, she was like a child acting and this, in this movie. And then that's why, like, she was able to like, Be Clarice and the Lambs,
Julia: you know?
Julia: At the time of its release, Roger Ebert called this film predictable but fun and gave it two and a half stars. And we know how we feel about Roger Ebert on this show. He's not our favorite.
Chris: You know the other thing, and like, not to just slam every critic ever, but like, let things be what they are. Mm hmm.
Chris: Like, it's a Disney movie, like, of course it's predictable. It's for children. Right! You fucking idiot. Right! I swear on this program. Yes, we are, we are pro swearing. Like, yeah. Like, it is predictable, because you're an adult man, and this is aimed at children in the 70s, like, you idiot. The
Julia: 2003 version Google summary is this.
Julia: Single mother Teresa Coleman and her teenage daughter Anna couldn't be more different and it is driving them both insane. After receiving cryptic fortunes at a Chinese restaurant, the two wake up the next day to discover that they have somehow switched bodies. Unable to switch back, they are forced to masquerade as one another until a solution can be found.
Julia: In the process, They develop a new sense of respect and understanding for one another. Again, 27 years later, our favorite misogynist who reviews movies, Roger Ebert, gave this film three stars and said, this movie delivers scenes we can anticipate, but with more charm and wit than we expect. So essentially the same critique of the first one, but different.
Chris: I don't know. I mean, I was going to have a whole thing, but I was like, what's the point? Yeah, he's dead. So yeah, he's dead. No, true. Like rot, bitch. But like, he, it's just so like I don't like when people that clearly are not like represented in this movie then are like, I don't know why this movie needed to exist and it's like, or like, just like, are that and it's like, well, because it's not about you for once right in life.
Chris: Right. And I mean, and I always go into things being like, what is the audience of this movie like let me think of how they. Like, what would they think of this? Like when we went to the Barbie movie, I was like, many people, I had heard, like many people were like, Oh, this is a movie like for us 30 year olds that play, like grew up on Barbie.
Chris: Like it's not for a child. Like, correct. No, that it's an adult film. And I'm like, okay. Like, got it. Like, whereas if I would have went in and been like, this is for 10 year olds and we're just doing it because we're idiots. And it's like, no, that's actually catering. It's actually catering to 30 something millennials.
Chris: Yeah. And that's like the point of what the movie is, which is like its own whole problem that I can go into of like being infantilized by the entire, by our society, even though I'm 33 years old now and like should own a home and have all these things, but like will never. So they just keep being like, remember the toys you played with?
Chris: And I'm like, uh huh. Like the power Rangers. Like, and then that's why I will rent for the rest of my life until I die. But yeah, I understand. Okay. So Roger Ebert can say what he wants, but like Chris DeRosa review is like, this is a stellar movie. Yeah, so
Julia: the thing that I have an issue with, with Roger Ebert is that in critics in general and I have a friend, we kind of talk about how like critics need to sit in a movie theater with the intended audience because I think that would change the way that they feel about the film
Chris: because...
Chris: Oh, very true. Had
Julia: I, like, going back to your Barbie reference, like, the first time I saw it, because I saw it three times, I went with my best friend and a bunch of kids. The kids were bored out of their mind. They were like, what the
Chris: fuck is this movie? Uh huh. My
Julia: best friend and I were like, this is the best movie
Chris: ever.
Chris: No, you were like pissing your pants.
Julia: This is for us. And the second time I went alone, and the crowd that was in the theater the second time was exactly the crowd you want to see a movie with. cheering in all the right places. Everyone's laughing. It just felt so good. And I feel like if more critics had that experience rather than like an early screening or what have you, I think that reviews would change slightly because it's so good.
Julia: Like I love being in a theater when everybody's into the movie. Like it feels so good.
Chris: And like Even if the joke isn't that funny when you know, it's supposed to be a joke and you're in real life in a theater, whether that be on Broadway or not, you know what I mean? That'd be like a theater, theater as in like people performing on stage for you or a movie.
Chris: Like you just laugh because it's like, that's what you're supposed to do. You know what I mean? Like when I go see a Broadway show, people come up to me and they're like, it was, they were, they're like, your laugh is so funny. Like I laughed because you laughed. Like, there's so many people that said like, people have come up to my boyfriend and been like, I loved watching this show.
Chris: Like through your eyes, we'll just like laugh hysterically about nothing. Like it doesn't even need to be that funny. And we're like on the floor. Cause we're like, why not? Like, why not be like, let it be funny.
Julia: Yep. And that's the whole part of the experience too. I think like it just makes such a big difference, but getting back to freaky Friday, I want to talk about the first time you saw this film, like let's kick it off there and what your overall impression was.
Chris: I don't think I saw this in theaters. I don't like, I would have been 13 years old whenever it came out. I want to say I didn't see it in theaters, but my sister had the DVD. So we watched it like a lot whenever we'd be like on a road trip or like going to the beach with my family, you know what I mean?
Chris: Or like on like a, like a, I don't know, like a snow day. You know what I mean? Like we watched, like we had the DVD in the house. So like we did, I'd have seen it before, but I've watched it more regularly. As an adult, because my boyfriend's mother, it's quite clitorally her favorite movie, like, of all time.
Chris: Anything Jamie Lee Curtis is in, like, Jamie Lee Curtis is basically like Angelina Jolie to my boyfriend's mother. I love that. Christmas with the cranks. Um, like favorite, favorite, uh, holiday movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, Freaky Friday. Like we, I've watched this movie with her like five times and every time she's like, this is everything about this movie is my favorite thing.
Chris: Like she loves it because it's like. easy to watch. It's about like a mother daughter relationship. It's like funny. Like when they run at each other and try to like jump back into their bodies and like get into each other. She's like, she's on the floor. Like she's dead. Like, you know what I mean? Like, she's like dying laughing.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. And we're like having the best time and like, Laughing at it. And like anything Jamie Lee Curtis is in, she it's like her favorite thing. Like she even watched like Halloween ends, which she like doesn't watch. I don't think she's ever seen like the original Halloween movie or like any of the other, but she's watched it.
Chris: Cause she saw the previews and was like, I need to see this. Like, give me your peacock account so I can watch Halloween ends just because Jamie Lee Curtis is in it. And she like, does not like violence or blood or like any kind of scary movie at all. So like, but she like, is a Jamie Lee Curtis, like.
Chris: Ultimate super stand, so she like had to watch it.
Julia: I love that about her. How can we make sure that she gets like some kind of like thing from Jamie Lee Curtis to like
Chris: circle this. I like have thought like circle this. If I ever became like a huge celebrity, like that would be a thing I would like do if I like had a reality show would be like, make Jamie Lee Curtis like show up at my house and like, yes.
Chris: Like his mom would like just truly pass out and die from like happiness.
Julia: And you'd be the favorite like that would just end it. Yeah,
Chris: I already am the favorite. But yeah. Oh, I love that. Well, you'd be the most favorite. But so like, I watched this movie like twice a year, like as a full fledged adult, like this isn't a movie I haven't seen in 10 years.
Julia: Okay, so then tell me a little bit about what the difference is watching it as an adult from when you got when you were a kid, like, well, kit 13 is still kind of a kid, but you know
Chris: what I mean? Well, I think even watching it this time, cause I was really watching it with my like magnifying glass, you know, I was in my like full Sherlock Holmes, like costume, like, like analyzing the movie.
Chris: Whereas before I'm just like having a laugh, like how they're like, you know, Oh, they're different, you know? Oh, she got her haircut. Ah, you know what I mean? Um, and it was like. And I was like, wow, this is a movie that when I was a child, I watched it and I really related to like Lindsay Lohan's perspective.
Chris: And then as an adult, you watch it and you relate to Jamie Lee Curtis's perspective, but you don't, the movie is not for adults or children. It's truly a movie, a kid's movie that it's not that it's like has adult jokes that you don't get as a kid. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Like it's not that, but it's like.
Chris: You can be whatever age and you can still relate to the movie and it's not, it's evenly distributed between the two main characters, the perspective of the movie. Does that make sense?
Julia: Yeah, and I, and I agree with you because like this time around, cause so 2003, I had just graduated high school when this movie had come out.
Julia: So I was definitely in that whole like, pop punk phase of life. Especially in 2003
Chris: in my notes, my notes say this was peak alt girl. I was like, she's in a, she's in a band. Nothing is fair. Everything is miserable. Correct. And then I wrote, and then I wrote, nothing has changed. Also true. But like, yeah,
Julia: yeah.
Julia: Like that was just so like. So Lindsay Lohan was like so much of my high school, like we had friends that had a garage band and like we just thought we were so cool. If they had been smoking after school at the park next door, this would have been my high school experience. That's the only difference.
Julia: But then like It's interesting to, to me because like, yes, Jamie Lee Curtis, her character is relatable. I really like the updates that they did compared to the 77 version, because in the 77 version, I don't know. Have you seen that one before?
Chris: No, I haven't. I was going to watch it. And then I was like, let me like, we might have to bring Dominic on and do the three of us with the 70s
Julia: version.
Julia: Oh, okay. So there's a lot of things that are the same, but it also has a very different vibe. First of all, the amount of white people in this movie is like, oh yeah, this is definitely before we started talking about.
Chris: Diversity. Are we talking 70s? Are we talking present? The
Julia: 70s. Yeah. The 70s one. So I really thought that the 2003 version was just such a really good homage to the 70s version, but with like the right updates for 2003, right?
Julia: Like. Yes. Yeah. I love that she was a single mom. I love that she's like, you know, a successful doctor. I love that like all these different things and like she's dating and it's like on the cusp of her, um, new. Marriage or whatever. I thought all those things were so good. And I don't know why I forgot those things.
Julia: Probably because, you know, the last time I saw this movie, I was probably 23.
Chris: Yeah, like a child. Yeah.
Julia: I'm still, still in that right age range to relate to Lindsay
Chris: Lohan. Yeah, I, there's something about it where it's just like, I, I usually watch it and just like being in 2003, which is great. And it's also just like, they don't make, no movie is like this silly and stupid anymore.
Chris: It's all like so serious or trying to be something or really being like, and there's, you know, the other thing that's really refreshing is like watching a movie where like, there's no part that's going to be like, And then people are going to do this on social media and like this will be a big thing on social media and we're going to put it in this movie for that reason, right?
Chris: That didn't exist at all. And I like there, you see none of that in this movie. And it's like, whereas like every movie nowadays, I feel like there's like a scene where it's like, this is just going to be on everyone's tick tock. You know what I mean? Yeah,
Julia: yeah. Well, yeah, we're seeing that happen with the Barbie movie, like.
Chris: Yeah. It's just the whole movie. That's what the whole movie, the point of the whole movie is basically, you know what I mean? It's to like, be a meme for everyone. Yeah.
Julia: And then my friend of mine was like, Oh, we should be Barbies for Halloween. And I was like, Oh, Warner Brothers is so thrilled that you just said that.
Julia: Cause
Chris: that was the point. Mattel is raking in money hand over fist. Yep. Like, hand over fist of like the dumb ass shit that they're putting Barbie on and people are just buying it. Buying it. Just to have it to go to the movie. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, yeah.
Julia: So I want to talk more specifically about the movie because I know that you, like we, so we like to talk about, okay, so this movie is 20 years old at this point. Yeah. So there's a lot of things that. You could say are questionable and or you could say like, well, it was 2003 and we're just going to let it go because it was 2003 and it's not that egregious.
Chris: Okay, I can, I think we should talk about one, the like, Must is there a massage? Like, what is the misogyny of it? Like, where is the patriarchy in this movie? And then I think the other part of it, and then the other huge thing obviously is like race, because like, obviously the, although it is the inciting incident of the, of the movie, the like Chinese restaurant is like.
Chris: Obviously, like, Cringe Central. Yeah. However, I will, I am going to have points that, like, it could have been way
Julia: worse. Yeah. So, okay. So, in the original, the two women, Jodie Foster and her mom, like, they just think it in the house, and then they switch, and it, like, does this
Chris: animation and shows them Oh, it's just, like, from
Julia: their thoughts?
Julia: From their thoughts. So in the 2003 version, it's literally they're fighting in a Chinese restaurant. It's the night before the rehearsal dinner, you know, Lindsay Lohan's band has like this gig that they want to do. It's not an audition and it's this big deal for a band. And they're really good for being a high school band.
Julia: Anyone who's ever had friends play music in high school, you're just like, Ooh,
Chris: anyway, yeah, it was that. Yeah.
Julia: Yeah. Um, and so they're fighting. And so this, this grandmother or slash mother type. Like, offers them fortune cookies. And so they get to the point where they're like reading the fortune cookies, I meant to pause and like write down exactly what the fortune said, but I ran out of time.
Julia: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. They read it at the same time, there's an earthquake, and Chris, as a girl from California, and no one did what we've been trained to do for 50 years
Chris: during earthquake. I'm dead. I haven't, I didn't even think about that. I was
Julia: like, what? You guys are in Southern California.
Julia: We all know better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, that's a whole, not a tangent for today. Yeah, there's
Chris: an earthquake,
Julia: yeah. In the beginning, the first earthquake, no one else feels it. It's just the two of them, and they're just like, oh, okay, let's go back to the table, and this is weird, and we're fighting, and why don't you get me, and why don't you get me?
Julia: And then the next morning they wake up and realize, oh shit, we've switched bodies. And everyone just melts down from there so that
Chris: with a beautiful shot by the way with a beautiful shot where they are both laying in their beds and it's clearly a set because they like do this like this jib shot that's a beautiful where Jamie Lee Curtis is laying like with like like a like a dead body basically and then she flips over and lays on her face and then it the shot goes over the rooms over like the staircase where the grandpa's like still up stirring and then goes over into Lindsay Lohan's room and she the Goes from laying on her back, like where the way that, that Jamie Lee Curtis is laying now to like the way that she was at the beginning of the shot loved it.
Chris: I was like, this is cinema.
Julia: But let's talk more about that Chinese restaurant scene. Cause I think that you can, you have thoughts on
Chris: it. I have thoughts. So like, Oh, like this was written by all white people that like, this is what your view of Asian American people are. Which is horrible, which I don't, like, I'm assuming I don't need to like explain why on this podcast, like, right, right.
Chris: Like, you don't have to explain. Obviously bad. Yeah. Um, I will say that they are in a position of power because they are the causes of the whole movie. They, the restaurant is nice. It's not a hole in the wall Chinese restaurant and not that there's anything wrong with that because there's very few people on this planet that eat more takeout Chinese food than I do.
Chris: Um, like respect. Yeah. But it
Julia: is a high end
Chris: restaurant. But it's like a nice restaurant and they know, and they do know them. Like when they walk in the, like the, the like daughter, that's like basically the owner. does greet them by their names, and they then greet her by her name. Like, she isn't just a faceless, or like, a nameless, like.
Chris: Chinese person. Number one. Do you know what I mean? Like this person has a number one, you know what I mean? Yeah, you have a relationship so much so that at the end of the movie, although they are catering it because LOL, like she cancels the caterer as one of the hijinks. Like they are there as guests in the movie.
Chris: Like they're, they're watching them get married at the end. So it's like, I will say that although like the accents are terrible, I wish that the main girl would have just been like the, the daughter should have been. More, more Americanized and like, I'm like the first generation American and my mom is like the one that's like the meddler, like, right, kind of a thing like that would have made it way better.
Chris: But again, 2003, 2003, like they don't know anyone Asian other than the people that they get their food from. But like truly though, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, but however, like they are in a position of power and I think that like, even their hijinks together like was funny, like whenever they go back to the restaurant and the, and the daughter calls the mom out and the mom sees that it's the women that like, Jamie Lee Curtis and Lindsay Lohan are there and she looks and then turns around and tries to run back and then the daughter yells at her, like, I was dying.
Chris: Like, that's hilarious. Do you know what I mean? Like, erase all the part of it. Just those two people having that interaction is funny. Like, they do actually, they actually are funny. And although they are used as a plot device, which is like in a racist plot device, they do actually have somewhat of like, personalities, and at least have a dynamic between the both of them, which I was like, Oh, this could have been way worse, right?
Chris: It could have been good. Does it make a good? Absolutely not. But they at least had like, traits,
Julia: right? I mean, right. And it also helps with the mother daughter tension because there's tension between this mother mother and daughter scenario. And so and we have You know, so you bring it to the restaurant.
Julia: So it's kind of like cementing that our theme is there's mother daughter attention. Here's another dynamic where it's tense.
Chris: Yes. When the mom is like doing like Chinese spells on people. Yeah. The daughter's like, please stop doing this. Like that's like PS would watch a movie just of that, right? That like the mom is a witch.
Chris: And then the daughter's like, please stop being a witch. Like that's funny. Where's that, where's that spinoff?
Julia: I know. Come on, Disney. Listen to us. That's stupid. Fix Disney on your podcast. Oh,
Chris: It's too big. It's what we did. Marvel. So it's basically the same thing.
Julia: It's basically the same thing. But, but, but again, like, you know, had they tried to do something like that in the original, the 1977 version, we would have had a breakfast at Tiffany situation.
Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oof. Oof indeed. I just like don't even like, the things that you could think about that are just like, thank God this didn't, this could have been so bad and it wasn't, do you know what I
Julia: mean? And I think 2003 is rarely when they, when the conversation kind of did start a little bit in terms of like.
Julia: Like, hey, we need to like maybe do better, but it wasn't I
Chris: don't, I don't, I don't think so. I think it still was a way later than that. You think so? Like, I think they'd made this movie, like, and they were like, this is so like, these people are great. Like, they think they thought this was like, amazing.
Chris: Whereas like, Oh my god, like cringe central. But like, then once I like, step back and think about it, I'm like, okay, this is like, it could have been way worse. But it still is like, they have like, yeah, Offensive Chinese accents, like, and I say Chinese as in like what we think of as American, white Americans as Chinese accent, right?
Chris: Isn't how anyone actually talks. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like, that is like what it is. Like, it still is bad. I'm like, I hope people aren't like, Oh my God, what the fuck is this person talking about? No, it's no, it's needed to not be in the movie. And it needed to be way better. But like, it is, like, I don't know.
Chris: It just could have been way worse.
Julia: Yeah. Yeah. That's our conclusion. It could have been way worse and we're glad it wasn't. Yes. So I do want to talk a little bit about Jamie Lee Curtis's performance because she was so, I thought she was so good. I thought
Chris: I watched both of them and I was like, this is a beautiful film.
Chris: I love them being each other. I don't know what, like, we don't have films like this and me more. No,
Julia: absolutely not.
Chris: We're so, it was, I'm pissing myself. Like when my. Boyfriend's mother who by the way is like immigrated to America like English is like her third language like that You know, I mean, it's her second language, but you know, I mean, yeah doesn't like we're not I'm not watching inception with her She's like what the fuck is this?
Chris: Like right there in each other's dreams like this is fucking stupid like she would be like, what is this movie? Like why am I watching this? Do you know what I mean? like she wants like funny and like relatable and like and she's like When they're like, when Jamie Lee Curtis is like sticking her tongue out at the sun, like she's dying like, and it truly is like so funny.
Julia: And it's not, it's not like a caricature of a 13 or 15 year old I felt like I felt like this really is like she's doing such a good job at playing a 15 year old that it feels like you're 15. Yes. If that makes you make sense. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Like, so A. O. Scott from the New York Times who we do love on this show because he is a little bit more kind, less misogynistic than Roger Ebert.
Julia: He described her performance as a marvel, said she does all the necessary slouching, grimacing, and gesticulating, of course, but there is a verve and conviction here that is downright breathtaking, especially in her scenes with Chad Michael Murray. And I was like, That's a hard agree for me. That's
Chris: a hard agree.
Chris: She did so
Chris: well that I was so, watching it now, she was, I was so uncomfortable watching the two of them be together. Uh huh. Yeah, like, do you know what I mean? Like, I was like, Ooh, I was like, Ooh, this is disgusting. But like, I should feel that it's disgusting. But also like,
Julia: they're connecting and it's so Yes,
Chris: and it's so good!
Julia: No, she He even said that it's a shame that she won't even be considered for an Oscar because this film is like Not for, you know, not prestigious
Chris: enough. Of course not. Yeah. What are we?
Julia: Yeah. Right? And I was like, it is a shame. She's not, she wasn't considered cause her performance is so incredible. Like it's so believable to go from this buttoned up doctor to like this grungy alt teen back to like an understanding mother.
Julia: I loved it. I loved it.
Chris: And also like playing a different character. Like, do you know what I mean? I love that it's them then playing each other's character, then playing themselves. Like it's so, and like what that other person would think they would say. Do you know what I mean? Like I, it's so good. And like, I'm sorry, Lindsay Lohan's a great actor.
Chris: Yes. I was going to say that.
Julia: Like, cause we already knew she could do the double thing. Cause a parent trap.
Chris: Yeah. Like she's like, what, this is a walk in the park for her. So funny. I, I wrote down, um, Freaky Friday crawled so Lady Bird could run. This truly is a movie about a mother and a daughter's relationship, and that's it.
Chris: Oh my god, Chris, you're so right! Period.
Julia: Period. Oh my life, but like,
Julia: 2003, they both take place in 2003. Lady Bird is a 2003. Wait, are
Chris: you serious? Yeah. I didn't even, I was, I wasn't even, wow. Wait, are you serious? Yes! Yes! Yes!
Julia: Lady Bird takes place in 2003. She graduates high school in 2003.
Chris: I didn't even know that. Mm-hmm. . That's crazy that I said that, that I didn't even know that.
Julia: Yeah, I love that. And then here's where I go to the 1, 2, 3, back to me part like, 'cause again, I graduated high school in oh two. So like Lady Bird. Wrecked
Chris: me. Yeah. No, you are Lady Bird. Yeah. You're like, yeah. It's like a knife to the heart. I'm sure.
Julia: Yeah. Because Sacramento is not that far from
Chris: here. Very.
Chris: You live there. You basically live there. Oh my God. I didn't even think about that. I'm dying that I made this reference. Cause you're like, yeah, you mean like my life story in a film? All of it was just
Julia: like, but Greta Gerwig, are we the same person? Like how the hell did you get into my soul? Yeah. Anyway, back to the fact that these were both in 2003.
Chris: But tell me that's not, but like. The one thing I like, if we want to lead into like the misogyny of the whole thing, like, I want to say, like, there isn't much of it in the movie. I agree. It's actually really good. And like the, like Mark Harmon, I don't know. When did NCIS start? In the early 2000s. You know, I was Googling years about this whole thing.
Chris: Like, I was like, did rumors come out yet when this movie was out? Like, like, Cause he's on the original,
Julia: right?
Chris: 2003. 2003? Yeah, I mean he's the main character of the movie. I mean, he's a billionaire, right?
Julia: Because there's spin offs too, right? There's like the NCIS that because he's not on the one with LL Cool J, right?
Chris: No, that's like, that's the spin off. That's NCIS New York. Okay. Okay. No, I mean Mark Harmon. No, Mark. He's a bajillionaire Yeah, he's CBS has just been writing him like a million dollar check like every two months for like his whole life
Julia: He's like our Golden Goose. He's their Golden Goose
Chris: Yeah, but like but like he's not even in so like NCIS is starting in 2003 So he's not even really that famous from it, right?
Chris: Rumors comes out in 2004. That's right. Because I was like, why is Lindsay not singing in this movie? Like why is the other girl that's like a wannabe Fifi Dobson, like singing and not Lindsay. Mm-hmm. . But then like, she can't sing. 'cause like she has to like be on the base. Like it wouldn't make any sense of like Jamie Lee Curtis in her body would be like singing the song.
Chris: She doesn't know the words. You know what I mean? That's why like it, she just couldn't do it. Yeah, yeah. Dramatically . Right, right. But like, or to quote, um, Jeremy Strong. Dramaturgically. She couldn't do it. I want to kill myself. She couldn't do it. But like, I was like, is rumors, does rumors exist yet? Like, is she like a star?
Chris: Like, rumors came out the next year. The OC started in 2003. Right. So like, this could all be happening at the same time. Um, and the reason I say all this is because it's like, it really is like, Mark Harmon's not even really in. The movie that much, then it really doesn't matter what he's saying. Like it is about the two of them.
Chris: It is not about, she's never even really like, I don't like your boyfriend. Right. You know what I mean? Like she doesn't even really ever say that to her mother. Like it's all within their own relationship. It actually really is a story about a mother and a daughter. It's not this man's coming in to try to wreck our family.
Chris: She doesn't even really say that. No, and mad at her mom for like moving on so quickly, and she's nervous that her mom's gonna forget her dad, and they don't really, you know, I mean, that's like what it's, it's not really about Mark Harmon, who is like a great character in the movie. He's like, very supportive once.
Chris: Also, why did I cry whenever he told her to go to the Battle of the bands. Chris. Why did I start crying? Chris, same. Julia, why did I start crying?
Julia: Same. I was like, do I need to go back to therapy? I've seen this movie
Chris: 15 times. I've seen this movie 15 times. Like I, why did I start crying? Like, and like, like a stupid, like, I was like, like, not even just like a tear.
Chris: Like I was like, like doing a, like a gross, ugly cry. I loved
Julia: that moment because it's like, Again, teenagers, we don't always understand our parents, especially like when you have a boomer parent and you're a millennial and like for Lindsay Lohan's character, well, Jamie Lee Curtis as Lindsay Lohan to, to hear that.
Julia: And then for Mark Hammond to be like, you're a really good mom. You
Chris: support your children started bawling my eyes out. You love your children. And it's just like, Julia, I've seen this movie 15 times and was floored by it.
Julia: Can I just say, I'm very comforted to know that you also cried because I'm sitting here.
Julia: I was like, do I admit to Chris that I cried?
Chris: Or do I was like, I was like, I was going to text you. I was literally pulled my phone up to be like, why am I crying? And then I was like, I can't, I have to save this for the podcast. Like, why did I start bawling my eyes out? And they receive, guess what? Guess what like the hardest thing to do in a, in acting is as someone who is not an actor, but like as someone who just watches everything to like, you know, the way that you can tell that someone's a really fucking good actor is when they don't say anything and they just react to what is being, what they've heard.
Chris: That is acting. I'm sorry. Yeah. Also, who the fuck do I think I am saying this? But like. Watching them have their realization silently as they're being told information was they did that in this movie so well and multiple multiple times and never once ruined that did it bad, even when Jamie Lee Curtis realizes like when when Lindsay Lohan is realizing, Oh my God, like I'm in my mom's body.
Chris: And I'm like, about to fuck Chad, Michael Murray, like on this table and this coffee shop that he works at where that we're like, like, and then they widened out to that big set, like of them singing. And it's like all these people that are like, well, what the fuck is happening, like, again, on the floor, dying, like I'm, I'm, I'm dying.
Chris: I'm like screaming, laughing. I got, I've seen it 15 times that her realizing, Oh, what am I? Fuck am I doing? And also, Oh my God, I'm late to like the rehearsal dinner. Like. Genius.
Julia: Yes! Which is why A. O. Scott's like, this woman deserves an Oscar! Agreed. Okay, so 2003, that also means that One Tree Hill is now out.
Julia: Like, it's starting. It's
Chris: in its first Yeah, he was like, he was like a, he was like, kind of a thing, right?
Julia: Yes. And so the whole time I'm watching him, I was like, I prefer this version of Chad Michael Murray than One Tree Hill version of Chad Michael Murray, who is a walking misogynist in his embodiment.
Julia: And, but I love the scene where They're at Battle of Bands and, and Lindsay Lohan is like, no, honey, I can't do this. She's in, and then Jamie Le Cruz is like, no, I unplugged your guitar. It's gonna be
Chris: fine. Just, I know, but I know, again, I am crying during the scene. Mm-hmm. , I know what's going to happen. like, do you know what I mean?
Chris: Like, I can ca recall the shot in my mind where she hears the, the guitar playing and is like shocked and then looks over and like, I know that whole part of the movie, like in my head, I can play it without any. Problem. Yeah. Bawling my eyes out.
Julia: Yeah. It was so good. It's such, that's a, such a beautiful, to me, I was like, this is the moment I think I love the most in the film because not only is she realizing, oh shit, my daughter's hella talented
Chris: and this is very hard to do.
Chris: Like she was like, oh my God, I could never do this.
Julia: Yes. It was so good. I was like, why? Why are you the perfect movie?
Chris: No, I love it. I loved it. In rewatching it now, I'm like, really paying attention and not just being like, ah, this is in the background, like, really, really, really, like, I was like, this is a perfect film.
Chris: And they learn something about each other. And they like, and they like, It really is like it's set up well as well, like there's multiple realizations that happen as the thing plays out and it's in that perfect like early 2000s way of like we're hurtling towards this event. Yeah, which again we don't do any more movies don't ever do it.
Chris: It's now always like five months later they're like texting, you know what I mean like it's like, that's like, like, it's like, that's not, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, they can't even talk anymore because I'm getting so mad now. Like we're hurtling towards the rehearsal dinner, which then we're to know that like the wedding is the next day and then, and they're like, what are we going to do?
Chris: And then there's the battle of the bands and they realize something before the, like, you know, she takes the test. Oh my God. I love that scene. And then she realizes this girl's a fucking bitch. And then she's like, she's like, oh my God, she really is being bullied by this woman and her teacher who I rejected whenever I was younger, which is like the craziest.
Chris: thing ever. I love the craziest storyline ever. I'm like, what the fuck is happening? But like, still like realizes that her daughter's not lying and that, and that she isn't just like a piece of shit. Yeah. Or then her to be like, Oh, this guy actually is a nice person. Although I perceived him as a piece of shit because he rides a Ducati with flames on it, which is insane to me, by the way, what Ducati has like Harley flames on it as someone who grew up riding dirt bikes, right?
Chris: Like sacrilegious anyway. Um, Like he actually is a nice person and actually does care about my daughter and like would be an upstanding citizen and I judged him unfairly and then the realization that Mark Harmon is a good person because he does want he does want to put the kids first and like does value that and he doesn't actually want to get in the way he just wants to like Give Lindsay Lohan her space.
Chris: And then there's the realization of that. It's really hard to be a rock star. And then there's the realization that like, you know what I mean? Like, there's so many good scenes, like, and it's just, they're pummeling you over the head with it in the best way. Yeah. And then when Chad Montgomery shows up at the house and is singing, hit me baby one more time.
Chris: And she tackles him to the ground, dying. Again, laughing my ass off. Oh,
Julia: it's such a good movie.
Chris: It's so good.
Julia: So where do you think this falls in Lindsay Lohan filmography? Cause she has given us some great performances.
Chris: Well, the next year is Mean Girls. Correct. I googled when is Mean Girls and it was in 2004.
Chris: I, one of my notes is the popular girls are just the precursor to the plastics. Question mark, question mark, question mark. If you see
Chris: the main, like, they're wearing the plastics
Julia: outfits. Yes, they sure are. They 100 percent are. And that girl is in a Cinderella story with Chad, Michael Murray. Later, she plays the girlfriend that he like goes back and forth while he's in the relationship, while he's in the fake, um, internet with
Chris: Hillary.
Chris: Yeah, I did not even think about that.
Chris: But like, but truth be told, like looking at looking back on the movie, like there really isn't, there's not even like, I don't know, like I don't have that many problems with
Julia: it. I agree. And I think especially for me in this phase of life with like, Oh, should I be dating? That means that my grown ass child will have a step step parent, but it's not really a step parent at this point because he's in college and just seeing how beautifully Mark Hammond
Chris: handles.
Chris: Oh wait, I didn't even think about that. Can we talk about that? Like, like, what is that? What did that, how did you feel watching that? Because it really is a thing about like, it really is a thing of him being like, No, I'm not, like, up everyone's fucking asshole because, like, I want you guys to all just, like, fucking chill.
Chris: Yeah,
Julia: and he, he understands motherhood. Like, to me, it's like, because we see so many, in real life, we see so many stories where men are like, I should be first. And I think when you do marry somebody and choose to have children, centering your relationship over the children is important for a lasting marriage.
Julia: But when you're coming into where there's already children that exist, you have to find that balance, because those kids, you and those kids have only gone through, you know, you and those kids. You and those kids. Like, I dated somebody one time who was like, Oh, I just feel like you and your son are like, were survivors.
Julia: And at that phase, when he had said it to me, I was like, well, yeah, we kind of work because we just went through hell. Um, so it's like, you have to find the balance of like, not breaking that dynamic, but then also not, um, also being a part of the family too. Like, how do you, and that whole term of being blended.
Julia: Should be true as opposed to just like, because I hate it when people are like, oh, I have bonus kids. Oh, we're a blended family. But it's like you hate your step kids. Like stop saying you're blended .
Chris: Yeah. Like you're not blended. Yeah. Youre like, you're not blending at all. Just because you're in, just 'cause you're in a fucking juicer together doesn't mean you're blended.
Julia: Exactly. Exactly. So to see this guy who has no ego come in and just be like I, and
Chris: also it's to our, to our. Knowledge has no kids of his own
Julia: has no right to our knowledge has no kids to say like you're a great mom and then to acknowledge that that's like one of the things that he loves about her. Like, that's the dream.
Julia: It's
Chris: beautiful. Can we have that IRL? Like can anyone? Yeah, yeah. And like, wait, okay, you know what we have gone this entire time without even speaking about is the little son who like every single like one like great acting like did great. Yeah. And the grandpa, the grandpa like just being senile and like not knowing what anything is.
Chris: It was just like one, one heartbreaking, but also funny. But also funny. Yeah. But like the son just giving the best reactions to everything is, was like such a good part of the movie as well. Cause it really, he really did show the like older sister, little brother dynamic where they're fighting so much. Do you know what I mean?
Chris: But he loves
Julia: it though. But he loves her. Like that's the part that is so sweet.
Chris: The scene, the scene where she's like going to the parent teacher conference that is then You know what I mean? Yeah.
Julia: Yeah. Yeah. So good. And that actually is a callback to the original as well. Because in the original, something similar happens where she realizes like her brother really does love her, but also like, tries to take some of the heat off of her a little bit.
Julia: It's really cute. Another callback. So you know, in the beginning when when Lindsay Lohan's Jamie Lee Curtis is now Lindsay Lohan. And she's like, Oh, Kevin, or whatever Willie Garrison's name is in the show, in the movie. And he's like, no, um, it's Ethan
Chris: Boris. No. Oh yeah. Oh, and then she, and then she's blind.
Chris: And then she's like, I can't see anything. Yeah.
Julia: So that's the Boris from the original movie. Like no, that's his character name in the freaky Friday from 77. And that's the same actor, Mark McClure. I was like, all right, you guys, nicely done.
Chris: Wait, that's so good. Wait, that's so funny. Yeah.
Julia: Because I am
Chris: to be confirmed. Yeah. The thing that this, that this really did was like, there was something for everyone and it didn't say, it wasn't like marketed that way, but it was like, it really is told from both of their perspectives and it's, I could watch this with my mom and we would both walk away from it with this, with like.
Chris: Great things. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't see that anymore. Do you know what I mean? It's really like, again, the Barbie movie, but it's really for me, a 33 year old man, you know what I mean? It's not for. Uh, like my mom or like a child, do you know what I mean? Like, this was a movie that actually really was, although it was a Disney movie, it actually was like, it was for both of those.
Chris: It was for Jamie Lee Curtis and Lindsay Lohan, but then it wasn't told from just one of their
Julia: perspectives. And whereas like, so the original feels very much like the message is being a woman is hard. As opposed to this one just feels like it is more about that much like the
Chris: dynamic of the
Julia: two of the two people yeah because they really do like it very much is 1970s about like domesticity and being a woman married to a man and having privilege and it's um in the original it's Jodie Foster's character that goes and gets the makeover and does all the things and becomes this prim and proper lady so I love that they flipped it in the 2003 and it's Jamie Lee Curtis kind of doing the makeover.
Julia: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, now I look like this and I've got the ear piercing I wanted and these are my cool clothes. I preferred that over the daughter doing it. I felt like that felt more. Yeah. Um, I'm not authentic, but more believable,
Chris: I guess. But also, like, Lindsay Lohan's character would go and, like, get her mom made over.
Chris: Mm hmm. Know what I mean? Versus being, like, because she, like, hates that her mom is, like, so, like, drab.
Julia: Yes! And I love that dynamic where she's like, can you, like? Goth up your outfit or all, you know, like
Chris: whatever. She's like, no, she goes, I'll, she goes, I'll grab up. And then she goes, okay, I'll go. She says, I'll, I'll grunge up whenever they're like, you're not dressed this.
Chris: Like, why are you dressed the way that did you Google the
Julia: dress? They're so comfy or whatever. They're so cute. Never cute.
Chris: Sorry. Go ahead. I Googled Jamie Lee Curtis. Freaky Friday dress and did you know that it is a Diane von Furstenberg dress and it is, there's a huge hole in like the middle of it, like below the, like where the cleavage would be and that they, that they clearly like sewed up or they did like a custom version of it for the movie because if that hole is not there, it would be way too risque like for, there's like, it is a Diane von Furstenberg
Julia: dress.
Julia: Oh, I kind of love that. Isn't that funny? She just was everywhere in the early 2000s too. Diane Furstenberg. Like she, she was in the hills. Like that's where Whitney had her freaking internship when she moved to New York. She's in an episode of Gossip Girl.
Chris: Yeah. Did we hit all your bullet points? Yeah, I'm done.
Chris: My list is over. Okay. Okay. Other than like, again, like why is Chad Michael Murray stalking Jamie Lee Curtis?
Julia: True. So Natalie and I have been covering One Tree Hill and it's like, so it's refreshing to see him as this character compared to Lucas Scott because Lucas Scott is a terrible person and I'm cranky that like he would be seen as the hero of that show because he's trash.
Chris: Can I tell you, I've literally never seen not one frame of One Tree Hill
Julia: ever. I feel like that's okay. I hadn't either until Natalie was like, we're covering this?
Chris: I know it's like something like, it's like a core like value of many people's like TV lives but like I've never, I never
Julia: watched it. I had never seen it until we started doing this, so, and because, again, 2003 was the year that I was, I spent, I was living, I was, that was the year I was the hottest, and so I was definitely living what we now call hot girl life.
Chris: Yeah, yeah, you were not, yeah, you weren't like sitting at home clicking through channels.
Julia: No, except for to come back and, you know, Tuesday nights for Gilmore Girls, but that's a whole separate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. So in conclusion, we love this movie,
Chris: loved it, it holds up, it holds up. And it's like, would it be a 2003 movie if there wasn't like a really racist part of it, that it's like very horrible that you're like, I wish this wouldn't have happened.
Chris: I mean, you know, like not to make light of it at all, but like, I was really like, going to be like, I know this is going to be the part that we're going to be really upset about. And it could have been like, I don't know. Am I just like defending racism? Basically, that's like kind of, I mean, but.
Julia: You know, I mean, it's a hard, it's a hard one too, because then it's like, well, you can't let a whole conversation of like, do we current era lens on previous stuff?
Julia: Like, how does that work? And a lot of people really struggle with that. Cause they're like, no, we have to look at it this way. And I'm like, but do we though? Because like my parents.
Chris: Yeah, and it's not even like, I don't know, there's a part of it where it's like, I would be sad if like, because I think that it's a triumph in so many ways, and it would be sad if we were like, we can never watch this again because of that.
Chris: Because of that element of it.
Julia: Right, exactly.
Chris: Versus many other ones that I'm like, no, we don't need to see this anymore.
Julia: Right. What do you think the chances are of them doing another remake?
Chris: They're doing it. Are they? Did I miss the memo? No, no. They like have said that they're doing like a, like a Freaky Friday 2.
Chris: Wait, hold on. Let me just, let me look it up. Not with Lindsay Lohan and Jamie Lee Curtis though. Yeah. What? Freaky Friday 2 in the works with Lindsay Lohan, Jamie Lee Curtis. The duo starred in the 2003 body swap comedy from Disney. This is from the Hollywood Reporter. Maybe you've heard of it. Yes. Um, Loan and Curtis are expected to reprise their roles as a mother and daughter who wake up one Friday and find they have swapped bodies.
Chris: Elise Hollander is penning the script for the sequel. Freaky Friday was based on this novel, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, they, they, what the old one is. Curtis told the New York times in a retrospective of the 2003 film that she continued to get questions about a freaky Friday sequel while promoting her 2022 horror film, Halloween ends.
Chris: Something really touched a chord when. When I came back, I called my friends at Disney and said, I feel like there's a movie to be made, said Curtis. The potential Freaky Friday sequel would mark a return to studio filmmaking for Lohan, who in the 2000s was among the biggest, youngest stars of the era. In recent years, she has been making something of a career comeback with a two picture deal at Netflix that included the rom com Falling for Christmas.
Chris: Jamie and I are both open to that, so we're leaving it in the hands that be. We would only make something that people would absolutely adore. I should hope so. Yeah, but no, I mean like they haven't even written like their base. She's like writing it now. So like they like both were like, let's do it. I kind of love that.
Chris: I would love it. And recently, like the other day, Jamie Lee Curtis was like, I'm a Hollywood grandma. She kept saying, she like said, because of Lindsay's, because of this movie. Right. You know what I mean? Like, she was like, I'm like, so happy for Lindsay because of, she had her baby. Yeah. Which that's like, makes me feel like, really happy that they like, at least are like, affectionately friendly.
Chris: Yeah. Like, yeah. Like, at least have warm thoughts about each other.
Julia: Yeah. What do you think needs to be in the sequel? Like what's your, what's your. Absolute must haves.
Julia: I don't know. Cause that would make Lindsay, so depending on what year they want to set it in, if it's just like current era. So Lindsay's 35 in real life.
Chris: Yeah. Like maybe I think she's a little older than that. I think she's 36
Julia: maybe. Oh, 38. Oh, maybe.
Chris: I don't know. I could be wrong. She's somewhere between.
Chris: She's like thirties. She's in her thirties. She's a young mother. Mm hmm. And Jamie Lee Curtis is a grandmother and they're fighting over. The baby, the way they're bringing up the baby or something like that, maybe that could be it. Okay. Cause they have to switch bodies
Julia: again. They have to switch bodies again.
Julia: One
Chris: of the things I don't know, I'm what I won't have is like them not be the freaky Friday, right? It can't
Julia: be Lindsay Lohan and her teenage daughter. Like that's absolutely not wild. Like we need it. One of the things like at the end of the 2003 version, when the grandpa and the grandson are fighting and then the woman comes back with the Chinese.
Julia: Um, with the fortune cookies. So at the end of the 77 version, it's the dad and the son who are fighting like, I don't want you to, why don't you understand me? And the mom's like, don't do it. You don't want it. And then like, that's how it ends. So it left it open. For there to be like a sequel about the men, which obviously never happened, but I appreciated that in the 2003 version, they, they kept that sort of like, little, like, yeah,
Chris: a little bit.
Chris: No, I don't, but I want it to be, they need to switch bodies again. Yeah. And then I think that they need to either like the fighting over the, the like, or like the mom needs to retire and she doesn't want to. Lindsay Lohan is like, you're too old to be a therapist now. Like, just, just be retired and be happy.
Chris: Yeah. Like something like that. Or like, be that sounds mean, but like, do you know what I mean? Like be like, Oh, There has to be disagreement with, like, them getting older or, like, something. Mm hmm. I
Julia: kind of want to see, like, did she end up with Chad Michael Murray? Not that I advocate for you, Disney, doing the whole, like, Oh, they're high school sweethearts and they stayed forever forever.
Julia: I hate that shit. But I also kind of want to see that shit
Chris: at the same time. Or, like, is he in it? Is he in it? And then is he, like, I finally want to be with your mom. And then she's like, that was me in her body.
Julia: Yeah, because he's fucking fine now.
Chris: I'm like, I haven't been keeping up with him. Um,
Julia: well, the only reason why I've ever looked him up recently is because of watching the one tree hill.
Julia: And so sometimes people who listen to that part of our show will send us stuff. And I'm just like, what is this? What? Hello? Thirst trap. Thank you.
Chris: Yeah. He's still like really hot and like looks like himself, like not in a bad way. Correct. Like, in a good way. Like, this person. Oh, yeah. No, he's still really hot.
Chris: Yes. He was, like, the heart the heartthrob for, like, a long time.
Julia: I loved Minna Cinderella's story. I was like, can this movie be my life? Please. Thank you. That's crazy. No, it can't, because I was a single mom when that movie came out. It's fine.
Chris: But yeah, okay, what do you want the what do you want the, like, the sequel to be?
Chris: This is gonna
Julia: be dumb, and I hate myself for it, but I do really want Lindsay Lohan to be married to Chad Michael Murphy Murray. I'm I want that. I want the little brother to come back. I want him to have a little bit more of a bigger role. Um, cause, you know, he was just kind of there. And he was great. He did a great job.
Julia: The actor was, you know, really, that child actor was very good and he was super cute. I'd like to see him as a grownup and I'd like to see him create more hijinks and sort of like, why does this feel familiar? Like what happened to mom and sister?
Chris: Um, Is the mom like a real is mom? Is the mom like Oprah now?
Chris: Like, is she like a huge like, like a, like a, like a huge star? What is, what the fuck is her name? The one, the speaker, the one Brene Brown. Brene Brown. Is she like a Brene Brown? And then like, then like what's her name has to go give like a keynote speech and it's Lindsay Lohan in her body. Like that's, you know what I mean?
Chris: Like they are they famous now and then It's like a thing,
Julia: I don't know. Because Lindsay Lohan has, her band was super successful and she's now like, like a rock star touring the world even. I would
Chris: love to see that. And they're like two famous mother daughter, you know what I'm saying? And it's like all these assistants.
Chris: And it's like hide from the assistants. Oh, that's okay. I need to wait. They said who the woman was that's writing the The script in that, that Hollywood report article, I just need to message her and be like, this is what it needs to be. This is what we, we, I'm just going to take this into our own hands and tell her what this movie should be.
Chris: This
Julia: is what we want. This is what the people want. We promised. Oh my gosh, Chris, thank you so much for coming on the show today. I think everybody needs to just once they're done listening to this episode, go and listen to every episode of Fixing Famous People because Chris and Dominic are so much fun and the laughing is aplenty.
Julia: And who doesn't need a good laugh right now? Cause the world is
Chris: garbage. Yeah, it really is. Thank you so much for having me. This was so fun. I'm glad that I cried today. It's just been a whirlwind, but this movie was so great. You are so great. I love your podcast. Thank
Julia: you. Can you please tell all of our people, our friends at home where they can find you, if they want to keep up with you and support your work.
Chris: Um, they can find me at the Krista Rosa on Instagram and threads, even though I don't really go on threads at all. And I don't go on Twitter slash X now. We could do a whole episode just on that. And you can find my show at fixing famous people on Instagram and you can find it anywhere you find podcasts.
Chris: And, you
Julia: guys, they're always looking for celebrities to fix. So if you
Chris: have someone... Oh yeah, message me, yes. Like, have, have an idea. Like, listen to one episode and then have an idea of who I should talk about next. Like, send it on over.
Julia: Natalie and I covered Freaky Friday over on Still Comfy recently. And to cover this movie twice in literally a matter of weeks is a first for Pop Culture Makes Me Jealous. But it really is a movie with incredible performances by two female leads. that doesn't get the recognition it deserves. Pop Culture Makes Me Jealous is written and edited by me, your host.
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Julia: I want to thank my guest one more time, Chris DeRosa, for coming on my show. He is a delight and Fixing Famous People is quite literally one of the greatest shows hitting our ear holes. Be sure to check them out. New episodes come out every Wednesday, so you could do like a, like a Fixing Famous People Pop Culture Makes Me Jealous combo for your Wednesday.
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