Ginny & Georgia | 2
Show Notes:
Julia and Christina talk about the Netflix original Ginny & Georgia, motherhood, marriage, and what it's like being mixed in and watching this show.
Transcript:
Julia: Hey friends. Welcome back to Pop Culture Makes Me Jealous. This is your host, Julia Washington, and on today's show. Christina and I talk about Jenny and Georgia.
Christina: I don't want like three super hot.
Julia: Maybe that's just me to be
Christina: all like, Ooh, googly
Julia: eyed over Georgia. Like, oh, pick one. Some of us
Christina: aren't so lucky. I don't know all of their feelings. Like I couldn't hurt that baby feeling. They're all so nice in their own way.
Julia: Plus there's history with on like that kind of a BFD, you know.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Before we really dive into this conversation, we have a really quick
Christina: message for you.
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Doesn't that sound exciting? Follow us on Instagram at pop culture makes me jealous. We will try really hard not to disappoint you. All right friends. This is Julia. I thought I'd hop on really quickly and say, spoiler. There are a lot of spoilers in this episode of pop culture makes me jealous. So if you haven't seen Jenny and Georgia yet, I suggest you watch the show and then come back to this episode and listen, we are not done talking about the show.
It has impacted us in such ways that we will be discussing I'm sure throughout the entire season this year. So without further ado
Christina: here, we.
okay,
Julia: Christina, I know that, you
Christina: know that
Julia: I watched Jenny and George real quick, Georgia, Janine and Georgia. Why do I want to keep saying Jenny and George
Christina: stupid? The point is Zuno shows have like a, like a female male name, like counter-argument. So. Natural. Yeah, I guess
Julia: anyway, so let's, let's talk, let's talk because I got a lot of thoughts.
You got a lot of thoughts and we got a lot of thoughts
Christina: to talk about thoughts. Thoughts is what she's saying, guys.
So let's just,
okay. Let's recap. One more time. I'm not going to dignify you with that. Um,
Jimmy and Georgia is. It's a Netflix series that it follows the, it follows Georgia Miller and her children. Um,
Julia: um, hold on, let me, let me pull up ID. I am DB so we can have like an actual summary description. I should have written one, but I was, you know, life's hard.
Christina: There we go. I just liked the fact that you knew her last name, like at me and you watch chosen differently.
I don't realize anyone's name until like episode six. And I'm like, still like, wait, is that guy named hunter? Is that hunter? Ginny and Jordan is about, um, a mother and daughter duo who Georgia. It
Julia: was 15 when she had the kit where her first, this is terrible.
Christina: okay. Here's the summary off of imdv.com. Ready? Jenny, Jenny Miller and angsty fifteen-year-old often feels more mature than her 30
Julia: year old mother, the irresistible.
Christina: Georgia Miller. I love
Julia: that there is a television show that exists now, and more television shows are doing this, which is great, where the lead character is mixed race.
And one of the reasons
Christina: why. Jenny's so much more than maybe some of the other ones is because I identify so strongly
Julia: with the black dad, white mom narrative, because that's my, that's my family dynamic. There's so many things about like, Jenny's relationship with her mom, not the toxic shit, because her mom's hella toxic, but like, but like just the bonding stuff, I'm just like, I totally relate to that sort of tone and like, I feel.
Christina: Yeah. And then like what I also loved, this is stupid, but
Julia: what I also love, so Jenny's, dad's name is Zion, who is probably one of the hottest men in the show. So
Christina: we didn't get enough of that. He is, he is beautiful. He better be back for if there's more seasons. I want him back more. Yes. But I love that he rode a motorcycle because
Julia: also my dad wrote right.
Rode
Christina: motorcycle. Really quick. I'm so sorry. Really has we're on the subject of Zion and he didn't get enough time in the show. So he's going to get enough time for this God damn podcast. I love that they also have, they showed his family being the put together family. Yes. And not, and not George's because that's just as common as a situation and that's not portrayed on TV enough.
And I just like it, that bugs me so much. And I was so happy to see that, like, I see so many hot mess moms with like dads that really are there and trying their best, but they're poor trade. Like they're not. Yeah. And I just like that, I liked that they showed that is all I got to say. Yeah. I, I agree with you on that.
One of the things that like, I've
Julia: always struggled with television sometimes is that like my, my
Christina: dad's side of the family
Julia: was always very polished, very,
Christina: um, um, sophisticated,
Julia: even though they weren't wealthy, you know what I mean? So like, there's all these things that. I don't see a lot of that represented in pop culture.
And that's a struggle for me because it's not representative of my experience, which whatever.
Christina: And I really like that you say polished without being wealthy, because I think that's a. I don't know, coming from like a Mexican family that such a thing. Like we, we want to, we want to look put together. We want to look like we have, we wanna, we want to look white.
We want like, we wanna look like all the white people, but then you come over here. It's all held together by glue and tape
Julia: really. But
Christina: I mean like it's just because it's like, it's, it's a facade. Yes, yes. For me, that was really exciting to see somebody. I mean, granted, you know, I'm
Julia: old enough to be this child's
Christina: mother.
Um, but it, it shows me that you're never too old
Julia: to see yourself in a character when you've never seen yourself in a character
Christina: before. Oh, that's such a good line. I like that. I feel like what's funny. Okay. I will say what's funny about that though, is I don't think, I think looking like the in-care like the character is important.
That's super important, but I would say that like there's so many times in TV history. Like watch something where I'm like, they get me and look like me at all. But they said everything that was in my mind, or they said, or showed everything that I do or portray. And it's like, it's, that's, what's so nice about TV, all the different types of dynamics and all the different types of skins and people in situations.
And that's what, like, they start to feel like we're starting to tap into now more. More nowadays. I was going to say now a days more
days now. All right. Can we talk about Schitt's Creek at some point? Cause Moira is an idol. That's a different day.
Julia: I also wanted to talk about all of Georgia's relationships.
Christina: Tap into it. What do you want to talk about? So like, okay.
Julia: So, you know, I'm a solo mom and I have been for a very, very long time. So like when her kids are so like, please mom, no men this time, it was like, how, like, that's never been the way I've operated as a parent.
No men are first. Like I don't have, I haven't had a relationship in a really long time. And like, finding that balance between your relationship and your child is interesting, but like,
Christina: I, it just broke my heart that like, her kids were like that her
Julia: kids were like, you know, please mom, like not this
Christina: time, like, let's
Julia: sit just the us this time.
Like that just
Christina: made me really, really sad. .
Julia: Yeah.
Christina: Like her kids didn't
Julia: feel like they came, that they were important. Like that's what it made
Christina: me feel like. I will say I struggle a lot with like, I don't, I know that every single person has their own set of struggles and their own set of capabilities. So I'm not someone that wants to shame anybody, but towards the end of the season, There was like a Georgia said to her friend after not telling her friend that her son was sneaking in the window.
Like, I feel like a bad mom. And part of me wanted to be like, yeah, home girl, you made some bad choices as a mom. Like, and I feel like, I know that like, mom shaming is bad, but we also, as a society need to get to a point where like we're helping people so that we feel like we can actually come to them. So we're not.
She has anyone to go to. So she makes all these irrational choices, which tends to make her seem like a bad mom, but she's doing her best in her mind to be the best mom and seeding in a way. And it's like, how do we. How do we keep seeing this narrative over and over and over and how do we fix it so that people stop shutting down and going into survival mode and pushing everyone away and making bad choices instead of just going like, I need fucking help, man.
How do we break that down? I feel like that's what it taps into showing. No matter what you do as a mom, you're going to be the bad guy in someone's eyes at some point, because the next generation is always going to be an improved version.
Julia: Yeah. And it's interesting that you say survive because like, that's one of the things that I noted when I was watching the show, like Georgia's only been allowed to survive.
She's never really been allowed to live. And so anytime anything sort of starts to threaten her survival, she has to go into defense mode and weather. We agree with how she defends herself. Like it makes me think and reflect on all of the times as a parent when I've been in, okay, I'm on defense and I have to survive the extremes that she goes to for her survival.
On the one hand, we have this concept of like, those things are like fundamentally wrong. We all know that murder is bad and we all know that like, abuse is bad. But then when you put it in this gray context of like she's 15, 28, whatever, trying to survive to make it with her kids. So she can still have her kids and love her kids and be with her kids.
It's not as cut and dry. Like it creates this sort of like conflict, at least within me where it was like, what would I be willing to do to survive if like my life Lee hood was threatened in that way too. Can we just like, when, when Jenny's indignation about like what the little brother's name is, his dad, Austin, Austin, and how she was like, did you, did you catch it when she was like, Jenny's like, I mailed the letters to Austin's dad.
Cause he has a right, blah, blah, blah. And Georgia was like, did you put a return address on them? I was, yeah. Oh shit. That's going to be, if that doesn't come, if they don't come back for season two, if they come back for season two and then don't bring that up in season two, I'm going to be really disappointed because you know, that's going to be a huge part of why Georgia operates in this level of mystery in her
Christina: life.
Yes. Um, it's one of those things, I guess that always comes full circle to where, like, you really don't know the whole story, you know, somebody's whole stories and you have every right to feel the feelings that you're feeling in that moment that that's anger that this, but you don't have a right to. I don't know, make choices about someone else's life in that complicated and gray with parents and children, because how do you tell your kid to keep them safe, versus how much do you tell them so that they get to grow up knowing?
And it's like, obviously we don't have anything this shit level, but it's like, I constantly weigh that out with my own, like my own kid. I'm like, Hm. What does he need to know how much does he need to know? It's a constant in every age that they get you constantly way out, you don't realize how much you have to wait.
The little tiny nuggets of info that they get to know each year more and more. And then it sucks because no matter how you do it, they're going to find out the whole story at some point, without, without you being the one to tell them whatever that story is. And it's not going to go well because they're getting.
Feelings about
Julia: it. Yes.
Christina: That's the shitty part about being a parent? Just throw that out there. Like if anyone is thinking about being a parent, like just to know from here the second, third board until the day you die, that's all you're thinking about is how do I not hurt my kids? But how do I not hurt my kid down the road by doing something right now George's faced with from the time that she's 15.
And when you think about that at 15, if you were faced with all these giant decisions, could you say that you would have made rational ones? Well,
Julia: and I think too, if you have like a pot, like a healthy support system, you know, that also changes the outcome. What I
Christina: thought was. Yeah. What I
Julia: thought
Christina: was interesting was
Julia: yeah, what I thought was interesting was, um, Zion's parents, the flashback designs, parents wanting to like be guardians and all this stuff.
And, you know, as a person who had a child super young, like I felt her George's pain when she was, you know, felt threatened that they were going to take her child away in hindsight now. In hindsight now it's like, no, they understood better that this is hard. It changes your life. They have very clear understanding of what you are losing, which you don't know that at 15 or 20, you don't know what you're missing at that age.
And then. And so they're not saying, Hey, we're going to take your baby away from you. Her parents, his parents were saying, we're going to have guardianship. So that way you can still have the flexibility and freedom of being a teenager while still like you. But yes, you still have the, you know, mom role, but we're going to shoulder the burden.
We're going to shoulder that big burden of that legal guardianship.
Christina: Which again, shows how incredible of a family that Zion came from. And again, reiterate how great it is that we're showing those kinds of characters on television now. And like that side of the story. And we're also showing the side. Even if the dad's not there, that does not mean he did not want to be.
That does not mean that he's absent. And it does not mean that he's not trying everything to be there because I think a lot of the time, um, and I'm not, I don't mean this to offend anyone, but a lot of the time, no matter what you are as a mom, if you're a single mom, you just automatically get a late. Of like, well, you're doing it on your own.
So you're doing great type of things and the same with like single dad, but it's like, I feel like moms get like a little extra like, oh, well she had to do all this on her own, but it's like, well, she didn't have to, she had great support in the dad and with the dad's family and she chose that and it's like, we don't always hear or get to see that side of stories in people's lives too.
And that's, what's nice about. Show that on TV where it's like, just stop juggle situations because you don't know that absent fathers probably not, you know, or not, probably not. They just might not be absent. They might not have gotten the fucking choice, like, and that sucks, but it's great that we're finally showing these stories on TV.
Like, because I feel like that's also way more common than people think of.
Julia: Yeah. So, um, I don't disagree with you. I would love to, well, I did actually have a supportive grandparents situation on either side. We're not going to talk about that though. Um, One of the things that you and I talked about offline that I want to bring into this conversation is so Jenny ends up having this boyfriend, hunter, who is so adorable and just this little guy, um,
Christina: we are, oh my God.
Julia: His, his like kindness and love and generosity. Yes, please. Can we make that into a 40 year old man? So I wanted to recap, Ginny's also got a situation where, you know, there's this boy next door. Who's like, okay. Full confession. I had to Google the boy that plays the boy next door, because I was like, oh wow, he's beautiful.
Oh, wow. I feel gross. And I had to like Google to see what year he was born to make sure that I wasn't like, oh, we gotta
Christina: talk about that one day. The age and TB and like how you're allowed your age in real life. That's a different
Julia: thing, but it, it like, it like his, like the attractiveness was just like, this is not appropriate for you to be in high school and not attractive.
So, so there's the boy next door then there's the boy at school hunter. The boy next door also happens to be going to the school as well. So that's like Jenny Jenny's little triad, so, but okay. The conversation we had offline. And I think it was episode nine, eight or nine. Jenny and hunter have a massive fight and they're basically playing and they're basically playing the, who's got a harder oppression game, which is totally like.
I don't know in your experience, Christina, but in my experience, that's totally like a reoccurring theme. Oh, well, your life isn't that hard because you look other, you don't look black, these stereotypes that, you know, darker women get don't apply to you. Okay. Fair. I, I recognize that I have light skin privilege.
I understand that. And I. Bear responsibility to help uplift voices that are darker than I am, and nothing can be accomplished when you start doing the Myer. Oppression is harder to deal with in your oppression.
Christina: I mean, that goes to say, it would just say like in arguments in general, like when you're arguing with someone, if you're going to just keep going, like, well, I do this, or I do that and you do that.
Like, that's just a shitty way to argue. So of course, when you talk about oppression or you talk about racism, it's gonna, because it all feels different because we all have different experiences with it.
Julia: Yeah,
Christina: and we can't really understand the other people's because what sucks about racism is certain or some people aren't racist to all types of people.
Some are just racist to select types. And so sometimes you get selective racism. And so that feels differently versus someone who's racist against everyone where you know that you can, me and you might share experiences who, you know, in that sense where I have different experiences from you because of our two different, you know, backgrounds.
And I think that's where. The arguments are never going to work. Yeah.
Julia: And I, what was interesting to me about their fight was I totally related to Jenny's frustrations, right? Like she's in this English class. I mean, I was lucky enough to have English teachers who were like, oh, you're kind of smart in this area.
Great. That's awesome. So I didn't experience that in high school, but I did experience that sort of level of like, oh, you're going to have to catch up and you may not be good enough for this class in college. So her coming at hunter with this conversation of like proving myself, being angry, coming across as being an angry black girl, like, oh my God, like it hits so hard.
But then what I didn't expect when hunter was talking about when he goes to Taiwan, And how it feels like in America being Taiwanese, he's just Asian. And then when he goes to Taiwan, he thinks that it's going to be, he's going to find peace and comfort and like his people, but then he's treated like he's white.
And like, I didn't expect to like, feel like that was going to be relatable, but it was because like, that's sometimes how it feels when you're like, at least in my experience when you have this buyer by cultural existence. Right. Especially when you grew up in a predominantly white area, like we have where it's like, oh, oh, you're dark or than me.
So you're not, you're not like me, but then you go into the other end and they're like, oh, you're a. Sure than me, but you're not like me. So it's like, well, what am I like then? Damn it. So like his, his moment of like, it is like, there's no place for me to fit. I was like, oh my God, hunter. I feel that speech
Christina: so hard.
I, yes. Okay. I say that, I feel that as well in the sense of like, Depending on what time of the year it is. I will get different comments made towards me and at me because of my skin tone changes so much and I can get very, very, very painful. So I look very white depending on the type of makeup I do or how I do my hair.
If it's colored a little bit, a certain way or whatever, and then in the summertime, or if I've just been outside too much or, you know, and I just let, like my natural news show, it's like, then I get very dark and I get all these very dark features and all of a sudden. I'm no longer fitting in with the people that once made me feel like I fit in.
And I don't know how to explain that to people because they don't get it. So it's like, you're constantly feeling like you constantly feel like a sham in your own body because. Just, I mean, I will say this till forever. Like in the movie, Selena, Abraham says this and I, it stuck with me ever since I was a kid you're never going to be American enough for the Americans and you're never going to be Mexican enough for the Mexicans.
You have to be more American can then be Americans and you have to be more Mexican than the Mexicans and it's exhausting. And it's like, that's how you feel as like someone who lives in two different. I don't know, like. I don't even know how to word that, but it just, you constantly are a battle with yourself where you're like, I'm, I'm white and you're sitting there.
You're like, yeah, why I do all these white things. And then you're like, that's racist to say that. And then you're like, no, I'm Mexican. I do all these Mexican things. And you're like, that's fucking racist to say that. And you're like, I'm racist. What to myself. And then I'm just sitting here having a problem because I'm like, I don't, why is everyone made me feel like, shit about me?
And yet I'm just sitting here. Like, can I just have a tortilla and some Mac and cheese and y'all can leave me alone and like all decide for myself what I am.
Julia: No. So it's interesting too, that you make that quote from Selena because when. I forget specifically what work it was by w E B D boy. Um, but he's speaks of this double consciousness, like being a black man in America is like having a double consciousness because you have to live in a white world, but you're still like part of this black culture, this black community.
When I, when we studied that in college, it really resonated with me because I felt. When you live in sort of this bicultural experience, especially in the, in the states. I can't, I don't know about any other country. I've never lived anywhere else. I've only lived here, but when you live in sort of this like bicultural existence, and then you leave your bubble, your family bubble of like, this is where we fit and you go out into the world and then the world's like, Hmm.
You don't fit. What are you? And it's just kind of like, w what, what do you mean? What am I like? The love that I've been asked is ridiculous. And like, now, as an adult, I'm like, oh, that shit's actually really offensive. I
Christina: wish I had known her. It's the
Julia: worst. Like, I wish I had known that that was offensive twenty-five years ago.
So I could have been a better advocate for myself, but I think what's so, what's so fabulous or not. What's so fascinating to me is I don't think that wind a boy wrote that statement. He would, he understood that there would be now. Generations of people of multifaceted backgrounds who could identify and relate to that statement of that double consciousness.
Christina: Yes. That's a, I think that's a great thought and yeah, I don't know if he realized the impact act that he was making by being able to put those words together because yeah, I understand. I can understand that. That's a very different thing that I will never understand, but I can understand the feeling of having almost two different consciousness, two different, like at play, like how do I exist in this space versus this space?
Julia: Yes. Code switching. That's the thing. And then I think I make people super uncomfortable sometimes because all like, kind of. A little too comfortable in who I am in a situation. And then I start saying things like the other day in a meeting, I was like, oh, you know, this, this date, this particular day is my birthday.
So do not call me before 10 or I'm going to have to take my earrings off. And like, I didn't. Thank you that that might make
Christina: some people uncomfortable. What's funny though, is, I mean, when you say that, you know, what I think of is my grandma telling me about her sisters in a high school, tiny little like scrappy, Mexican ladies would stick razors in their teas and then go fight people.
So when they would go and like wrap their hair, Fingers would get cut, but my grandma would say that shows, make sure she take her earrings out. And my grandma is like different earrings all the time. And so, like, I just don't anything like when you say those words, you're probably thinking of your own specific experience.
I'm thinking of very different one and it's hilarious.
It's a very different. It's a wonderful
Julia: one. Did you see any of the episode, 10 Taylor swift comment controversy. So a number of episodes, but I didn't catch it. So remember in episode 10, Jenny is so upset about, I think it was episode 10 about Georgia getting engaged and like all this stuff's popular. Um, and she's like, you've had more boyfriends than Taylor swift.
So then like fast forward. So this is the series drops fast forward a week in Taylor swift tweets. Hey Netflix way to have like a sexist statement or whatever she specifically says. Oh,
Christina: okay. Yeah. And do you remember that you heard about the drama? I thought it was from a different show though. So I was.
Julia: When that first happened, I was still early in the season in the series. So it was like, I don't, I don't know what what's happening. Like where, where is this? Because I haven't heard this yet. What's going on? And then, then I get to episode 10 and I was like, got it. Hey, Jenny and Georgia 2010 called and it wants it's lazy, deeply sexist joke back.
How about we stopped degrading, hardworking women by defining. Porsche as funny, also Netflix after miss Americans, this outfit doesn't look cute on you. Heart, the heartbreak emoji, happy women's history month, I guess. And so like I had this moment where it was like, Yeah. It bothers me that people give Taylor swift shit about how many people she stated.
Like, I think that's stupid. That's so stupid. Hello. Like the laundry list of men who have dated and who don't get that kind of attention. Right. Um, and then too, I had that moment, this moment,
Christina: let's just stop giving a shit. Whoever you want to put in your bed at night is your business. And let's put it out the door right there.
And that's it for every women, rabbits, everybody, because it's,
Julia: it's fruitless and it's, it's harmful in the sense of like, if you were not a heteronormative human, or even just like, if you were not a person who. Views relationships in the same way. Like we've had this conversation before. I don't know if I'll ever be married.
I don't know if I want to be married. I like having deep, emotional relationships with people, but I also like living alone. And I also know that not every relationship I entered to, whether it's a friendship or romance is going to last a long time. I've had people in my life. As friends that I appreciate them and I love them dearly, but our friendship has done.
It was only meant to last two years. And same with some people I've dated, like our relationship lasted six months. And that's exactly how long it needed to last end of story. Like this was not a thing that I needed to go longer.
Christina: We'll have to talk about the fact that like that's important for people like in the growth life experience that like these people come in and out of our lives.
Yes. Some people become pillars. People forever. Once they get there, they don't leave. But 90% of them are just filtering in and out and we need to stop perpetuating this idea that like one and done, no, you got to make some mistakes and live your life before you can find someone worth sticking around with not everybody
Julia: is worth being a main character in your life.
Some people are only worth two or three chapters and that's needs to be okay. My parents have been married for 50 years and that blows my freaking mind because I'm just, there were so young when they got married that I'm just like, who would you have been? And I think about this for myself too. Like, who would you have been if you hadn't gotten married at 21 and not in like a bad way?
Like I'm not bad
Christina: people. Yeah, I will say the older I get the cooler, my mom becomes because growing up, I thought she was a very scary lady, but now I'm like, no, she just kept it very real. And it's like, she was always really open and like powerful in the sense of. You do not need to settle down. You do not need a man.
You do not need a person to make you happy. Like you go be a lady, you go live your life. You go do whatever you want. If someone is there and they make you happy, that's wonderful. But like be you first. Yeah. And then everything else is a bonus. And I was like, okay. And I didn't follow that at all. I still tried to like fall in love a shit ton of times and settle down with all these wrong people and I ignored it and then I found the right one and then I started going, my parents are right.
And then. I don't care if we get married or not, you're stuck with me. I really liked you.
Julia: Oh, that's sweet. I want somebody to be stuck with me to Georgia,
Christina: because let's talk about that though, because I don't even know where else to go with that. So having a bunch of boyfriends or dating or whatever, Georgia is a single mom now, and now she.
Spoiler she's engaged to this guy. What do you think about what he said? I feel like it was very mature of him, but also like a cocky move on his part to, um, kind of go about it the way he did when he was like, well, your relationship with Zion was just a thing that small and. You're going to be with me now.
Like we just talk about that because I have a lot of feelings about it and like, as much as the romantic in me wants to go, like, hell yeah. The like the woman in me wants to go like, fuck off.
Julia: So when she talks about how. Is her penguin penguins are one of my favorite creatures on the planet. I love that they mate, for life, I love that they've had, have had to be very adaptive in their environment, right?
Like birds, that don't feel like they're just so fascinating to me. So when that came up, that Zion was for penguin. I was like to me as a person who is a penguin appreciator, I was like, oh shit, she's tethered herself to Zion. And she doesn't want to be untethered from Zion.
Christina: That's what I feel like too, which is why the mayor's speech felt a little aggressive, not aggressive, but a very persuasive
Julia: and, but also naive because he's not understand like the story, like she told him that he like the penguin story, and he's still choosing to believe that this is. That he is non of no, of no.
Consequence of Zion is no consequence to Georgia. Like he's still choosing to believe that Zion is a small blip in her life that is no longer relevant. And having a child does not mean that you're still relevant in someone's life. I just needed to make that clear.
Christina: I won't hear you. The other thing is I was going to say like having a child with someone, maybe if they're not relevant to your life, but they're relevant to your child's life and your child's life is relevant to you.
So in a way, yes, you have to care for like, it's sucks to be on my end sometimes, but you, I understand that there has to care about his son's mother and I wouldn't want it any other way because it's like, yeah, that's the best way to care for our son is caring also about. What he cares about, which is his family.
And to tell someone like, I guess I'm just getting a little too aggressive, but that doesn't matter. Like bugs me. It bugs me when someone just writes people off and writes experiences off because that's not how life is. And it's like, We can't be so tethered to our own egos that we just go like, oh, well, like, because it's makes me insecure.
Like they're nothing like no fucking get over your insecurities and accept the fact that people have a place in our life for times. And that's okay. And that we can have special feelings for them that linger. That just mean that that time was special. It's not that that time still matters. If that makes sense.
It just means at that moment in time, it was a good. Yes, maybe.
Julia: Yes, no, no, no, no. I don't disagree with you. I have a different perspective and I think that. Of course, I think that in this scenario, and I'm not coming from personal experience because we both know that I've been a solo mom for a very long time.
I think in this scenario with the way that yacht, when they portray young Georgia and young cyan, the way that she looks at him, I also think that Zion's a little naive and thinking that they, that they would be successful together. I think that he doesn't understand that, but I think that Georgia wants to be with Zion, but she knows it won't work.
And that's, I think the biggest difference, because she's like, you are just going to leave. We it's like they both. They both have these big creative personalities, but they can't figure out how to co-exist together in that. Because
Christina: remember, I love that too. It's more like, I would say that Georgia knows that I don't know how to word this, but the reason it wouldn't work out is because I'm not going to say that.
I'm not saying Zion's too good for her, but the life that Zion lived is very different from. For experience and he might place judgements on her that she would make, it would make her feel so shitty. And she knows that. And so she protects her heart in a way by keeping him at a distance and stopping him, like with everyone else, just leaving all of it to her.
Yeah, leaving all of that darkness in herself and carrying that burden so that she doesn't feel the actual burden of getting hurt, like really hurt by love. She burns all the bridges first.
Julia: Yeah. Yeah.
Christina: Yep. I'm
Julia: just thinking and
Christina: reflecting. Are you, are you okay?
Julia: Okay, big question. Do we want a season two? Yes.
Christina: Yeah. I do want to see this because I need to know if Austin's going to get therapy. I love him and the poor kid needs help and I got so angry that she just didn't the kids. Yeah, we're just going to gloss over that.
I found a lot of things that was problematic. How do you feel about that before we go anywhere? What did you think about that whole scenario? So I think
Julia: it's interesting because I think that a mom who did not come from George's background of physical and emotional. Abuse and having to survive probably maybe would have had the response of like, oh, that's not okay.
Like, baby, what's wrong. Let's get you help the way that Jenny responded. Whereas who's literally whose motto is, what do we do for like what that person's a B and what do we do to BS, whatever that phrase is. So that's her motto. So for me, I. Wanted to be shocked that she wouldn't acknowledge it. This is a problem, but because of her background and her history and the way that the story was revealed to us in flashbacks, it was like, she probably doesn't see it as a problem because she's probably done similar things herself.
And we don't know the full extent yet. And it just breaks my heart that Jenny wants to get her brother help. And that Georgia is just the block, the block. That's like, no, we're
Christina: not doing that. And it breaks my heart when whenever children are being more responsible than their parents, always like, no. And I get the fact that.
There's going to be times where my kids more responsible than me, but I'm just saying like, when you see it, it's so heartbreaking for some reason. And it's because you see their maturity just rise up so quickly and then how quickly it fizzles back down. But it's like, ah, just to remind you that they're little people and I.
That's what makes it so hard is because it's like, yeah, they have all of these capabilities and we don't give them enough credit. And by not giving them enough credit is by not telling them as much as we. We should at times. And that's again where we come back with not knowing what to do, what's right for your children, but I know it's not letting him stab other children.
That's for
Julia: sure. I
Christina: have not been a parent long, but I, I will say that if your kid is harming themselves or others, you need to seek professional help.
Julia: To me, it was interesting that while Georgia is doing everything she can to like protect her children. The one thing that. Kept me from like the one thing that I sort of operated in was you can't be a bad kid because if somebody at school says, oh, this is weird behavior, I think something suspicious is going on at home.
That's going to blow up our life and you can't do.
Christina: Even though, like, even though
Julia: like nothing went bad was having, even though my home was like healthy and wonderful and all these things
Christina: on pepper, you're not
Julia: allowed to be a bad kid because on paper, I'm a single parent. I have two jobs I have, yes, I have a support system, but there's a big.
There's a big, but right. There's always that base,
Christina: but like,
Julia: right. But like that, and that, that didn't apply to parents, to kids who had two parents in the home, or even to divorce, like divorce parents, both parents are present people at the school didn't know who my child's father was until he showed up to a baseball game.
One day, I think we were in fourth grade. So.
Christina: Before you said that I would have never thought about that point of view and I would have never thought about that. So, yeah, that is interesting that she's just so nonchalant about it again, on so many points of view that she doesn't want to seek help for Austin, because she seems like she does genuinely.
Yeah, a good mother. And it seems like that's the most neglected thing that she's done. And I think that's why it bugs me so much. Yeah. No, because it doesn't make sense. Maybe, maybe. Yeah. Like what you're saying. If we get a season two, hopefully we can see why, like she just kinda did it. Touch on that. But yeah, it really makes me nervous.
Like, yeah, that's not a thing
Julia: because Austin's a sweet kid and he and his dad and his, dad's probably some sort of abusive dirt bag who maybe almost murdered Jenny and Georgia at one point. Like I'm thinking all the worst case scenarios, because why else would you not want that person to know where you.
Christina: But we have to talk about before we, like, I know we got to get off of this soon, but like, if you talk about really quick, when Jenny was like flashing back, realizing all this stuff about her mum, we totally touching her. So is it, you know, like was, are all of these situations and we we've already seen the flashback of the first husband.
He was a grumpy grope dude. Like they're not. Dudes and it's, and I'm not saying this is where it all gets sticky and gray. I'm not saying anything she did was okay. But when you're in the survival mentality and you remember her, I don't know if I told you this spot a couple of weeks ago, like. I feel like some people, especially if you have kids way younger, like you kind of get stuck in that mentality, whatever age you had your kid at, that's kind of what your brain stops maturing.
So let's say she had her at 15. She is forever living with a 15 year olds mindset. So every time she does this, this repeated behavior, it's because that's what 15 year old did to keep herself safe and to keep Jenny safe and it's work to this. So why stop now? Why help now? I guess I'm answering my own fucking question.
She does want to seek help because it's worth look at, this is why I talk there. Be words, guys. You just keep talking until you figure out your own shit. Well,
Julia: and I think that she doesn't know how to get help or that she
Christina: needs it. Absolutely. Oh yeah. The other part also like that need help. Don't realize they
Julia: need help.
And like the mayor might be what forces her. I don't know. But also did you watch Friday night lights? Cause that's where he's from. Is that where he's from?
Christina: That is from a couple of things. Is it. Was he knocked the mayor when the heart calls or fucking though it's another, no, it's not the heart of Dixie.
It's neither of those. It's one that came out with a name that's like a remake of an old steel Magnolias, still magnets. Was he so
Julia: many remakes of steel Magnolias that I don't know what you're talking
Christina: about. I'm sorry. So Magnolias came out on Netflix sometime in 2020, because I watched it during pandemic.
It was a re a remake though. It was like a, it's a net, it's a Netflix theory, like short series or something. I don't fucking know, figure that out, but sweet Magnolias. So
Julia: I liked that. So he's
Christina: not on that show. Oh, I thought it was the same guy. Do you hang out with towns? People this much? Why is everyone just so casual with like everyone in town?
Like I know people around town. Girl, you should know, you should know better than to
Julia: bring that up. I can't go. I can't go anywhere. Like I know, but thanks to the pandemic. I don't know anybody anymore because you know, I was overwhelmingly paranoid about COVID and commute. And I just in general have a thing about like, not contracting a communicable disease.
So like I have no friends left, but prior to the pandemic, You know that I was that person.
Christina: Yeah. I just, maybe it's the introvert in me, but I just had the idea of that many people, knowing my name scares
Julia: the shit out
Christina: of me, come and say hi to me when I'm out in the cold open like that, like I'm just trying to pick out Go-Gurt please.
Don't talk to me.
Julia: Listen, I will say that if I'm running errands or in doing stuff, that's like maintenance. I don't want to talk to anybody when I'm actively choosing to be social, like this whole face cover situation, where were all sad when it's over. Cause like, I really appreciate being able to pretend like I don't recognize somebody and them in return not recognizing me.
Christina: I will. I'm going to miss the fact that I just can't make stupid faces anymore at people
Julia: working on editing a project. I'm like, uh,
Christina: yeah, I get that. Yeah. Like what I can't
Julia: it's going
Christina: to look weird, but then I'll go like, get my toilet paper for the week or whatever. And it's like, I'm just standing in line. Pretending I'm Dani from the wild boar. Mary's like,
try to get that hair out of my mouth.
Julia: I could probably watch Ginny and Georgia again, but not in the same way that I watched like Gilmore girls over and over again. I think that it's a little different in terms of like what
Christina: the takeaways are. I agree. I think that television now has more in depth, uh, views and ideas and thoughts. So you can't rewatch it and feel nostalgic.
You kind of rewatch it and feel almost like pain again. That's a
Julia: really good point.
Christina: Well, that's our show for you to get so dark. Hey, I just meant like TV now is a lot heavier than it used to be. So I don't think we can have you can't compare. It is all. I mean like Gilmore girls was made in a time where TV didn't have like their deep thoughts weren't were still shallow is all.
I mean, like we didn't keep it up. And to listen and the deepest where I don't know
Julia: a lot. Okay. So that's a whole conversation
Christina: for another day that we can have your thoughts on Gilmore girls versus my thoughts on Gilmore girls. Cause like I'm basically the age of Rory and I just watched Gilmore girls for the first time, like a couple of years ago.
Julia: Oh my God. That's
Christina: going to be a great conversation. Yeah. Remember, I was why you are the one that made me watch. It sounds like a really
Julia: good topic for us to discuss next week. That's our show
Christina: for you this week tune in next week, when we discuss Gilmore girls and our different opinions about deep in early
Julia: two thousands versus deep now.
Christina: I feel like that was a very pointed state.
Julia: Maybe it was, maybe you tapped into something. I don't know.
Christina: People will have to tune in next time to find out. All right. I guess
Julia: we'll see them next back. Okay. And if you want to keep the conversation going with us this week, follow us on Instagram
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Makes me jealous. All right, I'll see you next time.
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