Episode 8 | Felicity

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Julia: Hey friends. Welcome to Pop Culture Makes Me Jealous. I’m your host Julia and I’m so excited about today’s show because my sister is here and we were talking about Felicity

Julia: Felicity debut, September 29th, 1998 on the WB and Variety was very excited about the show. In an article they published on the same day they said, quote, “If TV critics tend to be in agreement this fall, that the crop of new network series is uncommonly crummy, a drum beat, seemingly parroted annually. The critical community is also fairly unanimous in its view that Felicity is the only pilot with anything resembling real magic. It hits the air with the assessment still intact embolden by a heavy buzz that bestows imminent greatness onto both the show and its angelic star Keri Russell .One will find no dissenting opinion here.”

Julia: At the time, the show made a huge splash on network television with the series debut garnering over 4 million viewers. And I feel like that’s a lot because it’s 1998, right? Like, it’s not like nowadays.

Laura: You had to consciously sit down and watch TV.

Julia: Because other, your only other option was to like hit record on the VCR. But before we dive in to Felicity, I have to introduce you to my guest, my sister, Laura. She has been my sister for as long as I’ve been on this planet and she is a total badass and doesn’t really fuck around. So this is going to be a lot of fun Sissy, welcome to the show. 

Laura: Yay. Thank you for having me. Making those high expectations. 

Julia: I mean, if we’re going to talk about where Mom and Dad got it right, when it comes to their kids. Totally you.

Laura: I feel like I had something to do with me too. 

Julia: I mean, obviously, but still. One third done really well. Sorry, mom. Before we dive in, let’s do a quick summary of Felicity for those of you born after the show ended. 

Laura: But it is on Hulu so you can still watch it. 

Julia: Yes, yes. Yes. It is. The series centers around the college experiences of the title character Felicity Porter played by Keri Russell, as she attends the University of New York, which is based on New York University, also known as NYU. Felicity is originally from California, living in Palo Alto with her parents, the only child of a doctor and a stay-at-home mom. The day of graduation, she runs into her long time crush Ben Covington and asks them to sign her yearbook.

Julia: After reading what he wrote, she discovers he is attending UNY and when asked where she plans to attend, she states that’s pretty unclear. Which is a total lie because according to her father’s plan, she’s going to Stanford and will be pre-med and become a doctor. After much fighting with her family. She finds herself in New York feeling pretty sadden by recent events.

Julia: She meets Julie played by the original pink power ranger, herself, Amy Jo Johnson. The, two embark on a friendship that would live in bumpy waters for the course of the show. Additionally Felicity meets Noel, played by Scott Foley, who will always be my favorite has been of Jennifer Gardner and Elena Tyler.

Julia: A whole host of other characters are sprinkled throughout the four seasons of Felicity. The series was created by JJ Abrams. You heard that right. And when watching the show, you can see the loyalty he has to actors he works with as many of them, even small roles show up in his later work. Okay, Sissy, let’s dive in. In the article I mentioned earlier, the writer goes on to say, “It is impossible whoever to avoid comparisons between this show and My So-Called Life and Allie McBeal. So strong are the parallel that the following tags have already been affixed to the new WB drama. My So-Called College Life, Allie McFeel , and My So-Called Strife. Felicity after all is just a college girl. And one with well-off parents at that shows that are this shamelessly imitative. Aren’t supposed to be this good first.”

Julia: Let’s talk about how much we love this show and why. 

Laura: I mean, we’ve recently rewatched it again. And I was nervous because anytime you re watch a show, there’s the chance you won’t feel the same way. Felicity delivered all the feels exactly the same gripping way I felt. And also. The topics they covered. I was like, whoa, they are way above their weight beyond their time. Yes, yes. And a very diverse cast and.

Julia: And the topics are timely forever because you’re always going to deal with your parents not understanding you. You’re always going to deal with trying to make relationships and friendships. You’re always going to deal with I don’t. I missed class and I missed a final and all that shit. There’s a lot. 

Laura: Yeah. Yeah. And just, and making dumb decisions.

Julia: Yeah. 

Laura: Which they do their fair share of in the course of the four seasons. 

Julia: This is also true. 

Laura: The only thing is I just, I felt like the last season could have been three episodes shorter.

Julia: So, funny story about that. I read an article in researching for our episode today that the last five episodes were ordered later. So like they had written the show to end the way that it ended. So then those show episodes where they, where she’s like, they’re in Palo Alto and then she finds Ben cheating, and then she goes to Megan’s wedding or whoever’s wedding. And then, you know, they have this like dream sequence type of thing. Like that was an afterthought. 

Laura: Yeah. I kind of felt like they were trying to explore what if for the viewers, so we could have it both ways, but just pick an ending, like stick with it, stick the landing and I don’t feel like they did. And so in my mind, it does end there. Yeah. And that’s what I’ll tell people who were rewatching. 

Julia: Yeah, don’t mess with the last five episodes. 

Laura: Well, and it’s just, yeah, nobody, you don’t get to play “what if” in real life and it worked productively, so let’s be a little more realistic. 

Julia: And the very final episode did not get to air in its entirety because it was a solid hour and network television at the time, and still to this day. You don’t run a solid hour. You have your breaks for commercials. And I think shows are shorter now in network TV because the commercial breaks have gotten a little bit longer. So there’s a lot of things throughout those five episodes that don’t make sense that get explained in the final episode, but you don’t see it.

Julia: So you have to box set and watch the extended issue one that never aired to get the answers.

Laura: Watch it on what? Do people still have DVD players?

Julia: I have a DVD player. 

Laura: Okay. You’re like you and Dad. 

Julia: I’ve have a two in one it’s a DVD and a VHS. 

Laura: I literally cannot play. Anything like my computer doesn’t even have a spot for that.

Julia: I don’t do they even, I think that’s an add-on but you have to do right. 

Laura: External. 

Julia: Yeah. 

Laura: Yeah, no. So I literally have, in my car doesn’t play any of old stuff. 

Julia: The X-Box will play. 

Laura: Uh, okay. Not a gamer. 

Julia: Yeah, you don’t have an X-box. 

Laura: Sorry. And the people who pay me rely on people to be gamers, but 

Julia: I feel like there’s plenty of gamers in the world that you don’t need to be a gamer. You wouldn’t be able to do your job well, if you were a gamer, because that’s all you would be doing is gaming.

Laura: Fair. And it’s hard for me. There’s just too many buttons now. Like I need the old Nintendo days of the, a to B and the, you know, the cross down left. Right. That’s all I need now. It’s like push AB and BB. And it’s like, what? No, I can’t. 

Julia: You’re Gen X is showing X. 

Laura: I don’t care. If that’s wrong, I don’t want to be right. 

Julia: I hate the little toggle thingy. 

Laura: No, no, 

Julia: I, I struggle with the toggle thing, you know.

Laura: Life who has enough choices. Just keep it simple for me. Thank you. Yeah. 

Julia: Yeah. Okay. Fair. Okay. Fair. So you love the show? 

Laura: Oh, of course I love the show and I, and I tell people all the time to watch it again. Like who’ve never seen it. Because there’s plenty of people. I know, like working where I work and things like that that are good, solid five to 10 years younger than me. And so they just, weren’t old enough to watch it at the time. And now.

Julia: Um, I take issue with the five to 10 years. Do you say younger, older?

Laura: Younger. 

Julia: Younger, because I’m five years younger than you and I watched it live. 

Laura: But you had, you know, this amazing sister who could tell you about these things. 

Julia: Okay. Sure. But you were already in college? 

Laura: But I’m sure we maybe talked about it? 

Julia: Probably, I feel like Mom and I watched it. I don’t know. 

Laura: But, um, I think because of that, like you knew people and, but there are, because it wasn’t streaming platforms or the internet where were hashtagging about watching it and whatever. I think that, um, a lot of people did miss certain shows and with this one, I’m advocating for people to go watch it. If they haven’t seen it explicitly. Hulu because you can stream it with no ads. Yeah. Otherwise you can watch it on the ABC. 

Julia: Yeah. Which that takes that’s really hard. That’s how I rewatched it. Even though I own all four seasons on DVD. Yeah. That’s still watched it on the ABC. 

Laura: If you watched it with ads, you have a DVD player, own the DVDs. That’s your fault for wasting time. 

Julia: Listen, I’m here to tell you that I’ve been dreaming of streaming since, before they did streaming, because I was just like, fuck, I don’t want to put this in the DVD player. I just want to turn on my TV and let it play. And, you know, The universe heard me. Because then they introduced Netflix streaming, 

Laura: I guess so. Too bad you didn’t invent that.

Julia: I was like, oh yeah, actually I wish 

Laura: I wish you invented that too. 

Julia: Yeah. I would have been a prodigy because of how, early Netflix was invented.

Laura: I could go to your island for my vacation. 

Julia: Yeah. I actually probably, cause I don’t really like socializing. 

Laura: I would love that. 

Julia: Me tood to Richard Branson. Can you hear us? 

Laura: I know. Or there’s that one on that other amazing vacation rental show on Netflix that they go to the one, it looks amazing, but it’s read, like to go for like five days, it’s like $80,000, a thousand dollars. I feel like. It completely erased. 

Julia: That’s how much student loan debt I have, right? Yeah. Like all these game shows. They’re like, you could win $10,000. I’m like, cool. I need to win enough money to pay off my student loans.

Laura: Okay. That’s fair. That’s fair. 

Julia: Yeah. 

Laura: Okay. So you didn’t give your opinion about the show. Cause I have sparkly shiny syndrome and took it somewhere else. 

Julia: I like it. I loved the show clearly. Cause I own all fours seasons on DVD. I remember walking. I remember. When they released the first season on DVD, it was so excited. And I like literally, because I was working at the deli counter at the time. So it wasn’t making a ton of money. I still made it. I was like, I’m going to buy this shit. It was 50 fucking dollars. 

Laura: You prioritize what it’s worth that you always do. 

Julia: And then I bought every season after that since then. And there were 50 bucks. It’s ridiculous whatever. But I loved it because for me it was like, oh, this is what college is going to be like, like, and it’s pre the internet because remember the episode where Noel comes home from Seattle, he’s like the Internet’s dead. And we believed it fast forward 20 years and the internet is life, but it definitely was like, Ooh, I want to live in New York.

Julia: Ooh. I want to do all these things. Ooh. Their life is so fabulous. Even when they’re like having turmoil. 

Laura: I still feel like the one thing I wish they did was just named the bar or something better. Like, why do you name it’s a disease, right? Epstein-Barr 

Julia: Isn’t that kind of common though? Cause there was a bar in SLO for a while. I don’t know if they’re still there called The Library. Well, that’s different libraries are cool or at least it sounds studious, or at least you’re not going to the bar. You’re going to the library. 

Laura: Yeah. And, and that’s always good for, you know, if you’re trying to get away from someone and they don’t, you don’t want them to go with you, the library and the library, but to be like. 

Julia: Pretty much why my dating life sucks. Cause I go to the library. 

Laura: But to be like, I’m going to catch a communicable disease. No, no, that’s my one criticism. Catch it. 

Julia: Listen, we’re all trying to avoid catching communicable diseases at this point in life and pretty much all the time because anybody who knows me knows. Me well know that I track STD to statistics for fun.

Laura: I so think that’s weird. 

Julia: I know it’s weird. 

Laura: But I also think that it should be like golden to, you know, try to avoid diseases. 

Julia: That’s why you need to know the statistics so you can figure out how to avoid the. 

Laura: Well, you know, the exist. So like that alone should be a deterrent. 

Julia: Yes, yes yes,however in some cities it’s more rampant than others.

Laura: So you avoid those cities?

Julia: Or just be more mindful when you’re in those cities. 

Laura: Yeah. 

Julia: Anyway, this took a weird turn. So it’s time to move on. So we can’t talk about the show without talking about the love triangle. For listeners. The love triangle was between Ben, the boys. He followed to New York and know her freshman RA turned close friend with Felicity right smack in the middle. Years later in a 2015 interview with the Today Show Scott Foley reported that people will come up to him, tell him, they love him in Scandal, and then their team Ben. Even NPR, San Francisco affiliate K Q E D commented on the situation. Writer. Megan Lewis said, “My own culture litmus test revolves around the love triangle at the heart of the late nineties, college drama, Felicity, or more specifically Ben or Noel.” In ways it’s defined a generation, just like the Gilmore Girls poses the team, Jess or Dean question before Gilmore Girls ever aired on the WB young adults everywhere we’re dying to know team Ben or team Noel. So Sissy, we have to right here and right now, establish which team you’re on. And then explain, why are you team Ben or are you team Noel and then you have to defend your decision?

Laura: Yeah, I’m all about defending my decision. Yes, I am team Noel. So of course I think it ended wrong spoiler alert if you haven’t seen it. Sorry. 

Julia: Um, so I think it ended wrong, but.

Laura: Um, Ben will always disappoint her. Ben was always disappointed. Her and Ben was the harder relationship. Now I’m not saying that relationship 

Julia: But he’s so cute. 

Laura: Hotness doesn’t mean you get to mean you can be an asshole. 

Julia: It doesn’t negate the things you do. 

Laura: Hotness doesn’t mean you can make decisions that are damaging to your relationships. So I feel like the nice guy should have won. I feel like in all my years of life behind me, that’s the smarter choice and it was, and she still loved him. They still would have been amazing together. And I think she would have saved herself a lot of heartache. Yes. They still have their problems. Yes. They still had things they would work through as any good relationship does. 

Julia: Yes. 

Laura: But. Ben was selfish and then was out for what worked. Ben wanted that. And I don’t think that is a good partner. 

Julia: I hated that, um, storyline with Lauren.

Laura: Oh yeah. 

Julia: I fucking hated that whole segment.

Laura: Although it’s so funny when you re when you rewatch it, because you’re like, oh, the girl from Girlfriends Guide To Divorce you think about all the places where people have gone, but I totally also hated that too. I was a hundred percent sure that baby was going to be his dad’s.

Julia: Same.

Laura: But which should maybe should have been then I might’ve been team Ben.

Julia: I feel like it would have resolved would have been helped absolve some of the unnecessary stress about it, I think. 

Laura: Yeah. But I also didn’t didn’t like that storyline either and it, and then Felicity. The bigger person. And it’s like, why, why does she have to put all of her hopes and dreams on hold to be supportive of his bad choices?

Julia: And that’s actually a constant theme throughout the entire series. So for listeners who haven’t seen the show, there’s a story arc where, so Ben’s, dad’s an alcoholic. We learned that in like from the jump but we see it and it’s, he’s played by. Ritter Ritter, 

Laura: John Ritter, God rest his soul. 

Julia: May he rest in peace? So there’s this gal, Lauren who is in AA with his dad. I think at this point his dad is dead or he’s in the hospitals?

Laura: In the hospitals.

Julia: In the hospital. And so Lauren shows up because he has her smart. Yeah. He’s Lauren sponsor. The data is blah, blah, blah. And then he and Felicity are in a weird place. So then Ben and Lauren decided to take up a sexual relationship and then she ends up pregnant and the whole thing is a cluster fuck. Lauren’s a B because she’s so rude and awful to like everybody. And it just was, it was just, and for 19, I guess that was a season three or four. So we’re talking 2001, 2002. So for that time period, that’s kind of like a very bold move to add that into college centric show. 

Laura: I agree. Yeah. And I just think that it didn’t add anything because 

Julia: It didn’t add shit. Other than that, you hate Ben Moore. Right? So again. 

Laura: Hashtag hashtag Team Noel.

Julia: I would, in the beginning of Felicity, I Ben was beautiful, and I just loved him and he was just all these things. And then as I get older and rewatch it, I’m just like, no, it’s the best choice. Yeah. Generous. He’s sweet. He’s caring. He’s thoughtful. He’s just not as exciting as Ben. And that’s the problem. I think when, I guess, as us, as young women going to dating, it doesn’t need to be like Noel was exciting in his own way. It just wasn’t as chaotic and volatile. 

Laura: He did love his computer program. It’s pretty adorable. 

Julia: I was maybe more referring to when he was like on a whim was like come to Germany with me.

Laura: I mean, who doesn’t love a good Bavarian pretzel. Yeah. That’s delicious. And the cheese. Okay. No, but I, yeah, I do think if you had asked me 20 years ago, I might’ve said team Ben just because yeah. I mean, You’re hot, Ben we all agree on this 

Julia: And he’s still hot. 

Laura: Yeah, I know, man. 

Julia: Scott Speedman, good job aging, sir. And Scott Foley did age well too. I’m still sad that he and Jennifer Garner broke up. 

Laura: I mean, Jennifer Garner needs. She I’ll marry you, Jen. It’s fine. I’m nice. She’s she’s 

Julia: if you don’t follow her on Instagram, you need to, because she’s got the best. She’s just got such a, she just is. She’s just the best. I want her to be my friend, like super bad. 

Laura: I just use her Yes Day line. Nope. Nope on a rop. What’s she saying like no to the kids. And it’s like, how do you say no? In like a million different ways? And so she goes Nope. On a rope. 

Julia: Oh.

Laura: I use that one all the time. Thanks. Thanks writers of Yes Day. 

Julia: I still haven’t watched that yet. 

Laura: It’s cute.

Julia: It looks cute.

Laura: And if you loved Jennifer, 

Julia: I do. I love, I love her in, um, yes. Obviously we should do. Okay. Jennifer Garner segment 

Laura: Alias, anyone, I mean 

Julia: JJ Abrams or 

Laura: I would say all of the, like, I think, cause she’s half of the Felicity cast. 

Julia: Because for those of you who haven’t seen the show, Jennifer Gardner plays Scott Foley’s hometown girlfriend, and we meet her for the first time in the Thanksgiving episode in season one. And there’s this whole like, Noel loves Felicity and there’s all this stuff happening, but then like, nobody knows that he has like, they. Do they know that he has a girlfriend at home?

Laura: Not until like, literally she shows up and then he made it until someone like right before she came. 

Julia: Yeah. What’s his name? Richard. I hated that character.

Laura: Every college has a Richard, so I think it’s appropriate. 

Julia: Okay. And still an annoying little, 

Laura: Yes he was annoying, but like there’s always that person. Guy or a girl or someone who, or it could be a day, but there’s always that person call at college and not just kind of want to like, wack. 

Julia: Yeah. So anyway, Scott Foley and Jennifer Gardner played a couple on Felicity and, um, I like to think, and that may or may not be true that that’s where they’re loving you truly blossomed the first time.

Laura: I mean, maybe. Planting the seed at least. 

Julia: I know, I think he’s remarried though, to somebody and has kids. 

Laura: So I don’t, I don’t really, I mean, I watch Scandal, but 

Julia: I didn’t, I don’t follow on that. I don’t know if he’s on socials. I didn’t stick with the Felicity cast on line. Like I don’t follow any of them online. 

Laura: You know, I am the social media presence of Regis Philbin also 

Julia: May he rest in peace 

Laura: Ya, I miss him every day.

Julia: Shortly after. So in 2018 for the 20 year anniversary, like, and everybody wrote like literally every outlet that could write about Felicity, wrote about Felicity and the 20 year anniversary and the center of all of those articles was the triangle, the love triangle.

Laura: But now do people rethink it after they’ve seen Keri Russell and the Americans where they like actually she could kill me with one finger. So maybe I shouldn’t talk trash about her. 

Julia: Oh, I don’t know. She’s a badass. That’s a really great, great question. She’s been some movies that I’m just like, eh, so I’m glad that she did well on the Americans. I haven’t watched it because I get very anxious during intense stuff and I drive my child crazy. Cause I’ll get up and walk around and he’ll be like, you want me to pause it? No, because I’m trying to work through whatever tense thing that we don’t know how it’s going to get resolved. Right here. 

Laura: Espionage is real.

Julia: I mean, it is. 

Laura: Yeah, it makes you rethink your childhood a little bit. You’re like one of those people, my friends 

Julia: Remember the family down the street that was from like 

Laura: Romania.

Julia: Was it Romania? 

Laura: Yes. 

Julia: I knew it was Eastern Europe

Laura: Because we insensitively referred to them as the Romanians.

Julia: Did we? 

Laura: That’s what we always called them. We’re like the Romanians. So we were just like lumping them into their country of origin. 

Julia: I honestly can’t remember the ga little girl that was like close to my age. I don’t remember her name, but I remember she used to come over and clean my room. 

Laura: Do you think she was looking for stuff?

Julia: Okay. I almost said this neighbor’s name, but I’m not going to, but the, another neighbor down the street, similarly aged used to tell me she was cleaning my room so she could steal some of the stuff that was smaller. That like I would, and I was just like, I don’t like maybe clearly, if I don’t know that in there that’s missing, I don’t want it. So clearly I don’t care. Didn’t stop me from having her come over and play like after that statement was made. So. 

Laura: Also because you wanted her to clean your room.

Julia: I mean, 

Laura: not just friendship, but maybe cause she got some of your stuff.

Julia: Being my friend is hard. I just ask Sarah, listen to Gossip Girl, arch, Gossip Girl recaps from a couple from, with over the summer friends. Yeah. And anyway, okay. So now we have to talk about the big bust of season two. 

Laura: Okay. 

Julia: The hair.

Laura: I thought that’s what you really hoped. It was.

Julia: I was trying to find articles written from 1999 about the hair, but there literally was nothing because the internet wasn’t really a lot back then. 

Laura: Right. 

Julia: With that said, though, in 2018, everyone started writing her hair again for the 20th anniversary of the show’s release, but let’s quote E! here because they had something to say about the matter in fall of 2018 , “National hysteria ensued .Fans, revolted ratings, rapidly crashed. TV history was made. The haircut had such a pop culture impact that it turned Felicity’s name into a cautionary tale used across all genres. Anytime a TV character was made or contemplated making a major hair change it’s referred to as pulling a Felicity. You know, Jennifer Aniston’s iconic, the Rachel hairstyle from Friends? Consider this the opposite of that?”

Laura: Well, no, and I, when I was sad and I was like, how did this only last four episodes, eyes for the Googling information too. And it literally said they lost half their viewers when she cut her hair and the traction never came back. And so the show that was so great. Could have been greater, but people were, but the fans were fickle based on her hair, which is not a good lesson folks. 

Julia: And I also feel like when you, cause she’s going through a major in the end of season one, she’s posed with this question of choosing Ben or Noel. Quite literally go on this road trip with Ben, go to Germany with Noel. She makes a choice. Things fall apart over the summer during the summer break that we don’t get to it witness because that was not the point. And then she comes back to school and like Noel’s mad at her and she, and Ben have a thing and all this shit. And then she and Ben had this fall apart thing. And then she’s like in turmoil.

Julia: So I feel like any woman, I don’t know if men do it. I don’t know if hetero men do it, but I know that hetero women do it. When you have an emotional breakup the first thing you change is your hair. 

Laura: Well, when I worked at the Exploratorium, they did say in San Francisco, the Center for Science, Art, and Human Perception.

Julia: There you go. 

Laura: They did say that your most defining characteristic is your hair. And so that if people don’t recognize you, it’s likely because you changed your hair or out of context or things like that. So I think that obviously. 

Julia: That explains why nobody recognizes me when I wear my hair curly. 

Laura: Also true. Also true. Because that’s not how they associate you. But two things with that one props to Keri Russell, because she could pull off either haircuts, not all women can, not all, anybody can pull off short hair. and she looked amazing. Um, but B. Number two, like how awful are we that we’re like, we don’t like her hair. So we’re going to stop watching the show. 

Julia: Because one, it didn’t stop.

Laura: We’re allowed to make bad choices. 

Julia: That’s the point of being a young adult, right? Because you don’t have a ton of life experience yet you have all these emotions. You’re trying to figure out like, come on. I don’t, I didn’t stop watching the show. 

Laura: I didn’t either, or it didn’t stop me from rewatching the show again recently.

Julia: Also. True. 

Laura: So I just think that. It’s so interesting how fickle people are and what they, how they choose to spend their time, I guess, are their Thursday nights at nine or whenever it was on?

Julia: Yeah, it was. 

Laura: But it seems like, but I guess it’s, it was kind of cancel culture and in early form. Right. 

Julia: Ooh. Do you think that kind of reaction would happen now though? With how much we’ve progressed as a people? I mean, we still have a lot of work to do, but 

Laura: I think people will still talk about it, but I don’t think. It would essentially be. 

Julia: Like turn off the TV. 

Julia: No, because I also think that we’re, we are much better about seeing a lot of differences in people than we were 20 years ago.

Julia: Right? Yeah, absolutely. I think it was a good move in the sense, because I, again, you have an emotional breakup with somebody it’s in my experience with my friends and myself sometimes included, totally normal to change your hair after a major break up. 

Laura: Or just control something in your life. Right? Like maybe I’ve never drastically changed my hair. I’ve also never dyed my hair fun fact but I think my hair she’s done enough for both of us. 

Julia: Yes, it’s true. 

Laura: Um, but I think in, in an instance where you feel like you’re spiraling, you need to grab onto something and what is right. 

Julia: Your hair. 

Laura: And for her, that was her hair. 

Julia: Yeah. I buy it. I think it was a good move.

Laura: And I think it’s telling, and hopefully it was validating to people who’ve experienced similar things, obviously not enough people, but.

Julia: Do you, did you have a different reaction? Watch it, rewatching it from your, do you remember? 

Laura: It just made me sad rewatching it, it made me sad knowing that that was the reason it went down.

Julia: Yeah. Stupid and with so much curly hair, girl hate that happens in Hollywood, because if you think about all the make-over shows and all the make-over movies, they don’t show well, at least more recently they have been. But in that era, they didn’t show a lot of girls, women. With natural curly hair in a positive way, it was always frizzy. It was always like untamed. And if there was a make-over situation, they straightened it. 

Laura: Yes. You got rid of your glasses, you straightened your hair, a little mascara and lipstick and wooo! She’s beautiful. 

Julia: I wonder if subconsciously that was part of the reaction. We finally had a curly hair girl lead, and then they cut off all her hair.

Laura: I don’t know. 

Julia: I’m just so curious. 

Laura: I know, dive on the interwebs, see what you can find. 

Julia: I tried. It was really hard because we weren’t talking about stuff on the internet twenty-five years ago 

Laura: Go around find people’s diaries.

Julia: I’m gonna have to go to the archive. What’s the name like the microfilm, not micro, but like the library. 20th century version of that for the news articles and clippings and old magazines. 

Laura: You need to go find the news archives is or TV Guide. But the 

Julia: TV Guide yes! TV Guide had to say, I’m going to have to find all of the archives for like 17 magazine and Vogue and all, I don’t know if Vogue ever would have written about, I don’t know if they’re worried about, I don’t think they write about TV from thinking. Life’s hard. I’ve only had two block two and a half cups of coffee. 

Laura: I don’t know. I’m sure. Scarlet Magazine would’ve covered it. 

Julia: Nice. That’s a great, Aw, I’m so sad. That show is over. It makes me really sad.

Laura: That they ruined all the come on because give them back.

Julia: Kat 

Laura: I’m only on season four. 

Julia: No, that wasn’t giving anything away. I was just say I love because. Kat has a white parent and a Black parent. 

Laura: I know. I just watched the episode where she’s like, I never fit in. I’m not Black. I’m not white. I’m not gay. I’m not straight.

Julia: Kat be my friend. I got you girl.

Laura: I would totally be friends with her. 

Julia: 100%. How far are you in on the show?

Laura: I just told you that was what I just watched. 

Julia: So that’s like season one.

Laura: That’s not season one. I’m in season four. 

Julia: It wasn’t season four when that happened.

Laura: I mean, maybe she doesn’t want it more than once, but it’s um, well, I’m trying to think of what historically has just happened. It’s the episode after Sutton meets with Richard’s mom. 

Julia: Got it, who that actor was on Mad Men, ladies and gentlemen, girl. He did an episode or two of Gossip Girl.

Laura: And in a few hallmark movies.

Julia: He’s got a face for hallmark and not in like a bad way. He’s just very handsome. 

Laura: Hashtag Hunks of Hallmark. They say that that’s a real thing. You would know if you are one of my kindred spirits and Hallmark viewers. Yeah, I love the Hallmark movies. And again.

Julia: They’re all the same. 

Laura: I don’t care about that because I love them. 

Julia: Okay. Do you remember, do you remember a couple years ago I was like, I’m different. I’m going to get into this it’s this. Sissy says that she loves Hallmark for the holidays. So I’m going to get into this. I literally spent another three days watching Hallmark movies and by day two, I was like, This is what’s going to happen. Here’s what he’s going to say. Here’s what she’s going to say. You know, it was a literally verbatum. 

Laura: They follow a pattern.

Julia: And apparently the same, but like. Listen, next time I, I might do it again this year because the holiday season isn’t long enough for me. So every time there’s a repeated line. I’m going to set. I’m going to text you about it, how often.

Laura: And now my One Tree Hill actors have gotten to Hallmark too. So, I mean, it’s so great.

Julia: Is Chad Michael Murray the one in that, um, captain obvious commercial where it’s raining. Have you seen that commercial? 

Laura: I don’t watch commercials. I don’t have live tv. 

Julia: I don’t, I don’t watch commercials on purpose. I just sometimes I’ll forget to like fast forward. 

Laura: I don’t know, maybe I’ll YouTube it and let you know, but he isn’t a few Hallmark movies. 

Julia: He was just, do you remember how he was just like the stud of the early aughts I loved him. He was just the hunk. You know, he was the, he was the guy.

Laura: He was on. He was on the laminent for a long time. I don’t think I have one now, which is fine. So Chad it doesn’t mean I don’t still love you. It just means I haven’t thought about it critically in awhile. 

Julia: We’re older now. So different.

Laura: My priorities are different. 

Julia: Well, article written for Vulture in 2011 titled, “Nostalgia fact-check. How does Felicity hold up?” Megan Reynolds writes, “it’s a world full of anxiety, elation insecurity. And inflated self-worth that leads people to misguided majors, like studio art, depending on your age.” I know, “depending on your age, when you watched it, Felicity can feel aspirational. This is what college should be like or nostalgic. Oh, remember, there was some moments when college felt like this kind of.” So for me, plus see is aspirational, but for you Sissy, because listening would have been your peer. Do you find yourself nostalgic when you rewatch. 

Laura: Do I find myself nostalgic? I’m trying to think what I would be nostalgic for .

Julia: Your college days. 

Laura: I know, I mean, and I liked college, but I didn’t like having to shop 10 for 10 for pasta Roni. 

Julia: I don’t know what that is. 

Laura: Like, so like the top $10 in college where I was poor in college. And so like, I don’t miss the time of my life when I had to go to the grocery store. What we’re going to eat today is what’s on sale. And so you’re 10 for $10 pasta Roni get in my cart. Um, yeah. And so I don’t miss that part. Like I like going to the grocery store and just being like, yeah, I’m going to get some mini Its Its. Even though they’re $5, which seems like a lot for ice cream.

Julia: I’m going to get that big ass block of cheese that’s fancy and gourmet for 10 99. 

Laura: And I want my Dave’s killer bread.

Julia: Where’s the proscuetto.

Laura: Yeah, absolutely. So and salami’ s, never less than $10.

Julia: Where you live.

Laura: Where I lived, but I don’t care because I can pay for that now. I mean, college, I wouldn’t have been able to get this salami.

Julia: But like the freedom of college.

Laura: What’s not, well, I mean, I guess I have to get up and go to work, but you still have to get up and go to class. Like, it’s not like you’re just out running a muck. 

Julia: They were on Felicity. I mean, they were 100% running a muck. 

Laura: You did rarely see them in class. So I’m not 

Julia: You saw them a lot lot more in class than you did in other college shows. 

Laura: When Ben went Pre-Med I think that’s the most education we saw.

Julia: No, I think that was when she was still pre-med and Elena Tyler going through, first of all, we failed because we didn’t do a shout out to Elena Tyler. Tangy Miller. You’re fucking awesome. And we love you. 

Laura: I would have definitely been happy with her. Everyone needs an Elena. 

Julia: Everyone needs an Elena in their life. She’s a fucking bad-ass and she was determined and motivated and yes, girl, let’s get more Black female doctors in here. Okay. 

Laura: She kicked out since she took names. So.

Julia: Yes.

Laura: We appreciate that. And I still a little confused about. Again, those last five episodes when like somehow she died, she never explained it. 

Julia: They do in the full final episode, the full one hour it gets explained. 

Laura: Ok. So what had happened? 

Julia: I don’t remember. Cause I haven’t. All right. Watch the DVD edition in a really long time. 

Laura: Well, you have one job now. Figure that out and let me know. Tell me about my birthday. 

Julia: It’s a lot of pressure. 

Laura: But it’s what I really want. 

Julia: Does that count as your birthday present? 

Laura: As long as it also comes with Mobaak chapstick. 

Laura: Okay. So I think. 

Julia: So do you think that this is an accurate portrayal of what college it could be like in your experience? 

Laura: Yeah, absolutely. I think any of those things could have happened to anyone that I knew in college. And some of those things did happen to people I knew in college.

Julia: Felicity is pretty progressive. If you think about it, because they. Reproductive rights. They talked about women’s rights. They talk like they talk about so many things. Like Elena goes through a period where she’s like not struggling with her racial identity, but definitely calls into question if she’s being treated differently because she’s a black woman. Like they were so forward thinking about all, a lot of these topics that it was just for me, cause I was 14 when the show came out, I feel like. It really shaped a lot of, not my opinion, but just when bad shit would happen to me, it was just like Felicity told me this was going to happen. 

Laura: See, it was, it was helping levelset your expectations for life. 

Julia: Yes. 

Laura: Thank you writers of Felicity. Yes. Yeah, no, I do. I feel like it was a, it was a good depiction of college life.

Laura: I don’t feel like there’s anything that that would never happen, you know, like sometimes, you know, I feel like in other shows where like, that is zero realistic, which is how you feel when you watch hallmark movies.

Laura: but I could meet somebody on an airplane one day and be married two weeks later. I left. 

Julia: Okay. Yeah. Okay. So let’s be clear. We all know. I want my life to be a romcom. So like Hallmark is like romcoms steroids without any realism. Not that RomComs are real, but you know what I mean? Like I. 

Laura: Well, it, it does make me want to live in like the, one of these tiny, small towns that has a festival. Then I remember the tiny, small towns are usually in rural areas and I’m brown. So maybe that’s not a good idea for me still yet. I know it’s 2021. 

Julia: But there’s new questionable things happening around the world.

Laura: So I just, you know, I just need to throw my own parade or something or.

Julia: I mean, you could always just come to my tiny little town for when there are parades.

Laura: No, but well, they have like, like, like winter festivals or. Harvest. Well, I guess I don’t want to Bob for apples, with strangers.

Julia: Especially, especially with communicable diseases running rampant. 

Julia: Which we’ve 

Laura: already established earlier in this episode is a goal to avoid. But I do think I would love to enter, you know, pumpkin carving contest, wheelbarrow races. Yes, sir. Cider. I want hot cider.

Julia: Do you want me to make you some hot cider during Thanksgiving? 

Laura: Absolutely.

Julia: I can do that. I think actually don’t hold me to it. You’re going to have to text me to remind me. 

Laura: And I know I, yeah, I just, I want all those, you know, all those fun fall feelings. Like, no, I don’t want to dive into a pile of leaves. That’s gross and dirty.

Julia: Did we ever do that as kids. 

Laura: I’m sure we did. I’m sure we did. 

Julia: Yeah, the Stars hollow, winter festivals, the festival of lights like that. Yeah, that was always, that was always a lot of fun. 

Laura: It feels like it’d great. 

Julia: Yeah. 

Laura: Maybe like when, uh, you know, when a hotel does a theme or hope to say, we’re all going to like Murphy’s or something. So a little bit it’s, it’s like, it’s cute. And still, uh, you know, not somewhere, I feel like I’ll get got. Yeah.

Julia: This chair squeaking. 

Laura: Well, you know, it’s, uh, I think I got it on like Wayfair or something. So when I have to put any, when I have to put it together myself, there’s a certain amount of lowered expectation you should have about its construction.

Julia: Do you remember Mad TVs “Lowered Expectations”? 

Laura: I tell all the time, if for some reason I thought it was Saturday Night Live. 

Julia: No it’s Mad TV. 

Laura: So now I understand why people are like are watching mad TV. I will have to clarify that with people. Yeah. That will make my meme searching a little bit more targeted because I keep trying to find it so I can like put it in a chat. 

Julia: Speaking of SNL do you remember they made fun of Felicity and did a segment called intensity?

Laura: No, but that’s funny. I’ll have to watch that. 

Julia: It was pretty funny. Actually. Don’t remember the sketch, Mom always talks about it. It’s like the one. Thing. She pulls out when we bring up Felicity. 

Laura: Oh the SNL skit. Huh. Said, huh. So I guess I don’t even know that I feel nostalgic. I just, I just get feels, you know, like, but I don’t think about no, but I don’t think about my college days. I don’t think. You know, why didn’t I get this or whatever. 

Julia: Does it make. Sorry, go ahead. I cut you off. Go ahead. 

Laura: I know you’re so rude. 

Julia: I mean, I’m the youngest, so how that’s my life.

Laura: I know it should be as a younger sister based on this show. We got that from, yeah, I think that. Also two actresses that ended up at hallmark movies now .

Julia: I’m very happy for Jodi Jodi sweeten. She had a rough period and we’re very proud of her now.

Laura: And she, the one with the candy cane factory is a great Hallmark movie definitely realistic and go with that one, but it was real cute. 

Julia: Definitely realistic. She says.

Laura: Because who doesn’t. 

Julia: Own a candy cane factory? A lot of people.

Laura: I have one.

Julia: You have a candy cane factory?

Laura: canes. But I will get that at Christmas time because, because of the holiday season, but they’re also like cute decoration and like a Mason jar. 

Julia: Listen, we got off track. I cut you off. What were you going to say? 

Laura: I don’t remember. So, yeah, it’s fine. It was important. It’ll come back to me. Probably after you left.

Julia: Like texting me, I remember. Yeah, shit. I forgot my point too. 

Laura: We’re getting real good at this aren’t we?

Julia: Life’s hard. And then he died.

Laura: I’m really, don’t feel like that’s motivating for me. It’s like, it’s like when the people, what was the phrase? Life’s a bitch and then you marry one. No, that’s not what I want my life to be. 

Julia: And also rude. 

Laura: Same. Thank you. No, I’m gonna freaking Rainbow Brite this shit. Okay. There’s sunshine, there’s rainbows and there’s unicorns. You’re welcome. 

Julia: I would like a unicorn actually. 

Laura: Oh, it’s in the other room. I have one. 

Julia: Okay. Well, if you don’t have.

Laura: I painted it myself at one of those, you know, paint places. We will, if. 

Julia: You would go to paint place.

Laura: It was a team building activity at work. And my boss totally wanted us all to paint cats because there was this weird theme at work at the time, but I was like.

Julia: No. 

Laura: That was my exact reaction. So it was also June. So my, um, unicorn has a rainbow tail. 

Julia: Cute. Oh I love that.

Laura: It’s very cute. Um, so I just wanted to not have a ceramic cat. 

Julia: Yes. I support that .

Laura: Sorry cat lovers out there.

Julia: It’s you know, people are people I remember now. Do you think part of the nostalgia factor for Felicity is because we remember a time before everyone had cell phones. When you could still, like, there still was a type of freedom that the recording the tapes, there was still a level of freedom with traveling like the parents showing up randomly. That shit would never happen now because you know, Tracking each other on their phones, if they have the same type of device. And like just little, you know, little things like that, where like the whole Ben and Noel conundrum. Yes. Tri triangle love triangle still happen, but it’s different now because you throw in like, I don’t know, you’re online dating and sliding into DMS and like all this stuff. 

Laura: It makes me uncomfortable.

Julia: Sorry. It’s just the way that the world works now.

Laura: Which we know. I try to pretend it doesn’t. Um, so I do feel nostalgic for a time when it wasn’t about when it was real, when life was real, because I think, and, and you know this, cause I talk about it all the time and was why I don’t do social media is because I feel like.

Laura: Fake AF and I don’t want, and it feels like a chore to me because everybody has to do it. Like I want to go to your website and I want to find your menu. I don’t want to have to follow you on social media to get information about your restaurant. If you want my business, give me information in a consumable way for me. And I get that, that makes me very different than the majority of the people. So I do miss kind of like when I can just walk up to a restaurant and like, look at a menu or, um, Everybody wasn’t sitting around the table, staring at their phones .

Julia: Because they have these great lively conversations on Felicity. Like there’s so much engagement. There’s so much relationship it’s relationships and you get that like, no, one’s distracted by. I dunno, falling down the rabbit hole, Tik Tok which is, so 

Laura: Right or how many likes did I get or where did you get that shirt in your post or, or just feeling like, I just feel also like it lets people be bullies who wouldn’t be bullies, like for example, because you can be, you can be anonymous. Like we did this training at work and somebody’s feedback told the team, like, I wish you guys weren’t so cutesy, you know, provided by anonymous, who would never say that if you had to put your name to it. So I feel like it just creates this whole seedy culture of people who are making people feel bad about themselves.

Laura: And I want you to come out and say that to my face. Like in my day, if you had something to say to me, You had to say it to my face. And it’s usually the girl’s restroom zone is taking her earrings out. Yeah. And watch, watch out, like.

Julia: Cross me, bitch. I dare you. 

Laura: And it was like, let’s, let’s talk about this. Or let’s, you know, the fact that you knew where people stood and yeah. Right. And you don’t know because, and because all these social media platforms let people.

Julia: I do want to put out this PSA. On behalf of social media managers and coordinators and people who have access to brand and business, social media platforms, when you comment, and then you get in a fight with somebody in the comments, our phones blow up. So we know exactly what the fuck you’re saying. Stop doing that. 

Laura: And is it constructive? Is it constructive? 

Julia: I don’t care if it’s constructive, you’re spending all this time and killing my battery because I have to get notifications. It’s like, fuck. 

Laura: Yeah. And so, but on the flip side of that, I can decide that I need. Oatmeal and have it delivered to my door. Same day from Safeway. I can need a dog toy. And Amazon has it. Two days later.

Julia: I do appreciate the positive side of social media in the sense that like I’ve learned a lot more on how to handle my hair. Cause I do have the super curly hair. That’s like, you know, a mix between Mom and Dad, more Mom than Dad, but it’s like Mom’s texture, but with Dad’s curl and that was never something that I don’t think would have happened without the internet. And then, you know, just finding out about books is that’s another way I like to find out about books and stuff, but you’re not wrong. There is like a seedy underbelly, and there’s like, it’s the, it’s like the seedy underbelly that we can see. And then there’s the actual seedy underbelly. of the internet.

Laura: So anonymous. I’m talking to you or like, put your name, first name, last name. You want to shit talk to me, say it to my face. Perhaps not in these comments, unless it has your first and last name thanks. I know that’s what social media is, right though. I want to know who my real friends are. Right. I don’t want to have 400 followers and know three of those people, but I, you know. Authenticity is one of my signature strengths. So I’m, so I’m not going to dive down that and do I miss a ton of stuff? Yeah. I would love to know what my nieces and nephews are up to all the time or my cousins and all that kind of stuff. Like what I like to get that another way. Sure. And so maybe I do miss things are a great flash sale on something. 

Julia: Yeah, but I’ll just text you.

Laura: Robin. Thank you. And Paula, thank you. Between the three of you. I still get all the best parts and things that I need.

Julia: Of the internet. 

Laura: Yup. Yup. Thank you. 

Julia: Also can, I’m like kind of shocked sometimes when I see gen X online and I’m like, you look old and then I’m like, But you don’t look old, you yourself don’t look old. So like somebody told me the other day, one of my son’s peers, he’s like, oh yeah, my mom’s the same age as, um, eras. This was born in this year. And I was like, my sister was born in that year they look very different in terms of like, I would have thought his mom was born much earlier. 

Laura: Well, I was watching a show on apple TV, which will remain anonymous because I don’t want anyone to feel bad. Um, but I was looking at the actor and I was like, gosh, he’s aged a lot. And I looked him up and he’s younger than me and not been. So I had the moment of, do I look this old?

Julia: Wait. Now I need to know what 

Laura: I’ll tell you later when the recording people are not listening, but because he’s, I mean, he’s still a wonderful looking person, but it just who it is. But I feel like when I looking at myself. 

Julia: You don’t look 

Laura: Like 20 years ago, would I’ve looked at this version of me and been like, oh yeah, she’s old. 

Julia: No, I don’t think so. Because honestly, like, so I feel like, um, half the time I’m annoyed that I gained so much weight during grad school. And COVID because now I feel like I look older than, you than you.

Laura: We’ll just walk around asking people who do you think is older? Stay tuned for a future podcast. 

Julia: We’ll have a follow-up about that. I also didn’t know the results stopped wearing like foundation and, and, um, liquid and stuff. I would just do cheeks and I have like, um, 

Laura: she literally, he texted me and was like, be camera ready. So this is a whole face of makeup people. Yeah.

Julia: But I just, because my skin is so itchy with, with the mask and the makeup and like, you know, I had to stop places before coming here. So it was like, do I really want to have no, 

Laura: but on a normal Saturday, I would have been running around in yoga pants, a workout tank top. 

Julia: Yeah. 

Laura: Hair a bun and no makeup. And I feel like that’s not the worst. The streets of the city have seen. They’re fine. They’re fine.

Laura: Yeah, but for you

Julia: Truth 

Laura: I got ready. 

Julia: I appreciate it. 

Laura: Yeah. 

Julia: I did highlight her on my cheek. I do. 

Laura: They do look good. 

Julia: Yeah. I didn’t put on mascara though. Cause my eye hurts a little bit. 

Laura: Well, I’ll try not to poke it. 

Julia: Thanks. I appreciate that solid.

Laura: That’s the kind of sensitive sister. I am. 

Julia: Okay.

Laura: I’m not touching you. I’m not the touching you. Pretty much. Yeah. 

Julia: Any final thoughts about Felicity before we wrap this up? 

Laura: If you haven’t watched it. It’s still worth the watch. It doesn’t feel like a show that was on 20 years ago. Like, yes, you’re going to maybe be it 

Julia: What’s that thing in her hand that she’s pressing abutton on.. 

Laura: You might be annoyed that they’re not like tweeting or something, but it’s still a great show. I think a holds up to the test of time for our content and the actor. Are great. And they, you don’t look at it now and be like, they’re super cheesy, right? 

Julia: Donald Faison, we didn’t even give him the respect and credit he deserves on this show. 

Laura: He was a stand up guy, too. 

Julia: I loved, I loved him and Elena yeah.

Laura: If you want to know what we’re talking about tune into the show. 

Julia: Currently Felicity is available on Hulu as well as the ABC app. It’ll probably always be on the ABC app, but who knows how long it will live on Hulu, even though Disney owns it. They make decisions that sometimes we don’t understand. Sister, thank you so much for being on my show today. I love that you were here. You have to come back maybe. 

Laura: Well, I live here. This is my house, but thank you for coming over and doing the show here. Let’s do it again.

Laura: I meant coming back on the show. Rude. 


Laura: I meant, you 

Julia: know, allowing about being a guest. 

Laura: Ooh, I love being a guest. 

Julia: Okay. That’s enough. Cause I don’t have any money for Disney. 

Laura: Sorry. I don’t know what you’re referring to. I was just thinking a random song, but no, it was, it was fun to be on your show. And, you know, I’m sure we’ll come back. We’ll talk about hallmark movies anyone? No, that’s all right. 

Julia: Hallmark movies? Like going to talk about a Hallmark movie?

Laura: I mean, we might, watch some of them, and then talk about if your feelings have changed or we can do an episode on the Bold Type when I finish it.

Julia: Fucking love the bold type. So sad it’s ending. 

Laura: Yeah, I got the recommendation from someone at work .

Julia: Free form is really. Listen 

Laura: Freeform used to be ABC family. 

Julia: Which used to be like we could literally do an entire episode. 

Laura: If it’s not. If it was on freeform or ABC family, I love it. Talk about that.

Julia: Freefiorm form is really progressive with when it comes to representation and the shows that they produce .

Laura: Well, yeah. When you look at like, um, like the Fosters 

Julia: Fosters, Good Trouble

Laura: Good Trouble which I do still love with with 

Julia: Grown-ish is on Freeform. 

Laura: Yep. And then, um, Switched at Birth.

Julia: Oh, I forgot about Caroline in the city in that. Yes. Yes. I forget her actual something. Ray. She, Caroline. No? 

Laura: I think that’s the wrong, I don’t know. We’d have to look, but she’s also in a few other things, but yeah. 

Julia: Back to the Future. 

Laura: Yes. Sorry. I didn’t mean to, yell no need to adjust your volume. That was just me getting…

Julia: Squeaky chair.

Laura: Well, Wayfair, if you would just send me assembled furniture we wouldn’t have this problem.

Laura: I guess I’ll could do more shopping at Home Goods. Their furniture is assembled. 

Julia: It’s assembled, but nevermind. Oh man. 

Laura: Oh my gourd. I just got a Fall sign that says, oh my gourd. I love fall. Um, so I think I’m just gonna start saying which totally fits my persona, obviously, since I love Hallmark movies. Right.

Laura: You’re welcome America and whatever country you’re currently residing in.

Julia: Basic ass bitch over here. 

Laura: You know what, and it being that is wrong. I don’t want to be right. I drive a Volvo. Do you know what Starbucks do you like? Pumpkin spice latte. I like pumpkin cold brew, which we’ll be back August 24th. I’m not counting.

Julia: I feel like that’s like, uh, Like, uh, uh, like you’re kind of a basic bitch, but then like adjacent, because you’re not full into the lattes, but you like the cold brew.

Laura: I do like lattes. Um, I also just got a shirt, courtesy of new norm tees. Thank you very much. That says pumpkin spice and fundamental rights. Yeah, baby. 

Julia: I mean, yes. Fundamental rights, but really? 

Laura: Yeah. I feel like it’s a very representative of things I expect to see this fall season in Texas. I’m talking to you. Yeah. 

Julia: That got dark or not dark. And I got deep.

Laura: August 24th. I don’t know when this will air, but.

Julia: After that. 

Laura: Okay. So immediately go to Starbucks and get your pumpkin.

Julia: On August 24th. I’m going to, I’m going to clip this part out and post it. 

Laura: You’re welcome. And maybe it’ll even be a double star day. I love. That’s why? Because Starbucks doesn’t have the best coffee. I will say that. I think a lot of us can agree to that. Um, but they get me with the dashes and the competitions and that just kind of like

Julia: The dashes?

Laura: Yeah. You have like a star dash. So you have like get three lattes and this timeframe, you get 75 stars or like, and by the way, if I buy three lattes, it’s way more than what 75 stars would buy me when I get it. It’s that. Need to accomplish it. 

Julia: Scarcity mindset. It’s not a mindset, but they use a scarcity marketing tactic. 

Laura: Or they are speaking to the goal oriented folks because it’s like, I need to get these three stars and then I’ve achieved this goal.

Julia: Are you saying I’m not goal oriented? 

Laura: I’m just saying maybe you’re not competitively goal oriented. 

Julia: In the right. Framework. I can be very competitive. 

Laura: We’ll see if this is the framework where give me, give me, 

Julia: Give me stars or give me death. 

Laura: To earn something or the perception of something. And I’m in like almost to a detriment. The amount of money I spend to get 150 stars is probably 150 stars. I have like 900 right now. 

Julia: Oh, okay. Pin a rose on your nose. 

Laura: Well, then they start to expire. So then I have, I had to go get a free drink the other day, so I didn’t lose it any stars. 

Julia: Oh, heaven forbid you miss a free drink. 

Laura: I mean, I had to leave the house.

Julia: Listen friends. We appreciate you. If you think that we’re putting on a show, we’re not, this is literally how we are. All the time. 

Laura: Talk to anyone who knows me. 

Julia: Talk to anyone who knows us. 

Laura: Yeah. 

Julia: Rude. 

Laura: No, I just meant, you know, my. 

Julia: Oh, your personality. 

Laura: Yeah. I just mean like us, like the way I’m not agoraphobic 

Julia: but your sister might be, 

Laura: But you made it here you be here?

Julia: Yeah, I didn’t have to see anybody. 

Laura: All right. Love you. 

Julia: Anyway, as always, you can find us between episodes on Instagram at pop culture makes me jealous unless you’re my sister who hates the social media. Thanks for tuning in y’all. We’ll catch you next time.

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