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Show Notes:
Julia and Christina talk Netflix's Selena (Part 1). What about the Mexican American experience is relatable to Julia, how much Selena means to Christina, and what the ladies would like to see in Season 2.
Transcript:
Julia: Hey friends. Welcome to another episode of Pop Culture Makes Me Jealous. I'm your host, Julia Washington. And today we are talking the Netflix original series Selena.
The Netflix original Selena is a series that tells the story of the late Tejana singer, Selena Quintanilla, as she rises to start on this nine part series ends, right at the point in her career, when she's released her first album, this in-depth look at her early family life and the struggle and sacrifice the family went through in this week's episode, Christina and I.
Part one,
just like I had talked about how important Jenny and Georgia was to me as an adult.
Christina: So I guess what's also different from my experience in yours is Selena passed away. During my lifetime and the movie came out pretty shortly after 1997, I was a child. Yeah. So for me, I got to grow up with it and I got to grow up with that experience.
And like I said, we do live in this community where I get to grow up, surrounded by it. So for me, it was, I guess, Probably more inclusive than a lot of people. Um, maybe overly because a lot of people would remind me that I'm white and I'm like, you're right.
Like it's such a, it was such like a staple. The movie was such a staple in my house. So when the Netflix series came out, I was like, I got so pumped. I was telling Taylor like when me and Taylor first started dating one of our. Things was he had to watch Selena with me cause it's my favorite movie. And so when the series came out, I had like a countdown going.
I was like, babe, we're gonna watch you together. We're going to do all these things. And he's
Julia: just like, okay,
Christina: like I've converted him now. He loves it. And now he's convinced I'm also more Mexican than I am because he just looks at
Julia: me and he's, well, how do you say this? And I'm like, I don't know. So what I found.
Surprising for me. Well, one, I don't know. I didn't know that much about Selena prior to, because, um, it just, wasn't an area that was of interest to me. Not because she wasn't talented. She's very talented. It's just, my song is the closeout song at this, um, pre pandemic. There was this bar gay club that we used to go to.
And, and when that song came on, everybody was like, yes, but also that was the last song of the night.
Christina: Well, like I, was it a faster, slow song?
Julia: It was a faster song I heard it was. Yeah. And I was like, and I just loved how they like end on such a high note and like energy driven, like good night, rather than sad that we have to leave the bar.
Now it's 2:00 AM go home, you know? Um, yeah. But I, what I wasn't expecting was the being able to relate when, when they were, when they were just kind of this portrayal of like, there was a scene, if you recall where Abraham was like, You have to learn Spanish. If this is going to work, like you have to say a ship, this is going to work.
And you know, we have to relate to the what, what do they call, what did they call it? Um, to Hano, uh, community, right? This is my ignorance showing I need to educate myself. Um, and so there was just this whole thing about like, and you've said this before, there was this whole thing about like, Like she, and Selena said multiple times, but I'm an American, I'm an American, I'm an American.
And I was.
Christina: It really shows it really shows the different generations that Abraham grew up in and Selena was, or is growing up in where she's like, no, like we're Mexican Americans. Like we're both. We can be both. Let's embrace both. And he's like, no, they're only going to see us as Mexicans. So we. Stick to being Mexican and that's how it is.
And that's how you get successful because I tried to do the crossover and it didn't work. And it's because he was ahead of his time. Like he was too progressive for his time, which is ironic because then he seems, so he seems so conservative for
Julia: those kids. Which I am active. I
Christina: also have to say it is a, a lot of people would say the Hispanic community.
Like that is how the household is ran. You know, like there isn't like an abrasive. Um, to raising does. I mean, there's the chunk, Liz, uh, is a thing for a reason it's funny, but it's a thing for a reason. It's an abrasive culture. Like everything's aggressive, but the love is aggressive. The food's aggressive, everything's aggressive, but everything comes from.
Love and passion. And it's just all this overwhelming. Like I always say it, my family is overwhelming, but like it's comes from love. I
Julia: have, there was a really great line. He said, I forget which episode it was, which is why my notes are so important. Selena doesn't understand. Right. She's young she's I think it's when she was like eight in the portrayal of when she was like eight or nine.
Yeah. Like, and, and she says, she doesn't understand why this emphasis on being Mexican because she's American. And he says, I'm from Mexico. I'm Mexican, which makes you Mexican. So your roots are in Mexico and. I'm paraphrasing and doing a terrible job of recapping it. I had written it down, literally rewind it and wrote it down word by word, because I think with the way that the rise of the United States of America is it's so easy to forget our origins and.
That just felt so beautiful. Like his speech was about, that was just so beautiful and it was inspiring clearly because she, you know, taught, she learned how to sing in Spanish. And that was huge. Obvious. I mean, obviously that was a life career changer. I think
Christina: what I love too so much about it. She, I mean, he does accept the American lifestyle and he does accept the American dream and he wants to go with like the American way, but he also respects his roots and he wants to come.
He wants to still honor them. And I like that. Like, I kinda like the way that they go about it in a sense, and the sense of like Selena and Abraham balance each other out she's so like, You know, celebratory of like the American lifestyle and he's so supportive of her. And I mean, he gives resistance, but he can see like the passion and he, like, he trusts her more than I would say.
A lot of dads would trust their teenage daughters. And like, he lets her follow her, like these dreams that are sketchy and he knows don't always, you know, lead the right way. But they do it in this way. That like brings in both of like both of their points of view. And they bring them in together and it's so cool that they got to do that.
And they did it as like a father and daughter, you
Julia: know? Yeah. He had the experience in the music industry that was necessary to guide a young girl through it because the music industry is unforgiving and incredibly abusive to young women. And you know, some young men too, it's not isolated, but it is heavily prevalent with young women.
So he was able to take that experience, see his daughter's talent and then help her flourish, which I thought was. Selfless. And I wonder though, like,
Christina: I would also say, I'm sorry to interrupt, but like the, like we've mentioned being abrasive earlier, he needed that to stand up for Selena. And so some of that does carry over, you know, like it's natural when you're, when you're used to being some way to.
To be, you know, to get your kids the best of life. Sometimes you forget, like to take that hat off with when you're with your children, you know, but what Abraham always does and what I would say frickin Celina's mom is so wonderful at is that she always brings Abraham back to earth. And she's always reminding him that it's about the family.
It's about the kids being happy. It's about them following their dreams and doing what they want, not what Abraham wants.
Julia: So, yeah, he does. No, you're fine. He does have sort of this mentality of that he does know best. And I think that's true of any leader in the family. What was interesting to me too, in the early years was how he was, how he discovered Selena could sing he's teaching AB how to play guitar.
So, you know, there's that natural transition of. Talented somewhere, musically, I'm going, I'm going to teach my family. I'm going to bring my family along with me. There's a natural assumption that it's going to be, you know, if you're a man. If you're the father, it's going to be your son. Like that's a thing.
Right. And so he's there sitting at the kitchen table and then he hears like little Salinas thinking and it's like massive pipes for a child and it totally shifts gears. So that leads us into talking about AB and Suzette, because I have so much
Christina: to say,
Julia: okay, cool. Cause I'm, we're here for it. Cause I, I feel for AB in the sense of like, He's got a lot of pressure on him.
His dad isn't as generous with him as he is with Selena and the sense of like creativity, not creativity, but in the sense of like, he doesn't feel, it doesn't feel like AB is as supportive. As Selena is. And I don't know if that's accurate or if that was for dramatic effects, but it made me feel for AB because it was like all this pressure on him to be creative and innovative and do something that can transcend, you know, not just in a Latin album, but also eventually a crossover at some point that's a lot of pressure.
Christina: Also the fact that like he never gets to enjoy it. Like he literally. Second. He is done creating his dad's like, okay, make more. It's not like good job. It makes me so sad for him because it's like, you know, he's working so hard to be noticed and he's not getting the, the notice that he wants, which only makes them work harder because that's what guys do.
And he's literally like working himself down. Ah, you just like you can't help. And then I also feel for him in the sense that like, it's got a suck. I don't, I mean, I don't know what the dynamic is in a band, but it's always, probably like a little bit. Like sucky for anyone in a band, like compared to the lead singer, but imagine does anybody siblings, siblings, and then your parents or your managers, like that's a family dynamic.
That's got to have some weight to it that it's just complicated to talk about and to really get
Julia: into, especially considering that he was being Abraham was pouring his musical hopes and dreams into. Before he heard Selena thing. So to be aware of that transition, yes. How do you let go of that to move on?
I mean, he did such a great job of being such a supportive brother, doing what he was supposed to do for the band to be successful. But man, to sit on the sidelines and swallow that every day and pretend to be okay with. I can't wait
Christina: for part two. I hope like, because obviously like in the movie you can only get so far, you got like an hour and a half to tell the whole story.
And then the Netflix series, I feel like they still rushed it. The season one, they rushed. I feel like so much. I don't know how long of a series it's going to be. I don't know like how much they want to tell. I don't know if there's going to be more of like an afterlife
Julia: or after death. I think rushing the early years was intentional because.
They make a very quick reference. I want to say it was in towards the end, maybe episode seven or eight, where there's that push that somebody needs to manage a fan club for Selena. And that's when we get that quick introduction to Yolanda. Can I just show you my notes really quick? Did you find them?
Christina: Cause the whole time I'm watching this says in all capitals
Julia: for no one who got. Fuck
Christina: Yolanda. And it's underlined because I mean,
Julia: it, that such quick short reference in that episode may not want to meet her. Well, it makes me think. That they might go into more in depth. So having only known the J-Lo Selena and knowing who Selena is because of the J-Lo movie and then learning a little bit more about Selena slowly over the years, watching the series really intrigued me because now I'm like, I know why does, like they said, oh, Yolanda, blah, blah, blah.
And thank you for joining our team. I'm thinking, why does that name sound familiar? You know, Saldovar I believe. Yeah. So I look her up and I'm reading granted Wikipedia is not a source that we were allowed to use when I was in college, but it's great for quick, quick references. And so I'm reading the Wikipedia page and I was like, oh my gosh, I, I didn't register that.
That's the name of the woman who killed her. And that just, I was like, This is going to be so much bigger in part two, if they address it in part two, because that quick demonstration of her kind of being like a fan girl, but sort of also implying that maybe she's not
Christina: so okay. There's a lot. Yeah. I'm taking it away to go there.
What I would say though, like getting back to AB because we haven't even gotten to Suzanne and I really, oh yeah. We need to talk that through this poor Suzette is a middle child and we just pulled the middle child syndrome by forgetting her, her out of the conversation
Julia: after introducing her. Yeah.
Christina: I love her.
I love that. She went with the drums, even though she didn't want to. I love that she supports her sister. So much, she is her biggest fan and it doesn't ever seem like she's jealous, at least from what we can see, but that's what I'm actually curious about. And what I would love for them to do in part two is show us more of abs live, show us more of Suzette's light, show us these people and show us how they felt during all this time.
Because if I'm not mistaken, Suzette's one of the producers on the show,
Julia: right? Like this, I didn't, I didn't look that deeply. And I.
Christina: I believe I like, I need to look again, but I believe that she is one of the producers and the reason that like the series is supposed to be better is because they're supposed to get more of like an in depth, you know, land family.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, like, but I also just found out that Abraham. Because I follow the Selena page on Facebook still, even though I barely go on Facebook, the Abraham is going to write a book and I've just, I can't wait for him to do that. And I can't, I hope that there's an audio book and I hope he reads it and I hope I get to listen to it.
Julia: But if not, I will read the book.
Christina: Like of course I just, like, I think it would be awesome to hear. I would love to hear more of the family's point of view, you know, because I think that there's way more of a family dynamic here. We focus so much of course, on Selena because she's, you know, We're all grieving, but I think that it's important to focus on the people that are still living and what it did to them before and what it does to them after, you know,
Julia: I really did love there that they were getting a little bit bigger.
There was a scene in one of the later episodes where this gal is just so excited that they're coming to town. You see this fan scenario, you're assuming she's excited about Selena. And then at the end, when she comes up to the book, And talks to Suzette and Suzette's like, oh, you know, Selena she's I don't remember if she said she's done signing autographs or she'll be out in a minute or she's in the bus.
I can get her. And the girl, the fan girls, like, no, I, I it's you, I want the autograph of it's you. I wanted to meet. And she's just like, oh my gosh, really loving. That was such a sweet moment. And it really made me happy because see, Suzanne is such a great. Big sister. She is loving. She is supportive. She is encouraging.
She reassures Selena. When people try to make her feel bad about who she is and what she, how she wants to be represented. And she just really is in her corner. And I love that about her so much so that when we met bill.
Oh, my God, the actor's so hot. How could you not remember that? Okay.
Christina: Okay. Sorry. I thought you were saying mean you met so a named bill. I'm like, no, no,
Julia: not us. I don't know anybody named bill. I really love their meet. Cute. I don't know if it's true. I don't know if it's accurate, but in the series, their meat queue is so adorable because one of the band mates has to go do something and Bill's at his sister's house or somebody's house could watch the kids cause something's happened and blah, blah, blah.
And then they walk in and she's just like, And he, you know, he's, you know, that dumbfounded like, oh, you're pretty in something, something in my heart jumped and he has the same look on his face and I'm just like, get it, girl, you need love. And not because like, people need love, but because I can only imagine what it's like being an only child and feeling like you're always passed over in that way.
Yeah,
Christina: I'm curious because you did point out that the focus, uh, for music was on AB and then to Selena, like, was there ever a time where it was on Susan or did it just go from a B to Salina? And if so, how did that make Suzette
Julia: feel? Yeah.
Christina: You know? Yeah.
Julia: Because they just sort of imply in the series two, that Suzanne is not really that talented, AB even says in another episode that she can't really keep up with the beat that they need and sort of starts, you know, kind of gives these implications that she's not at the level that he and Selena are, but he never ever says anything to her face.
He only ever said it to Abraham,
Christina: I think too, it just like, I think the family band started so young. So part of it. Her siblings were in it, so she probably wanted to be in it. And then, but her passion isn't there. That's why it's so interesting to see how big of a fan she is to her own siblings. Like especially Selena where, and I love that she constantly.
Pushed her to do anything, not just music where she's like, oh, you like fashion do
Julia: that. Oh, I loved that. I love
Christina: that. So encouraging if it's like, she's like you liked the boy, like, okay. Like she was just such a good big sister,
Julia: which she wasn't really super keen on her liking boys. But
Christina: I mean, like in the sense that like, she was a lot more easy going than I would say most sister dynamics.
Yeah. And she was more protective in a reasonable way instead of a, like, Just be in a big sister, like
Julia: snap, there was a point in the show that really affected me in a way that just, I feel as universal that I'd like to touch on. If I may, when thank you. When the restaurants.
Christina: No. Okay.
Julia: So there's a point where their restaurant is just really struggling and they apply for what was known back then as food stamps.
It is now known as the snap program and it's the government assistance to purchase food. And they're standing in line and this woman says, oh, I know you are here. That little girl that sings that, you know, whatever the name of the restaurant is. I can't remember. It was. He and Abraham just feels embarrassed moment and shame.
And like, they shouldn't be there. And like, they, don't just not that they don't deserve the assistance, but there's just this overwhelming sense of like I've failed when you go and ask for government assistance. I have been in that position multiple times in my adulthood, in my parenthood. There's a stereotype that we think of when people need government assistance.
We think of them as being super poor, kind of dirty, all the villainization that poverty that are associated with poverty. Right? Like, yeah. So here's the. Well dressed well-groomed man and his family, and they need help. So immediately people, you know, he's thinking people probably assume that we don't need the help or we shouldn't get the help, or we don't deserve the help or whatever the mental mind fuck is behind that.
And I felt like anybody who's ever been in that position, regardless of background, in terms of racial background and cultural background, that is a universal feeling. If you've been in. Yeah. Like the transcends that transcends so many barriers, that socioeconomic
Christina: experience,
what
Julia: I found interesting. When the band gets a record deal with EMI, how there was this push from Abraham and I respect it to also have the option to do a record in English and how they kept getting promised.
Oh yeah, it'll happen. It'll happen. It'll happen. She releases this record. She does a music video. It's, you know, a big hit yada yada, yada. And then Abraham is like, okay, now let's talk about the English record and the. No, we need another one in Spanish. He feels betrayed. And I feel like that's such at least portrayed in pop culture.
I don't know if it's true because I've never tried to pursue a music career because at best I'm a backup singer, but Abraham looks so betrayed. And that's such a common thing we see in these music, excuse me, music deals in these music biopics, or even like fictionalized music
Christina: stories. But I would say like, I would just say music in general, because I mean, if you watch Queens stories, Got crapped on the whole time too.
Julia: And then I'm saying like, it's we see this portrayed. So that's Villa, you know, that's showing that the music industry has a very specific purpose for you. And even though you have a unique sound, they're still going to figure out how your sound fits within their brand. And which, which ultimately changes your sound, right?
Like, it was very important for Selena to do an album in English. And, but nobody at the record label cared. They wanted her, nobody for the Latin community.
Christina: And on top of that, Abraham is also recognizing the fact that like Selena had wanted to do, you know, focus being on Mexican American, which is making that English album.
And that's what he's pushing for. Put in this box that he was trapped in himself, which is no, you only are Mexican. You only speak Spanish, you know, like you don't do this kind of music. And it's like, don't put me in this box when you told us that we were going to diversify and make ourselves like, be able to like.
Literally bring the two cultures together and now you want to make them two separate things, which is what we're literally, it gets. That's not the point. The point is to be like we, I learned my dad's culture to, you know, keep that alive and he's learning hours to keep, you know, to keep growing and we're bringing these two together and instead we're continually putting these people in boxes and.
That's a comment. That's a common thing in the mixed experience is putting people into boxes instead of just letting people celebrate all of what
Julia: they are. That's pretty typical where it's like, you don't get to decide what you are. We decide what you are. And that's, that's very resonant in the mixed community because.
There's so much othering and misidentifying that happens in the mixed community, whether it's, oh, you look like a light-skinned black woman. So I think that your mono-racial or you present as white or whatever it is like after we had a conversation about our mixed experiences episode, a couple episodes ago, I had another conversation with a friend of mine.
Who's half Mexican and. She was like, my name's hella white. I look like, I look, she's like, I look white. And so here's a mine. Here's something that's going to blow your mind. Oh, I'm ready.
Christina: Like decaf coffee again. Cause that messed with me
Julia: for days at most with you, Selena would be 50 this year. If she were still with us.
Christina: That messed me up a lot. Um, it messed me up cause it also realized that one, I am, I think I'm her age that she passed away at
Julia: 2 23. She was, it was a month before 24th birthday. I did Google that.
Christina: Okay. Thanks. I read some that somewhere very in factual things, which is funny because I remember her being in, like, I remember it being.
Young twenties. And then I read something where it said 27 and I was
Julia: like, that seems wrong, but all right, there is a category of musicians who have died at 27. The ones that come to the forefront of my mind are Jimmy Hendrix, Janice Joplin, Kurt Cobain, Amy Winehouse. So there is sort of this weird thing about being a musician.
And 27 and sort of dying in some interesting sort of way. Like Amy Winehouse was a drug overdose. Kurt Cobain was a gunshot wound. Jimmy Hendricks, I believe was also a drug overdose and same with Janis
Christina: Joplin. And we're like a bunch of them suicide. Well,
Julia: technically Kurt Cobain's death was ruled, you know, death by suicide.
I'm pretty sure. I know for a fact, Janis Joplin's was a drug overdose. I feel like Jimmy Hendrix was too. I think it was maybe it involved heroin. I'd have to double-check in the nineties. I spent way too much time obsessed with the sixties and seventies era. And I think it's because that's when my parents were in like their heyday.
We've talked about my parents before, but they married in 1971 and they dated for a handful of years before then, around 12, I became very obsessed with. Pop culture. This is probably where my obsession with pop culture comes from. I became very obsessed with like pop culture and the counterculture because we grew up listening to all that music.
But also because like I knew that I knew at a very early age that interracial marriages were not legal until 1968 on a federal level. Like that's a random, weird thing for an eight year old to know, but I knew that's
Christina: not a weird thing for an eight year old
to
Julia: know. I feel like we should all know that.
The amount of people who don't know that still to this day is really upsetting. Um, but so I just threw myself into the era. That was my parents' youth to
Christina: get okay. To like, if I needed to,
Julia: I needed to know I needed to know why it was okay. That I existed. I needed to know why my dad loved listening to the beach boys, but also Motown.
Like I just threw my self in.
Christina: What's weird is I also got re like when, when I was in high school, I got very fascinated to what my parents listened to in high school. I literally, I remember going to a water polo tournament. It was junior Olympics, and I had my iPod. I had a playlist on there as my mom and dad saw when I was in high school.
It was the ones that weren't phones. It was an
Julia: actual iPod. It doesn't matter. Christina, we had disc men try running track. I didn't run track
Christina: I was an 18 year old, basically. I was almost an adult now, 17, but still like I was, I wasn't like I was young when it was out, you know,
Julia: was like, listen, here's our age gap. When I was a senior in high school, my parents were like, oh, you got some A's, we're going to give you a cell phone. And that was fucking huge because nobody except for the rich kids had cell phones in school.
They were not as common as they are now. Even 17 years ago when I had my child, we still had like a version of that Nokia phone that everyone's like, oh, this is weird. It's archaic. I'm like, that's like, we had to press it three times to get to the letter.
Christina: J if we wanted to text. Yeah.
I was in middle school when like the Nokia, like the snake version. The phone that you could run over with a car
Julia: and it just wouldn't die.
Christina: It
Julia: was just a brick, like an item that you could confiscate when I was like the campus security and teachers like, oh, you have a cellphone do that. You it's locked in my drawer.
Your parent needs to come get
Christina: it now. No, we weren't allowed to have them at school. Like it was the often put away. Strict. I mean, strict in the sense of like, they could compensate your phone and no one was causing a tizzy about anyone taking someone's phone, your parent was like, yeah, well, you shouldn't have had it on you in class.
Julia: I told you to now these kids are like, kids are like using, and parents are so irate when they are taken away. Cause they're, they're like a thousand, 5,000 now, like literally was $60. Yeah. Well, don't
Christina: give a seven year old, a thousand dollar iPhone.
Julia: Oh man. Anyway, we digress. Okay, go ahead.
Christina: Oh, we were talking, we got lean up this year. We got so digressed. Yeah, that's weird. It was weird to think about the fact that she was a couple of years younger than my parents. I don't know. I guess like it's, it's so weird. How your brain doesn't like. Age people.
Julia: Yeah. Well, and I can't imagine, especially when somebody dies young, that's forever how they stay.
Um, and I, I was watching, you know, as part one ended, I was thinking, man, she had so much talent in so many different ways.
Christina: I know. Oh, okay. I had something on that whole. So I wonder where Salinas like true passion actually lied because she was so young. And so Mo like multitalented that it was hard to say that singing was going to be her biggest, like success.
We don't know, like she got so into fashion and she was so good at everything that she did and took on and she seems so excited to like start her farm and her family. And it's like, who knows that maybe who knows? She might've just like stopped after like one or two more albums and then raised a fan.
There's so many things that she could have done. And she really did. Sorry, go ahead. She felt like she could have come out with a makeup line. Cause she always, you know, like I know that they did end up coming out with like the lipstick line under her name. And I would love to get one of those that have yet to do that.
But like I wonder, like, I feel like she'd be someone who would get into that at some point or like skincare or like who knows what, but she did have
Julia: really for fashion. I mean, at least that's how they portrayed.
Christina: Definitely, but it will. She made all of them. All of their
Julia: costumes. Yeah. I love her statement when she made the statement about like, like someone's like calc and she's like, and she's basically the equivalent of like, trust me, badge.
Totally.
Christina: Everything worked. Oh my goodness. I love there's the purple like jumpsuit outfit that she wears. At like a certain show, like the Houston, Texas show. I want to be that for Halloween every year and every year I'm like, I can't do that. I can't pull that off. Like only Selena can pull that off, but it's like every year, it's my hope and dreams to have like a good enough body
Julia: to
Christina: do that.
And I'm like, no, it's not the year. And then I'm like, I'm getting older. It's never going to happen
Julia: if I don't do it now, now or never. Yeah. So when they brought Chris into the show, Chris Perez. I was like, why does this feel familiar? Like, cause you know, again, you know, a cursory knowledge of Selena's life.
I don't know. I don't have the same knowledge base. So again, clicking into Wikipedia, I was like, oh, Chris presses, her husband. Ooh. I just thought the unfolding of the relationship was really sweet. They had all these really sweet moments. You can tell. He genuinely loves her, at least based on the show.
Again, I'm basing it on the show. I don't know the history there. I don't know the aftermath, the immediate aftermath of her death and the devastation that, that caused. I would only know the historical references if I, as I embark on that, learning about that more, but I
Christina: know that he still. He still promotes her legacy.
He still loves her so much. Yeah. I like, I don't follow him closely at all. I mean, but every once in a while, like I'm just nosy and I'm like, what's Chris up to, and then I look and I'm like, I love that he stills, like Selena would have been this, this year. Like don't, you know, like let's not lose her love and light.
And he just like, he's constantly, still. Showing love towards the family too. Like he still like gets together with old bandmates and like, does reunion, like not reunions, but like they play together and like jam album posted. I went on a deep dive. Like, I don't know. I want to say like a year ago or something probably when all the Selena stuff came back out and I just got on social media and went down, but I was like, That makes me both happy and sad.
It's like a bittersweet.
Julia: Yeah. So then the representation of their love on the show is pretty accurate. Cause he, I mean, they're both those actors did such a good job at showing each other. The wigs, the wigs, Julie.
Christina: What were those?
Julia: First of all, I have a hard time with BayCare. Anyway, in general, whenever anybody has got a bad wig on, I noticed this meth, we live in the 21st century.
I know that there's better fake hair out there. I have
Christina: seen it. I have seen, I have seen just girls in my college
Julia: classes. Have better
Christina: fake hair attached to them. Then the, what? Th this is like Netflix series
Julia: or the actual anyway, but I felt also that it wasn't so bad, but also the hair in the nineties.
Wasn't that great. I was looking through old pictures and other day to tell you it was, it was not good. The hair from the nineties is not,
Christina: I'm definitely
Julia: not arguing, but also like the vintage vintage targets, like the target scenes gave me life. Cause I was like, that's the target of much.
Christina: I wonder what it was like
Julia: to this day and get, and get cranky.
Cause like shit, does it look the same or is it in the same spot within 30 years ago? Like, oh, on Julia,
Christina: they've redone it multiple times at this point and you're still mad.
Julia: Like the tapes are supposed to be right here. And then the kid's like, I don't know what a tape is.
He's all. Would you like a blue Ray? And you're like wanting a, Blu-ray like the combo packs on sale. There's a DVD
Christina: with it. Is that what you
Julia: want? You need it. Do you need a DVD? That seems like the DVD
Christina: players are on sale for 20 bucks. If you
Julia: want one you're scaring. This is the way
Christina: there's a woman here who's asking for.
Julia: What did you call it? That something called a cassette. I
Christina: don't even know.
Julia: Sounds fake or YouTube
Christina: video.
I don't know. He don't know. He said, sorry,
Julia: there, I still have cassette tapes from high school.
Christina: And my mix, some BD. I remember I had a boys to men cassette
Julia: tape boys to men, ABC, PC. Yeah.
Christina: I was just going to say that ABD, I have now the CD in my car, a 2009. And I'm not
Julia: upgrading that. No, you always knew that a boy he liked to, he made you a mix tape.
I wonder what the equivalent is now. Like, is it, are you spending, are you sending me like a Spotify link to a playlist? Uh, yeah. Oh, that's not very romantic.
Christina: I don't know. Cole sends us a playlist in the family group chat. It's nice. Cause then it's like, I don't have to look up songs. You send me a whole
Julia: playlist, very romantic about somebody taking the time and effort to organize a play.
I guess, you know, I guess
Christina: there's something so nice about someone sitting on Limewire
Julia: for eight hours illegally download music. Can we not talk about the early two thousands? You have no idea how traumatizing they can be. Firstly, let's leave. What do we want to see in season two, which drops on Netflix on May 4th,
Christina: better way.
I want more Suzette. I want more AB I want to know what they're like. I want to know how they're feeling. I want to know like what they're like outside of, you know, Selena in the band. Um, I want to get to know Celina's mom, man. We don't know anything about her. You know, like I honestly I'm getting so angry that I can't think of her name.
And now that I can't think of it, it's like purposely not going to come to me. But that's my point. Exactly. I don't know if I clearly, I didn't know enough about her in the movie. For me to remember, like the Abraham's name is set all the time.
Julia: Yeah. Well, he's such a prominent figure in her career. Yeah. Um, Marcel, our God in season two, I would like to see more of Suzanne and bill and not just because Bill's beautiful.
Firstly, we didn't even talk about it. How does Netflix find all these hot men to be in their shows?
Christina: Uh, they hire mixed
Julia: people. I mean, I don't know if any of these actors, besides the ones that, like, I'm just saying like that I, like there was four guys on the Selena series or they don't hire
Christina: seven people that all of Hollywood hires, they genuinely go out and find different actors that will fit different roles.
And they'll find them that fit better because it's like, yeah, we need more people that fit all these roles. You can't just keep putting one person in seven different roles.
Julia: They will, they do do that because there's a couple of people, um, There's a couple of serious, like the guy who's in Russian doll, he's in a bunch of Netflix stuff.
Like he's in like four or five different Netflix shows
Christina: and Netflix is better about like handpicking actors and finding new actors to put into things though. Then like, I don't know, at least mainstream Hollywood.
Julia: Yeah. And I'm just over here, like, okay. We've seen like 20 Netflix series in the last five months and now there's.
70 more beautiful men in my life. You know, they just can't seem to not hire like really attractive men. And I'm okay with that. I'm here for it. I'm here for.
Christina: I
Julia: mean, we can get that flicks
Christina: where to go. I want more representation
Julia: for ugly people. If there's, if somebody is a talented actor or actress, it really shouldn't matter what they look like.
Exactly. Case in point Jack Nicholson. So let me be in a. Oh, my
Christina: number. Okay. Can I send you this? Perfect. Perfect. You said Jack Nicholson. I have the perfect picture to send
Julia: you and you will laugh your
Christina: butt off because I found out very uncomfortably one summer when a friend took my picture in the pool, that being Jack Nicholson have the same smile when we're laughing too intensely.
And it's terrifying. And I will send
Julia: you the picture that she took. It looks like
Christina: me. Okay. It looks like me. And then I'll show you the picture I put next to it. And you're gonna, you're gonna want to put it up when we post this podcast because it is, it's hilarious.
I posted it on my own Instagram stories and I said, I cry laughing at this discovery about myself.
Julia: We'll do a poll because I feel like you think that you look like Jack Nicholson, but maybe you don't actually. Look like him and you just look like a beautiful person laughing. I don't
Christina: think so. If so then Jack Nicholson is also a beautiful person laughing
Julia: because maybe he was a bad example.
There are some actors out there I'm just like, you're a normal looking human. And I appreciate that you exist as a actor because you're actually really talented. I will say I am. Yeah. He's just like a basic looking dude. He's just basic.
Christina: I mean, he's not bad looking. He's just basically he looks like a person.
He just looks like a person, but he's so talented, which means he brings a
Julia: lot to the table. Yeah. I told my son, I said, we need to go through Phillips. Hoffman's catalog because he's so talented and his acting brevity, I guess, or whatever his resume is just so expansive that you forget that it's the same actor in all of these different.
But yes, you can embody that character that such Meryl Streep like that to Denzel does a great job. And
Christina: we can have a conversation about Freeman. I love Morgan Freeman. Oh my goodness. Speaking of Morgan Freeman, I heard a podcast this morning. It was a guy that did voices and they're talking about their traumas and he does a great Morgan Freeman voice.
And so anytime he didn't want to cry, he would just tell his story. And Morgan Freeman slowly, and it made me. It's so hard like him on the podcast and be in my room, getting ready.
Julia: I love that. Um, so I'm excited for season two. I think I need to do an education more so about the Mexican American experience, because that's, like I said before, it's not really something I'm very aware of outside of the peripheral.
I
Christina: also just need to look up more actual factual things about Selena's family and life. And before we get to season
Julia: two, you know, I did learn a lot about Selena from the show I do. I did, I did watch the Jayla movie from 1997, but I think it's been maybe 20 years since I've seen. And I really did relate and identify with the narrative of the musician.
I have dated a musician in my life, several who had sort of these big dreams that never really like went anywhere. And that AB struggle of like home life and being successful. Like I kind of felt he, his wife was so supportive, so I'd like to see, does she continue to be supportive as they get bigger?
Like that would be an interesting area to explore in season two. Yeah.
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