WandaVision | 7
Show Notes:
SPOILER ALERT - Julia and guest Shy talk about Wanda Vision currently streaming on Disney+ and no one holds back on what is in this series.
Transcript:
Julia: Hey friends. Welcome back to another episode of Pop Culture Makes Me Jealous on this week's episode, my dear friend, Shy joins me as we talk about Wanda Vision. Wanda Vision was released on Disney Plus on January 15th, 2021. Wanda Vision picks up a few weeks after the events of the Avengers End Game takes place. Wanda and Vision find themselves living in this very idyllic, suburban neighborhood in New Jersey. But what we don't know is what's really going on.
Now, here we go. To the show.
Shy. Welcome to the show. I'm so excited that you are here.
Shy: Thank you so much for having me. I'm very happy to be here.
Julia: Now. I would say you are far more into the Marvel universe than I am. I'm more of like a cursory appreciators specifically of captain America, Chris Evans and captain America outfit is pretty much thank you, American.
America's ass 100%, but yeah, so I'm just glad that you're here to talk about one division with me because I, it gave me a lot of feelings, but also I don't really like, know where it fits in the universe. So I'm glad you're here to sort of set me straight.
Shy: I wouldn't say I'm an expert by any means. I've kind of feel like, um, I fell into falling in love with the MCU, like right after the first calf, uh, first iron man came out and I just started watching them.
Uh, comic reader. So people can, people will say like, oh, you're not really a Marvel fan if you're not into the comics, but who has time?
Julia: And I feel like that's unfair because it's, you know, there's a, the, the Mo it's like the book versus the movie conversation, right? Like the movies have a totally different vibe, different audience. Captain Mar America's way hotter in the movies than he is in the common core.
Shy: But I do, I love, I love the movies.
I'm a fast that we go every single time to the midnight openings, or at least like, as soon as we can get to see any of the movies, we watched every single one of them. So many times now, even my four year old is like in love with a Marvel movies. Like the other day we were sitting around and she's like, mommy, I want to watch end game.
And I said, okay, let's suppose a lot. Watch it game.
Julia: We can carve out the time. Cause you know, the pandemics. There's isn't anything right now. Do
Shy: I feel like having a panic attack today? Yes. Okay. We're going to watch it on
Julia: gay. Yes, I do. It's going to be great. We watched
Shy: it right. Age of Ultron. And then we watched like all of the subsequent big movies up until, uh, end game, right before one division.
Cause we wanted to like, just get a refresher. You got to do that every time. One of the big movies comes out. That's what, watch whatever we can to kind of refresh in our brains and get
Julia: caught up. That's a really smart move because when we were watching one division, when they had mentioned, you know, oh, Vision dead.
I looked at my kid and I was like his fish. I don't remember. So it's smart that you guys like prepped in that way. Okay. So what was your initial reaction to the show? Because, you know, they dropped them weekly, so it was like, A whole week to absorb each episode. So did you like, let's talk about it. I
Shy: love the fact that they gave you time to think and like ponder, because I don't know if you were on any of the boards about one division, but people were going crazy with all of their fan theories and like trying to figure out what was going on.
And I love that because if it dropped all at once, then. I kind of felt like the fun was over Tuesday noon. So I really did appreciate me being kind of strewn out and kind of giving you time to absorb everything and come up with your own theories. I thought it was on so many levels, a really great way to start off the new phase of Marvel.
Um, I love having a, a female lead, even if she wasn't necessarily the, like the hero, she was the variety. Right. And, uh, I think Agatha. Favoritest villain of all time now she was so good. Yeah. Any, anything that Catherine Honda is? I'm like 100% on board. Yes. I I've loved her for that. Since crossing Jordan back in like 2000, I've loved her.
And so now that she's becoming like a household name and she's getting so popular and everyone can appreciate how amazing she is. I'm like, yes, join us. Yes. And loving her. And she just blew that role out of the water. I loved her so much in that she's
Julia: so talented. So this wasn't planned, but I feel like we need to have a Kathryn Hahn appreciation.
Oh, she's so freaking talented in
Shy: everything, in everything. That's the first thing I saw her in, after crossing Jordan was step-brothers played and you know, that crazy like sex addict, who is this person that I'm seeing. She was so fricking
Julia: funny in that. And she's really good at like, not embodying the same thing every time, you know how some actors kind of fall into this whole.
They kind of create the same shit over and over and over again. She's different everything she does. And that's just so in my mind, I'm like, that's what makes you, that's what makes you an actor is you can embody some other character and make it real. Like when she was the friendly neighbor and the nosy neighbor, like I bought into it, I was like, yeah, you're kind of irritating, but also you're saving wander right now.
So that's awesome. But like stop looking in the window. How
Shy: involved in message boards, where you are.
Julia: Yeah. You know, I'm just like, uh, oh, glamor wrote an article or vanity fair, wrote an article. I'll read it. I really wanted to, I really want to get into more of that just generally, because the kid will tell me stuff and I'm like, well, how did you hear about that?
And he's like, oh, I found it online somewhere. And I'm like, ah, like you're online. And my online are so different. And I would have liked to known these things before I came into the show. So not that, not
Shy: that into it. Yes. She knows she was cast. And the role came out that she was. Agnes everyone online was like, oh, she's going to be, I guess, a Harkness, like that's who he's going to be.
And I was like, let's give her time. Let's figure it out. Let's take it slowly. And then when it came out, I was like, oh, you write that song as a book, Agatha all along like me and my daughter will sing it.
Julia: I love that. I, you make a good point though, about the weekly drop, because there is so much packed in, you know, having rewatched it in preparation for our conversation.
There was things where I was like, I remember when I first watched it, that that was weird. And now I understand why it was weird. Being able to sort of absorb what's going on and pick it apart. Really does sort of get your brain thinking about it and excited for the next episode. To be honest, I do kind of miss that weekly.
Um, you know, when we were kids and it was like, oh, I have to wait a whole week for this next episode. And it was terrible, but it wasn't terrible. And it kind of created that vibe again where it's like, I can't wait for Friday
Shy: and me and my husband's case Thursday night at midnight. The state does to watch it.
Julia: It was, I love the
Shy: that's adorable. Then on Friday night, my daughter would be like, I will never going to watch one envision. So we'd have to watch it again and pretend that it was our first time watching.
Julia: I love the way that they tied in old sitcoms. Did you sit there and try to figure out like, what's it called?
Before it became revealed online. You know, how they like sense of like, oh, this is Dick van Dyke. And this is, you know, modern family or whatever, where you guys trying to feed. I mean, family ties with super obvious, like anybody who's within our age bracket has seen the opening to family ties. But the other ones, like we kind of had debates a little bit.
I was like, this is especially because the earlier shows like my kid's not going to know that that's an homage to Brady bunch, but he definitely, he called it. He's like that's Malcolm in the middle of 100. I don't
Shy: know. I don't know about you, but when I, before the show started, I was expecting like 50, 60 seventies, eighties, nineties, and then like early odds.
And then, right. So I wasn't expecting them to kind of like mix the nineties with the arts and, uh, And eighties with our early nineties, but we definitely had conversations afterwards to be like, okay, this is from that like, like the different kinds of periods that they pulled from.
Julia: And then when you get into, I think it's episode seven or eight, when you realize that she's had all this childhood trauma, but TV's like her way of coping through trauma, it makes perfect sense that they would kind of go back to this old sitcom feel and what I loved most about that sort of snapshot.
Her coping through her trauma with television is that we as humans do that all the time. I hear people talking about that all the time, where they're like, oh, I go back to these shows all the time, because I know what's going to happen. There's no anxiety, it's comforting. And I love that they sort of tied this cultural phenomenon that we've only recently started talking about into the show in that way.
Oh, I completely
Shy: understand. I don't know about. During this whole pandemic and craziness, I haven't watched hardly any new shows. I've definitely gone back and watched the old ones that cause it's like comfortable and familiar and you don't have to stress about like the not knowing part to see. Cause everything else is so uncertain right now.
You just want something. Yeah, that you
Julia: know. Okay. So when London envisioned first started, like having romance in the Marvel universe has like, it has anybody else feel like this is weird because Paul Bettany is like, I don't know how older than her. And, and, and then, and then I had to course-correct me like, ah, who cares?
He's cute. She's adorable. They get each other in their world. It makes sense that they would feel bonded because they're both kind of like outcast.
Shy: I do think that the mind stone part helps too, that they're both from the mind stale and they're a part of it lives in each of them. And it kind of, I don't know.
I don't know if you remember, but I rewatched age Vultron recently. And when he first comes out of the chamber, one of the first things that he looks at. Is that Wanda and I just thought, like, that's really cute. I forgot about that. I don't remember if it was part of the chamber when he was first born. I can't remember exactly what.
Well, there's a connection there. Maybe delete this part. Cause I feel like I might be
Julia: wrong, but even if you are wrong, that's still a really sweet Testament to like the way that the relationship kind of started. But I was thinking about the other movies and he's always had this gentle side with her when everyone else has always sort of treated her as a weapon and vice versa.
Everyone sort of treated like him like a weapon too. So to watch. Relationship unfold in one division because they never got that kind of focused attention before was I just thought was really sweet because he was so like, yes, my love and like that kind of like gentle provider protector kind of feel that it was just, I thought it was, that's really sweet.
Like she needs that because she's had such chaos in her life. Like here's this person who brings her grounding, um, and makes her feel comfortable. Wanda's got like this complicated relationship with TV because, you know, we learn her backstory of her parents sort of their demise as well. They're having family TV night.
I think
Shy: also the fact that her dad's sells the DVDs and like sells the TV shows like she has a passion for it already. Obviously she like knows exactly which Dick van Dyke show she wants to watch. On there on her choice for family.
Julia: But it's interesting though, because her relationship with TV to sort of have that buttoned up 30 minutes of like comfort and everything solved in 30 minutes, and then she tries to recreate and emulate that and then it doesn't work.
I think that's a really interesting commentary because we always look at television and we, you know, I don't know about you, but I'll look at TV and be like, oh, that's so like, that's so nice. Like, look at this perfect world they've created. And everything's just like, so. Hunky Dory and wonderful. And then Wanda vision comes in.
It's like, yeah, it isn't great. It's not real. You can't make it.
Shy: Yeah. I thought that they showed that point really well in the eighties episode when the credits started rolling, but they were still arguing and then went into the room and they were still fighting and you're just like, oh, this isn't how it's supposed to happen.
Like they're supposed to like make up. And the credit is supposed to roll in. It's supposed to be happy, but they're still writing. And it was weird to see that juxtaposition.
Julia: Yeah, that's a really good point. Did you watch towards, did you watch to the very, very end, just to see if they would dump anything in, in there for like stop?
Why didn't they condition us to be that way? All the
Shy: Marvel movies have some sort of little. Thing at the end. Yeah. People were so mad because they didn't do it for the first few episodes. And then they finally did it on that last one. Like the modern family episode and people were like, before you only did one.
Yeah. I was just going to say, you came to hate that, see standby sign. Like it was always dropping your life.
Julia: Like, what do you mean please? Stand by. We're not standing by until next Friday. It's going to be hard. Did you have a favorite episode?
Shy: I did love them all. I want to say the Halloween spooktacular episode was my favorite.
I don't know why though. I just really loved the holiday maybe. Cause I love Halloween. I don't know. I love that they did the old school costumes. I love that they had, you know, the uncle, the crazy uncle with the kids and oh my goodness. They have, they kind of.
Pho, if you will, when Darcy said, oh my God, you recast the HRO. I lost it. I thought it was hilarious. Yeah. I think I want to say the Halloween episode was my favorite one.
Julia: I actually really loved the be witched episode because it felt, I think they did such a good job at replicating Bewitched in a way where like, so like the 50th episode, I was like, I'm not sure which 50 show they're trying to recreate here.
And then of course, you know, all the articles start coming out. It's like, oh, I don't know. I don't know if I felt Dick van Dyke in that show. Maybe me
Shy: either. I thought it was more, I love Lucy, I think count sixties. And I thought the second episode felt more like Dick van Dyke. Yeah. But like when vision walked through the chair and like dropped her off the bird, that was, I guess Dick van Dyke.
Like it was more, I love Lucy next episode was Monday. Okay.
Julia: Actually, I loved that they did the opening for family ties, but then I was like, you know, Elise never would have worn any of those outfits.
Shy: The eighties that was family ties mixed with full house, right?
Julia: Yeah. It totally had full house. I
Shy: think they were, they were doing more full house for her just because of who she is.
Yeah. Those openings were fantastic. All the openings and the music was fantastic. I mean, did you notice, I don't know if you noticed, but we read afterwards that each intro song had the same, like three chords that Wanda vision carried on through all of the episodes for all of their opening songs, like three tones in it.
Yeah.
Julia: That's really smart, because then you're still keeping with the theme of the show. Adopting adapting for each era that you need.
Shy: I was just gonna say the last scene, the very, very last scene where you find Wanda, you know, the cabin, the music leading up to, it sounds kind of like music from frozen, which I'm intimately familiar with because I have a four year old and we remembered, oh, it was the Lopez's that wrote all the music for it.
And they are also the ones that wrote for frozen all music for frozen. I was like, they did a little Easter egg guy.
Julia: That's fun. I love that when you figure stuff out like that and you just like, oh, here's the connection. So when I was rewatching it today, the second episode in the radio, you know, at the scene where they're at the pool and you know, Wanda, Wanda, can you hear me come in one day?
The first time I watched the show, I didn't notice, but this time I noticed that it's helped me, Rhonda, playing on the radio.
Shy: Oh, I found that, catch that at all. Yeah. It was like,
Julia: I kind of love that they cause it, cause it blends so well. Wanda, Rhonda, I was like, oh, I love that. That's kind of clever. Good job.
Good job guys. So there's a lot of show theories out there and I didn't pay attention to any of them beforehand. Just all the theories that are floating around. I need to hear all of them enlighten me. Cause I was reading an article. I think I sent you the link. And I was like, I think I knew that one. I think I'd heard of that one.
And there was like four on there that are confirmed, which get confirmed in episode nine anyway, like who Agatha is and you know, Wanda actually being the village. But one that was like, I hope it's true. Is the twins coming back because they were so freaking you were, they were so cute.
Shy: And I feel like they were young enough now that if the Marvel universe engineers and goes along with a young Marvel's thing that they're trying to do with, um, like Clint's daughter Lyla and, uh, Monica would be too old, but the Dubois, they would be old enough at that point to actually be part of the young Marvel's like, uh, Have you heard about all that stuff going on with miss Marvel?
I haven't, but America
Julia: to segue on that, cause you said Monica, like somebody made a reference to about captain Marvel and D Monica was just like, basically, like we're not talking about that. And, and I thought, oh yeah, like there's something there. What's going to happen. Tell us guys now. And then that was one of the theories that's unconfirmed and was like, what is happening?
Send me like
Shy: our theories that Carol just hasn't really been coming back to earth a lot. Like she just, maybe Monica feels like she got abandoned or who knows, who knows where we're gonna find out, because I think that Monica will be in captain Marvel
Julia: too. I hope so. I love her character. I think she's such, she's got such a solid foundation, like when she would go toe to toe with that guy.
The new director guy, I meant to write down the same, but when she would go toe to toe with that guy, I was like, get it, girl. Don't back down. And he tried so hard to intimidate her and she just held,
Shy: she was a very cool character and I'm excited to see what's going to happen for her next as I think a fantastic, not what is going to be her fo photon, photon, so many, so many different.
Theory is going around before the show started during the show, the biggest one was that Mephisto was the one pulling all the strings the entire time. And I felt like they dropped a lot of, like, I think that Marvel people knew that that was going to be a thing. And they did a lot of little hints, like, um, when pH VHO, if you will, um, would be like, oh, devil's spawn or.
Uh, he called, um, the Westview hell. At one point, people were like, Murphy's still confirmed. And there's a poster where it looks like there's a tiny little face looking back at you. And everyone's like, it's Mephisto and I get the Harkness is partners with the Fiesta or like married. And so everyone was convinced, but part of me was really, really glad that a lot of those rumors didn't come true from like a feminist perspective.
Like there wasn't a guy coming in to save the day or to take credit for everything like Reed Richards didn't show up it. Wasn't Dr. Strange coming to help her out. It wasn't. The women that created these problems and solve them themselves. And I love that about cause Monica had, this was one thing that I really didn't like that Monica kept dropping hints about the person that she was meeting outside of the hacks.
And everyone online was like she's meeting Reed, Richards and bringing in the fantastic car. When that didn't happen, you were like, wait, what? This is he's meeting with. This is it, this is what we're waiting for. This isn't Reed Richards. I kind of getting caught up in those theories too, because you just ultimately get disappointed when it doesn't happen.
But yeah, Dr. Strange was another big one. People kept con were convinced that Dr. Strange was gonna like show up at the end and save the day and like take Wanda away or figure out what was going on with her. So I'm, I mean, I love Dr. Strange and I'm excited for his next movie, but I am glad that it didn't.
I even envisioned like didn't come in to swoop in and save the day.
Julia: I do appreciate that. Cause early Disney is kind of problematic in that way where it's like, I have to be rescued again. I can rescue myself. Right. You know, with, so having that message of like no girls, girls, this girl's got it. She, she can get herself out of it.
What really broke my heart when that realization. She like clearly wants a family with vision. And then, you know, obviously she created it, but then like the reality of the fact that like, she can never have that. I mean, maybe she can, I don't know, but like, just in that moment, in that last episode where it was just all sort of being taken away, just ripped my heart because.
There's so much, there's so much complexity about being a woman and wanting a family or not wanting a family and just what that means for you. And she sort of demonstrated that she is strong and powerful and, you know, Can do all of these things without having to be like, she doesn't need to do all these things to feel validated as a female, but now she's accomplished all these things.
And now she kind of wants to build a family. She misses having a family. She misses her brother every day. And then now she can't do that with efficient, which makes me like really sad for her to like, you have this huge, passionate love, and then it can't go anywhere. Like that sucks in such a way that you're just like, oh girl, I'm not going to love you, but I'll love you.
Yeah. I
Shy: definitely think that although one is not the hero of the story, that she's definitely a very sympathetic. The villain because he get where he's coming from, even though she kept an entire town hostage.
Julia: So
Shy: she really did. So she's definitely not in the. Because she's the one who made the whole thing happened in the first place.
But, um,
Julia: one of the theories I thought was really interesting that I did see was, um, that they think, what do they call them? White vision that they think he's not going anywhere. Like he's going to be back. Oh, for sure.
Shy: I'm certain he will. Yeah. He think he is very creepy, but I did love that. That was how the battle.
Between the two visions was all. Cause I was like, oh, what is going to happen? Like they're kind of mashed in as far as power. Like what, how are they going to solve this? And it was like the fricking ship of Theseus theory. It's like the most vision way to solve a problem. That was a really cool way to do it.
But he loved being a dad too. That
Julia: was just the sweetest, how he was just like, like all the dad jokes that they incorporated into it, like when he had the binkies on his ears, I was just like, that's adorable. I, and I think that's what makes the, made it so devastating for me that. At this point where it stands, this family unit may not ever have the opportunity to exist again, because he was just so into his dad hood.
And you know, when you see a good dad, you just want them to win. Every time. There
Shy: was a couple of lines that really stuck with me. And one of them was what is grief, if not love, persevering is like that, but the thing, and then they followed it up with a boner joke, which. You're like, oh, it's so, so beautiful.
And then a Dick joke, but, um, and then the other one was when one at the very end one pulled the boys, like thank you for letting for choosing me to be your mom cried. That you felt that one too,
Julia: especially a mom of a boy, like it's, we don't give boys enough credit on letting them be compassionate towards their mothers.
And we don't see that a lot represented in, in pop culture. And that actually really bothers me when we were on the cusp of teenage hood. You know, that pre-teen phase people are like, oh, enjoy it now, before he like, hates spending time with you, but joy, enjoy it while he into, and before he like, starts like, you know, Whatever pain in the ass, whatever they wanted to call them.
And then one day we're sitting in the car and he's like, I really wish people would stop saying that they don't know if I'm going to be that way. They're just making an assumption. And I thought, yeah, that's actually pretty, that's a solid argument back because we're making assumptions based on, I don't know what we see represented on TV, our own personal experiences.
And so far, you know, we're almost for, almost out of teenagehood shy, which is beard. Cause you know, Talking about college, which is weird. And we've only had maybe a handful of times where I'm just like, I really don't like you right now. It's not true for everyone. And so what I loved about Wanda vision was that they showed the boys just really like, and yeah, sure.
But we've seen ten-year-olds on TV, be assholes to their parents. Yeah. I just loved that. It was, it was a solid family. Feel. The parents felt loved. The children felt loved. The children were good to the parents in return. She's so great.
Shy: It really was. Well, I will say that Marvel, I don't, I can't think of a single myth that Marvel has their casting, like, honestly, like.
Frigging nailed it out of the park. Like every single time, even ones that you were like, uh, Chris Evans is going to be captain America, the guy from not another teen movie and then Irina. Yes, but nanny diaries. I told her. Scarlett Johannson. And Chris Evans are both in this movie and this was like way before they were ever in the Marvel movies.
And he's like, I've never even heard of this movie before I have it on TV,
but like every single casting, like they've just, she says, Sarah, Hailey, Finn, like deserves all the money. All the money she's done is amazing for casting. Yeah.
Julia: They've done a stellar job, even when like, I mean, I'm not necessarily the biggest scar Joe fan, but honestly, every time she's, you know, she makes a presence in the, in the universe.
I'm just like Tam. She's a bad-ass yeah.
Shy: Oh, she's very good at this. Yeah. I'm not the biggest part different either, but she's, she is an excellent black widow and in end game. So good. I wouldn't expect you to appeal as emotional, um, that part, but I was saw, I mean, I cried through the whole movie basically, but that part, like really got to me.
I was surprised because I was like, I didn't even realize I liked her character that much, just like. It was really
Julia: well done. Even still that scene wrecks me. Like I know it's coming and it still wrecks me. I'm excited for her movie. I didn't think I would be me too. I've been waiting for it for so long. I feel like, yeah.
I feel like, come on, give this girl's the credit she deserves. Like you gave all the men, their movies already. Let's get her out here, please.
Shy: Do you think one division would have been good? If they like chopped it up, I feel like it was perfect the way it was as a television show. I agree. There was nine episodes and about half an hour each episode.
So yeah, it was either a really long movie or I think the way they did it, I don't think. Because of the way it was meant to be easy, Michelle. Yeah.
Julia: Kat Dennings character was just, I thought she was really funny. I also think that she deserves more in Hollywood because I feel like she, they kind of keep casting her as the same person and everything she's in.
I dunno. Do you remember the sex in the city episode? She was in, she was don't you see, Samantha gets hired to do this PR for this? I think it's a bat mitzvah and it's her bar mitzvah and she's basically yes. And she's just, she's just now playing a variation of that girl, but nicer.
Shy: I hope that she's in Thor for, she started off in this foreign movies and now she's like a doctor herself.
So
Julia: I know I loved that when she was like, excuse me, doctor, whatever. I was like, that's right, girl, stand up for yourself. Go to school is hard. She really
Shy: spent the. Of the blip, just going to school and getting a doctorate.
Julia: I support it. I thought it was interesting the way that, cause you know, the fifties and sixties had like hella sexist shit on TV all the time.
So I loved that. Like whenever one of the characters would say something that would be like, I don't know, appropriate 70 years ago. Um, Wanda would just be like, Hmm. And she'd kind of like make a face at whatever other woman character was in the room. And she'd like an acknowledgement of like, that's bad.
He shouldn't have said that, but we're going to let it go because I'm already controlling everybody. What are some of the other theories that are out there? So the manifesto thing
Shy: was the big one. Yeah. And now we're just kind of like, it's gonna still show. What's going to happen with that. The Reed Richards one was a big one going on that people were thinking that's how they were going to introduce the fantastic four into the
Julia: universe.
Terrible. The fantastic four movies were however
Shy: long ago. That way with, with Chris. I don't even consider the one that was made like five years ago. Oh,
Julia: that's right. They redid it. I'm not with Michael Jordan. Yeah.
Shy: I will watch Michael B. Jordan and things. I love him. He was fantastic. And black Panther. Oh my God.
Yes, he was
Julia: so good. He'll monger. Oh, oh, black Panther. Don't
Shy: start me on black Panther because I can't. Process how they're going to even do this. Right. Makes me so sad every time we think about it. Cause I'm like, how are they going to do this? Oh, I'm going to cry. Like I love Chadwick Boseman so much. As black Panther, he died.
Like I seriously was in shock.
Julia: He gets re-injured. He gets introduced for the first time in winter soldier. Right. I feel like a war. So the, when I watched civil ward, he's in it every time now. Catch, you know, like you get a little catch and it's going to be hard.
Shy: I don't know what they're going to do.
Honestly,
Julia: I think somebody said in the comic books, the sister becomes black Panther or something to that extent, I think that's what I've heard. So I wouldn't be surprised. And you know, his sister, I love the actress that plays the sister. She just such a great job. So I could believe her being like taking over the throne, Alicia
Shy: to your right as an actress is maybe a little, I don't know.
We followed all of the stuff she's problematic in some of her tweets who I had no idea and Marvel shut that down real fast. I want it to be a quiet. Oh, because she is bad ass. I love her. I didn't even need the next black Panther.
Julia: Oh my God. She's amazing is
Shy: I think it would be awesome. I know we're supposed to be talking about one of,
Julia: sorry.
It was so I shouldn't digress and ask, if you guys are starting to watch the Falcon, winter soldier, I hate the new captain America. And not because he's not Chris Evans, but because he's kind of a.
Shy: Yes. I know I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan. Um, I'm white Russell as an actor. Like I'm whatever about, but white ruffle playing whoever this guy is out, half in America just looks stupid.
He looks like I don't like it. I don't
Julia: like so part of me feels like this is like after the, after the second episode, cause you need, it comes out in the first episode. You're like the fuck. Anthony Mackie what'd you do? Because we only need you as cab, right? Like we need you as cap. He trusted you. What did you do?
Who is this child standing in these steps?
Shy: I get it. I get why he gave it up. Especially after they've introduced the new Elijah character. Like you see what he's gone through? You're like, yeah. I can see how America, especially our real America with
Julia: that's also true, Anthony. Mackie's beautiful. It really
Shy: is.
Do you know, I saw him once.
Julia: I'm sorry. Did he and Jeremy Renner come to town together? They did
Shy: was when her locker was a thing. Yes, that's right. And they did the big Brendan. And then afterwards they, they were hanging out at your studies and I had met Jeremy Renner before. Cause I'm friends with some of his family members. Yeah. It really wasn't until.
Years later that I was like, holy shit together. And you're like, oh my God, I'm seeing him many, like so many times with doesn't even matter. It doesn't phase me at all, but now I'm a little bit,
Julia: I'm like, can you, can they come back? Because Anthony
Shy: rude to them. Like Jeremy was looking familiar figure. At that point, I would see people like shove their camera phones in his face and just take a picture of his face.
Like put the flash on it. It'd be like, what the fuck, man, like, give me a second. You know, ask me, don't just put your camera in my face. Like, I totally understand why they don't ever want to come home because small towns like this, people will lose their collective minds and be so rude. Yes. We're not
Julia: human beings.
I know that people always do this whole equal celebrities or famous and they should expect it. And I'm like, there's. People do you want me to shove my camera in your face and be like, hi, I'm here. Make sure without asking, like consent's important guys in a lot of ways. Anyway. Anyway. Whoops. See, I mean, I.
I'm going to go back to, I still digressing on Falcon and winter soldier. I really do think that it's intentional, that we hate captain America. I think that's so important for us as an audience. Like I think Marvel was like, we need to hate the new captain America. Steve Rogers can be the only one
Shy: at the beginning.
That was what I was like, oh, are they going to try to make this guy a sympathetic character? And as a kid episode went on. Nah, not so much, not so much. And then he laid that, that line about, oh, I need caps side cakes with me or. I'm so glad that at that point, Sam was like, Nope, Nope. That's that's not, that's the wrong
Julia: line to say.
And then he kept calling, um, um, Bucky, Bucky, and I was like, stop calling him Bucky. You didn't
Shy: call him, but like you haven't earned the right call them. Bucky. Thank you.
Julia: Amen. But
Shy: James
Julia: James, like his therapist does
Shy: wait, was that his name? Yeah,
Julia: I only remember. I only, yeah, I only remember the important details about the hot actors.
Like, okay. Sorry. I'm doing it again. Do you follow either Anthony Mackie or Sebastian Stan on Instagram? No, I don't. Oh my gosh. They're so cute about each other on Instagram? Yes. It's
Shy: the last episode. Cracking me up when they were like locking MES and like sit on each other's eyes. They are like ever since civil war, they have shown a really great chemistry together, like in that car scene where like, he was like, not gonna move this car seat at all.
And I was like, oh, I need to see more of this. And now they're giving us more of this.
Julia: Did you, like, I read somewhere that it was supposed to release first before one division. And I'm really glad that it didn't because I feel like it wouldn't. Set up the right tone for like the next phase. No, I agree now that we're heading back to one division.
Um, I really like that in, when we get to, like, when Monica goes back, it gets shot back out of the west, whatever. And so we kind of get a glimpse of where she's coming from and we see her rematerializing in the hospital. I feel like because of that scene, it makes sense for it to be what we see first.
Cause we haven't seen rematerialization happen
Shy: yet. Right. I'm really glad they showed that too, because we didn't get to see any of that and the end game and seeing the chaos and like the craziness, I thought that. Really well done. And it brought up like a lot of points, like a lot of things in my head, like, like how people are re rematerializing what's happening to the people.
Once they rematerialized, like what happened to their stuff that they left behind,
Julia: um, in Monica's case when she's like, where's my mom. Oh, that broke my heart. When the doctor was like, she was like, if he wants to be that person, you know, that happened a lot. Yeah.
Shy: Yeah, they, I know they kind of touched on it in the latest Spider-Man movie, but they didn't really show it.
And so I thought that was what. Really cool and sad and chaotic and scary, and like the disbelief and running into people. And
Julia: so has there been a lot of chatter about what phase four will look like when you're on Reddit a lot, right? Aren't you a Reddit Reddit stuff?
Shy: Yes. So as far as I'm aware, Oh, like everything seems to be doing dealt, um, seems to be, um, going along with the multi-verse we know that Spider-Man is going to deal with the multi-verse and Dr.
Strange is going to deal with multiverse. So we're just, I mean, with something like that, like, you don't know what to expect, like at all, like we know where we left off with Dr. Strange and left off her Spider-Man so what happens next is.
Julia: Honestly, I have no idea. There's a lot. Yeah. Also we, I feel like we need to have a moment to appreciate Dr.
Strange because Benedict Cumberbatch, first of all, I can't handle this American accent, but I'll take it. He's got that dark brooding mysterious thing going on. So, well, probably cause he was Sherlock Holmes for so long.
Shy: I think that's what that movie's coming out next year, but I don't know. Honestly, what, what's the next movie that's coming out, black widow, but I don't think that's an issue.
I think that's all set in the past. I don't think there's going to be anything new, new coming out with black widow, unless it's talking about like a future black widow, like a different person being on that mantle, who knows, although with, um, Florence Pugh in the movie who knows if she's going to take on the mantle black widow or she's going to just continue her sister's
Julia: work.
Right. I didn't think I'd be excited for low-key, but I.
Shy: Wait, why wouldn't you be excited for low-key it's I don't know.
Julia: I know he just ha he's like we
Shy: tell me my sister and I love him.
Julia: Him as an actor, love the character Loki.
Shy: But the only thing I'm really sad about is that this is low-key from after the first Avengers and you lost all that amazing character development that he got in Thor two and Thor three, like he was a great character. And then his ending in infinity war, like broke my heart. And so the fact that we're getting low.
From like Avengers. The first Avengers movie is kind of weird and I'm excited to see what happens, but the trailers have me really excited.
Julia: So I saw one the other day and I was like, all right, June, right. June or July. I was like, all right, summer, let's do this
Shy: 20, 21 has something with Marvel coming out, like every weekend.
Yeah.
Julia: Our movie theaters need to hurry up because I can't, I don't want to watch black widow on. I don't want to watch that on a tiny screen. I want to watch, I want to watch it on the big screen, actually talking about things that Disney should do. I would probably, if they were like, Hey, we're going to do a marathon of Wanda vision on a, on a large screen.
I would totally do it. That'd be fun.
Shy: You can rent out a theater and play it on your Disney bus.
Julia: The relationship between Natasha and.
I forget his name in the movie. He was so supportive of her and vice versa. Like they just had such a great friendship that I feel like that defies that stereotype of men and women can't be friends.
Shy: She had a great friendship with Chris Evans to captain America had them together in, oh. Oh, why can't I think of it?
The second captain America.
Julia: Was it winter soldier.
Shy: Yeah. Winter soldier. I'm sorry. I can think of it for some reason. My husband's screensaver and right in front of me and it's a fall getting winter soldier and I didn't even think of it, but yeah, they did. I thought they did a good job of having friendships between men and women.
In the movie and then like how, how I took on Wanda as like a, a daughter character for her after, after Sokovia. I thought that was really sweet. I agree.
Julia: I feel like there's a lot of opportunity in movies and TV and just pop culture in general, to create those sorts of relationships that are contentious.
And so then we never really see anything represented that's positive. And that's one of the things I love about the Marvel universe so much is that you do have that strong. Sort of support. I mean, Tony, Stark's going to do whatever the hell Tony stark wants to do, but everybody else is like, usually when a team that you work with says, we're a family, that's a red flag to me like, oh, this is going to be emotionally abusive.
But in the sense of like the Avengers. They really are like, we've got your back, we're here for you. We're going to support you. And just the way I know this has nothing to do with Wanda vision, but like when mark ruffle his character is like, where's Natasha
Shy: and yeah,
Julia: this poor, this poor man, this woman just loved him.
I feel like they didn't get enough opportunities to be,
Shy: or the opportunities that they did have. He didn't take. And then he decided to post blip, um, spend time in a radioactive chamber rather than, you know, she was there dumb.
Julia: They really can be. Damn it it's so frustrating. Do you think there'll be a season two of one division or do you think that's it?
I
Shy: think that's it for the show. I think it did the show did. Set out to do and finish that and said what it needed to say, and the storylines are going to continue on and movies. I don't think that one division, as we know it's going to come back. Cause even like, vision's not there anymore. Oh, he's that vision.
So do it all over again. I
Julia: just don't know if I want to live without that vision.
Shy: A memory made real right.
Julia: They really do. Oh my God. You know, the comic book world doesn't get enough credit for being so thoughtful and thought provoking and heartwarming and all these things that we equate to good acting.
I love it when they post like behind the scenes, shit that they're not supposed to post, you know, pictures on Twitter and whatnot. And it's like, they're literally standing in front of a green screen getting ready to shoot a fight scene and that's hard. Because you have to, you you're literally acting because you don't see what's coming at you.
They're putting it in after like give these fulsome credits. So I'm talking about how these movies aren't real movies like that bothers me.
Shy: That bothers me too, because I mean, the people that say that, obviously aren't watching these movies or they're equating them to let's admit the much inferior. DC movies.
These are great, you know, telling the mythology of these heroes and stuff like that and action scenes, but they don't get the humor and the heart. And the, the love that you get from a Marvel movie, like I and games and gaming, seeing infinity war in theaters, I didn't know what to expect. Uh, con, like I said, I'm not a comic book reader.
My husband is a, he kind of had an idea what was going to go on. Like, I cried so hard at the end of infinity war, especially when Spider-Man gave me the hardest. I think, I think it happened with a lot of people. Cause maybe he's just so young and he was like, not wanting to go like stark Ms. Stark. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. But, and then, and then watching end game and still not knowing what to expect. I I like was shell shocked at the end of it. Like for five minutes afterwards, like throughout the credits and everything. Yeah, I couldn't move. I felt like I was just like stuck in my brain and I couldn't think of anything.
I cried so
Julia: hard and that, I think that's something that I missed about the movie theater. Because even though it's a solo experience, it's a collective experience at the same time, because there's a scene. I think it might be an infinity war. We're like captain America and the black Panther show up at the same time.
It might ma maybe it's end game. I don't know. And no, cause it was before the blip. So, so the entire theater just roared with excitement that these two massively attractive, but also like super amazing heroes showed up like the whole
Shy: and gait or infinity war when they're running with the crowd. And they're like the two liters.
I think
Julia: fully, cause I don't remember. I just remember they showed up on scene at the same time or on, on screen at the same time. And like the theater just lost their shit, but it was just so great because everybody in the room, so we all in the same room, we're so excited and happy to see these characters show up because they were desperately needed and it was a collective positive emotion.
And you know, we, we do we to go to a lot of the comics. Movies and even in UN DC and that same sort of reaction doesn't ever ha has never, I've never let me say, let me say it this way. I've never had that experience in a DC movie or a,
Shy: maybe in the first wonder woman movies. There were a couple of points and I did actually cry in wonder woman and I didn't expect you at all, but when she ran across the battlefield, I did get choked up, but I don't feel like everybody in the audience.
Maybe mostly because it was mostly men, like maybe they didn't get that. Right. It was more like simulation for them rather than like this empowering gold girl moment. But like in end game, when cap through Molnar freaked the fuck out, or when he said the magic words of vendors assemble, like you can't replicate that feeling that you mind.
Everybody lost their goddamn mind. Everyone, everyone in the theater was screaming and that experience was like amazing. And something like you can't get sitting at home on your couch watching it. Yeah. And your kid's like, what's happening right now. It's fine.
Julia: I'm crying. It's like, I definitely miss that.
We watched, we watched the SAC signers justice league yesterday.
Shy: Nathan watched it the other day. It was, it
Julia: was fine.
Shy: You don't understand, I don't understand some of the parts that they added and like why he added it when he's there not, can I get like a sequel with Jared Leto? Like what
Julia: I, yeah, so
Shy: they, they were trying so hard to like catch up from Marvel and like throw all of their heroes together, but they didn't have a thought out plan the way that Marvel did with Kevin.
I feel like Kevin. Mapped out the next 30 years with like purpose and like knows exactly what he wants to do. And they just didn't do that with DC, which, you know, it is what it is.
Julia: But there were points during the movie last night where I was like, I've been on my phone the whole time. Cause I lost interest at this part.
So I see that nothing has changed and we're still in. The same scheme and it would be like, yeah, it hasn't moved much. But if
Shy: somebody like 15 years ago told me I would be crying about iron man's voice in his. Dying. I would be like, what the fuck are you talking about? And the way that they were able to like make these characters come to life is just amazing.
Julia: It really is. And when Ironman first came out, I was like, oh, that's cool. That's fun. You know? Okay. My dad and my brother were super excited about it. And then here we are, however many years later, and I'm just like, Yeah, of course, I'm going to watch the next installment of the Marvel universe. Duh, it's so amazing how people, how the minds of people can create something that collectively we all can experience similar emotions and then also have our own experiences in as well.
I think that's the marker of really good art. And I think that's why it bothers me when people discredit the comic world in the sense of movies. Awesome. And just
Shy: fun they are who doesn't need fun. Like honestly, when I talked to somebody that isn't into it at all and doesn't understand the appeal of them, they just look at me like, I'm crazy, but I'm also looking at them like, they're crazy.
Like, why don't you give this a chance? Why
Julia: don't you have a soul? Where's your soul? You should be sad. Like when Steve Rogers finally gets like his finish and he gets to like go back and like live his whole life in like 30 seconds. Okay. Steve. You're sweet. That's adorable. Like all you wanted was to dance with Peggy and then you got it.
And that's just the sweetest cutest little thing. I love it. I
Shy: really hope that we see more of Agatha. Yes. We know that. Um, we know that Wanda left her in Westview, so hopefully we will see her. Dr strange because she's, she's just too good to like, to not bring
Julia: back at all. I agree. Do you really believe though, that she was able to like put that on her?
So she was the nosy neighbor in the cause, you know, the whole time in the show, she can't control her mind. So
Shy: she, I did it to her after she had cast the runes and absorbed all of this powers as well as her power back. So I do think that whatever she did is going to. Dick. Okay. How long it's going to stick for?
I gave back if I was able to break out of it, but I did see that at the end that Wanda absorbed some of her purple power. So who knows, who knows where she left in there. Interesting. But also I just want more Kathryn Hahn in my life. So
Julia: yes, I always felt like she didn't get enough play in the holiday. Do you remember her in the holiday
Shy: weekend?
She was like, Kevin Diaz, his assistant or something, right. John Krasinski. Oh my gosh. I love that movie. So cute. Another person I really wished I had more of was the Dotty character. I'm a comfortable its character. I just love Emma coughing because of Buffy, obviously. Yeah. Um, so I was really, when I saw her on there, I was like, Ooh, she's going to be good.
And then this. Episode where she was like the bitchy neighbor, she's going to have a bigger role. There were a lot of rumors really around her that she was to have a bigger part too. And it was kind of disappointing that she didn't, but, you know, I was just happy to see her in anything
Julia: like the point where she drops off and then they bring her back again later when she's like, please let my daughter out of the room.
Like I want to hook my daughter. Like, like how would I respond? Like I am so crazy about my child and I shouldn't use that word. I'm so. Committed to being a mother. Like I have to hug you before I leave the house you have, before you walk the dog, I'm going to kiss your face. Like these are things that whatever girlfriend he gets is going to be like, A little off that I can't imagine being like in a position, especially when it's a minor child, like I have to accept that he's going to grow up and have his own life and that's just going to be what it is.
But while he's living in my home, I can't imagine not being able to like hold him and hug him and kiss him. I sit on the tape, you know, sit on the couch and watch TV together. Or just like those small little interactions that you do with your children when they're home with you. The idea of like the concept with one division and how she's like controlling everybody and the kids are all gone and we don't see them until Halloween.
That's heartbreaking when you, when you really get to the root of like parenting, like that's devastating and adds to the trauma it
Shy: does. And because you don't really even think about it until, until they mentioned like, oh, where have you been hiding all these kids? Yeah. She's been hiding all the kids, like where have they all been?
And you kind of have it calls back to the second episode when they do the talent show for the children. And you're like, oh, they were trying to get her to. Take everything now. And so they can save their children. Cause it was funny.
Julia: There was a lot of little bits like that in the show. Like there was that the, for the children part.
And then in episode one, when Mr. Hart's choking and Mrs. Hart just like, stop it, stop it. And then she gets really ominous with her. Stop it. And you're just like, dang, it got creepy. Like what do we know yet? I
Shy: know they did great. They did a great job with all the callbacks, especially with like the commercial.
And staff that where the commercials are like, what is happening. And then by the end, you're like, oh yeah, that all makes sense. Yeah.
Julia: There's even one point in episode two, where Agnes says, look, it's the star of the show and she's talking to Wanda, but then she picks up the bunny and then as you get later on, you're like, oh, okay, Agnes, we should, should've known that we, that you knew the whole time based on that statement, like, I feel dumb that I didn't figure that out.
He didn't want you to figure it out. That's fine. Yeah. They really did a good
Shy: job.
Julia: The paper towel one, and then also the snacks, you know, with the shark that hops up on the island
Shy: magic
Julia: one. Yeah. Cause it was like, oh my God. Clearly the person who came up with this commercial grew up in the nineties because that shit's Ella
Shy: accurate.
Maybe, I think you're just like, what is happening? Why is this kid dying? And then you find out it's because of yeah.
Julia: Yep. Which is crazy. Right. Like put it together. And then I love that Kat Dennings character got really into the show and then she's
Shy: like all along with us, all
Julia: of us, I thought that was great.
I was like, yeah, it'd be that person at work. I do want more Monica Rambo though. I think you're right. I think she is going to be in the second, um, captain. Danvers can't fall slump the marble. Yeah. That's it. Captain Marvel. I'm a fan. I swear.
Shy: I'm excited to see their interaction and find out like why?
Cause there was two instances where Carol's name was mentioned to Monica and both times Monica was just like, moving on.
Julia: We're going to side step that real quick.
Shy: Was there anything that was an answer that you wanted answered in the show? Yeah. Um,
Julia: I think I had a couple of things. Tell me.
Shy: Well, first of all, okay.
The whole, we need to talk about this, but the whole thing. Yeah. That was like, why, why? I mean,
Julia: I understand that Agnes is attempt to try and like break Wanda.
Shy: Well, my whole thing was okay. So it was going to be, you're supposed to think that it's the real pho or painter, and then you find out that it's not the real people.
But then like, then why even cast Evan Peters in that role? Like anybody else, but they were like, we're going to use the old pig, silver from this universe and bring them into this universe, but it's not going to be the same guy. And I'm just like, how, who thought that would make sense? Or that was going to be a good idea.
Like it didn't make any that's me. And it made me furious, like furious. I was so angry and also at the same time, I'm like that Quicksilver, Evan, Evan, Peter. Um, in his movies, the X-Men movies, they were all set in like eighties and nineties. So he wouldn't even be that old. I don't know it was confusing, but he didn't show up in like the nineties episode.
So I guess that would be how they explain that
Julia: that makes yeah.
Shy: I either like it and then they just turned the whole thing into a dicto right. I go, why, why,
Julia: why, why does it always end up having to be a Dick joke? I don't understand that the same people
Shy: that. So it's beautiful lines for vision, just
Julia: turning, I'm trying to break that emotional wall on you.
So that way you don't have to walk around with all this plague. I
Shy: love vision so much. I think he was such a great hero. And even like when, like that scene where he broke through the barrier, the hacks on Halloween upset. Trying to get out. Like he wasn't even like helped me or save me. He said, the people need help.
You're just like,
Julia: don't, don't take them away again. One already been through so much. Right. I mean, she lost him twice, you know, and then to lose him a third time, like, oh, that's traumatizing.
Shy: So the whole. Thing before everything started was that it was supposed to be like maybe mystique Mephisto like pulling all the strings or whatever, but it really, after the fact, you really realized it was a textbook definitions of the stages of grief.
Oh yeah. Denial. The acceptance, anger. Like every episode hit, like all of the things that really, and like the last one is what. Yeah. It wasn't like a mess when everybody went away.
Julia: Yeah. That's a good point. You're right though. Vision really is a good hero and he's so selfless and he's just, so he's just.
Big old heart. That's like we have to, we have to be better. Like that's what vision makes me feel like we have to be better because he's so good. He, we don't deserve him. We don't,
Shy: we don't deserve, we don't have Japan. We don't have, America
Julia: can appreciate the way captain America looks though.
Shy: You know, it's funny. Cause I, I do like, I like Chris Evans as an actor now I didn't then. Cause I was like, what the hell? You know,
Julia: I kind of played some, he had some questionable movies there for a minute. Like he did one with Jessica Biel that look not good. Sorry, go ahead. It's like called London or something like that.
I was like, I didn't even finish it. I
Shy: realized that only like
it's maybe the uniform,
Julia: Hey, it works for him though, but gifted he's really good. He did a movie called. Yeah. And it's really sweet because he's playing this uncle. He plays an uncle. Who's taking care of his niece. Who's wicked smart. And her mom is
Shy: Carol Danvers. Right. And I'm the little girl who played Carolina.
Julia: I think you're right. I think you're right. Shine, MDB up here. Um, but anyway, gifted is a good movie. He really does a good job advocate. Like in that movie, I really feel like, like, I feel like we could talk for hours and hours and hours down the rabbit hole of, um, w he probably could honestly, well, that's our show for y'all tune in next time, as we talk about our favorite TV moms, just in time for mothers.
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